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[ARCTIC EAGLE]

http://social.biowar...5/index/9790553

[soske aizen]

i hate it when any book/movie/game does the whole it was a dream this for any bit of time abiet 10mis or the whole thing but at this point i just want that spark i use 2 feel bout mass effect back

[Drake_1000]

Time to move into the main section of BSN people :

http://social.biowar...9361/12#9795409

Let bioware hear your voice !

[cannedcream]

Stephanid98 wrote...

Victia wrote...

Lord Hirudo wrote...

What is truly amazing/sad is how many people are really pushing and hoping for an "it was all a dream" ending, which is one of the biggest literary cop-outs there is, and that I'm actually in support of it as a potential remedy.

I know- I am of the opinion that the 'it was all a dream' (or variations thereof) ending should never be used under any circumtances however it actually seems like a really good idea - the ending (as well as being terrible) just feels surreal!

I think I'm there too.  I believe I'm in the denial stage.  It's been 3 days since completion.

What's worse is that I am completely willing to PAY good money to buy the real ending if that were the case.

[Madcat 124]

 http://www.guildwars...-t11395p26.html

We're Not Alone Guys...

[Rosery99]

That thread seems to have devolved into a flame war, I will remain here and keep this thread on track and keep it moving.

[Lord Hirudo]

Closest I've come to this level of misery from a video game ending was Soul Reaver, but this still puts it in the dust. I literally had to fight back tears of despair.

[EddMiles]

Never posted in these forums before, and this is mostly just going to be a +1 to everything that's gone before, but I think it's important as many people as possible show their dissatisfaction so we can't be labelled a minority.

Mass Effect has been somewhat of an obsession for me, from picking up the original for £3 in a Steam sale, I've been emotionally hooked into this game. Mass Effect 2 still holds the position as my favourite game of all time (narrowly edging Half Life 2), and I've been annoying everyone I know with talk about ME3 for the last three months or so.

Continuing my slavish fanboying, I took three days off work to play ME3 (after rigging my computer up with a Hong Kong proxy to get around the ridiculous European late release date), 31 hours of game play later, I'm finishing up on the Citadel expecting the epic conclusion... and then. This. The feeling most of you are I am sure familiar with of complete and utter emptiness.

Some people have said it is ridiculous to get so worked up over a game, but it's not. ME3 is at it's heart a story, and stories have a huge affect on humans. Stories are a constant across human cultures and civilizations, and they have the power to deeply impact the recipient. Mass effect's story has been amazing, the twists and turns of the story have had me hooked. I didn't do Jacob's loyalty mission in ME2 because I wanted the best ending, I did it because I was genuinely interested in his character. In ME1, I didn't choose to save Ashley because a soldier was more useful to my party than a Sentinel, I did it because Shepherd's relationship with her meant it was the only decision he could make. I felt involved in the ME universe, and thus when the ending breaks first the canon of that universe, and then destroys they key tech that has allowed that universe to become what it is, it's a complete kick in the guts.

A sad ending would have been fine. Some of my favourite stories have sad endings (most notably, the ending to the His Dark Materials trilogy, which had me in tears). I was prepared for Shepherd to die (although an option where he lives would have been nice, preferably insanely difficult to get - relying on having done things right in ME1 and 2) but I got to the point of having to make the choice and was left thinking... "no. Shepherd would not do any of these things." My shepherd has gone through three games of persuading people round to his way of thinking, but he can't muster an argument against this circular reasoning child? It's that jarring disconnect from what my character has been that completely yanked me out of the story and left me... frankly bewildered at the end.

[J5550123]

Lord Hirudo wrote...

Closest I've come to this level of misery from a video game ending was Soul Reaver, but this still puts it in the dust. I literally had to fight back tears of despair.

I love Soul Reaver. Let's hope Bioware gives us an answer tomorrow.

[Reaper of Reapers]

I thought the game was amazing, but the journal really pissed me off. It was a total downgrade. Also, they more or less got rid of squad-mate conversations on the Normandy, which were just a click and listen. Then, there was the ending, which basically killed any desire for me to play again. Mass Effect 1 and 2 are the only games I have ever replayed in my life. Multiple times. I was looking forward to playing and getting all the different endings even if they were DA:O style on Photoshopped stock images. Seriously WTF?!

Also, if the Citadel is part of the GodKid then why couldn't he just activate the Citadel relay itself? Could the Citadel be older than the Catalyst/GodKid (implying that he was the original synthetic that killed its creator)? Why does the dog only stay in the Shuttle Bay and not follow me around the ship?

[CDHarrisUSF]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

I got over 5K war assets fairly easy. Make sure you explore every system and scan, Cure the Genophage, Make peace for the Geth and Quarians, Citadel assignments, etc.

