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#18726
Annaleah

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alkestis wrote...

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I'm becoming more and more depressed as each day passes without word from BioWare.

This sucks.

Edit: Why wasn't that Anderson dialog put into the game?! Depression +24


Yeah, right there with you. Even dream woods-heaven-afterlife with everyone else who died would've made me happy.

Our Wardens got to be happy for a time, after all the sacrfices.. why not Shep?


I know right? My warden was a human noble woman and ended up becoming the queen of freaking Ferelden in the end by marrying her LI, Alistair. THATS LIKE THE DEFINITION OF A DISNEY ENDING! Why can't Shepard have an ending like that?

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I'm not normally someone who makes a giant fuss about such things, but the ending has really tainted something that was genuinely incredible up until that point. Hard to accept.

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Ludcirum wrote...

I RJay I wrote...

Everybody is talking about a 'brighter' ending, sure I would like the opportunity for one, but I would be 100% happy with a well thought out, extremely well presented, non-plot whole ridden and questions answered ending where Shepard dies. Scenes like that are often better, more memorable and far more moving than a 'happy' ending.

It's the unanswered questions and the lack of impact my choice had on the galaxy, because at the end of the day... I'm not sure if Wrex, Grunt, Vega, Ashley, Tali survived... I only saw Joker, Liara and Javik in the end cutscene. And I don't like that regardless of my choice, they end up stranded, no more reaper threat, and the mass relays were destroyed along with the citadel.


And the fact that they are somehow far away from the battle? Doesn't seem like them to betray everything thay have fought for in the past 3 years.


Joker would NEVER flee, no matter what. He isn't a coward, and he knew that they had to win, more than most.  So yea, this is my biggest issue with the ending(s), and the fact they suddenly get stranded in what seems like another system.

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karambiatos wrote...

Gamer Genocider wrote...

BioWare ripping off Mass Effect fans. http://m.youtube.com...h?v=zRRpGlmtws8


fix yer link its broken

Here, does this work? 
   BioWare ripping off fans

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AvroArrow56

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Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

Modifié par AvroArrow56, 11 mars 2012 - 08:21 .


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Well, after I finished ME3 about an hour ago, and after thinking, I have to say: This is the first time I think Bioware has failed BIG TIME.

It isn't so much about the "Hey, Shepard died!" thing. It is more about this:

1. I stopped Sovereign from opening the gate, sacrificing Kaidan in the process.
2. I lead the most special suicide mission to the Collector base.
3. I have pulled together a fleet of enormous size, made up from even the smallest mercenary.

And NOW, the whole galaxy I did this for simply blew up. Not as in "destroyed", but as in: The mass effect universe as I learned to know it and learned to love it is gone. The Mass relays, the Citadel...gone. Anyone still remember seeing this GIANT space station in the first part and thinking: "WoW!". And now, boom, gone. Races spread to a distance they could possibly never overcome in the next, what, 20.000 years. With the homeworlds destroyed, and without the galactic community, it would take time to rebuild and just have an Idea of how to travel just close the speed of the Mass effect.

I am usually a person who likes dramatic endings, but not complete unreasonable and unlogical endings! How the hell did Liara came onto the Normandy after beeing in the final charge with me?!

Mass Effect was the first game where I really wanted to see a bad and good ending. Once, beeing KIA rescuing the galaxy, the galactic community gathering to honor his sacrifice, maybe seeing his Legacy/Child. And once, happily ever after with some blue children.

But getting killed by a ghostly child is...crap. Why not adding a DLC which enables you to get an opportunity to fight the reapers WITHOUT the catalyst. A secret fleet for example, and so enable a new ending.

I know: We send the Doctor! He will kill the reapers, unite every race and be back for cake and tea in his blue box!

On a serious note: A major letdown. If there is no DLC or patch giving us the opportunity for a "Proper ending" I will not buy Dragon age III if it releases. Why? To get another creppy ending to a trilogy?!

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BioWare ripping off loyal fans.



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 I feel like this is EA's fault. I imagine the Bioware team probably wouldn't have chosen to do multiplayer or make some choices about the story if they hadn't been bought by EA. The second half of the game just feels rushed and the ending is weird.

But guys... it can't be any worse than what EA did to Command and Conquer...

I guess they can do what they want with the IP, I do truely enjoy most of ME3 but I feel really conflicted about the ending.

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Nathos wrote...

