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TaylorC183

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I hate these endings as much as anybody but I feel like I am sitting better with them now because I have joined the indoctrination/hallucination theory. In the beginning of the game the kid is standing right in front of a shuttle with a reaper coming. He is like 2 feet from a evac soldiers leg, which leads me to believe NO ONE but shepherd could see him. Also, he is making like direct eye contact with shepherd. And he even helps himself up in the evac shuttle. I have a hard time believing that if he was visible, all of those people in the shuttle would let a little boy struggle by himself. And he is always making direct eye contact with shepherd. Its kind of creepy..

And I might be completely crazy for believing this stuff, but I played through a 2nd time and noticed A LOT of things that pointed towards that theory.

So long story short guys, the endings right now suck. But I'm holding out hope cause I drank the crazy kool aid :)

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joe1852 wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

joe1852 wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

As a side note... Since I beat ME3 I have been having issues with my jaw locking up. My doctor says it's TMJ and attributes it to grinding my teeth in my sleep as a result of an increase in emotional stress... Now if I don't close my mouth all the way my jaw hangs slightly crooked...

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never mind bioware i think u need serious help if an ending to a video game causes u stress


It's Bioware's fault that we are stressed out by something that was meant for FUN in the first place. That doesn't mean she has issues or needs help.


yes it really does


If you think that means someone needs help,  I can't imagine what your life is like.

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Eirileth wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Did anyone else notice that, when you put EDI in one of her alternate appearances (adding a uniform on) she has an unexplained ******?


The AA's for Edi always looked like Mirandas body/suit model. She has one too, if I remember correctly. At least in ME3


Fair enough. I guess they went the lazy way and just gave EDI the same body model they already used for Miranda.



I've noticed alot of things in ME3 was just pics found on the internet and they altered it

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Toby Shepard wrote...

Sarz91 wrote...

He's talking. Just not about us

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gcijat

So it will take a few months to fix bugs before they add another DLC?

Like that enormous bug at the end of the game where Mass Effect 3 actually stops and Call Of Duty: Seriously Modern Warfare begins? :<

It's like reading Lord Of The Rings but at the end of the journey Smeagol kills Frodo and walks away with the ring.


So true. It's also like if you watched the entire Star Wars franchise, all 6 movies, then at the end - Luke fails. Darth Vader doesn't kill the Emperor, the Emperor wins and the entire Rebel Alliance is destroyed, Han dies, Leia dies, Threepio and R2-D2 are dismantled and melted down, the Ewoks are all horribly butchered. Fade to Black.

That's what the ending of ME3 feels like. Good job Bioware. :mellow:

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IndelibleJester wrote...

joe1852 wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

As a side note... Since I beat ME3 I have been having issues with my jaw locking up. My doctor says it's TMJ and attributes it to grinding my teeth in my sleep as a result of an increase in emotional stress... Now if I don't close my mouth all the way my jaw hangs slightly crooked...

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never mind bioware i think u need serious help if an ending to a video game causes u stress


It's Bioware's fault that we are stressed out by something that was meant for FUN in the first place. That doesn't mean she has issues or needs help.


Okay let me just clear the air here before this gets out of hand... that was exaggerated for comical effect... hence why I used the.gif.

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dporowski wrote...

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quick queston if you do play a NG+ do you get to keep any of your war assets?


I cna't even figure out how to get to NG+ =.= There is no option for it. And if I try to start a new game, it won't let me import my ME3 character. WTF?



...  Uh, can anyone confirm that, and also, what platform?  I was reasonably sure that people have already started on NG+, if not completed.


Platform for me is the PC and 1 more how realistic is to try and ge 5000 war assets without playing the MP

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Toby Shepard wrote...

It's like reading Lord Of The Rings but at the end of the journey Smeagol kills Frodo and walks away with the ring.