By "war assets" he probably meant "Effective Military Strength" rather than "Total
Military Strength." I saved every ****ing race in the series, got everyone to support the cause, did 100% of the planet scanning in this game,  and there was only one glitched side quest that I couldn't turn in because the NPC disappeared. I still wasn't able to manage 4K EMS. I had over 6K (closer to 7K) TMS, but without multiplayer I would still need to pull an extra 1000+ war assets out of my ass somehow.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 12 mars 2012 - 01:14 .

[Kenthen]

xDarkspace wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Mass Effect 3 NG + Ending.

But that's the ending I got on my first playthrough. What's the difference exactly?

[Trunks Bordare]

Mike B aka Fony posted this www.youtube.com/watch on his FB. Sums up what we all think pretty well.

[Victia]

cannedcream wrote...

Stephanid98 wrote...

Victia wrote...

Lord Hirudo wrote...

What is truly amazing/sad is how many people are really pushing and hoping for an "it was all a dream" ending, which is one of the biggest literary cop-outs there is, and that I'm actually in support of it as a potential remedy.

I know- I am of the opinion that the 'it was all a dream' (or variations thereof) ending should never be used under any circumtances however it actually seems like a really good idea - the ending (as well as being terrible) just feels surreal!

I think I'm there too.  I believe I'm in the denial stage.  It's been 3 days since completion.

What's worse is that I am completely willing to PAY good money to buy the real ending if that were the case.

Ay me too - good, hard earned money!

[Sywen]

I'd pay money to be able to play this game again.

[cannedcream]

Computim wrote...

LetheAlethe wrote...

I'm so incredibly disappointed with the ending. I won't say "endingS", because really, the differences are not worth noting.
One game ending actually ruined not just this game, but the entire series.

Nothing Shepard did, not just in ME3, but in all 3 games, mattered one whit.

Not one choice provides an ending with even a little bit of happy or hope. Whole societies ending up in the wrong place due to no relays, probably all going to die, your crew stranded somewhere, you die no matter what.
And then some guy and some kid show up and it was all a story and somewhere in the future people apparently survived somehow. Nothing that needed explaining is explained, etc etc.

This is a game where I made choices and up until the last 15 minutes or so, they mattered. I would have liked more ending options, or real options instead of 3 near-copy/pastes. Knowing I have no real control over anything and that we probably won't be able to save anything, and that I can do a million things and prepare for all I'm worth and it doesn't change a thing in the end, I have meatspace for that. I'd like my favourite game series at this moment to leave me feeling happy, or content, or at least just sad and/or ambivalent about the outcome, instead of only drained.

Not touching this series again, not unless they make some truly spectacular changes or DLC so we can have satisfactory endingS.

Agreed... I'm wiped now.. it's depressing, you'd think someone would have taken the whole paragon speech and realized "Hey maybe we shouldn't be doing the same thing to the player that citadel kid wants to do to the galaxy" hahaha.

And all that Dark Matter, stars suddenly dying, stuff from ME2 slammed face-first into a dead end...

Yeah, you can not make me believe that this ending was the real one. It just does not fit.

[Stephanid98]

soske aizen wrote...

i hate it when any book/movie/game does the whole it was a dream this for any bit of time abiet 10mis or the whole thing but at this point i just want that spark i use 2 feel bout mass effect back

you nailed it -  I want my spark back.  I want to 'want' to play again.  I want to love this game.  As it is, I can't even think about it.  Sad, but I'm looking forward to going back to work tomorrow.  The enjoyable week I took off to devote to ME ended the moment I finished the game and I've just been wallowing in despair since then.  I need reality to snap me out of it and I guess at this point it's like saying I prefer work over game-time.  

[soske aizen]

ug why do i have this feeling that all the ppl trolling in that other theard just set us back ....maby its just the fact that im a real paranoid person...

[Maj.Pain007]

[quote]CDHarrisUSF wrote...

[quote]Maj.Pain007 wrote...

[/quote]

I got over 5K war assets fairly easy. Make sure you explore every system and scan, Cure the Genophage, Make peace for the Geth and Quarians, Citadel assignments, etc.

[/quote]

By "war assets" he probably meant "Effective Military Strength" rather than "Total
Military Strength." I saved every ****ing race in the series, got everyone to support the cause, did 100% of the planet scanning in this game,  and there was only one glitched side quest that I couldn't turn in because the NPC disappeared. I still wasn't able to manage 4K EMS. I had over 6K (closer to 7K) TMS, but without multiplayer I would still need to pull an extra 1000+ of war assets out of my ass somehow.[/quote]

Ah. I only played 3 multiplayer matches so nothing that could drastically change. How can one een achieve a perfect ending if you can only get around 6-7K? Do you really need 10K+?

[MrJu1c3]

jd19 wrote...

Toby Shepard wrote...