WHY THIS WAS CUT FROM THE GAME???????


wow. just wow...

but i had a thought. Alot of us are wondering why Bioware hasnt been saying anything about all of us being so upset. well what if they already have?

that hallucination ending scenario fits almost too well for someone to have just be like "okay guys, here's an idea...". what if actually the whole hallucination/overcoming reaper indoctrination was actually brought to our attention by "undercover" Bioware employees? the reason they aren't saying much is because they already have. they have already told us what the endings were and they aren't saying much because we all already like the hallucination idea.

super sneaky Bioware....

OFC this was just something that popped into my head as I cried at work today....

#18736
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Rdubs wrote...

As much as I hope there will be, there simply will not be an ending DLC. At least not until sales start tanking and even them still not a strong possibility. Simply because of pride. Nobody likes to admit mistakes and when you have people thinking they're God's gift to video game producers it doesn't get easier to admit you miscalculated. They will simply tell themselves "the fans don't get our creative genius" and leave it at that.

In reality the ending was forced to set the stage for the coming MMORPG. If you had "wildly different endings" as promised they would have to think of some other means to shoehorn everyone into the same starting point and judging by what they went with, they came up blank.

This whole "if you knew what we had planned you'd keep your copy" is nothing but a desperate plea for people to not sell back their ME3 games because that would raised used inventory and cannabilize new sales. Don't be fooled twice.


Other companies like Bethesda have apologized for their mistakes.

What you say about the MMORPG thing is troubling, seems to me like a high probability that there will be an ME MMORPG, but it's still sad to throw the last single player game of the series to the garbage because of future plans to make more $..

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AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)


I was unable to get three lines into your post, for the second you said they wanted to teach us life isn't fair. THERE A GOD DAMN GAME DESIGNER. Do you know how bad a buisness practice that would be?! If they did this for that reason there summarily executing themselves in the future, they are in the buisness of making fun REWARDING games. Not teaching us life lessons that we are reminded of every god damn miserable day. 

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jaredgnar wrote...

I feel like I might be a little late to the party because I only beat the game last night, but I know I'm not alone in saying I've spent an obscene amount of time in the ME universe only to have this be how all turns out. Every game in the series was an amazing ride, but the ending cheapened it beyond belief. I had trouble falling asleep last night, and trouble getting out of bed this morning. I didn't know what to feel when the end credits started rolling and I still don't. I loved ME more than any other franchise I've ever been drawn into, and ME3 was for me the perfect game; the perfect universe. That's really saying a lot for someone who has always been drawn to worlds more akin to LOTR or Conan. Then I was told the Citadel was a ghost child or some ****, and that your ending has no chance of being a good one. Bioware says they don't want to address the issue yet, because they don't want to spoil it for people who haven't beaten the game yet. Well I know one thing its spoiled for me, and from the looks of it, all of you as well.



you know i haven’t finished the game originally all I wanted to know is Can shepherd survive I stumbled across this and other thread and eventual found out what the ending was and now I cant bring myself to finish the game and like all the others on here i feel betrayed and angry.  it's like BW said we have finished with shepherd and the others now so they throw him her along with the whole galaxy away like some used tissue.

Show some respect to your own IP and give fans a good uplifting ending as well as the dark depressing one you have now.

Modifié par christrek1982, 11 mars 2012 - 08:26 .


#18739
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Monica_de_Ladur wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...

unclee wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

I'm just going to post this here for posterity, because I know this is exactly what's going to happen, and I want it on record.

When BioWare finally does issue a statement about all this, the only thing they will address is that it's not a happy ending. They will go on and on about "It's war, and people die," and "A story like this wasn't going to have a happy ending," and paint everybody complaining about this as just whiners who wanted their Shepard and favorite bed partner to get together and be happy at the end.

They will ignore the bad plot holes, the tortured logic, the hideous writing, and just address it on a level of "Well, you didn't like the ending because it wasn't the one you hoped for, but there was no way we could please everybody, so sorry."

Mark my words, it's what's coming.


I fully expect that to happen, however, it would be a complete lie. They could have reasonably please everyone in some way by simply tying the ending to your galactic readiness status.

-Above a certain number: Everyone takes heavy casulties but the reapers are destroyed. Shepard and his/her squad lives.

-Below a certain number: The forces in the battle are completely decimated with potentially some species being wiped out. Reapers are still defeated but Shepard and his/her entire squad die.

-In between those two: Some middle ground between the above two.


IMO, this would have given MOST of the fanbase at least a bit of what they wanted (except for those who wanted specific LI endings, but any reasonable person wasn't looking for that anyway). So if they preach that then I'm sure A LOT of people will be calling BS.

In the end though, you're probably right about what they'll say. Shame.


