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[Soundsystem]

Gamer Genocider wrote...

Would you guys rather have a happy ending or Mass Effect 4 with new evolved species?

A happy ending.

I can say that I won't be purchasing ME4 unless the endings are fixed. And even then, well, my faith in Bioware is pretty damned shaken at this point..

[MaynPayn]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...

bpzrn wrote...

*snip*

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It doesn't ask "how bad", it asks if you liked it or not.
There is also another older very popular poll that asks people whether or not they were disappointed with Mass Effect 2, and 81% voted not disappointed. Remember, there was a decent bit of controversy over ME2. That's why this isn't the same as BF3 vs MW3. This forum is generally populated with people who loved Mass Effect, and if you read the threads here the VAST majority of people absolutely loved ME3 up until the end. The poll does have meaning. I think it's clear that we hold the majority.

For the record, I'd think that even without any statistics to back it up, because I find it really difficult to imagine how people could find any solace in the endings. Unless you only had one Shepard, and you decided to play a self-sacrificing hero who goes out in a mediocre pseudo-victory, then I can't see how anyone could actually think the ending was satisfactory.

My post was about how people generaly think everyone agrees with them beacause they seek out others who think like they do.
Also people generaly seek out forums when they have something to complain about.

Tbh I don't get how people can say a few minutes ruined hours of experiences. 

[Mhgasa]

MaynPayn wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...

bpzrn wrote...

*snip*

*snip*

It doesn't ask "how bad", it asks if you liked it or not.
There is also another older very popular poll that asks people whether or not they were disappointed with Mass Effect 2, and 81% voted not disappointed. Remember, there was a decent bit of controversy over ME2. That's why this isn't the same as BF3 vs MW3. This forum is generally populated with people who loved Mass Effect, and if you read the threads here the VAST majority of people absolutely loved ME3 up until the end. The poll does have meaning. I think it's clear that we hold the majority.

For the record, I'd think that even without any statistics to back it up, because I find it really difficult to imagine how people could find any solace in the endings. Unless you only had one Shepard, and you decided to play a self-sacrificing hero who goes out in a mediocre pseudo-victory, then I can't see how anyone could actually think the ending was satisfactory.

My post was about how people generaly think everyone agrees with them beacause they seek out others who think like they do.
Also people generaly seek out forums when they have something to complain about.

Tbh I don't get how people can say a few minutes ruined hours of experiences. 

Because these few minutes are the culimation of a trilogy spanning 5 years

[Nyila]

Soundsystem wrote...

Gamer Genocider wrote...

Would you guys rather have a happy ending or Mass Effect 4 with new evolved species?

A happy ending.

I can say that I won't be purchasing ME4 unless the endings are fixed. And even then, well, my faith in Bioware is pretty damned shaken at this point..

Same here, I refuse to buy another EA game until this is fixed. And I'm truly starting to doubt I'll be happy with future Bioware games. I didn't make a fuss over DA2, but for ME3, that was too much..

[Eirileth]

MaynPayn wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...

bpzrn wrote...

*snip*

*snip*

It doesn't ask "how bad", it asks if you liked it or not.
There is also another older very popular poll that asks people whether or not they were disappointed with Mass Effect 2, and 81% voted not disappointed. Remember, there was a decent bit of controversy over ME2. That's why this isn't the same as BF3 vs MW3. This forum is generally populated with people who loved Mass Effect, and if you read the threads here the VAST majority of people absolutely loved ME3 up until the end. The poll does have meaning. I think it's clear that we hold the majority.

For the record, I'd think that even without any statistics to back it up, because I find it really difficult to imagine how people could find any solace in the endings. Unless you only had one Shepard, and you decided to play a self-sacrificing hero who goes out in a mediocre pseudo-victory, then I can't see how anyone could actually think the ending was satisfactory.

My post was about how people generaly think everyone agrees with them beacause they seek out others who think like they do.
Also people generaly seek out forums when they have something to complain about.

Tbh I don't get how people can say a few minutes ruined hours of experiences. 

Because those few minutes DID ruin hours of experience. The endings made everything we've done in the first two games, as well as most of the third game, completely freaking meaningless. And saying that people only go to forums to complain is a crock. I use forums all the time, just for conversation. Or to RP. Or, hell, even to praise things I thought were done well. But this does not deserve praise. The endings were awful and left me feeling empty and depressed. The game was amazing up until the last five minutes when I was given the worst endings I've ever seen in this kind of game.

[Aiden_Cora]

MaynPayn wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...

bpzrn wrote...

*snip*

*snip*

It doesn't ask "how bad", it asks if you liked it or not.
There is also another older very popular poll that asks people whether or not they were disappointed with Mass Effect 2, and 81% voted not disappointed. Remember, there was a decent bit of controversy over ME2. That's why this isn't the same as BF3 vs MW3. This forum is generally populated with people who loved Mass Effect, and if you read the threads here the VAST majority of people absolutely loved ME3 up until the end. The poll does have meaning. I think it's clear that we hold the majority.

