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[Andyrew_]

I think a lot of people went into the game knowing that Shepard could die with an epic ending but based on the previous game i think there was a glimmer of hope that he/she wouldn't.

In any case, its not so much that you die thats the problem, it just appears to be with the whole "what happened next" which is very ropey and open for interpretation; being the supposed conclusion to Shepards story, leaving it like this with only a slight change to the cinematic after you choose your path, with no real explanation ..... really does not do such a great game the justice it deserves., a bit more tlc to add closure to such an important piece would have gone a long way.

Gnarlesee wrote...

You guys are just mad because shephard dies. Allthough the endings are extremely laze made, almost identical cinematics.

[Tiikay_]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

SomeBug wrote...

There's a BioWare panel on April 8th at PAX East. It's an open Q&A so you'll get answers there at the latest if there is no word by then.

Anyone in Boston?? I wish I could go...

I'm going! I've tried to drum up support for a unified movement! We need to organize a united front, and hold the line. Show them we stand as one - that we demand closure and quality. That we won't deal with their mystical fantasy schlock in our Mass Effect. Who's with me!?

I won't be there physically, but totally with you mentally!  Gather forces, and make us proud   (seriously though, organize something, come prepared with questions, and bring a camera.  We need answers!)

[ArmyKnifeX]

TamiBx wrote...
If they don't mention anything about the ending by then, PLEASE ask them. You will be saving our lives....or Shepard's. Though I'm hoping they will say something before that, we never know...
I wish I could go, instead of being stuck in some middle of nowhere college town in PA 

I certainly will. And if their message amounts to "suck it up and deal with it, here's some headcanon" I'm going to bring up as many points as I can from this discussion we're having. I may need tiny cue cards...

[Goodwood]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Elmogaming wrote...

Well... I think that the ending(s) were a let down i was excited about being back on earth and figting for what my sheapard belived in but... as soon as i ran towards the beam i knew it was going to start going downhill.. but it dosent seem right.. the ending must be some sort of dream/Hullusination.. the oily border of the screen (same as sheapards dreams) the Humming sounds that The indoctrination proccess uses (James Talks of it). The illusive man? obviously he's indoctrinated But there is more to it... The illusive man isnt A "reaper" but he makes sheapard do things (like shoot anderson). I think Harbinger hit's sheapard with the laser and knocks him out... and then on it's a dream/hullusination.. the boy.. is used against sheapard as a weakness because he regrets not helping.. The reapers may be aware of it..

Heck i hope bioware have something BIG planned because i was most upset with the ending.. making me question if bioware dont care

Here's to all quarian Squadrons.. Sheapard cant die.

Another one of "the worsts parts" are that if the hallucination stuff was planned, and they explained it where we currently have holes, this would become the best ending ever, instantly.  We'd all have egg on our face.

I'm okay with egg on my face so long as there's more of the actual battle for Earth, too. For a game whose entire purpose was "TAKE BACK EARTH!" there was surprisingly little of the actual battle for Earth.

That's another very good point. Other than the cinematics with the fleets massing for the attack on the Reapers in orbit (which where, admittedly, really well-done) and Sheperd's ultimately very limited interaction with Hammer Force, there was little to no evidence of a massive counteroffensive. Why not do a SM-esque theme of splitting your squad to accompany different segments of Hammer Force, assigning appropriate squad leaders in a three-pronged attack on the Reaper destroyer guarding the conduit to the Citadel?

Are we also to just assume that the 20+ million (incl. refugees) people on the Citadel itself just perished?

[revaew]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...



I certainly will. And if their message amounts to "suck it up and deal with it, here's some headcanon" I'm going to bring up as many points as I can from this discussion we're having. I may need tiny cue cards...

use a whole pack of index cards. then bring up every single point. make them know that we know what we are talking about and that we aren't just complaining.

[infinitekilan]

Tiikay_ wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

SomeBug wrote...

There's a BioWare panel on April 8th at PAX East. It's an open Q&A so you'll get answers there at the latest if there is no word by then.

Anyone in Boston?? I wish I could go...

I'm going! I've tried to drum up support for a unified movement! We need to organize a united front, and hold the line. Show them we stand as one - that we demand closure and quality. That we won't deal with their mystical fantasy schlock in our Mass Effect. Who's with me!?

I won't be there physically, but totally with you mentally!  Gather forces, and make us proud   (seriously though, organize something, come prepared with questions, and bring a camera.  We need answers!)

I wish I could go, but I used my vacation time for the week of my birthday(which just happens to be tomorrow, and also which I planned on playing ME3 until the joysticks on my Xbox controller were little more than nubs).