Close, but not quite. It is like reading LOTR, but at the end, Gollum bites the finger with the ring off of Frodo, Frodo then proceeds to eat Gollum whole to take back the ring. The ring then speaks to Frodo from his small intestine, telling Frodo that the ring actually created and controls Sauron, and Sauron is his way of making sure that the peoples of Middle Earth don't get too smart for their own good. Frodo can then choose to regurgitate the ring and become one with it to control Sauron, destory the ring and with it any hope of peace, or digest the ring and magically unite the forces of good and evil into one mystic whole. Frodo chooses to destroy the ring, flinging himself off the cliff into the fires of Mount Doom. While Frodo is falling to his doom, the story cuts to Sam, Gandalf, and Aragorn are suddenly getting off a boat on the shores of Valinor. Crazy things happen to the armies gathered to battle that make no sense.

Then, the last sentence in the book reads .. "on the cold, hard rock of Cirith Ungol, the broken body of a hobbit lies naked, apparently dead. As Orcs gather round, there is a sharp gasp of breath..."

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Annaleah wrote...

As a side note... Since I beat ME3 I have been having issues with my jaw locking up. My doctor says it's TMJ and attributes it to grinding my teeth in my sleep as a result of an increase in emotional stress... Now if I don't close my mouth all the way my jaw hangs slightly crooked...

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY BIOWARE!


Holy cow! Sorry to hear. Is that treatable?

EDIT: you got me)))

Modifié par Dan Rosse, 12 mars 2012 - 12:20 .


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christrek1982 wrote...

dporowski wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...

quick queston if you do play a NG+ do you get to keep any of your war assets?


I cna't even figure out how to get to NG+ =.= There is no option for it. And if I try to start a new game, it won't let me import my ME3 character. WTF?



...  Uh, can anyone confirm that, and also, what platform?  I was reasonably sure that people have already started on NG+, if not completed.


Platform for me is the PC and 1 more how realistic is to try and ge 5000 war assets without playing the MP


I just did this and I got a mass relay light that was a combination of all the previously offered colors :lol:

I'm just kidding. Nothing happened. My ending was the exact same as it was before. It showed my shep breathing in the rubble. So unless I did somethign wrong...but I don't think I did.:(

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jd19 wrote...

Toby Shepard wrote...

It's like reading Lord Of The Rings but at the end of the journey Smeagol kills Frodo and walks away with the ring.


Close, but not quite. It is like reading LOTR, but at the end, Gollum bites the finger with the ring off of Frodo, Frodo then proceeds to eat Gollum whole to take back the ring. The ring then speaks to Frodo from his small intestine, telling Frodo that the ring actually created and controls Sauron, and Sauron is his way of making sure that the peoples of Middle Earth don't get too smart for their own good. Frodo can then choose to regurgitate the ring and become one with it to control Sauron, destory the ring and with it any hope of peace, or digest the ring and magically unite the forces of good and evil into one mystic whole. Frodo chooses to destroy the ring, flinging himself off the cliff into the fires of Mount Doom. While Frodo is falling to his doom, the story cuts to Sam, Gandalf, and Aragorn are suddenly getting off a boat on the shores of Valinor. Crazy things happen to the armies gathered to battle that make no sense.

Then, the last sentence in the book reads .. "on the cold, hard rock of Cirith Ungol, the broken body of a hobbit lies naked, apparently dead. As Orcs gather round, there is a sharp gasp of breath..."


you have just made my day. THANK YOU

#19186
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Eirileth wrote...

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Alright guys, time to debunk the dream/whatever ending here.

I dont think what happens after shep get fried is to be considered a dream. Why? Because I think its a lack of attention to detail combined with a disconnection between the writers and the fans.

I could go into my theory of No Investment no Connection (NIC, working title) which to sum it up is about professionalism killing the connection and emotional investment you get out of something as fan, if your interested in reading my entier theory say so and Ill post it tomorrow, its a working theory I have been working on for the past 15 months or so.

But I wont go into that now unless someone shows interest, what I will say tho is that I believe the endings and the confusion people are having is about the game being in the end of the development cycle and the devs are tired and dont show as much attention to detail, as in Shepard lying in rubble instead of floating in space.

And the reason the writers thought the ending was good and tought nothing more about it is due to NIC, which in short means that they as writers have forgotten and dont feel the same investment and connection to the characters and universe as we do, thus making them unable to understand how we would like the story to be concluded, Im sure that in there minds this ending is the correct one and they dont see why we dont think so.


