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[The Big Palooka]

In the interest of listening to myself typing:

The more I think about the ending, the worse it gets.  I finished playing Friday morning (Sunday afternoon as I write this), and by now I've decided that the ending would've been infinitely more satisfying if, when confronted with her 'choices', my Shep had flipped off the god!child and shot herself in the head.  At least then she would've died with her dignity and ideals intact, and even if the Reapers wiped out galactic life and the cycle started over, we would've come closer to winning than the cycle before us, which in turn came closer to winning than any cycle before it.  The end message would be that we're ultimately the masters of our own destiny and we'd be left with the hope that because of the galaxy's, and Shepard's personal sacrifice, the next civilization might succeed where we failed.

But no.

Ending is just bad, full stop.  I'm not even afraid to say that yeah, actually I do want the option of a stupid, unreasonable, unrealistically happy ending. I like happy endings and this is a video game with blue alien chicks and talking jellyfishes in it, so why not?  I ain't ashamed of it, I've got nothing to prove to anybody and nobody
to impress.  But if I was gonna accept an unavoidable noble sacrifice, it oughtn't be nonsense.

[mscotch]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

mscotch wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote... 

I don't mean to fuss, but doesn't it bother you that the synthesis solution involves a single pulse of "energy" installing complex hardware into every single living thing in the galaxy instantaneously?

The catalyst said something about creating a new form of DNA. I didn't really view it as the energy beam grafting hardware onto all organic life but more just altering the genetic information. I admit it does look like everyone has circuits on them but I just wrote that off as a visual cue to the ending you chose. There's quite a few things in this game that are hard to imagine like how the Rachni can communicate instantaneously without using quantum entanglement. X-rays can damage your DNA, I guess this green beam can cause it to incorporate different elements. 

Anyways, I was just saying out of the existing endings, I like that one the best because it would end the threat of AI destroying organic life. 

If new endings were introduced, I'd like to be able to convince the Catalyst that he's wrong about AI eventually destroying organic life and that AI and Organic life can co-exist peacefully as is. The fact that you can convince the geth and quarians to work together and you can become friends with EDI supports this. The Reapers could then change their programming. The mass relays would remain intact.

Then I'd like a cutscene showing the Geth, Quarians, Krogan and Rachni with new seats on the Galactic Council since they all worked together to stop the Reaper threat.

The closing scene should be Shepard doing his club dance.

Well, first of all, I'm assuming that all the non-Earth species in the Galaxy don't share "DNA" the way we do, or at least they don't have the genetic 4-letter code. And it's clear this "synthesis" affects all organic life, regardless of its origin. Also, I don't care how much you "alter" DNA, you cannot get cells to suddenly create metal alloys and circuits and wiring within a body. Not instantly, not without, at the very best, a long excrutiatingly painful process.

http://en.wikipedia....ganic_computing 

Maybe it would just introduce the capability to produce new neurons capable of performing calculations at the same level as AI. I agree that no matter what it's a stretch. 

I'd also rather just be able to say the Catalyst is wrong and that AI and organic life can co-exist peacefully. 

Modifié par mscotch, 11 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[KaZZaPisGOD]

Okay its finally been 24 hours so I can post how I feel. 
 
The Ending: 
I wont go too deep into this since it's already been covered but the main thing the end god child sequence made me feel was just confused. The choices seemingly came out of nowhere. Even after I chose synthesis I wasn't really sure exactly what I did the first time, the jungle planet didn't help either. At first I thought I made an entirely new dimension then it ended. So no real epilog just left me feeling lost. It wasn't until a good 20 min later when I let things seep in and realized how much was left unanswered did it start to really bother me. 
 
Now for what I feel is the most disappointing factor of ME3 the "Take Back Earth" factor: 
 
ME3s marketing campaign was entirely based around taking back earth, which I don't feel satisfied in doing. I was hoping the whole crucible thing was gonna just be what starts to tip the war in our favor. The entire ending seems like a step down from ME2.  
 