Regardless, Bioware should probably have some kind of statement and fix in the works, if not available, by the time PAX East comes around. If they don't... I wouldn't be surprised if a lynching occurred.

[Andyrew_]

Funny stuff

CronoDragoon wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Ace Ventura Completes Mass Effect 3

Wow, all of these are hilarious

[MrJu1c3]

Hahaha, have any of you seen this?

Modifié par MrJu1c3, 12 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[Goodwood]

Andyrew_ wrote...

Funny stuff

CronoDragoon wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Ace Ventura Completes Mass Effect 3

Wow, all of these are hilarious

Very much so.

[ticklefist]

ExileArin wrote...

One thing that I don't understand is how the majority of the people who like the ending just belittle anyone who didn't. I like Dragon Age 2, but that doesn't mean I didn't understand people who were upset with it. So even if someone liked the ending, or thought it was satisfactory, why are we automatically idiots for being upset about it?

Because 99% of the internet thinks that 99% of the internet is stupid. The people that like this and want to argue about it are in that 99%. They think you didn't get it. Nevermind that it's delivered with all the subtelty of a grand piano falling from the 10th floor, they think you didn't get it. 

[thebatmanreborn]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Elmogaming wrote...

Well... I think that the ending(s) were a let down i was excited about being back on earth and figting for what my sheapard belived in but... as soon as i ran towards the beam i knew it was going to start going downhill.. but it dosent seem right.. the ending must be some sort of dream/Hullusination.. the oily border of the screen (same as sheapards dreams) the Humming sounds that The indoctrination proccess uses (James Talks of it). The illusive man? obviously he's indoctrinated But there is more to it... The illusive man isnt A "reaper" but he makes sheapard do things (like shoot anderson). I think Harbinger hit's sheapard with the laser and knocks him out... and then on it's a dream/hullusination.. the boy.. is used against sheapard as a weakness because he regrets not helping.. The reapers may be aware of it..

Heck i hope bioware have something BIG planned because i was most upset with the ending.. making me question if bioware dont care

Here's to all quarian Squadrons.. Sheapard cant die.

Another one of "the worsts parts" are that if the hallucination stuff was planned, and they explained it where we currently have holes, this would become the best ending ever, instantly.  We'd all have egg on our face.

The hallunication stuff is an interesting theory.  But what of the old man and the kid at the end?  Or the Normandy crew?  

[SJK93]

xDarkspace wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Ace Ventura Completes Mass Effect 3

They should make Adam Jensen Completes Mass Effect 3.

"I never asked for this."

[ArmyKnifeX]

Goodwood wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Elmogaming wrote...

Well... I think that the ending(s) were a let down i was excited about being back on earth and figting for what my sheapard belived in but... as soon as i ran towards the beam i knew it was going to start going downhill.. but it dosent seem right.. the ending must be some sort of dream/Hullusination.. the oily border of the screen (same as sheapards dreams) the Humming sounds that The indoctrination proccess uses (James Talks of it). The illusive man? obviously he's indoctrinated But there is more to it... The illusive man isnt A "reaper" but he makes sheapard do things (like shoot anderson). I think Harbinger hit's sheapard with the laser and knocks him out... and then on it's a dream/hullusination.. the boy.. is used against sheapard as a weakness because he regrets not helping.. The reapers may be aware of it..

Heck i hope bioware have something BIG planned because i was most upset with the ending.. making me question if bioware dont care

Here's to all quarian Squadrons.. Sheapard cant die.

Another one of "the worsts parts" are that if the hallucination stuff was planned, and they explained it where we currently have holes, this would become the best ending ever, instantly.  We'd all have egg on our face.

I'm okay with egg on my face so long as there's more of the actual battle for Earth, too. For a game whose entire purpose was "TAKE BACK EARTH!" there was surprisingly little of the actual battle for Earth.

That's another very good point. Other than the cinematics with the fleets massing for the attack on the Reapers in orbit (which where, admittedly, really well-done) and Sheperd's ultimately very limited interaction with Hammer Force, there was little to no evidence of a massive counteroffensive. Why not do a SM-esque theme of splitting your squad to accompany different segments of Hammer Force, assigning appropriate squad leaders in a three-pronged attack on the Reaper destroyer guarding the conduit to the Citadel?

Are we also to just assume that the 20+ million (incl. refugees) people on the Citadel itself just perished?

They certainly did when Shepard blew it up. And again with it being a giant mass relay hovering right over Earth... This ending is just about as bad as it could possibly have been, because it's worse than any of us ever imagined. 

