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[Experimentel]

TheSneric wrote...

Anyone else in complete denial about the ending and putting their own in its place?

Natasha Shepard snarled under her breath, throwing every shred of will, every ounce of the power that made her the shield, the leader of her friends, her people, her galaxy – and moved The Illusive Man’s control just enough to miss the shot that would have killed Anderson. The Illusive Man was too caught up in his fury to even notice.

                “And who will you listen to Shepard? An old solider, stuck in his ways?” He continued a fanatic glint in his eyes. “And what if he’s wrong? What if controlling the Reapers is the answer?” 

                -normal dialogue here in which Shepard convinces The Illusive Man to pull a Saren; Anderson and Shepard are now freed of The Illusive Man’s control. Anderson is hurt but alive (he’s got a steel vest for god’s sake and it looked like Shepard shot in the stomach) –

                Sasha leaned heavily on Anderson. Everything hurt so god-damned bad… The Crucible was in place. Was this nightmare… over yet? 

                “Hang on Shepard. You hang in there.” Anderson said. Sasha grimaced when she attempted to grin. 

                “I-I think… I’ll survive.” Sasha replied, sounding heavily winded. She pressed a hand to her side to stop the bleeding. “Just glad… you didn’t… pull your gun. Might not… have made it then.”

                “You did good child. You did good. I’m proud of you.” Anderson said as he carefully set her down, grimacing as something brushed his own wound. 

                “Shepard. Commander!” It was Hackett’s voice. “Something’s wrong! Nothing’s happening!”

                “What… do you need me to do?” Sasha said. She tried to get up but Anderson stopped her.

                -Citadel opens obviously, the panel beneath Shepard starts to move-

                “Shepard!” Anderson shouted as the panel beneath her began to rise into the air. Sasha staggered and collapsed heavily. 

                “Get… out of here Anderson. You’ve earned… a break. I’ll take care of the rest.” Shepard said loudly, wincing as the pain returned full force.

                - Scene with Space Child explaining the whole cycle thing, normal dialogue responses (the whole exchange here doesn’t make sense but I can’t think of anything to fix it) then the kid explains the three
choices–

                “No.” Sasha said. “None of these choices are the right ones.”

                “You have no other options.” The Catalyst said.

                “And who… gave you the right to decide? Who… gave you the right to wipe us all out
because we… create synthetics?” Sasha demanded, standing firm. She tried to
stand taller even though she was losing so much blood. “Who… decided the relays
can’t exist?”

                “It is the only way to prevent chaos. These are your only solutions.”

                “I don’t… believe that. You said it yourself – there is hope for a future because I am standing here. And the only…. the only…” Sasha coughed hard and then continued on, “The only reason I am is because every… race in this galaxy supports me. Even the synthetics, even the geth. Don’t you think we deserve… at least a chance? A chance… to decide… our own future?”

                “The harmony will not last.”

                “Then we will… make it last ourselves without someone… deciding for us. Your solution has failed… your new solutions are not better – they would leave hundreds to die trapped…. in this system. This is not order… it’s genocide.”

                - At this point the Catalyst should be able to present a fourth option, given the fact it’s some kind of all powerful space child, that would destroy the Citadel, itself and the reapers but leave the mass relays unharmed. Shepard would be able to die or not die given the amount of war assests collected and of course, would end up on the Normandy if they survived after a long recovery period. Epilogue happens now, explaining what happened. -

There's your ending. 

[Daithin]

To Bioware: From a disheartened Mass Effect follower.

First of all, I want to be clear. I’m not here to diminish the work Bioware has done and the hours of enjoyment, conjecture and hypnotizing that their universe has inspired me to create. In my eyes, a test of a game and more importantly a Universe is how it makes you feel how it sticks with you. In that respect Bioware you have emphatically created something that is to be marveled. I’m a writer by nature, not professional, at least not yet. So I like to think I understand the labor of love it is to create a universe as sweeping as the Mass Effect one.