I was hoping for a suicide mission type deal but instead of choosing squad members you choose what entire fleets would do. I wanted objectives to come up and we would need to choose the best fleet / commander for the job. The ME series has always been based around choice yet the end sequence only has one choice. 
 
The slogan shouldn't of been "Take Earth Back" it should of been "Gather Intergalactic Allies for No Real Reason" I spent a lot of time gathering every single ally I possibly could but I don't feel like it made any difference what so ever. If the end actually had some choices of who you need to send for certain jobs it would give opportunities to see some of the lesser races in action or even see old enemies helping each other out. How nice would it be to see some Turians helping an injured Krogan or some Geth helping repair suit breaches of Quarrians. 
 
I wanted to see the impact our choices had on the battle more. Show Jack leading her biotic squad, show Samara holding the front line for others. But no we get a few video clips that only show the major races and the same 3 endings.  
 
I had a second play thru where I was intentionally doing everything as bad as possible. I wanted to see how badly I could **** things up with my "dumb, racist, man hating, lesbian, ****" Shepard. I had the majority of my squad mates die in 2 and every choice I made what I thought would be the worse decision in the long run. I wanted to see how different their endings would be. Now I don't even see the point of beating 3 with her because they'd be the exact same endings as my game where I tried as hard as I could.  
 
That's the biggest slap in the face here, the fact that we were told our choices mattered but in the end doing everything as horribly as possible will get you to the same place in the big picture as trying as hard as you can. 

[Monica_de_Ladur]

First I thought the Illusive Man really deserved to die!
(Especially for what he did to the people in his concentration-camp-like sanctuary station)
But know I think it would have been better punishment to let him live and SEE those stupid endings!

[AirWolf856]

I thought getting to the ending was great fun but the endings really did suck.  It's like Bioware had everybody working on ME3 until Bioware took all the good people off of ME3 and told them to work on SWTOR.  So the lowly-paid intern got to write the ending.  This was just a lazy ending.  This story wasn't even new.

1. Man creates machine.
2. Machines get smarter than man.
3. Decide that man is a threat so they kill all smart people and leave the dumb people.
4. Machines wait for the dumb people to become smart and start the whole sequence all over again.

Haven't we seen this before?  Isn't this just basic science fiction?  I was expecting a lot more from Bioware.  That intern should be fired. 

[soske aizen]

the prob even with a prequel at this point is i dont know bout u guys but i dont feel like playing a game just to get to know and love another cast to know there ****ed 100 years later

[Dan Rosse]

Seducing-Pinata wrote...

BioWare has gutted me with those endings. i've spent HUNDREDS of hours with this franchise. How can they do that to me... to us? I'm honestly so upset. I want some closure for the series that I'm so invested in, the series that, for all intensive purposes, I love.

Amen

[Kloborgg711]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...


We're a terrible sample group because the best assumption that can be made is that this group will be heavily skewed towards disliking the ending because we're self selected. People who like the ending just fine are more likely to ignore the forums and not complain.
 devs aparently don't undrestand their own property just like George Lucas doesn't understand Star Wars.

Again, I just want to point this out:
If you look at the other top voted polls, you'll see one "Were you disappointed with Mass Effect 2?"
The vast majority (more than 80%) said NO. By your logic, only people who were disappointed would bother seeking out the poll.

[anlk92]

Nathos wrote...


@JessicaMerizan Question: With all the negative feedback about the ME3 ending is Bioware going to acknowledged it, or just leave it be?

@TheSqueaky we are listening and remaining spoiler free for now as many have not played yet.

Link

At the very least I appreciate her responding to such a tweet. Many others would simply ignore it.

But I still can't understand how the dev team got so disconnected with their players, with what they would want to see, with if I may say their own vision at the very last second. How is it possible that the people who made the last 10 minutes of the game are the same people who built the rest of it?