Also, I'm going to start a group for people attending PAX East, so organizing fans can start now. I'll post the link ASAP

[IndelibleJester]

xDarkspace wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Ace Ventura Completes Mass Effect 3

Uh, yeah... pretty much.

[Mizar_Panzar]

Before I played ME3, I heard the negativity with regard to endings, I just thought:

'it is not the endings that are important, it is how we get there'

Then I play the game, then.

The game itself is great, then the last 5 minutes of ending slaps it right in my face.

[Ampmaster]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Elmogaming wrote...

Well... I think that the ending(s) were a let down i was excited about being back on earth and figting for what my sheapard belived in but... as soon as i ran towards the beam i knew it was going to start going downhill.. but it dosent seem right.. the ending must be some sort of dream/Hullusination.. the oily border of the screen (same as sheapards dreams) the Humming sounds that The indoctrination proccess uses (James Talks of it). The illusive man? obviously he's indoctrinated But there is more to it... The illusive man isnt A "reaper" but he makes sheapard do things (like shoot anderson). I think Harbinger hit's sheapard with the laser and knocks him out... and then on it's a dream/hullusination.. the boy.. is used against sheapard as a weakness because he regrets not helping.. The reapers may be aware of it..

Heck i hope bioware have something BIG planned because i was most upset with the ending.. making me question if bioware dont care

Here's to all quarian Squadrons.. Sheapard cant die.

Another one of "the worsts parts" are that if the hallucination stuff was planned, and they explained it where we currently have holes, this would become the best ending ever, instantly.  We'd all have egg on our face.

It could have been, **** I would have gone with that, depending on your choice you wake up and kick some ass, or your indoctrinated and "Game Over" that could be amazing.

But why not release that at the start? Why give us this instead? Even temporarily...

[Kitten Tactics]

Headcanon/fanfiction does nothing for me. I have already seen the real ending. I can not unsee it.

The thing that makes Mass Effect having a new ending plausible is that the series has always had multiple endings. Some people's story ended when the whole crew, including Shepard perished at the Collector base. There are people who got that ending and never played ME2 again. There are others who got through with everyone alive.

I would just like the choice of a coherent, thought out, complete ending. These ones can stay for people who breeze through the game in 15 hours. But make my 35 mean something.

[The_Canadian_Dragon]

Gnarlesee wrote...

You guys are just mad because shephard dies. Allthough the endings are extremely laze made, almost identical cinematics.

If you'd bothered to read more of the posts, you'd know its not upset over Shepard's death. Sure, we would like a future in which Shepard is alive and retires with his/her LI in some HEA with maybe lots of children, but the point trying to be made is that - regardless of whether Shepard lives or dies, we would just like the ending to make sense, to cover the various plot holes (aside from the obvious, how many people noticed in the Shepard lives ending that he/she is laying on a pile of broken concrete and rebar rather than the smashed tech he/she should be surrounded by as he/she should be if on the citadel when it blew up), and to provide resolution to Shepard's life and the choices made.

Sure, I'd love to have at least one version where Shepard does live - I'm sure many would (yes, there is that 20 second clip where we get to see Shepard's chest raise - whoopdedoo) - but I would be happy as long as the ending at least made sense, covered up at least some loose ends and filled in some obvious plot holes, And as much as it galls me to say this, I'd even pay to get it.

[Kloborgg711]

Andyrew_ wrote...

I think a lot of people went into the game knowing that Shepard could die with an epic ending but based on the previous game i think there was a glimmer of hope that he/she wouldn't.

In any case, its not so much that you die thats the problem, it just appears to be with the whole "what happened next" which is very ropey and open for interpretation; being the supposed conclusion to Shepards story, leaving it like this with only a slight change to the cinematic after you choose your path, with no real explanation ..... really does not do such a great game the justice it deserves., a bit more tlc to add closure to such an important piece would have gone a long way.

Gnarlesee wrote...

You guys are just mad because shephard dies. Allthough the endings are extremely laze made, almost identical cinematics.

The death is also far from "epic". Shepard bellyflops into a Halo Forerunner structure while no one is looking and disintegrates in front of us. It's not like Gandalf being dragged down with the Balrog while the Fellowship watches in horror, it's more like stripping Gandalf naked on display and light his beard on fire.

[Computim]

Goodwood wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Elmogaming wrote...