I will tell you that I have been an avid Bioware fan since Mass Effect was first released. To be honest it was Mass Effect that really turned me on to their games and universes as a whole. I can’t say I have followed all of your games like some. Whether that lends credence to this Message or not I leave up ultimately to the reader and his or her own decisions. Just know that the Mass Effect Universe is a place I have spent many hours thinking and devising reasons for why everything exists. I’m an avid believer in everything having a story to tell, big or small, heroic or harrowing. This was something I came to appreciate from the Mass Effect world.

The loving details are what make a Universe whole, not just a sum of its part.

Mass Effect is a fantastic example of not just a character driven story but a world creation as well. We see that in the universes most of all with some of, in my opinion, the most defining Location’s in any Scifi franchise. Namely the Citadel and the Mass Relay’s, When I think Mass Effect, those two are paramount, some of the first images that come to my mind. For me they are as much characters of the Story as Shepard or Garris. They may not be the most unique in concepts but fantastic in execution, and most especially were given fantastic design.

Bioware, you crafted three fantastic games in a Universe I’ve come to admire and quite frankly, love. So when I say that I think feel like you ended this trilogy in an improper way. I say it with a heavy heart. While I hate to emulate anyone on this forum, I have to tell you that what happened at the end of my Mass Effect 3 left me feeling like I had just been stabbed and left to bleed out on the floor; leaving me completely unmotivated to play the game through again.

It was a fantastic ride, it is a Fantastic game, but its end isn’t bitter sweet. It’s as close to depressing as I have ever seen a game come. The effect it had on me, like I explained as visceral… just not in the way I think you had hoped for.

Mind you I am not a person who minds a bittersweet ending. I don’t want gumdrops and Rainbows in my endings. I don’t want happily ever after. I wasn’t expecting that. This was a War, how many people died, how much civilization was burned because of the Reaper. No, I knew happily ever after wasn’t going to be the end of this game. That said though, all I wanted was resolution to the story, something that let me know that even if the trials ahead were as hard as the events that brought us to that point, that Shepard would have his friends, lover and mates there to back him up. That’s all I really wanted to see.

However my hurt is more than just the way things were left with my Squadmates and the Normandy. I watched the Universe I loved and admired literally be ripped apart in front of my very eyes. Like I said, the Mass Effect Universe is more than the sum of its Parts, but there are things that tied me to the world you crafted as much as any character. For two of the three endings I watched as the Citadel, a place that in my opinion is one of the most awe inspiring locations in Sci-fiction was ripped apart along with every Mass Relay in the known universe. Only one ending leaves the Citadel intact, but leaves my Shepard gone. Then combine that with obtuse nature of what happened with the Squadmate’s I fought valiantly with side by side and did everything I could to protect… and well, I am left with a hollow feeling were my hope had once been.

Before that point Bioware I would have thrown my money at you to create an MMO, set in the Mass Effect universe. I love DLC, and new addition anything that continues the expansion of my knowledge of the Mass Effect World. Now however I have little desire to set foot in your Universe. Almost everything I had come to know and Love about the Mass Effect Universe is gone.

I understand that this war was supposed to be costly to everyone, but for me Bioware this was too much.

I love your games Bioware, I love your stories and you’re Universes. I will never forget them, however what you did to the Mass Effect Universe was more then I can take. I’m not foolish enough to believe that my words will sway you one way or the other, or that you will even read this. I won’t tell you Mass Effect 3 is a horrible game, because it wasn’t. I won’t even say I will never buy one of your games again, because that simply won’t be the case.

However I will tell you that you may have irrevocably damaged my view of the Mass Effect Universe, and the hope that resided in me for it.

Rest in peace Citadel, and all those that died in this War. You will be missed. More then you know.

-The former Sean Shepard of SSV Normandy.

[Dan Rosse]

blackeyes677 wrote...

Over 21k votes on the poll now... That is a lot of money gained/lost.

20k votes = nearly $1mil from sales. This is HUGE 

[LethesDeep]

Ikikata wrote...

Kotaku aint helping us

kotaku.com/5892335/so-theres-a-fan-campaign-to-change-the-ending-of-mass-effect-3

EDIT: Ah, didn't see someone else posted it, was busy getting angry at Owen for thinking he knows whats it about when he says in the start he hasn't even bothered looking into it...

