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#19576
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Annaleah wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

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HA! Now he knows how we feel...


Though I've had my own (private, never aired-out) differences with Chris in the past, I am genuinely sorry to hear that he's feeling so bad about all this. Hell, I wish he was able to feel happy at our combined outpouring of thankfulness and adulation of a game well-made and a saga well-concluded.

I wish I could. But I can't.

Can you?


He didn't say what he felt bad about... that kinda worries me actually...


But he can't exactly say "Had a bad day at work because Bioware fraked up the ending to ME3 and now all the fans are in various stages of grief and anger" can he? Would be a good way to lose his job.

#19577
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TcomJ wrote...

Koolaider wrote...

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I just joined Twitter... Even though they support our movement here (I read it in an article written by them yesterday), IGN still gave ME3 a 9.5 and called it an amazing ending to the trilogy...

They were also given an exclusive guide on how to obtain what they still claim is 16 endings.  PR is all up in them.


In case you were wondering, there are technically 16 endings, although none of them seem to satisfy the way people wanted.

ENDINGS
If you imported a save where the collector’s base was saved, then these are your possible endings:
  • If your Readiness Rating is below 1,750 points, Earth is destroyed
    regardless of the choice to destroy the Reapers or become one.
  • At a 1,750 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is destroyed.
  • At a 2,050 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is saved.
  • At a 2,350 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is devastated but still there.
  • At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.
  • At a 2,800 Readiness Rating you’re able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.
  • At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.
  • At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.
If you imported a save where the collector’s base was destroyed or
you didn’t import a Mass Effect 2 save, then these are your possible
endings:
  • If your Readiness Rating is below 1,750 points, Earth is destroyed
    regardless of the choice to destroy the Reapers or become one.
  • At a 1,750 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is destroyed.
  • At a 1,900 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is devastated but still there.
  • At a 2,350 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is saved.
  • At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.
  • At a 2,800 Readiness Rating, you are able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.
  • At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.
  • At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.

[*]I have my readiness at 6341 and Anderson always got shot by me because illusive man force my shep to. I'm full paragon and have some renegade, I use paragon only, paragon/renegade, paragon/ren/normal, and Anderson still died. -_-
[*]Do you know how to choose to save Anderson?

[*]I don't. That was directly from the Prima Guide for ME3 that was working off of a ME2 imported game, and they really didn't give any tips. It didn't seem like there was an option to save him from getting shot that I've seen.

#19578
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Annaleah wrote...

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HA! Now he knows how we feel...


That's how I've felt since I finished the game.

#19579
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Annaleah wrote...

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HA! Now he knows how we feel...


Heh.

Welcome to our would, sir.

#19580
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cannedcream wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

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HA! Now he knows how we feel...


Heh.

Welcome to our would, sir.

lmao

Modifié par Olueq, 12 mars 2012 - 03:51 .


#19581
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sunnygsm wrote...

You know what I don't think they need to do much to change the endings. Really a cinematic from after Anderson dies is all you need. Throw in a better montage (more than just the quick shots of Joker etc). Add a scene with Shep and his LI as an epilogue over the grandad. And as for the final decision, to be honest I'd be content with just killing the reapers, saving earth and shep surviving.

Fans are going to have to compromise, if Bioware did redo an ending it would be less varied (not that it is varied right now), but we may only get the one revised version.


I'd be happy with this keep the as ending if you must but give us a peoper hapy end 2

#19582
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Just don't buy any ****ing dlc until they fix this crapy ending.

#19583
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didnt they tell us that we would get the story behind the Keepers? they didnt explain anything or did i miss something?

#19584
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More hilarious comments from my buddy

"Friend: another thing i am disappointed in
harbinger does not taunt you even ONCE
you don't even get to tell him to shove it up his ass before firing the crucible
Sent at 11:35 PM on Sunday
me: yeah

maybe to many people complained about his taunts
from ME2
Friend: i liked his taunts
me: I did to
lol
This hurts you...
Friend: i feel like he was warning me about the ME3 ending
Sent at 11:39 PM on Sunday
me: ROFL
holy **** r
rofl
that was perfect"

#19585
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Remember when that lady on Fox News, I think it was Fox News. Anyway this lady who was promoting her new book, she started bashing Mass Effect 1, and we all stood up and said no. Well not me at the time I wasn't so connected before, and her rating on Amazon plummeted in protest I think there were so many bad reviews that Amazon removed some that were just angry and that weren't really reviewing the book anyway. Just saying we stood up for them and now I feel the tables have turned.

#19586
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ltkos wrote...

I want an option to put my gun up to the little god child's virtual head (data core whatever) and tell him to eat **** and die, then pull the trigger.
This entire game felt like I was getting ready to hold the line against the darkness for one last great battle. The last battle feels like the charge of the rohirium (sp?) in the return of the king, are we totally outnumbered? Yup. Are most of us going to die? Yep. Ok, CHARGE! The final fight on earth was well done, epic, glorious, then the citadel happened… the god child showed up, and… my Sheppard forgot who he was, and what he was fighting for. He stopped believing that it was a better to die on your feet then live (or die) on your knees. I walked into the green beam, but I did it shooting at the little SOB the entire way. My last act of defiance… for all the good it did.