[Annaleah]

I friend of mine on Facebook just started playing ME3 and he was having trouble importing his save from ME2 to ME3
He said:
"So I sit down to start ME3. And it turns out that, even though I completed ME2, I never actually created the end-game save file. So now, two years later, I need to load a save file right before the end and beat the final boss again. This is going to be painful."

....That poor poor bastard. I want to tell him but he needs to find out for himself...

[unclee]

BobbyTheI wrote...

I'm just going to post this here for posterity, because I know this is exactly what's going to happen, and I want it on record.

When BioWare finally does issue a statement about all this, the only thing they will address is that it's not a happy ending. They will go on and on about "It's war, and people die," and "A story like this wasn't going to have a happy ending," and paint everybody complaining about this as just whiners who wanted their Shepard and favorite bed partner to get together and be happy at the end.

They will ignore the bad plot holes, the tortured logic, the hideous writing, and just address it on a level of "Well, you didn't like the ending because it wasn't the one you hoped for, but there was no way we could please everybody, so sorry."

Mark my words, it's what's coming.

I fully expect that to happen, however, it would be a complete lie. They could have reasonably please everyone in some way by simply tying the ending to your galactic readiness status.

-Above a certain number: Everyone takes heavy casulties but the reapers are destroyed. Shepard and his/her squad lives.

-Below a certain number: The forces in the battle are completely decimated with potentially some species being wiped out. Reapers are still defeated but Shepard and his/her entire squad die.

-In between those two: Some middle ground between the above two.


IMO, this would have given MOST of the fanbase at least a bit of what they wanted (except for those who wanted specific LI endings, but any reasonable person wasn't looking for that anyway). So if they preach that then I'm sure A LOT of people will be calling BS.

In the end though, you're probably right about what they'll say. Shame.

[Mikrin]

Ooh, ooh! I figured out why Bioware hasn't responded yet!

Our gesalt emotions gained sentience, traveled through the internet, and punched all Bioware employees in the head at the same time.

[KaiserinKai]

Rdubs wrote...

I saw someone do one earlier so not my idea but we should start an Internet meme: "Still a better ending than Mass Effect 3". Everyone take a picture of something horrific (but not depressing) and add "Still better ending than ME3" on it. We should start a dedicated thread where people can post.

I have a picture of a massive train wreck somewhere, I'll try to do that.

Here's mine~

i116.photobucket.com/albums/o4/Vulpix1000/StillaBetterEndingExplosion.jpg

Modifié par KaiserinKai, 11 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[JamesYHT]

MP is fun...I'm just saying

[mauro2222]

Nathos wrote...

WHY THIS WAS CUT FROM THE GAME???????

The rage is coming back!

BUAAARRRGGGGWWWW!!!!

[Count Viceroy]

Nyila wrote...

Nathos wrote...

WHY THIS WAS CUT FROM THE GAME???????

That smells DLC. There were audio files of the Shadow Broker DLC and the Kasumi DLC in ME2.

[Eirileth]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

I saw someone do one earlier so not my idea but we should start an Internet meme: "Still a better ending than Mass Effect 3". Everyone take a picture of something horrific (but not depressing) and add "Still better ending than ME3" on it. We should start a dedicated thread where people can post.

I have a picture of a massive train wreck somewhere, I'll try to do that.

Here's mine~

Kony? Still better than the ending to Mass Effect 3.

[Rosery99]

Well congratulations on MP being fun. I didn't buy the game for MP, not in the slightest, it's like the frosting on a five story tall cake, good but not my main focus. I bought the game for SP and to see how the story ended, if I wanted an FPS Horde mode MP game I'd go play Gears Of War, yes? Sorry but the MP is a cop-out.

[Mhgasa]

Dan Rosse wrote...

Seducing-Pinata wrote...

BioWare has gutted me with those endings. i've spent HUNDREDS of hours with this franchise. How can they do that to me... to us? I'm honestly so upset. I want some closure for the series that I'm so invested in, the series that, for all intensive purposes, I love.

Amen

I absolutely agree with you

[imelik]

Annaleah wrote...