For the record, I'd think that even without any statistics to back it up, because I find it really difficult to imagine how people could find any solace in the endings. Unless you only had one Shepard, and you decided to play a self-sacrificing hero who goes out in a mediocre pseudo-victory, then I can't see how anyone could actually think the ending was satisfactory.

My post was about how people generaly think everyone agrees with them beacause they seek out others who think like they do.
Also people generaly seek out forums when they have something to complain about.

Tbh I don't get how people can say a few minutes ruined hours of experiences. 

The same way that losing your wallet and documents or falling down and hurting yourself can ruin your day

[detroitmechworks]

Well, this is a trend I've noticed with part 3s when EA buys the company...
First sequel, without EA's "Creative" input: Awesome.
Second sequel... mayday... mayday... we are going down in flames...

For Evidence: Katy Perry in Sims 3... Do I really have to go on?

[Aramina]

Nyila wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

Gamer Genocider wrote...

Would you guys rather have a happy ending or Mass Effect 4 with new evolved species?

A happy ending.

I can say that I won't be purchasing ME4 unless the endings are fixed. And even then, well, my faith in Bioware is pretty damned shaken at this point..

Same here, I refuse to buy another EA game until this is fixed. And I'm truly starting to doubt I'll be happy with future Bioware games. I didn't make a fuss over DA2, but for ME3, that was too much..

Same here, I was one of the few people that was pretty happy with DA2. Only big issue I had was with the recycled dungeon maps. I was planning on getting every single DLC for ME3 I could. Now...what's the point when everything I did has no bearing on the end?

[Kloborgg711]

MaynPayn wrote...


My post was about how people generaly think everyone agrees with them beacause they seek out others who think like they do.
Also people generaly seek out forums when they have something to complain about.

Tbh I don't get how people can say a few minutes ruined hours of experiences. 

So people came to vote on the Mass Effect 2 poll because they wanted to complain about how satisfied they were with the ending?
I can easily tell you how a few minutes ruined hours of experiences. It makes it all meaningless. If I start up ME1 and begin talking to Nihlus, I know I'm starting a long journey that will, regardless of what I do, lead me to oblivion. I spend hours creating the perfect character, only to have it flushed down the toilet every playthrough. Previously, I felt as though I were creating a new Shepard, and so a new story. This melts all of that.
That aside, it plays with my emotions. Since 2007 I couldn't wait for Shepard to end up with Liara. Now that's never going to happen. It's hard to just get over a 5 year expectation being thrown out of the window.
And really, I don't care if you "don't get" how people can say that, thousands already have shared the exact same experience. We play the game for 25+ hours, loving every minute of it, and then feel sick. You're right, it is surprising how Bioware managed that, but they did.

[Mikko182]

First time I'm writing here I think, but after playing me 3 I had to do this.

Game was amazing, but I really hated ending. Please Bioware, give us better ending. If there's not gonna be any other ending, I propably won't play me games anymore. Last 10 minutes or so ruined whole series for me, I'm just so disappointed now.

[OverwatchGMX]

I'm sadly going to echo the feelings on the ending. I won't be buying any more CE editions from EA or Bioware -- To the PirateBay!!!

*Cough* Ooops.

[christrek1982]

Nyila wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

Gamer Genocider wrote...

Would you guys rather have a happy ending or Mass Effect 4 with new evolved species?

A happy ending.

I can say that I won't be purchasing ME4 unless the endings are fixed. And even then, well, my faith in Bioware is pretty damned shaken at this point..

Same here, I refuse to buy another EA game until this is fixed. And I'm truly starting to doubt I'll be happy with future Bioware games. I didn't make a fuss over DA2, but for ME3, that was too much..

you know I was a big fan of BW I know that they gave good deep game this one along with all the ME game was one of the deepest but now after the end it just feels hollow.

I defended them over the DA2 game but this is to nuch how can they get it so wrong have they lost tuoch with the fans this much?

Modifié par christrek1982, 11 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[Diazizit1500]

/sign

BW I just want closure and variety, I dont want/need a fairytale ending for Shep. Finished the game last night and its insane to me that essentially whatever you do you get the same epilogues. No matter what you do even decide for the final choice, Normandy is stranded on a deserted world and you get the same epilogue from Buzz.

I want to see how my choices from the games (including the final choice) play out and impact the galaxy, I'm assuming the galaxy looks differently in the control/synthesis/destruction scenarios but based on what I can see everything ends up essentially the same no matter what I choose.

In addition, what happens to all the characters/cultures I've grown to care about and love throughout the games? What ends up happening to them? We essentially get to the end of an epic trilogy with tons of branching choices and are given no indication of how things turn out after a massive change in the galaxy (the destruction of the relays).

