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[Ikikata]

Rob8228 wrote...

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.

Seconded. Games for me is to get away from the real life, especially Mass Effect, where I am Commander Shepard, so of course I want to live happily ever after, so I can get closure.

[J5550123]

Ikikata wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.

Seconded. Games for me is to get away from the real life, especially Mass Effect, where I am Commander Shepard, so of course I want to live happily ever after, so I can get closure.

The poll has almost 18,000 people voting for a new, happier ending.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

[Pabloskie]

 This is the first time that I have ever registered for any kind of gaming forum. I am not the type of gamer who likes to share his experiences with the world. To me a game is a game is a game....is game. That was true until i picked up ME1 and this wonderfully written universe that was brought to life by the obviously talented Bioware Family. The options and outcomes presented actually felt like my own and even with hindsight I would make the same choices over and over again, even knowing the outcome. I was a late comer to the series, but when I finished ME1 I immediately picked up ME 2 and having finished the story to that point, I began to replay it again. When I picked up ME3 I was in awe in how far the game had come in terms of everything, Story, Gameplay, even the wonderful voice acting. I was heading in to the final mission I was anxious to see how every single choice I made in the previous titles would play out. Did I do the right thing by choosing to save the rachni, or re-writing the Geth, talking down Wrex, or choosing to destroy the Collector base; would these decisions come back to haunt me.

But then as the "God-kid" VI appeared, I knew in the bottom of my stomach that this was not going to end well, and not because of my choices, but because of the predetermined ending. The way the ultimatum of die, die or die plays out goes against the whole concept of this wonderful Franchise.I asked my self if I did something wrong, what did I miss. I felt deflated as the edning made no sense to me. When I Googled Mass Effect 3 endings and found this forum, I was glad and upset that I was not alone, Almost every single other ME fan was left asking WTF.

Why the hell was the Normandy running away. The entire Mass Relay system being destroy prcatically would end the Galaxy community as we know it. Based on continuity, wouldn't this destroy entire solar system. I mean that basically means earth is destroyed. So much for taking it back. Basically this ending left me wiht more questions than the previous games. In e ME1,  ME2 and 95% of ME3 we knew where we were going and answeres slowly began to unfold. But the last 15 minutes of ME3 left me with moe questions than answers, so much for wrapping the story up.
I remember about a week ago, Bioware devs were on record saying that the choices in ME3 would be memorable. They were absoluty right. They are memorable, but for all the wrong reasons: I dont think I will ever forget how awful I felt at the end of this game. 

If this is the way the series ends, It is really sad that it ends like this. Insted of going out with a bang, it wen it wiht a meh......

For the sake of closure and in gratitude for the thousands of gamers that have dedicate countless hours in to this franchise, I hope Bioware and EA adress this in some way, be it a DLC or patch or whatever would make a fitting conclusion to what is otherwise an incredible sci-fi series. 

[mauro2222]

Rob8228 wrote...

I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.

It's working on me, I'm seeing the kid in the end of my bed... EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT

He's always telling me how to dress.

"You can wear the blue shirt, but you must go naked"
"You can't go naked if you wear the blue shirt"

And then my brain bleeds with such good logic.

[Ikikata]

J5550123 wrote...

Ikikata wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.

Seconded. Games for me is to get away from the real life, especially Mass Effect, where I am Commander Shepard, so of course I want to live happily ever after, so I can get closure.

The poll has almost 18,000 people voting for a new, happier ending.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Yea, I'm looking forward to the next few days where more people will complete it. And I'm gonna force all my friends to vote aswell on the polls, and like on FB 

[Sterenn]

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

"But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve."

Thank you but I already know it. When I play video games, it's not to be teached about how hard life can be. I'm not a 12 yo. When I play video games, I want my rp to be respected, my character to be rewarded for her actions. Not to faced a stupid false conclusion written by some talentless writer. 

[MrPuschel]

 
Interesting Informations about the plot and its writers:
http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

[Esker02]

sunnygsm wrote...

I'm not normally someone who makes a giant fuss about such things, but the ending has really tainted something that was genuinely incredible up until that point. Hard to accept.

