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[mscotch]

 I didn't read all 700+ pages of this thread but just wanted to say I loved this series and enjoyed it thoroughly until the last 10 minutes. 

I don't like how the mass relays are destroyed no matter what you do, basically isolating everyone from each other. 

I don't like how he states that AI will always eventually destroy organic life, especially since you can broker peace with the Geth and Quarians and develop a friendship with EDI. This seems to indicate that peace between AI and organic life is possible. Also, how does this "Catalyst" guy know that to be a certainty since he's been wiping out advanced organic civilations every 5000 years for who knows how long. Seems he's rigged the game. 

Out of the three endings, I found the synthesis solution was the coolest. If the Catalyst is right, this will end the threat of AI eventually destroying organic life. I think if there was a way to save the mass relays, I'd be happiest with this ending. 

Anyways, the fact that I care so much about the ending shows how much I enjoyed the series. I would definitely support alternate endings as a patch or dlc. 

[Rosery99]

MaynPayn wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...
Personally  I think we as gamers are spoiled with happy fairytale endings which makes everything end alright and in Biowares defense they did say they were going to end the triology.

1. Yeah, we're also spoiled with good storytelling and interesting characters, they should remove those too.
2. In Bioware's defense? You think people here are pissed because the trilogy is over? No! What part of "we're going to end trilogy" means "we're going to give a morbidly depressing half-victory that explains nothing and leaves most people completely unsatisfied"?

1. Removing =/= less spoiled (in this context)
2. Should have made myself more clear it was a joke on how they pretty much ended the triology in a big bang with very little room continuation.

S/He did save the galaxy for cycles to come.

At what point was I playing for future cycles? My Shepard was fighting to save the people she loved, the people she had fought for and the races of HER Cycle, not for races 2 billion years down the road. I was fighting for that too and hoping to save the people I had grown to care about it. The endings were like a swift kick to the chops, immediatly agonizing with a linger stabbing pain for days. 

[Kloborgg711]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't get these "screw happy endings" people. Like only immature kids want happy endings? Lord of the Rings was totally great until it's sucky happy ending with people getting married, rebuilding, moving on with their lives, right? Yeah screw all that.

Lord of the Rings according to ME3:

Frodo arrives on Mount Doom. He's about to cast the Ring into the fire when OMG MORGOTH shows up. Turns out he commanded Sauron to craft the Rings of Power because elves were too powerful and would have destroyed the other races otherwise. Morgoth tells Frodo he has three choices: He can become the NEW MASTER OF THE ONE RING and lose his personhood to control all the forces of darkness into not destroying mankind. He can disseminate the one ring's power into all races, making them all part elf! (somehow) or he can destroy the one ring, but the elves all die, his friends and allies all scattered to the far corners of Midgard. Oh, and in all choices gaping chasms open up between all major cities, preventing any sort of feasible travel.

Man, so much deeper than the ending we got.

Okay, too much sarcasm in this post, but I think the general scope of the comparison fits. Both series were supposed to be about hope. about unbending free will, about one person making all the difference.

Frodo also dies instantly in the first two options, but in the third his lifeless corpse is seen stirring in the middle of an active volcano, giving everyone hope.
Not to mention right after making his choice, Frodo turns around to see Sam high-tailing it out of Mordor joining up with Aragorn, Gandalf, Gimli, and Legolas as they ride off to abandon the forces of Gondor.

[Adamius]

I just need to say that I died a little bit inside when I understood the width of the truth! I WANT A HAPPY ENDING!!!!

Still and excuse the language a F*****G greate game!

[redcarpet26]

Yes, more lord of the rings ending, less bad amalgam of Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, and Deus Ex with a heaping dollop of extra depression.

[Eirileth]

Rosery99 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...
Personally  I think we as gamers are spoiled with happy fairytale endings which makes everything end alright and in Biowares defense they did say they were going to end the triology.

1. Yeah, we're also spoiled with good storytelling and interesting characters, they should remove those too.
2. In Bioware's defense? You think people here are pissed because the trilogy is over? No! What part of "we're going to end trilogy" means "we're going to give a morbidly depressing half-victory that explains nothing and leaves most people completely unsatisfied"?

1. Removing =/= less spoiled (in this context)
2. Should have made myself more clear it was a joke on how they pretty much ended the triology in a big bang with very little room continuation.