It's like reading Lord Of The Rings but at the end of the journey Smeagol kills Frodo and walks away with the ring.

Close, but not quite. It is like reading LOTR, but at the end, Gollum bites the finger with the ring off of Frodo, Frodo then proceeds to eat Gollum whole to take back the ring. The ring then speaks to Frodo from his small intestine, telling Frodo that the ring actually created and controls Sauron, and Sauron is his way of making sure that the peoples of Middle Earth don't get too smart for their own good. Frodo can then choose to regurgitate the ring and become one with it to control Sauron, destory the ring and with it any hope of peace, or digest the ring and magically unite the forces of good and evil into one mystic whole. Frodo chooses to destroy the ring, flinging himself off the cliff into the fires of Mount Doom. While Frodo is falling to his doom, the story cuts to Sam, Gandalf, and Aragorn are suddenly getting off a boat on the shores of Valinor. Crazy things happen to the armies gathered to battle that make no sense.

Then, the last sentence in the book reads .. "on the cold, hard rock of Cirith Ungol, the broken body of a hobbit lies naked, apparently dead. As Orcs gather round, there is a sharp gasp of breath..."

Hahaha, you just made me feel better about this whole thing. Thanks xD

[Annaleah]

soske aizen wrote...

ug why do i have this feeling that all the ppl trolling in that other theard just set us back ....maby its just the fact that im a real paranoid person...

No I'm worried too... the people that actually freak out and troll and act like spoiled babies about the ending make us look bad...

Luckily for us, in the media it's the people calling us spoiled babies that look more like trolls than we do... for now.

[Alamar2078]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Can't stop laughing: www.youtube.com/watch

I laughing way to hard at that.  It's only funny because it's so true.

[Soundsystem]

nilcox wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

nilcox wrote...

Alright guys, time to debunk the dream/whatever ending here.

I dont think what happens after shep get fried is to be considered a dream. Why? Because I think its a lack of attention to detail combined with a disconnection between the writers and the fans.

I could go into my theory of No Investment no Connection (NIC, working title) which to sum it up is about professionalism killing the connection and emotional investment you get out of something as fan, if your interested in reading my entier theory say so and Ill post it tomorrow, its a working theory I have been working on for the past 15 months or so.

But I wont go into that now unless someone shows interest, what I will say tho is that I believe the endings and the confusion people are having is about the game being in the end of the development cycle and the devs are tired and dont show as much attention to detail, as in Shepard lying in rubble instead of floating in space.

And the reason the writers thought the ending was good and tought nothing more about it is due to NIC, which in short means that they as writers have forgotten and dont feel the same investment and connection to the characters and universe as we do, thus making them unable to understand how we would like the story to be concluded, Im sure that in there minds this ending is the correct one and they dont see why we dont think so.

Perhaps. But how do you explain the content that was included and then taken out at the last second? Like Shepard's final conversation with Anderson. Or Joker flying in to save the day. You can still find the sound data on the discs, even though it's not actually in the game. It was removed from the story at the last second before release.

Well that part is not removed, I got the same conversation with anderson at my ending with my femshep,  and something similar with my male was at 100% readiness and around 6000 effective mil str.

So it was not cut, its just that there are many variables to get the different endings, including that conversation!

There is a final conversation with Anderson in game (if you stop him from egtting shot a second time), but that's not the dialogue being talked about as removed.

The removed dialogue with Anderson has him talking with Shepard about Anderson never being a father, asking Shep if they ever plan to become a parent and commenting that Shep would be a good parent. There are links throughout the topic. It takes place in the middle of the current Anderson/Shep final convo.

[soske aizen]

Annaleah wrote...

soske aizen wrote...

ug why do i have this feeling that all the ppl trolling in that other theard just set us back ....maby its just the fact that im a real paranoid person...

No I'm worried too... the people that actually freak out and troll and act like spoiled babies about the ending make us look bad...

Luckily for us, in the media it's the people calling us spoiled babies that look more like trolls than we do... for now.

all it takes for evil to win is for good ppl to do nothing

[TSC_1]

cannedcream wrote...

Stephanid98 wrote...

Victia wrote...

Lord Hirudo wrote...

What is truly amazing/sad is how many people are really pushing and hoping for an "it was all a dream" ending, which is one of the biggest literary cop-outs there is, and that I'm actually in support of it as a potential remedy.

I know- I am of the opinion that the 'it was all a dream' (or variations thereof) ending should never be used under any circumtances however it actually seems like a really good idea - the ending (as well as being terrible) just feels surreal!

I think I'm there too.  I believe I'm in the denial stage.  It's been 3 days since completion.

What's worse is that I am completely willing to PAY good money to buy the real ending if that were the case.

I'm willing to pay the price of a full game for DLC that fixes this. And I'm standing by that statement.