I think this is what continues to make this so bizarre and uniquely stunning for people, myself included. ME3, like ME2 and ME before it, was FANTASTIC until the final 10 minutes. It's simply inconceivable that the same people who handled the Krogan and Turians, Mordin, the Geth conflict and Legion, Thane, the LI dialogue, and the like, for the rest of the game, put together what we had handed to us at the very end. How do you come THAT close to making perhaps the greatest trilogy of games ever and then fail at the last second. It's just so confusing. Had ME3 been horrible the whole ride through, it would have been a disaster, yes, but it would have been one that we could understand. "Oh BioWare just isn't who they used to be" ... "Oh look, another DA2" ... "Oh see, add multiplayer and this is what you get" and so on.

But they had all of those tired complaints (of which I was fully prepared to levy against them) PUT TO BED by the time they had me tearing up like a child at Mordin's death scene. I was fully prepared to admit I was wrong, to say that the masters were still the masters. And then they fumbled at the goal line... and I think, perhaps, that hurts in an entirely different way. A way I wasn't expecting, nor have I ever experienced anything quite like.

[Abram730]

Gamer Genocider wrote...

Guys don't worry, there's another DLC ending. The Shepard alive ending shows him waking up on Earth, he was in the Crucible. There's no way he fell from space and lived.

Was he was in the Crucible?
Are you sure about that?

[Rob8228]

I have to go for a while, I will return tonight to keep fighting the good fight.

Hold the line!

[xDarkspace]

when we was on the crucible he was in space between where the crucible and citidel connect and we had no helmet on so that makes no sence i dont know why nobody has seen this yet lol.

[alkestis]

Nyila wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

alkestis wrote...

Generic Name wrote...

I'm becoming more and more depressed as each day passes without word from BioWare.

This sucks.

Edit: Why wasn't that Anderson dialog put into the game?! Depression +24

Yeah, right there with you. Even dream woods-heaven-afterlife with everyone else who died would've made me happy.

Our Wardens got to be happy for a time, after all the sacrfices.. why not Shep?

I know right? My warden was a human noble woman and ended up becoming the queen of freaking Ferelden in the end by marrying her LI, Alistair. THATS LIKE THE DEFINITION OF A DISNEY ENDING! Why can't Shepard have an ending like that?

And yet, it was NOT a fairy tale ending, because there was a huge price to happiness (Morrigan). I'm not asking them to give us a Disney ending, but at least one that would be less depressing. A happy ending with a price to pay is better than what we currently have.

Exactly. Paid a price to survive, wasn't totally Disney-esque (which I would've ran from).. no children, but a time with the man/woman the Warden loved without the fate of the world hanging on their shoulders.

Cripes, Shepard had the fate of the universe on their shoulders for THREE YEARS knowing about the Reapers.

[snekadid]

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

Congrats on typing all that and NOT READING ANYTHING YOURSELF!

were not angery because its sad, were angery because we were sold the series on a premise and that premise got thrown out with the bath water so that they could make a easy mans ending akin to the ending of envangelion only with less to no explanation. Deus ex human revolution did something alot like this, only better because atleast someone talks about your choice and the dialog reflects that, and it got chewed up and spit out for having such a bad ending. 

This took place over 3 games and had less of an ending than some nes games. Its not about sad, V for vendetta is a beutiful movie and i tear up at the end of it every time because its sad but its also fullfulling because the ending means something.

[BCMakoto]

Rob8228 wrote...

I have to go for a while, I will return tonight to keep fighting the good fight.

Hold the line!

"Yes Sir!" *He reloads his Avenger.*

Seriously, why creating the most epic trilogy in game history, Just to screw it up during the last 15 Minutes?! To screw up 100 hours of great Story telling and gameplay, of awesome cinematics like the ME1 approach of the Citadel, the ME3 spacebattle, or the ME2 approach to the Collector base, JUST TO FAIL SO HARD DURING THE LAST 10 MINUTES?!

[Ikikata]

Esker02 wrote...

sunnygsm wrote...

I'm not normally someone who makes a giant fuss about such things, but the ending has really tainted something that was genuinely incredible up until that point. Hard to accept.

I think this is what continues to make this so bizarre and uniquely stunning for people, myself included. ME3, like ME2 and ME before it, was FANTASTIC until the final 10 minutes. It's simply inconceivable that the same people who handled the Krogan and Turians, Mordin, the Geth conflict and Legion, Thane, the LI dialogue, and the like, for the rest of the game, put together what we had handed to us at the very end. How do you come THAT close to making perhaps the greatest trilogy of games ever and then fail at the last second. It's just so confusing. Had ME3 been horrible the whole ride through, it would have been a disaster, yes, but it would have been one that we could understand. "Oh BioWare just isn't who they used to be" ... "Oh look, another DA2" ... "Oh see, add multiplayer and this is what you get" and so on.