Perhaps. But how do you explain the content that was included and then taken out at the last second? Like Shepard's final conversation with Anderson. Or Joker flying in to save the day. You can still find the sound data on the discs, even though it's not actually in the game. It was removed from the story at the last second before release.


Well that part is not removed, I got the same conversation with anderson at my ending with my femshep,  and something similar with my male was at 100% readiness and around 6000 effective mil str.

So it was not cut, its just that there are many variables to get the different endings, including that conversation!

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Eirileth wrote...

I played MP for a day and got my Galactic Readiness up to 100%. I then spent one hour getting my Effective Military Strength and Total Military Strength both up to 6k+. I am now replaying the end of the game to see if this hard work makes a difference, as I heard a rumor it would. However, I don't think it will... And I desperately look forward to tomorrow in hopes that BioWare will finally answer us and announce a fix for this...


You're effort is futile. I did the same thing 7k, 99% exact same ending(synthesis my shep would never destroy the geth or control the reapers). And if someone would link the petition I would sign it in a heartbeat.

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jd19 wrote...

Toby Shepard wrote...

It's like reading Lord Of The Rings but at the end of the journey Smeagol kills Frodo and walks away with the ring.


Close, but not quite. It is like reading LOTR, but at the end, Gollum bites the finger with the ring off of Frodo, Frodo then proceeds to eat Gollum whole to take back the ring. The ring then speaks to Frodo from his small intestine, telling Frodo that the ring actually created and controls Sauron, and Sauron is his way of making sure that the peoples of Middle Earth don't get too smart for their own good. Frodo can then choose to regurgitate the ring and become one with it to control Sauron, destory the ring and with it any hope of peace, or digest the ring and magically unite the forces of good and evil into one mystic whole. Frodo chooses to destroy the ring, flinging himself off the cliff into the fires of Mount Doom. While Frodo is falling to his doom, the story cuts to Sam, Gandalf, and Aragorn are suddenly getting off a boat on the shores of Valinor. Crazy things happen to the armies gathered to battle that make no sense.

Then, the last sentence in the book reads .. "on the cold, hard rock of Cirith Ungol, the broken body of a hobbit lies naked, apparently dead. As Orcs gather round, there is a sharp gasp of breath..."


This post if full of win.

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TaylorC183 wrote...

jd19 wrote...

Toby Shepard wrote...

It's like reading Lord Of The Rings but at the end of the journey Smeagol kills Frodo and walks away with the ring.


Close, but not quite. It is like reading LOTR, but at the end, Gollum bites the finger with the ring off of Frodo, Frodo then proceeds to eat Gollum whole to take back the ring. The ring then speaks to Frodo from his small intestine, telling Frodo that the ring actually created and controls Sauron, and Sauron is his way of making sure that the peoples of Middle Earth don't get too smart for their own good. Frodo can then choose to regurgitate the ring and become one with it to control Sauron, destory the ring and with it any hope of peace, or digest the ring and magically unite the forces of good and evil into one mystic whole. Frodo chooses to destroy the ring, flinging himself off the cliff into the fires of Mount Doom. While Frodo is falling to his doom, the story cuts to Sam, Gandalf, and Aragorn are suddenly getting off a boat on the shores of Valinor. Crazy things happen to the armies gathered to battle that make no sense.

Then, the last sentence in the book reads .. "on the cold, hard rock of Cirith Ungol, the broken body of a hobbit lies naked, apparently dead. As Orcs gather round, there is a sharp gasp of breath..."


you have just made my day. THANK YOU



Bwahahaha that's a win!

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Dj14365 wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

I played MP for a day and got my Galactic Readiness up to 100%. I then spent one hour getting my Effective Military Strength and Total Military Strength both up to 6k+. I am now replaying the end of the game to see if this hard work makes a difference, as I heard a rumor it would. However, I don't think it will... And I desperately look forward to tomorrow in hopes that BioWare will finally answer us and announce a fix for this...


You're effort is futile. I did the same thing 7k, 99% exact same ending(synthesis my shep would never destroy the geth or control the reapers). And if someone would link the petition I would sign it in a heartbeat.


You can get the synthesis ending without ever touching the mp (I did). But if you want the destroy ending with that 20sec cutscene of Shep breathing, then you kind of need to play mp...unless someone has proof that they have achieved 4000 ems without ever touching mp. 