It's ok. I posted a comment with most of our grievances and set him right. Even linked him to this thread and told him to explore our opinions if he wanted to write another, more informed article.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 12 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[KHReborn]

I really would have liked to see Sheppard and Jacob in the bar Jacob mentioned. And if it would by only some seconds seeing them at a table lauging and drinking...

This influence for the ending would have made this series the series of the century.

[DifferentD17]

I'm glad the game has bad ratings on Metacritic and Amazon. User reviews of course, hopefully they will get the message.

5.0/10 on Metacritic www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-3
and
2.6/5 on Amazon www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-3-Xbox-360/product-reviews/B004FYEZMQ/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_recent

I personally gave it a bad rating, because you can't promise so much and not deliver on it.

[Koolaider]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

I just joined Twitter... Even though they support our movement here (I read it in an article written by them yesterday), IGN still gave ME3 a 9.5 and called it an amazing ending to the trilogy...

They were also given an exclusive guide on how to obtain what they still claim is 16 endings.  PR is all up in them.

In case you were wondering, there are technically 16 endings, although none of them seem to satisfy the way people wanted.

ENDINGS
If you imported a save where the collector’s base was saved, then these are your possible endings:

• If your Readiness Rating is below 1,750 points, Earth is destroyed
  regardless of the choice to destroy the Reapers or become one.

• At a 1,750 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is destroyed.

• At a 2,050 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is saved.

• At a 2,350 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is devastated but still there.

• At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.

• At a 2,800 Readiness Rating you’re able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.

• At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.

• At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.

If you imported a save where the collector’s base was destroyed or
you didn’t import a Mass Effect 2 save, then these are your possible
endings:

• If your Readiness Rating is below 1,750 points, Earth is destroyed
  regardless of the choice to destroy the Reapers or become one.

• At a 1,750 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is destroyed.

• At a 1,900 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is devastated but still there.

• At a 2,350 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is saved.

• At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.

• At a 2,800 Readiness Rating, you are able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.

• At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.

• At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.

[IndelibleJester]

Dan Rosse wrote...

blackeyes677 wrote...

Over 21k votes on the poll now... That is a lot of money gained/lost.

20k votes = nearly $1mil from sales. This is HUGE 

It's more than 1,200,000.

[Toby Shepard]

Listening to my favorite Mass Effect score (www.youtube.com/watch (Vigil)) is so bittersweet right now. :/

Modifié par Toby Shepard, 12 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[atghunter]

The endings were simply horrible and 1) ultimately neutered the incredible decision-making element that many fans loved and 2) vastly ignored the investment players make in the protagonist as an individual in an RPG. What did all our decisions really affect in regards to the actual story climax? In the end all the paragon/renegade decisions were meaningless. Our LI was meaningless. Building alliances between races that no longer can reach each other was meaningless. The (sometimes ludicrous) optimism that Sheppard had was meaningless. The ending was a pointless footnote to our character develpoment as players. In terms of investment to the universe, I can accept it. In terms to our investment in the protagonist, then ending was an insult.
 
Is that selfish? Yes. I fought through three games to keep Sheppard alive, so he could beat the odds and have a happy ending. Is that real life? No. Is it why we play games? Yes.
 
The post-game was the last insult. There you are back on the bridge with the game telling you to keep playing. ME2 picked up after the collector mission. ME3 puts you back in time, so you can play your favorite Commander Sheppard a little more before you go back to earth and get killed/absorbed/genetically spliced/buried in rubble all over again,
 
For what it is worth, I will add my voice to the others who implore the writers to rethink this choice. This is an amazing game and series. It deserves better than this dismal epilogue.

[blackeyes677]

IndelibleJester wrote...

Dan Rosse wrote...

blackeyes677 wrote...

Over 21k votes on the poll now... That is a lot of money gained/lost.

20k votes = nearly $1mil from sales. This is HUGE 

It's more than 1,200,000.