I dont need happy/fairytale, just want some closure

[snekadid]

MaynPayn wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...

bpzrn wrote...

*snip*

*snip*

It doesn't ask "how bad", it asks if you liked it or not.
There is also another older very popular poll that asks people whether or not they were disappointed with Mass Effect 2, and 81% voted not disappointed. Remember, there was a decent bit of controversy over ME2. That's why this isn't the same as BF3 vs MW3. This forum is generally populated with people who loved Mass Effect, and if you read the threads here the VAST majority of people absolutely loved ME3 up until the end. The poll does have meaning. I think it's clear that we hold the majority.

For the record, I'd think that even without any statistics to back it up, because I find it really difficult to imagine how people could find any solace in the endings. Unless you only had one Shepard, and you decided to play a self-sacrificing hero who goes out in a mediocre pseudo-victory, then I can't see how anyone could actually think the ending was satisfactory.

My post was about how people generaly think everyone agrees with them beacause they seek out others who think like they do.
Also people generaly seek out forums when they have something to complain about.

Tbh I don't get how people can say a few minutes ruined hours of experiences. 

Lets say you spent 5 years building a skyscrapper, the most perfect skyscraper ever. while building it you got attatched to your employees, became friends, had parties. then, when its all done and your turning on the power, the whole thing blows up killing your employees and burning the work of 5 years to the ground. I dont know about you but i think by that point id rather not have even started building it.

[Aztlanna]

Yep, I agree. I always buy multiple copies, deluxe or collector editions. My husband, son, and I all are gamers. But going forward, that ends here, unless the issue is addressed appropriately. Which is too bad, as I've been on board since BG1. But for me, the ride has come to a full stop. I don't have as much time as I used to for video games, and I'll reserve my time and money for companies that listen. Like, say, Bethesda. FO3 had a screwy ending that made little logical sense. They listened. They offered Broken Steel. And I kinda loved Fallout New Vegas. If Bethesda could just step up the story / RPG / relationship / friendship elements a little bit, I would have a new favorite games producer.

But that makes me sad, as I've been behind Bioware so long. Alas, all good things come to an end.

(Except Mass Effect, apparently.)

[karambiatos]

OverwatchGMX wrote...

I'm sadly going to echo the feelings on the ending. I won't be buying any more CE editions from EA or Bioware -- To the PirateBay!!!

*Cough* Ooops.

yep 1st they pull BS then they complain about rising piracy and used games sales

[detroitmechworks]

Aztlanna wrote...

Yep, I agree. I always buy multiple copies, deluxe or collector editions. My husband, son, and I all are gamers. But going forward, that ends here, unless the issue is addressed appropriately. Which is too bad, as I've been on board since BG1. But for me, the ride has come to a full stop. I don't have as much time as I used to for video games, and I'll reserve my time and money for companies that listen. Like, say, Bethesda. FO3 had a screwy ending that made little logical sense. They listened. They offered Broken Steel. And I kinda loved Fallout New Vegas. If Bethesda could just step up the story / RPG / relationship / friendship elements a little bit, I would have a new favorite games producer.

But that makes me sad, as I've been behind Bioware so long. Alas, all good things come to an end.

(Except Mass Effect, apparently.)

Just wanted to point out that New Vegas was Obsidian, not Bethesda. 
And the entire reason that game was any good was because... hey, they WROTE Fallout 1&2... kinda helps to have the original people on scriptwriting.  I mean it's a good thing BW did that...  ooops...

[Turbo_J]

I posted a while back. Look for it. The 'ending', as it is only one is not any one Shep's ending. It's the jump off point to the ending.

I don't like these presented choices either, but you need to really pay attention to some things along the journey.

Go back and review the dreams - from the 2nd one on. I know you hate the kid. So do I... that's not the point. Is it out of place? Ask yourself why! Why this kid? "Why won't the voices stop talking, they never shut up, please... I have to do what is says." (ref from ME2). Listen! Not for something specific... just hear the voices.

Doc Chakwas: "Lets check that tech inside you..."

After almost getting hit with the Reaper beam... yes almost hit. Lots of rock and road rubble... suddenly you are getting up and there is none... but if you live after your 'choice' you are buried in rubble... on earth. Not a charred, frozen, smashed chunk of meat one would be from re-entry...

Infinite ammo.
No biotics
No helmet in space (area Shep was raised above the crucible dais)
Can't kill keepers.
Can't kill Anderson. I shot him when I went onto the crucible deck the fist time.
So I shot him again. 10 times. Nothing...

So I waited. Hating the ending already. I could see where it was heading, but I listened.
TIM showed up...

I let myself shoot Anderson.
I shot TIM
I told the kid/Harbi (listen to it's background voice!) to GTFO and killed Synthetics.