LI ending would of been grate but I never expected it I did however expect this or something like it and if they put something like this in I will be happy


What I don't understand is when they say: Not everybody will be happy with the endings.
Why not? I mean this is the last game with shepard so they can let the whole story end however they please. Of course it's not possible to make every single person happy but they could have at least made enough endings (very happy ones, cryptic ones, bad ones) so that everyone can choose what suits him/her best. (That's the basic Idea of an interactive game: to make decisions that influence the outcome not to reduce everything to three paths.
Maybe we shouldn't have stopped the reapers at all. More luck in the next cycle.


Well, truely "happy" endings would be unrealistic. I know we're talking about a game where space magic (eezo) helps ships move at FTL speeds, but there still has to be some grounding to the endings. The entire game is an all out war with the Reapers. Species are expected to be taking losses.

I think everyone in this thread understands that. There can still be a "happy" ending, but it's also going to have to include death. Maybe not the death of any major characters (except those who died prior to the end mission), but it WAS a war after all.

Instead of trying to tie the ending into out EMS/Galactic readiness, which increasing was the entire point of the game, we basically get "Reapers are out of the way somehow, but good luck getting across the galaxy after this. Also, Normandy randomly somewhere else with the people who were with you not a half hour ago. Also, remember that last time a mass relay was destroyed? Yeah, ignore that."

Modifié par unclee, 11 mars 2012 - 08:29 .


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sunnygsm wrote...

I'm not normally someone who makes a giant fuss about such things, but the ending has really tainted something that was genuinely incredible up until that point. Hard to accept.


well said

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Nyila wrote...

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Im not gonna shower for a year in protest. Who wants to sponsor me? Ill make sure to do it far away from your nostrils.


I'll give you half a bag of Skittles. :happy:


don't sponsor him! its only a strike if it isnt something he already doesnt do!

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I RJay I wrote...

Everybody is talking about a 'brighter' ending, sure I would like the opportunity for one, but I would be 100% happy with a well thought out, extremely well presented, non-plot whole ridden and questions answered ending where Shepard dies. Scenes like that are often better, more memorable and far more moving than a 'happy' ending.

It's the unanswered questions and the lack of impact my choice had on the galaxy, because at the end of the day... I'm not sure if Wrex, Grunt, Vega, Ashley, Tali survived... I only saw Joker, Liara and Javik in the end cutscene. And I don't like that regardless of my choice, they end up stranded, no more reaper threat, and the mass relays were destroyed along with the citadel.


I too don't mind that Shepard died, infact I went into this game expecting that he would die. To me it always seemed like a die trying type of story. What hurts is the loss of the Mass Relays, and that the fact that those honorable enough to stay true to their world and help save Earth will never see their worlds again. Wrex will never see Tuchanka again, and Tali will die in her suit never to breathe the air of her home planet which she always dreamed of. Why did we do all that work for absolutely no one to reap the benefits of life?

#18743
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Annaleah wrote...

alkestis wrote...

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I'm becoming more and more depressed as each day passes without word from BioWare.

This sucks.

Edit: Why wasn't that Anderson dialog put into the game?! Depression +24


Yeah, right there with you. Even dream woods-heaven-afterlife with everyone else who died would've made me happy.

Our Wardens got to be happy for a time, after all the sacrfices.. why not Shep?


I know right? My warden was a human noble woman and ended up becoming the queen of freaking Ferelden in the end by marrying her LI, Alistair. THATS LIKE THE DEFINITION OF A DISNEY ENDING! Why can't Shepard have an ending like that?


And yet, it was NOT a fairy tale ending, because there was a huge price to happiness (Morrigan). I'm not asking them to give us a Disney ending, but at least one that would be less depressing. A happy ending with a price to pay is better than what we currently have.

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snekadid wrote...

Nyila wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Im not gonna shower for a year in protest. Who wants to sponsor me? Ill make sure to do it far away from your nostrils.


I'll give you half a bag of Skittles. :happy:


don't sponsor him! its only a strike if it isnt something he already doesnt do!


Haha that's true!

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AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)


I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.

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Ikikata wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Almost 48 hours later, and I feel...

Still awful. Just awful.


Got something to look forward to then, I'm only at 24 hours now :( Worst thing is I cant make myself play anything right now, which is always the case after a good game, but this ending made it worse.


Same here. I am some 20 hours since the ending and i feel awful. Only thing i have played is some ME3 co-op because i do loved the game but i cant make myself start the SP again because this is just too hard for me.

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Link in 24 hours the amount of people who want a better ending has doubled to 20,000 ... That's nothing to sneeze at... and it's only going to get bigger.

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Rob8228 wrote...

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)


I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.


True, and even Socrates is less depressing to read than ME3..

#18750
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Woah, just checked, the FB group has 7k likes already! Could've sworn last I checked it was barely 2k.