Well... I think that the ending(s) were a let down i was excited about being back on earth and figting for what my sheapard belived in but... as soon as i ran towards the beam i knew it was going to start going downhill.. but it dosent seem right.. the ending must be some sort of dream/Hullusination.. the oily border of the screen (same as sheapards dreams) the Humming sounds that The indoctrination proccess uses (James Talks of it). The illusive man? obviously he's indoctrinated But there is more to it... The illusive man isnt A "reaper" but he makes sheapard do things (like shoot anderson). I think Harbinger hit's sheapard with the laser and knocks him out... and then on it's a dream/hullusination.. the boy.. is used against sheapard as a weakness because he regrets not helping.. The reapers may be aware of it..

Heck i hope bioware have something BIG planned because i was most upset with the ending.. making me question if bioware dont care

Here's to all quarian Squadrons.. Sheapard cant die.

Another one of "the worsts parts" are that if the hallucination stuff was planned, and they explained it where we currently have holes, this would become the best ending ever, instantly.  We'd all have egg on our face.

I'm okay with egg on my face so long as there's more of the actual battle for Earth, too. For a game whose entire purpose was "TAKE BACK EARTH!" there was surprisingly little of the actual battle for Earth.

That's another very good point. Other than the cinematics with the fleets massing for the attack on the Reapers in orbit (which where, admittedly, really well-done) and Sheperd's ultimately very limited interaction with Hammer Force, there was little to no evidence of a massive counteroffensive. Why not do a SM-esque theme of splitting your squad to accompany different segments of Hammer Force, assigning appropriate squad leaders in a three-pronged attack on the Reaper destroyer guarding the conduit to the Citadel?

Are we also to just assume that the 20+ million (incl. refugees) people on the Citadel itself just perished?

Well I saw the traffic/lights on the citadel in the scene with Anderson and the arms opening.. good to see the taxis still run when the station's been taken over lol.  ...that or the stalwart officers of C-Sec.

[IndelibleJester]

Ampmaster wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Elmogaming wrote...

Well... I think that the ending(s) were a let down i was excited about being back on earth and figting for what my sheapard belived in but... as soon as i ran towards the beam i knew it was going to start going downhill.. but it dosent seem right.. the ending must be some sort of dream/Hullusination.. the oily border of the screen (same as sheapards dreams) the Humming sounds that The indoctrination proccess uses (James Talks of it). The illusive man? obviously he's indoctrinated But there is more to it... The illusive man isnt A "reaper" but he makes sheapard do things (like shoot anderson). I think Harbinger hit's sheapard with the laser and knocks him out... and then on it's a dream/hullusination.. the boy.. is used against sheapard as a weakness because he regrets not helping.. The reapers may be aware of it..

Heck i hope bioware have something BIG planned because i was most upset with the ending.. making me question if bioware dont care

Here's to all quarian Squadrons.. Sheapard cant die.

Another one of "the worsts parts" are that if the hallucination stuff was planned, and they explained it where we currently have holes, this would become the best ending ever, instantly.  We'd all have egg on our face.

It could have been, **** I would have gone with that, depending on your choice you wake up and kick some ass, or your indoctrinated and "Game Over" that could be amazing.

But why not release that at the start? Why give us this instead? Even temporarily...

1. Save everyone from spoilers
or
2. money
or 
3. April 1st is coming soon
or 
4. Show the player a true instance of indoctrination... perhaps...

Any of them likely? Eh, we'll see. 

[Computim]

I guess the writers/producers decided to go Renegade with the plot

[DirtyBird627]

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

Before I played ME3, I heard the negativity with regard to endings, I just thought:

'it is not the endings that are important, it is how we get there'

Then I play the game, then.

The game itself is great, then the last 5 minutes of ending slaps it right in my face.

Exactly this, its not just that the ending is unfulfilling, it destroys the entire experience leading up to that point. I've tried to playthrough again, but I just don't see the point.

[Dj14365]

Graywolf633 wrote...

Kitten Tactics, I completely agree. I was planning on importing several of my Shepards into ME3 this weekend, but now that I've beaten it once, I have utterly no motivation to play it again. And why should I when I know that everyone is going to die / starve in the end anyway? Here's to hoping for a redeeming DLC.

This is all to common I had two level 60 playthroughs on me, one for both a liara and ash romance. Then 5 me2 playthroughs one for Miranda, jack and tali, plus two staying faithful to both previous romances. Now unless something drastic happens to the ending(singular) tali will be the only one that sees it to the end. Please fix this you created the greatest game series ever if you don't I have to move that title to assassins creed and I don't want to have to do that.

[Aztlanna]

Fox544 wrote... Or 2) they knew what they were doing and wanted to kill off ME3. Maybe they found something else to focus on or they just don't want to do ME anymore.

Mission accomplished. I have lost all interest in playing any of these games. I won't recommend them others. At this stage, I likely won't buy more Bioware games, either. And I'm not the only one.