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The Big Palooka wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

Am I the only one who sees the irony?
Bioware united Xbox, PS3, and PC players so that they can, collectively, hate Bioware. I seem to remember a game that required uniting different groups to fight one common enemy...I think it was called something like Mass Effect 3


Right down to the fact that the fans have commandeered ME3's own terminology and marketing taglines to use against them.


How appropriately true!!!

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It disturbs me that a certain Bioware exec will address an issue that I just heard about earlier today, but ignores the ones that began before the game was released.

From Michael Gamble's twitter:

Posted Sunday 11th March 2012

I've posted a summarized response on the BSN, but i wanted to give some more details on the 'From Ashes' development. As we've seen recently, our fans are extremely passionate and we have a great deal of respect for you.

ME3 was a labour of love for the dev team. To finish a game like ME3, it literally takes months of intense bug fixing and certification. At this point, our goal is to polish the game to an extremely high quality – not to add extra content. You hopefully see a lot of that polish in ME3.

During that certification time, we had a small team of developers begin to craft the ‘From Ashes’ content, with the intent to finish production on it long after ME3 was out of our hands as a dev team.

However, because the plot of ME3 is so richly interwoven with the character interactions and moments, you simply cannot use a DLC module to ‘insert’ a new character. As we've mentioned before, that character has to be planned and the framework has to be established ahead of time for us to build off of with the DLC module. You may have seen a similar framework developed in ME2 for the Zaeed and Kasumi characters. We wanted Javik to be a fully featured squad member, with deep dialogue throughout the game – and we needed him to be accessible via the character selection GUI (which you cannot simply ‘overwrite’ with DLC). Thus, certain elements of the Javik appearance and some of the VO needed to be included on the disc. That is a fact. But that doesn’t mean the content was created, and then removed. It is a necessity of adding a rich character presence in our game.

That, however, is the extent of it. As mentioned above, the DLC is over 600 mb. The DLC data holds the mission itself, the cinematic flashback moments, the cinematic dialogue interactions with Javik, his weapon, the appearances for squad members… everything that makes the adventure a cohesive experience. 'From Ashes' is not Javik’s character model. It is the story of finding the last remaining Prothean, and how his tale interweaves with Commander Shepard’s as he struggles to destroy the Reaper threat.

Thanks for listening.



Maybe his relatively quick response has something to with the recent forbes article on that whole debacle...

Modifié par Dae0, 12 mars 2012 - 12:28 .


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TamiBx wrote...

Dj14365 wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

I played MP for a day and got my Galactic Readiness up to 100%. I then spent one hour getting my Effective Military Strength and Total Military Strength both up to 6k+. I am now replaying the end of the game to see if this hard work makes a difference, as I heard a rumor it would. However, I don't think it will... And I desperately look forward to tomorrow in hopes that BioWare will finally answer us and announce a fix for this...


You're effort is futile. I did the same thing 7k, 99% exact same ending(synthesis my shep would never destroy the geth or control the reapers). And if someone would link the petition I would sign it in a heartbeat.


You can get the synthesis ending without ever touching the mp (I did). But if you want the destroy ending with that 20sec cutscene of Shep breathing, then you kind of need to play mp...unless someone has proof that they have achieved 4000 ems without ever touching mp. 


I had to do MP to get the EMS high enough. Before that, I was at 5.3k TMS and 2.3k EMS. I don't think there IS a way without doing MP. And if Shepard breathing isn't a foreshadow to a new DLC that uses the hallucination theory... I don't know what I'll do. But it probably won't be good or healthy.

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TobiTobsen wrote...

jd19 wrote...

Toby Shepard wrote...

It's like reading Lord Of The Rings but at the end of the journey Smeagol kills Frodo and walks away with the ring.