That is a lot of cash.  Especially since the numbers just keep growing.

[PhoenixDove1]

LethesDeep wrote...

Ikikata wrote...

Kotaku aint helping us

kotaku.com/5892335/so-theres-a-fan-campaign-to-change-the-ending-of-mass-effect-3

EDIT: Ah, didn't see someone else posted it, was busy getting angry at Owen for thinking he knows whats it about when he says in the start he hasn't even bothered looking into it...

It's ok. I posted a comment with most of our grievances and set him right. Even linked him to this thread and told him to explore our opinions if he wanted to write another, more informed article.

That's good!  I think the more we can get the reviewers/critics? on our side the better right?

[cannedcream]

DifferentD17 wrote...

I'm glad the game has bad ratings on Metacritic and Amazon. User reviews of course, hopefully they will get the message.

5.0/10 on Metacritic www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-3
and
2.6/5 on Amazon www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-3-Xbox-360/product-reviews/B004FYEZMQ/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_recent

I personally gave it a bad rating, because you can't promise so much and not deliver on it.

I have no idea how to rate ME3.

See, I LOVED the game, loved nearly all of it, just that ending ruins everything I thought I had done.

But... does this make the game bad? Well... no not really. It's still one of the best games I've ever played.... but the ending is one of the must insulting half-assed pieces of crap I've ever seen, too.... so I have no clue what to do.

[DifferentD17]

blackeyes677 wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

Dan Rosse wrote...

blackeyes677 wrote...

Over 21k votes on the poll now... That is a lot of money gained/lost.

20k votes = nearly $1mil from sales. This is HUGE 

It's more than 1,200,000.

That is a lot of cash.  Especially since the numbers just keep growing.

Yeah, alot of fans that haven't bought it yet  have said  they won't buy it, they won't buy an EA games, or they will wait for a price drop. And if rating the product on online stores has anything to say about it that will lose them sales too.

[Annaleah]

Link
HA! Now he knows how we feel...

[Eirileth]

@ Koolaider

The point is, while they say those are 16 different endings depending on your choices, they really aren't. It's 3 endings with slight variances depending on how hard you worked to gather resources. On top of that, none of the endings match the Mass Effect universe... That is where the problem lies.

[blackeyes677]

Just wanted to repost this just to show how much was changed at the end. The dialogue that was cut here shows just how amazing the ending could have been. Jennifer Hale is amazing here.

vulpesetuva.tumblr.com/post/19107540704/because-were-not-all-depressed-enough-one-thing

[Kloborgg711]

Annaleah wrote...

Link
HA! Now he knows how we feel...

I don't know how to take that, but I let out a small laugh.

[Trunks Bordare]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

I just joined Twitter... Even though they support our movement here (I read it in an article written by them yesterday), IGN still gave ME3 a 9.5 and called it an amazing ending to the trilogy...

They were also given an exclusive guide on how to obtain what they still claim is 16 endings.  PR is all up in them.

You mean these 16 endings? Wow such choice. Guess this is the stance they'll take on "multiple endings."


www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Endings

[FugitiveMind]

Annaleah wrote...

Link
HA! Now he knows how we feel...

Amen, that describes exactly how I felt when I finished the game...

well the fingers part after coming here trying to figure out what the heck happened

[revaew]

Annaleah wrote...

Link
HA! Now he knows how we feel...

he almost described exactly how i have felt for the last 4 days

Modifié par revaew, 12 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[Goodwood]

Annaleah wrote...

Link
HA! Now he knows how we feel...

Though I've had my own (private, never aired-out) differences with Chris in the past, I am genuinely sorry to hear that he's feeling so bad about all this. Hell, I wish he was able to feel happy at our combined outpouring of thankfulness and adulation of a game well-made and a saga well-concluded.

I wish I could. But I can't.

Can you?

[WvStolzing]

This is for newcomers (there's quite a number of them!)----palliative for the time being

Modifié par WvStolzing, 12 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[blackeyes677]

cannedcream wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I'm glad the game has bad ratings on Metacritic and Amazon. User reviews of course, hopefully they will get the message.