S/He did save the galaxy for cycles to come.

At what point was I playing for future cycles? My Shepard was fighting to save the people she loved, the people she had fought for and the races of HER Cycle, not for races 2 billion years down the road. I was fighting for that too and hoping to save the people I had grown to care about it. The endings were like a swift kick to the chops, immediatly agonizing with a linger stabbing pain for days. 

This. One thousand times this.

[MrPuschel]

Trojan_33 wrote...

I thought y'all might get a kick out of this...it's the ending seen through an anime fan lens:



SHEPHERD STRIKE!!!

Qouting again because of win.

[TamiBx]

 

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't get these "screw happy endings" people. Like only immature kids want happy endings? Lord of the Rings was totally great until it's sucky happy ending with people getting married, rebuilding, moving on with their lives, right? Yeah screw all that.

Exactly. If I want my Shepard to have a "less horrible" ending, I can. She deserves it. I mean, come on, how many hrs have we put into this game? How many times did we replay it to get the most perfect ending? How about the suicide mission in ME2? Was the "everyone dies" ending the best ending because it was dark and horrible? The problem with this ending is that we do not have the choice to change anything. We have to accept one final ending and deal with it. If you want your Shep to sacrifice her/himself for the galaxy, great. Because I sure don't. I want my Shep to have the option to go back to her LI and have a peaceful life. Why is wishing for a good, happy ending bad? 

[Kloborgg711]

mscotch wrote...


Out of the three endings, I found the synthesis solution was the coolest. If the Catalyst is right, this will end the threat of AI eventually destroying organic life. I think if there was a way to save the mass relays, I'd be happiest with this ending. 

I don't mean to fuss, but doesn't it bother you that the synthesis solution involves a single pulse of "energy" installing complex hardware into every single living thing in the galaxy instantaneously?

[QwibQwib]

mscotch wrote...


Out of the three endings, I found the synthesis solution was the coolest. If the Catalyst is right, this will end the threat of AI eventually destroying organic life. I think if there was a way to save the mass relays, I'd be happiest with this ending. 

That's basically agreeing with Organic DNA is nothing without synthetics. 

Modifié par QwibQwib, 11 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[christrek1982]

infinitekilan wrote...

Look, I get that some of you don't understand our outrage. "It's just a game" or "you're overreacting" or "it's Bioware's story, they can tell it how they want" are starting to pop up more and more frequently. And if you don't understand, that's fine. The fact still remains that WE understand our feelings on the matter. We have every right to express those feelings of dissatisfaction, betrayal, anger, depression, what have you.

If this were, instead, a massive thread praising an ending that left everyone feeling euphoric and incredibly happy, would you be saying the same things you are now? Or are you just chiming in because we're upset about the way things currently are?

Call it what you will. Call us whiny fanboys. Make completely irrelevant comparisons to other series' that don't have anywhere near the emotional depth, involvement, and dedication that the Mass Effect trilogy has. Mass Effect has become a lifestyle in and of itself, just like Star Wars or Star Trek. To ruin it with endings such as these, where they share more similarities than differences, and leave no questions answered and gaping holes in the plot and continuity, is inexcusable.

If you don't like our crusade to have the series end the way it deserves, that's fine. Don't like it. We aren't trying to force you to like it. But stop trying to force us to shut up. We aren't going to.

hora +1 mate

[PhoenixDove1]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

Not that we should have to, but completely agree.  Would definitely be willing to pay for it.

[Aramina]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

mscotch wrote...


Out of the three endings, I found the synthesis solution was the coolest. If the Catalyst is right, this will end the threat of AI eventually destroying organic life. I think if there was a way to save the mass relays, I'd be happiest with this ending. 

I don't mean to fuss, but doesn't it bother you that the synthesis solution involves a single pulse of "energy" installing complex hardware into every single living thing in the galaxy instantaneously?

But the pulse was green! GREEN! That makes all the difference! /sarcasm

[bpzrn]

Wow

Almost 20,000 customers expressing disastifaction (well 97% of us)


http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Modifié par bpzrn, 11 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[Rosery99]

The endings could be vastly imrpoved with little work, the other forum thread has a variety of ideas if Bioware doesn't already have something in store and if they do have something in store, then the least they could do is tell us that they have something, anything waiting for us. That would silence the outcry here in a heartbeat and would shift the conversation to what we think is coming but on the same hand, if Bioware has any of the old company in them, they will make a minium of three alternate endings: One for each of the different wants here ranging from Sacrifical with closure, Happily Ever After and OH **** BOY YOU DUN GOOFED BOOM. So yea.

