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[Aurellia]

MordiMoro wrote...

The end for me:

Mass Effect 3 has sold 3.5 million copies
20000 fans complain about the final
We had said that the ending would have disappointed some players
3.5 million - to 20000 = 3.480000000 liked, remains so, sorry

This is so beyond silly that it almost has to be a troll.

You assume that the only reason that the remaining 3.45M purchasers did note vote in the poll is because they liked the ending.  Of course things like the choice to participate in forums or whatnot do not matter...

One could argue that a poll here is not reprsentative of the overall userbase because we are likely hard core fans.  But you aren't making that argument.

[christrek1982]

Monica_de_Ladur wrote...

And I thought after the ending of Dragon Age 2 it couldn't get worse...

hell i would go so far as to say DA2's ending is way better

[BobbyTheI]

I'm just going to post this here for posterity, because I know this is exactly what's going to happen, and I want it on record.

When BioWare finally does issue a statement about all this, the only thing they will address is that it's not a happy ending. They will go on and on about "It's war, and people die," and "A story like this wasn't going to have a happy ending," and paint everybody complaining about this as just whiners who wanted their Shepard and favorite bed partner to get together and be happy at the end.

They will ignore the bad plot holes, the tortured logic, the hideous writing, and just address it on a level of "Well, you didn't like the ending because it wasn't the one you hoped for, but there was no way we could please everybody, so sorry."

Mark my words, it's what's coming.

[Esker02]

MordiMoro wrote...

The end for me:

Mass Effect 3 has sold 3.5 million copies
20000 fans complain about the final
We had said that the ending would have disappointed some players
3.5 million - to 20000 = 3.480000000 liked, remains so, sorry

The proper calculation is determining what percentage of ME3 owners visit BSN. From that, what percentage of those BSN users are disappointed in the ending. Then extrapolate that percentage onto the broader population of ME3 owners, accounting for any sampling bias you fear might exist in regards to BSN users versus ME3 owners. For instance, some people think the poll numbers are so lopsided and you hear so much hate because those who are angry would be more likely to get on BSN and complain, rather than somebody who liked it who, I guess, would be preoccupied replaying it right now.

Even if there is some truth to that, the hate/love ratio for the ending is so significant, that bias alone doesn't do anything meaningful to the overall conclusion that most people were severely let down by the ending. The only question, in my mind, is if we're really talking something like 90% or if it's closer to 75-80%. Regardless, I think it demands a response. My hope is that people in a far better position to make that kind of call do as well.

Modifié par Esker02, 11 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[sjam]

Literally just finished the game, and I'm completely devastated at how awful the ending is. The very least I wanted was a happy ending for my Shep and her LI, Kaidan - didn't even get that. I really hope these rumours of DLC are true.

[christrek1982]

MissNet wrote...

Stephanid98 wrote...

MissNet wrote...

I have a problem. My friend has a birthday tomorrow and he asks to give him a Mass Effect 3 CE.
He does know nothing about endings. What should i do?
He played 1&2 with great love and has 22 shepards ready for launch...

That's a tough one, it really is.  As a fan of the series nothing would have stopped me from getting my hands on and playing ME3.  And if someone had warned me that if I do it would totally ruin my love and passion for the other games I would have ignored them and said that nothing, Nothing, could ever do that.  And then I finished ME3.  

While I don't want others to lose their love for ME, I also think it's unfair to try and prevent them from experiencing how wonderful most of ME3 really is.  The bigger question you probably have to ask is, Are you the one who wants to offer them this.....'gift.'?

Thanks. I think, i'll add bottle of wine and paper handkerchiefs with kitties. 

I think, i will stuck on ff.net  for sometime. To ease the grief a little.

hell at least you can bring youself to read fan fic I envy you so much right now

[I RJay I]

Rosery99 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MaynPayn wrote...
Personally  I think we as gamers are spoiled with happy fairytale endings which makes everything end alright and in Biowares defense they did say they were going to end the triology.

1. Yeah, we're also spoiled with good storytelling and interesting characters, they should remove those too.
2. In Bioware's defense? You think people here are pissed because the trilogy is over? No! What part of "we're going to end trilogy" means "we're going to give a morbidly depressing half-victory that explains nothing and leaves most people completely unsatisfied"?