I woke up on Earth.

I was never on the crucible. Not after that explosion and falling back to earth. It never happened.

Shep has always been more resistant to Reaper tech indoctrination. But he/she is not impervious like we all would like to believe. How often has Shep been exposed to it? He/She has the crap inside their bodies (mostly inert.) but now the Reapers are local... when on earth, they are in Shep's face. And Shep, with all that Reaper tech throughout his/her body, is now a super indoctrination antenna.

This is not the end, but only the beginning of the ending. Go back and play it - even just the end. Pay attention. Do only what you set out to do! Kill the Reapers.

Control: You told TIM - what if you fail! We are all dead.
Merge: What is a Reaper? Synthetic/Organic hybrid.
Destroy: A test of your own selfish pride in your accomplishments. You are here for the preservation of all organic life; Not Edi or the Geth, to destroy Reapers...

[Aramina]

Aztlanna wrote...

Yep, I agree. I always buy multiple copies, deluxe or collector editions. My husband, son, and I all are gamers. But going forward, that ends here, unless the issue is addressed appropriately. Which is too bad, as I've been on board since BG1. But for me, the ride has come to a full stop. I don't have as much time as I used to for video games, and I'll reserve my time and money for companies that listen. Like, say, Bethesda. FO3 had a screwy ending that made little logical sense. They listened. They offered Broken Steel. And I kinda loved Fallout New Vegas. If Bethesda could just step up the story / RPG / relationship / friendship elements a little bit, I would have a new favorite games producer.

But that makes me sad, as I've been behind Bioware so long. Alas, all good things come to an end.

(Except Mass Effect, apparently.)

I even put Skyrim on hold to play the demo for this game. Now I wish I'd just stuck with my awesome serial-killer Dovahkiin. At least Bethesda admitted their mistake with the PS3 fiasco and fixed it.

[Dolfworks]

Okay, I forced myself to complete the "Plus" game to see what the other ending option was. I just got done and NOTHING. I don't play multiplayer and never will, I don't want to have to change my Shepard story just to conform to Bioware's decisons on your War Assets. I have 3531 in War Assets on the 2nd playthrough, I didn't get an achievment a special option ending. Does anyone know what is up with the endings on the 2nd play through. Thanks.

Has Bioware - Casey Hudson in particular - made any comments anywhere on the fan outrage over endings? I had a lot of respect for Mr. Hudson based on his interviews and comments regarding the planning of ME3. I trusted him to make it right. I am not talking about having Shepard live, my main thing is the destruction of the Mass Relays which in turn destroys how many systems and the fact all of your allies are stranded on Earth. I can't believe no one at Bioware saw these endings as good. Why would anyone replay the game(s), why would anyone bye a DLC for ME3? If they think they are going to sell us ending DLC's then they are truly indoctrinated and beyond help.

Anyone who has answers would be appreciated. Thanks.

[snekadid]

People keep saying FO3 had a bad ending, I think the FO3 ending was great, its the perfect example of heroic sacrifice for the good of the world, i think bringing the character back just for DLC cheapened that experience. but again thats the complete opposite of this ending where theres no rhyme or reason behind it and it doesn't feel like anything at all. Im pretty sure ive put more effort into the ending of 7 page essays that i wrote from start to finish 3 hours before class starts.

Modifié par snekadid, 11 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[MaynPayn]

Eirileth wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...

My post was about how people generaly think everyone agrees with them beacause they seek out others who think like they do.
Also people generaly seek out forums when they have something to complain about.

Tbh I don't get how people can say a few minutes ruined hours of experiences. 

Because those few minutes DID ruin hours of experience. The endings made everything we've done in the first two games, as well as most of the third game, completely freaking meaningless. And saying that people only go to forums to complain is a crock. I use forums all the time, just for conversation. Or to RP. Or, hell, even to praise things I thought were done well. But this does not deserve praise. The endings were awful and left me feeling empty and depressed. The game was amazing up until the last five minutes when I was given the worst endings I've ever seen in this kind of game.

And playing the games was just punishment to get to the end? 
oops forgot a L in generally  which would mean I didn't mean people "ONLY" go to forums to complain, but alot of people do.

Personally  I think we as gamers are spoiled with happy fairytale endings which makes everything end alright and in Biowares defense they did say they were going to end the triology.

[Aztlanna]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Just wanted to point out that New Vegas was Obsidian, not Bethesda. 

I haven't always been a fan of Obsidian; they have a history of screwing up endings, too. But they did a good job with FONV.

[Sterenn]

Turbo_J wrote...

Destroy: A test of your own selfish pride in your accomplishments. You are here for the preservation of all organic life; Not Edi or the Geth, to destroy Reapers...

Depend on how you play ME. A full paragon here to protect your allies, the galaxy as it is, and everything the Reapers want to destroy or control. So EDI and the Geth too.