[Kloborgg711]

fibchopkin wrote...

We struggled and struggled and struggled, and when we won, we still lost.  Again, that is a theme I would've been fine with.  I like Noir, I like dystopia- but only if it makes sense.  Watching the end of this game was like rereading the Ender series, but with the ending ripped out and replaced w/ something by George Orwell.

This sums it up very nicely. Dystopian tragedies can be great where they belong, but you don't attach this kind of thing at the end of a 100+ hour space war fantasy, especially following the immense build-up of hope directly preceding the ending. Or at least, you don't FORCE it onto every player.

[christrek1982]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

mscotch wrote...


Out of the three endings, I found the synthesis solution was the coolest. If the Catalyst is right, this will end the threat of AI eventually destroying organic life. I think if there was a way to save the mass relays, I'd be happiest with this ending. 

I don't mean to fuss, but doesn't it bother you that the synthesis solution involves a single pulse of "energy" installing complex hardware into every single living thing in the galaxy instantaneously?

how is this ending any good it's just the borg on a massive scale

[Hjelsao]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

mscotch wrote...


Out of the three endings, I found the synthesis solution was the coolest. If the Catalyst is right, this will end the threat of AI eventually destroying organic life. I think if there was a way to save the mass relays, I'd be happiest with this ending. 

I don't mean to fuss, but doesn't it bother you that the synthesis solution involves a single pulse of "energy" installing complex hardware into every single living thing in the galaxy instantaneously?

Because Space Magic....

[Aramina]

Personally I thought that out of the 3 endings, the only one that had any hope of a good ending was the Synthesis one. I mean, what happens to all the Turians and Quarians stranded in the Sol System? They get to slowly starve to death. (I highly doubt the Quarians brought their liveships with them...most likely those are all still at Rannoch.)

Destroy went against everything my Shep stood for...we win, but at what cost? She had, despite the odds, made peace with the Geth and Quarians, proving the GodKid wrong. As for Control, again that goes against everything she stood for. The ultimate power the Reapers represent is too much for anyone to control, because just like indoctrination, it corrupts anything it touches, no matter how noble they think their ideals are. And again, in both these choices, the poor dextros starve to death.

[Garathe]

infinitekilan wrote...

Look, I get that some of you don't understand our outrage. "It's just a game" or "you're overreacting" or "it's Bioware's story, they can tell it how they want" are starting to pop up more and more frequently. And if you don't understand, that's fine. The fact still remains that WE understand our feelings on the matter. We have every right to express those feelings of dissatisfaction, betrayal, anger, depression, what have you.

If this were, instead, a massive thread praising an ending that left everyone feeling euphoric and incredibly happy, would you be saying the same things you are now? Or are you just chiming in because we're upset about the way things currently are?

Call it what you will. Call us whiny fanboys. Make completely irrelevant comparisons to other series' that don't have anywhere near the emotional depth, involvement, and dedication that the Mass Effect trilogy has. Mass Effect has become a lifestyle in and of itself, just like Star Wars or Star Trek. To ruin it with endings such as these, where they share more similarities than differences, and leave no questions answered and gaping holes in the plot and continuity, is inexcusable.

If you don't like our crusade to have the series end the way it deserves, that's fine. Don't like it. We aren't trying to force you to like it. But stop trying to force us to shut up. We aren't going to.

Completely agree.  You have your opinions and express them when you want to.  Now let us have ours.

I want a better ending.  I don't want Shepard's journey to end with no choices that stay true to Shepard.

Modifié par Garathe, 11 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[Copperbolt]

Heh I fall asleep and this goes from 692 to 741, and it is still by no means done, oh and Europe we'll make sure you have plenty of room when you get here, to a thousand pages of protest!

[J5550123]

I hope they have a good response for us, saying we will have good endings.

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

This was to be my last Bioware game.
...They are dying.

[sekkis]

Just finished the game last night, and it still feels like someone punched me in the gut. It literally hurts.