1. Removing =/= less spoiled (in this context)
2. Should have made myself more clear it was a joke on how they pretty much ended the triology in a big bang with very little room continuation.

S/He did save the galaxy for cycles to come.

At what point was I playing for future cycles? My Shepard was fighting to save the people she loved, the people she had fought for and the races of HER Cycle, not for races 2 billion years down the road. I was fighting for that too and hoping to save the people I had grown to care about it. The endings were like a swift kick to the chops, immediatly agonizing with a linger stabbing pain for days. 

Personally, I would be happy with an ending if you had such low galactic readiness, etc. that the Reapers defeated you, but you got the catalyst and crucible information to the next civilisation and they defeated the reapers.  As long as there were other options, such as, everyone surviving, some people dieing, shepard surviving/dying, etc.  But there aren't, regardless of your choices throughout the game, it all ends up exactly the same.

That is what I'm annoyed about.

[DiTHmaphacks]

MordiMoro wrote...


The end for me:

Mass Effect 3 has sold 3.5 million copies
20000 fans complain about the final
We had said that the ending would have disappointed some players
3.5 million - to 20000 = 3.480000000 liked, remains so, sorry

Im gonna wait while you create a poll with what you say 3.480000000 people voting they liked the ending.To hell im gonna wait while u get even 34800 ppl saying they liked it. 

[Aramina]

BobbyTheI wrote...

I'm just going to post this here for posterity, because I know this is exactly what's going to happen, and I want it on record.

When BioWare finally does issue a statement about all this, the only thing they will address is that it's not a happy ending. They will go on and on about "It's war, and people die," and "A story like this wasn't going to have a happy ending," and paint everybody complaining about this as just whiners who wanted their Shepard and favorite bed partner to get together and be happy at the end.

They will ignore the bad plot holes, the tortured logic, the hideous writing, and just address it on a level of "Well, you didn't like the ending because it wasn't the one you hoped for, but there was no way we could please everybody, so sorry."

Mark my words, it's what's coming.

Of course they will, completely ignoring the fact that no, it's not a war. It's a game about a war, and people don't play games like Mass Effect for realism. They play them for a good time and a good story.

[Sarz91]

If we can keep this up until Paddies weekend we'll get something. Ill try my best to post three to four time daily.

[xistfirat]

still can't believe this.. the game was AMAZING, it was everything that I was expecting, all previous squad members were seen, all relationships were concluded, dying of squadmembers was just the right amount, not too much, not too less. it was epic, it definately gave the reaper invasion feeling. it was perfect. then the ending came.

still can't believe how bioware ruined all three games in just 10 minutes.

i understand what they tried to do. they wanted to explain what reapers were and give a one last big choice for us to do. but why like this ? rather than not explaining who or what that kid is, it could've been the VI of the race which created the reapers. than he could give that "synthetics will destroy you so we built reapers" speech, then we could have two choices, control the reapers (while still alive though, dying and controlling the reapers is just.. weird) or destroy them. one of them renegade, the other paragon. the synthesis ending was just stupid anyways.

right now it's just... it's just cheap.

[MordiMoro]

Aurellia wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

The end for me:

Mass Effect 3 has sold 3.5 million copies
20000 fans complain about the final
We had said that the ending would have disappointed some players
3.5 million - to 20000 = 3.480000000 liked, remains so, sorry

This is so beyond silly that it almost has to be a troll.

You assume that the only reason that the remaining 3.45M purchasers did note vote in the poll is because they liked the ending.  Of course things like the choice to participate in forums or whatnot do not matter...

One could argue that a poll here is not reprsentative of the overall userbase because we are likely hard core fans.  But you aren't making that argument.

I no troll, my english is bad, i am italian... maybe I explained bad. Is my fear, a thought, a hope that is not so...

[IndelibleJester]

christrek1982 wrote...

Monica_de_Ladur wrote...

And I thought after the ending of Dragon Age 2 it couldn't get worse...

hell i would go so far as to say DA2's ending is way better

I didn't mind DA2's ending because they made it perfectly clear it was not the end of the Dragon Age story and the majority of Hawke's story was personal and purely Templar/Mage conflict that I would see resolved in the next game. Mass Effect 3 is on a completely different level. Shepard excompassed crap tons of choices, both personal and world changing, and it's the end of Shepard's story. ME3 needs closure.