But they had all of those tired complaints (of which I was fully prepared to levy against them) PUT TO BED by the time they had me tearing up like a child at Mordin's death scene. I was fully prepared to admit I was wrong, to say that the masters were still the masters. And then they fumbled at the goal line... and I think, perhaps, that hurts in an entirely different way. A way I wasn't expecting, nor have I ever experienced anything quite like.

I still think Mass Effect 3 is a VERY VERY good game, it has some flaws, like less conversation choices which bugs the hell out of me. However the ending is just unacceptable and filled with plotholes.

But there wasn't a time throughout the game that I didn't enjoy, again, besides from the ending.
I really wonder if Bioware actually were ready to release this game, or EA pushed it. It has several bugs, like 1/3 dialogue options than previous games, and one of the worst game endings ever, that is copy pasted 2 more times with slight difference.

[Gamer Genocider]

BioWare made Prothean DLC in the game and cut it out to sell for 10 bucks. Who's to say they won't do this with the endings?

[alkestis]

Ikikata wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.

Seconded. Games for me is to get away from the real life, especially Mass Effect, where I am Commander Shepard, so of course I want to live happily ever after, so I can get closure.

Exactly. I ended up with enough RL problems because of couple of massive events that happened in the space of a year in my twenties, that I know reality's not always happy. I had no issue with the game endings in 1 or 2.. 3 just hurt.

Even if my Shep ended up in a wheelchair, or something.. I could've dealt with that.

[CShepz]

Hope we can push this to 1,000 pages. You would think that 25,000 posts would be significant.

[Nyila]

Gamer Genocider wrote...

BioWare made Prothean DLC in the game and cut it out to sell for 10 bucks. Who's to say they won't do this with the endings?

That is.. so sad..

[Aerial_ace901]

Bioware just give us some mod tools, none of this to complex BS and we'll fix the game our selves

[Lilla Snorkan]

God i hate that popup "Commander Shepard has become a legend.". It might aswell say "Your catalyst is in another castle".

[Ikikata]

alkestis wrote...

Ikikata wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.

Seconded. Games for me is to get away from the real life, especially Mass Effect, where I am Commander Shepard, so of course I want to live happily ever after, so I can get closure.

Exactly. I ended up with enough RL problems because of couple of massive events that happened in the space of a year in my twenties, that I know reality's not always happy. I had no issue with the game endings in 1 or 2.. 3 just hurt.

Even if my Shep ended up in a wheelchair, or something.. I could've dealt with that.

Heck, if done right I'd have loved an ending where Shepard lived happy but maybe lost a leg or something. Because that is a leap of faith doing that, and for me that is really bold, and works for me. As long as Shepard lives happily on.

This is the reason why I loved How To Train Your Dragon.

Though I do think I'd still prefer a 100% perfect ending for my Shepard, he deserves it

[Nyila]

Lilla Snorkan wrote...

God i hate that popup "Commander Shepard has become a legend.". It might aswell say "Your catalyst is in another castle".

[I RJay I]

Rob8228 wrote...

AvroArrow56 wrote...

Please take some time to read my response here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9784536

(There is a TLDR section at the bottom of it!)

I stopped reading after this:

But in light of this I offer you all, the frustrated players, a proposition. What if, just maybe, Bioware wanted to teach players a philosophical lesson that sometimes life is not fair, that sometimes we all experience a dues ex machina in our lives. What if, just maybe, the writers are trying to tell us that even the most deserving sacrifice may come up flat, that sometimes deserving men and women just do not get what we think they deserve. 

If BW is trying to preach to me, it's garbage. I don't play video games for moral and philisophical lessons. I play them to get away from the crappiness of the real world. I play them for entertainment. If I wanted philosophy, I would read Socrates.

It's not about being philosophical... If they brought the philosophical ending, like the indoctrinated ending theory.   I would be thrilled at that, it's just the inconsistencies and the unanswered questions that have gotten me so upset and irritated.

[unclee]

Lilla Snorkan wrote...

God i hate that popup "Commander Shepard has become a legend.". It might aswell say "Your catalyst is in another castle".

I lol'd harder than I should have. You made my day