I friend of mine on Facebook just started playing ME3 and he was having trouble importing his save from ME2 to ME3
He said:
"So I sit down to start ME3. And it turns out that, even though I completed ME2, I never actually created the end-game save file. So now, two years later, I need to load a save file right before the end and beat the final boss again. This is going to be painful."

....That poor poor bastard. I want to tell him but he needs to find out for himself...

I feel so sorry for him. I need to really finish it myself again as well as i am in the middle of my femShep run with Liara in ME2. But now i dont know even if i want to play any of the games again because of teh ending of ME3.

Seriously, i am so mad with BioWare for dropping the bomb with this ending.
It is just so bad. No bloody closure. That is what i needed. But no. They had to leave it like that so
now i am all hollow inside. And sad. And now i need my new bloody ending !

[Abram730]

lex0r11 wrote...

Mydknightcloud wrote...

Some people are already hypothesizing about the current ending to be a development of indoctrination. If that is the case, Bioware has outdone itself and we can expect something very profound to happen in the coming weeks or so. Imagine feeling the rage you do now to suddenly find out that it was all planned to invoke such a reaction in order to stage the grand finale.

I would not put it past Bioware. In fact I would almost expect it. Still we won't know until they let us know what is happening. I'm still holding out and putting some faith in Bioware. The game before the last 15 minutes or so was amazing. I can only think we should be seeing a few more tricks up the company's sleeves before this is done.

that would be so ****ed up brilliantly good to make the player relate to sheps experience having this "nightmare", this indoctrination happening to him, choices which pretty much throw out EVERYTHING he did up to this point. just some reaper trying to save his ass in the last minute, just to wake up and destroying the reapers  WITHOUT a chance someone could spoil the ending.

brilliant.
but kinda wishfull thinking.

I think we fell in the final charge and everything after that was Harbinger in our head.  It answered some things, but take it with a grain of salt as it was our first look at indoctrination first hand.  It's the reason everything moved in slomo like the dreams.

The choices could determin if we live or die or get indoctrinated.
Live but retire... end up as a boss to kill or a body to collect and have a memorial.

That would also mean that we don't really know what the Crucible does..

[Aiden_Cora]

imelik wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

I friend of mine on Facebook just started playing ME3 and he was having trouble importing his save from ME2 to ME3
He said:
"So I sit down to start ME3. And it turns out that, even though I completed ME2, I never actually created the end-game save file. So now, two years later, I need to load a save file right before the end and beat the final boss again. This is going to be painful."

....That poor poor bastard. I want to tell him but he needs to find out for himself...

I feel so sorry for him. I need to really finish it myself again as well as i am in the middle of my femShep run with Liara in ME2. But now i dont know even if i want to play any of the games again because of teh ending of ME3.

Seriously, i am so mad with BioWare for dropping the bomb with this ending.
It is just so bad. No bloody closure. That is what i needed. But no. They had to leave it like that so
now i am all hollow inside. And sad. And now i need my new bloody ending !

The pain, it is only just beginning for this one...

[Kasmatt]

One of three things has happened here:

1. Bioware is holding out on other endings and we will have to pay for them via DLC (Most Probable) OR
2. Bioware is holding out on other endings and they may be activated for FREE after sometime  so 17 or so endings plus 1 or 2 more (Wishfull thinking here)
3. That silly reporter on the citadel we have punched in every game wrote the end together with Bambi.

Modifié par Kasmatt, 11 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[Benathorn]

mauro2222 wrote...

Nathos wrote...

WHY THIS WAS CUT FROM THE GAME???????

The rage is coming back!

BUAAARRRGGGGWWWW!!!!

I'm still depessed and angry and now I'm sad again from hearing this. Why did they cut this?! Now everytime I hear Anderson in my head he sounds so much better then in the game...Note to self: may be a sign of emotional scaring...

Modifié par Benathorn, 11 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[Gamer Genocider]

Guys don't worry, there's another DLC ending. The Shepard alive ending shows him waking up on Earth, he was in the Crucible. There's no way he fell from space and lived.