[Dan Rosse]

MaynPayn wrote...

1. Removing =/= less spoiled (in this context)
2. Should have made myself more clear it was a joke on how they pretty much ended the triology in a big bang with very little room continuation.

S/He did save the galaxy for cycles to come.

Jesus Crist! If you loved an ending of the series, ok, go for it. But your opinion is just ONLY yours. Anyway, if you loved it, then you writing in wrong topic.

Or you think that your own personal opinion is more preferential? That's just rude, man…

[Annaleah]

Monica_de_Ladur wrote...

And I thought after the ending of Dragon Age 2 it couldn't get worse...

I was still able to replay Dragon Age 2 after the ending... It was dumb but it's okay (to me) to leave it on a cliffhanger when you know there's going to be more.

This was supposedly the end of Shepard's story and unlike the ending to Dragon Age 2 this literally left me feeling like an immediate family member had just died... It broke my heart.

I wasn't anywhere near as close to Hawke as I was to Shepard and Hawke still got to walk away with her LI alive and well. Shepard not only dies 15 out of supposedly 16 times but she's also separated from her LI forever if she lives... that's like... ****ing awful...

[Miraider]

Endings presented at the end of ME3 aren't endings of Shepard's story for this very reason. Differences between the endings are to big in galactic scale that it wouldn't be possible to incorporate those differences in new Mass Effect games. Unless timeline in new game would predate ME3...

[SwiftRevenant]

MordiMoro wrote...

The end for me:

Mass Effect 3 has sold 3.5 million copies
20000 fans complain about the final
We had said that the ending would have disappointed some players
3.5 million - to 20000 = 3.480000000 liked, remains so, sorry

I would like to say that it is true that people who post on the forums are often the "minority."  However, I believe that if I had such a reaction to the ending of the game and I love Mass effect, that others who may not be as vocal will too. And I'm sorry but there are way more negative reviews than there are positive from the fan base on these forums.

These aren't posts about players complaining about game balance or the direction the game took in regards to game play, new weapon mods (phenomenal), faster combat, etc. as is most whining posts that you see on SWTOR/WOW  Word of mouth is super important to any company.  Look at how Mass effect grew from its first game to how it is now.  People spread the word how wonderful the game was.  I have friends and family who are waiting to here about this game is and I know a lot of you do too.  What will I tell them?  I won't spoil it for them but I will tell them to wait for when Mass effect 3 is sold at  a discount and or wait for Bioware to fix it just play SWTOR or WoW in the meantime.  

For a company that stressed "choice," listening to their player base, and providing a "satisfactory" ending to an epic series they certainly lost their way the final 10 min of the game.   People put threats about not buying another bioware product, but the worst effect in my opinion is the word of mouth from people about this game which will effect their overall sales and peoples trust in what Bioware says it can and promises to do and whether we buy their products in the future.

Replay value is lost on ME3 for me where as ME1 & ME2 literally gave me hundreds of hours of replay value simply b/c why go through the more linear ME3 where your choice and time spent = the same, depressing, confusing ending ever?

I do play the mutliplayer but why would you have it have ANY impact on the single player experience?  Makes no sense for those people who just want to play the single player game.  

Why leave a bad taste at the END of a trilogy series???  

Sorry if  I am rambling I am just really upset, disappointed, angry, about how my Shephard ended up.  Mine deserved to have a "choice" and that hard work does/should pay off.  

Modifié par SwiftRevenant, 11 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[sadbloke]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't get these "screw happy endings" people. Like only immature kids want happy endings? Lord of the Rings was totally great until it's sucky happy ending with people getting married, rebuilding, moving on with their lives, right? Yeah screw all that.

Lord of the Rings according to ME3:

Frodo arrives on Mount Doom. He's about to cast the Ring into the fire when OMG MORGOTH shows up. Turns out he commanded Sauron to craft the Rings of Power because elves were too powerful and would have destroyed the other races otherwise. Morgoth tells Frodo he has three choices: He can become the NEW MASTER OF THE ONE RING and lose his personhood to control all the forces of darkness into not destroying mankind. He can disseminate the one ring's power into all races, making them all part elf! (somehow) or he can destroy the one ring, but the elves all die, his friends and allies all scattered to the far corners of Midgard. Oh, and in all choices gaping chasms open up between all major cities, preventing any sort of feasible travel.