5.0/10 on Metacritic www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effect-3
and
2.6/5 on Amazon www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-3-Xbox-360/product-reviews/B004FYEZMQ/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_recent

I personally gave it a bad rating, because you can't promise so much and not deliver on it.

I have no idea how to rate ME3.

See, I LOVED the game, loved nearly all of it, just that ending ruins everything I thought I had done.

But... does this make the game bad? Well... no not really. It's still one of the best games I've ever played.... but the ending is one of the must insulting half-assed pieces of crap I've ever seen, too.... so I have no clue what to do.

Here is how I view it.  Give it a bad rating, say that the game was good until the ending.  If we get a new/fixed ending, go back and change your review to relfect that.

[rianna]

Yaldo wrote...

Feel I need to add my voice as well. I had prepared a few new sheps to start me3 with since losing most of my me1 playthroughs in a computer crash. And I was planning to start a whole lot more from the beginning of me1 after finishing me3, though you probably suspect how that panned out, not really feeling any motivation to play through it all again to end up with blue space-baby-jesus demanding I choose from 3 unacceptable options because of no reason what so ever.
Up until the end I was enjoying the game immensely, quite possibly the most enjoyably gaming experience I've had in a fair few years, continuing the emotional investment from the earlier games and adding to it, I was tearing up when Mordin sacrificed himself "Because someone else might get it wrong". I actually cared about Thane, who I found to be a bit bland and cliche in me2, Liara's timecapsule for future cycles had me sobbing. My up to that point pretty much pure paragon Fshep had to punch admiral Gerrel and throw him of my ship because I was that angry with him after returning from the geth dreadnought.
Being as we are what Terry Pratchett refers to as Pan narrans, the storytelling chimpanzee, we place a lot of weight on stories, even more so when we are as invested in them as you get after spending more than a hundred hours shaping the story with your own decisions. I suspect this is part of why it hurt so badly to have all those decisions stripped away and reduced to red/blue/green, oh and by the way the galaxy you fought to save is completely altered, and the people you care about are stranded somewhere for no apparent reason.
tl:dr like so many before me, loved the game up until the end, which soured the entire me experience.

Hello, fellow Pratchett fan! Now there's a man who knows how to write an ending! I agree that most of the anger toward the ending stems from how it simply does not mesh with the narrative we, as players, have been shaping for years. The story was changed on us and it isn't one we care to tell. That feeds into the feeling many of us have expressed that we don't want to play any part of the Mass Effect series again. The ending as it stands gives significance (or lack thereof, rather) to earlier actions in a way that subverts what we thought the story meant.

I swear, if I see one more snide comment about "entitled gamers trying to make artists change their ending" I'm going to throw my beer at the wall. My problems with this fallacious "infallible artistes have the right to make whatever they want without criticism" assumption aside, what's happening here is not standard gamer whining. Anybody who spends ten minutes actually reading this thread or the poll comments can see that. I realize it's an easy kneejerk reaction, especially for anybody who dared enjoy Dragon Age 2 and has spent a year having to hear about how supposedly terrible it is, but the differences between that fan reaction and this one are blatant.

I'm also irritated by such reverence for The Story, as if it's some kind of sacrilege to change an ending because it is so roundly despised. What century do you think this is? All art -- from writing to film to video games -- is rapidly becoming a direct collaboration of artist and audience. One of the great appeals of playing video games (at least those that value narrative as equal to or more important than shooting things) is to shape a story as it unfolds. It seems reasonable, then, that the audience has a greater stake than ever before in how a piece of art is presented. Does that mean every audience complaint is valid and must be accommodated? Of course not. But when the outcry is this loud and this focused and this anguished it should not be ignored. Artists today have the wonderful opportunity to take feedback and make changes to their work! Fighting that reality smacks of the stick-in-the-mud author insisting that only a typewriter can produce a good novel. This protest is NOT the equivalent of staging King Lear with no deaths at the end; it's the fans, as co-authors, objecting to an ending they find abhorrent. Our concerns are valid and I think Bioware should respond accordingly. Simple.