Close, but not quite. It is like reading LOTR, but at the end, Gollum bites the finger with the ring off of Frodo, Frodo then proceeds to eat Gollum whole to take back the ring. The ring then speaks to Frodo from his small intestine, telling Frodo that the ring actually created and controls Sauron, and Sauron is his way of making sure that the peoples of Middle Earth don't get too smart for their own good. Frodo can then choose to regurgitate the ring and become one with it to control Sauron, destory the ring and with it any hope of peace, or digest the ring and magically unite the forces of good and evil into one mystic whole. Frodo chooses to destroy the ring, flinging himself off the cliff into the fires of Mount Doom. While Frodo is falling to his doom, the story cuts to Sam, Gandalf, and Aragorn are suddenly getting off a boat on the shores of Valinor. Crazy things happen to the armies gathered to battle that make no sense.

Then, the last sentence in the book reads .. "on the cold, hard rock of Cirith Ungol, the broken body of a hobbit lies naked, apparently dead. As Orcs gather round, there is a sharp gasp of breath..."


This post if full of win.


Too much win...

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I just finished my first playthrough last night and I must say I am disappointed at the endings. It is rare for me to say such things, hell I have seen that I like a lot of things that most others don't, because I usually don't take works of fiction so seriously and watch, read, and play them just for the fun of it. But to have everything I did for the past three games to amount to nothing at the very end was just so unsatisfying, expressly when I enjoyed every minute of the game before the end.

Right of the bat with the fall of earth I felt like I failed to prepare for them, everything from the 1 and 2 just delayed the reapers and hardly anyone listened to my warnings until it was too late. At mars almost losing Ash (My love interest for the playthrough) so soon made me add personal reason to take out the TIM. All the effort I put into building alliances and doing all of the side quest made me think it was all going to be worth it. I laughed at all the funny puns made to the last games, from Garrus' calibrations to Tali talking to Jafik drunk off her ass and him saying "this conversation it over.". The dreams were making me think that shep was slowly losing it, the last one making me think the child was representing the future (laying with LI may of contributed to that.) At TIM's base I, a mostly paragon who only uses renegade interrupts if I feel think they are necessary to the situation, didn't even think about it until after a few seconds after I hit the bottom to stick to Kai, the hate I had for him since he showed up in the books clouded my judgment that I felt satisfied in killing him. Then came the final confrontation with TIM, every moment felt like deja vu to Sarean. Then the endings where coming. When the Citadel opened up like a flower I began to expect that Earth might have to be sacrificed in order to defeat the reapers and save the galaxy. Picking between that or controlling the reapers. Or shepard having to sacrifice him/herself for everyone else. Would I have been some what disiponted by those choses. Yes. Would I have excepted those endings. Yes.

But in the endings we were given made me I feel like everything I did was for nothing. Every decision I made big and small. The people I let live and those that I killed. All the friends I made. The alliances I made to unite the galaxy. The care into the romantic element of the story. ALL of it was for nothing.

Would I buy (let’s not kid ourselves into believing to would be free, they do take time and money to make) a dlc that would give us a somewhat happy ending. Yes I would but I would do so reluctantly.

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 12 mars 2012 - 12:28 .


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http://social.biowar...ndex/9789361/11

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PhoenixDove1 wrote...

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed that people who think the ending was great and that we are the minority keep using the reference that 890,000 were sold in the first 24 hours and that 3.5 million are being shipped around the world?

What I would like to know is how many of the people who bought it in those figures have actually finished the game? Without knowing that those numbers are moot. Of course it's going to sell good in the beginning, the first two were great.  It's ridiculous to use that 'they're selling good' somehow proves us wrong.

Please tell me this pisses someone else off too.


First off, yes it upsets me and second........hell, I, as well as many of us, contributed to that number!!!   I'm a CE pre-order since announcement ...... damn that hurts.

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1000 pages here we go...

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Im dumb for asking but dafuq is NG+ ?

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Annaleah wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

joe1852 wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

As a side note... Since I beat ME3 I have been having issues with my jaw locking up. My doctor says it's TMJ and attributes it to grinding my teeth in my sleep as a result of an increase in emotional stress... Now if I don't close my mouth all the way my jaw hangs slightly crooked...

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never mind bioware i think u need serious help if an ending to a video game causes u stress


It's Bioware's fault that we are stressed out by something that was meant for FUN in the first place. That doesn't mean she has issues or needs help.


Okay let me just clear the air here before this gets out of hand... that was exaggerated for comical effect... hence why I used the.gif.


oh thank god