Man, so much deeper than the ending we got.

Okay, too much sarcasm in this post, but I think the general scope of the comparison fits. Both series were supposed to be about hope. about unbending free will, about one person making all the difference.

Frodo also dies instantly in the first two options, but in the third his lifeless corpse is seen stirring in the middle of an active volcano, giving everyone hope.
Not to mention right after making his choice, Frodo turns around to see Sam high-tailing it out of Mordor joining up with Aragorn, Gandalf, Gimli, and Legolas as they ride off to abandon the forces of Gondor.

Almost choked out of lol'ing

[Iturba]

I just got struck by an idea:
what if BW actually holdining the 'real' ending under the table till 1'st april?! 0_o

--- sozzz for the crappy english/

[Rosery99]

I can only hope Bioware will heed us this time, they heeded us with Lair Of The Shadow Broker and there are instances of such outcry happening in the past that game companies have gone back and made DLC free or created entire dlc (See LoTsB) just to placate and return fans to happy obidience. In the end they want our money and while 20k may not seem like a lot, multiply that by 60$, minium for the game and you'll see it's still a substantial loss of profit.

Also this isnt counting people who just said "**** this" and returned there game after beating it and gave up on Bioware, which I'm sure when they go into the office tommorow morning will be a consideration. Keep fighting everyone, just keep fighting.

[Kloborgg711]

I'd like to point out something.
If you individually liked the ending, that doesn't mean you're against "us".
We simply want the option to get a happier ending, and to get closure. We're not asking them to remove it from the game (they can't really do that anyway). So it's not like
97% of people want new ending
3% of people want there to be no new ending

It's more like
97% of people want new ending
3% of people don't really care

Just puts things in a more accurate perspective, I think.

Modifié par Kloborgg711, 11 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[Rob8228]

MordiMoro wrote...

Aurellia wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

The end for me:

Mass Effect 3 has sold 3.5 million copies
20000 fans complain about the final
We had said that the ending would have disappointed some players
3.5 million - to 20000 = 3.480000000 liked, remains so, sorry

This is so beyond silly that it almost has to be a troll.

You assume that the only reason that the remaining 3.45M purchasers did note vote in the poll is because they liked the ending.  Of course things like the choice to participate in forums or whatnot do not matter...

One could argue that a poll here is not reprsentative of the overall userbase because we are likely hard core fans.  But you aren't making that argument.

I no troll, my english is bad, i am italian... maybe I explained bad. Is my fear, a thought, a hope that is not so...

Ah, so you are trying to say that you think Bioware will use that as an excuse. You personally do not believe that, I understand now.

[christrek1982]

Aramina wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

I'm just going to post this here for posterity, because I know this is exactly what's going to happen, and I want it on record.

When BioWare finally does issue a statement about all this, the only thing they will address is that it's not a happy ending. They will go on and on about "It's war, and people die," and "A story like this wasn't going to have a happy ending," and paint everybody complaining about this as just whiners who wanted their Shepard and favorite bed partner to get together and be happy at the end.

They will ignore the bad plot holes, the tortured logic, the hideous writing, and just address it on a level of "Well, you didn't like the ending because it wasn't the one you hoped for, but there was no way we could please everybody, so sorry."

Mark my words, it's what's coming.

Of course they will, completely ignoring the fact that no, it's not a war. It's a game about a war, and people don't play games like Mass Effect for realism. They play them for a good time and a good story.

so they took the choice the chance away from us why? if this is going to be there stance then what is the point of the war assets given the state the galaxy is left in regardless of the ending and the fact thet there is no chance that shepherd can live then why bother getting the war assets in the first place?

[Count Viceroy]

I'm just throwing my lot into this pile as well. Trading reapers for the effective fall of civilization, all my crew and friends stranded on some backwater. What the hell.

It's a superb game, and series, all the way through, which then sadly is ruined by that pathetic excuse for an ending. What was the point of doing any of it when you have to destroy the thing you're trying to save in order to save it.

Sure, have bad endings, have bittersweet ones as these are, but allow for a decent one as well :/

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 mars 2012 - 07:24 .