Basically, Shepard becomes Isildur?

#19587
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Anyone struck by how eerily similar this situation is to KOTOR 2? The ending of that game was almost entirely unexplained in the vanilla version. It was only until dedicated fans set to work rebuilding what had been cut because of time constraints that the game became complete.

So the moral of the story seems to be, give devs more time. I seriously doubt that the whole Catalyst scene nonsense was something planned to be there from the beginning. If it was, it probably wasn't as abrupt as it is now. I mean, let's look at the facts as we know them, from getting lased by Harbinger to the very end:

- The screen fades to white (same as the dream sequences). You can hear people yelling in the background, yet Shepard hears no more from them after that.

-Shepard is not wearing the Blood Dragon armor that I had him equipped with throughout the invasion of Earth. He is also miraculously equipped with a Carnifex that never chews through its extremely limited thermal clip.

- After traveling through the energy column, Shepard is suddenly left standing in a totally random part of the Citadel, surrounded by piles of dead human bodies. Huh? Why the hell would the Reapers wholesale slaughter so many humans without harvesting a single one? Where are all the aliens?

- Anderson is suddenly aware of what the Collector Base looked like, despite never having seen the base, nor having any ability to have seen it (no one on Shepard's team takes photo or video of it). Again, the piles of bodies makes no sense in this regard, either.

- The Citadel looks vaguely like the Shadow Broker's ship, with the moving lightning panels. Granted, the design is slightly off, but not enough so as to prove it's different.

- Anderson says that he followed Shepard, yet there seems to be only one path leading up the control station. If he were warped in ahead of Shepard, then how would he have seen the bodies? He doesn't mention seeing any, yet he does say that it looks like the Collector Base. The only other telling sign therein is the biological appearance of the base, which the Citadel clearly does not share.

- Assuming that Anderson was teleported in as well, then why is the Reaper Beam not set to send each incoming victim to a stationary point? If the delivery is random, wouldn't that pose the risk of someone finding the Catalyst area, or getting to the control panel?

- Where did TIM come from? What in the world was he doing standing in the control room? Where was he standing in the control room? I certainly didn't see him.

- There are noticeable black bars around the edges of the screen. The picture is fuzzy, and there is a definite ghostly whispering in the background. This is consistent with the dream sequences.

- What is TIM doing when he tries to control Anderson and Shepard? He looks like he's sending some kind of black energy toward them, yet this energy is never explained. His control mechanism is based on indoctrinated agents, so if Shepard is not so, then how can TIM control him? Same goes for Anderson.

- Are not Anderson and Shepard standing in open space in the control center? When Shepard ascends on the elevator, he is clearly standing in open space. No one could survive in the vacuum of space, if you recall Shepard's death in ME2.

- How is it that the Catalyst is even speaking to Shepard at all? Where is its control console? If it is corporeal somehow, where did it come from? How is it able to take the form of a child that Shepard has been obsessing over? If it is merely a program, it could not have known of the child's connection to Shepard. If it is more than a program (a Reaper), then it clearly is not telling the truth.

- Of the three choices presented, only one is an actual free action. Synthesis and Control are presented as being intrinsically more viable than Destroy. Yet, destroy is the only choice that truly defies the Reapers. The other two are a placation of the enemy.

- The Normandy is mysteriously absent from the fight on Earth. Why did it leave Sword behind? How did the squadmates I took with me in the final battle get back to the Normandy?

The whole thing just reeks of fish, to me. If anything, I'd bet that the team ran out of time to pull all the loose ends together the way they wanted, and decided to present the endings in a way that they could be revised later.

To that end, I stand with the people saying that these endings are a fight against indoctrination, or a simple blackout nightmare. The clip showing Shepard breathing fits in very well with the aftermath of Harbinger's attack, and totally refutes the idea that Shepard was actually on the Citadel. If he was, how in the world did he survive in an open vaccum after being caught in an explosion, traveling at what must have been terminal velocity upon Earth entry? Impossible. Unless of course that clip was more of a bone to the people like me, a "Make your own ending up" type of thing. That would be equal parts insulting and perplexing.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 12 mars 2012 - 03:47 .


#19588
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toots1221 wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

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HA! Now he knows how we feel...


That's how I've felt since I finished the game.


EDIT: sorry wrong post

Modifié par PhoenixDove1, 12 mars 2012 - 03:51 .


#19589
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Olueq wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

Link
HA! Now he knows how we feel...


Heh.

Welcome to our would, sir.

lmao. Yeah, kind of how we feel.


I know it has been stated countless times before, but I want them to understand that they have made an AMAZING game. I my favorite one to date. It is just....the ending just makes the entire experience feel hollow...

#19590
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Lord Deshwitat wrote...

The green is the way for me=). I only wish I could see how life became after my Shep saved everyone. I wanted more information about all races. That is the only thing lacking for me. 


With the Mass Relays gone the Krogan will die out. Their most respectable, most capable soldiers are stuck on earth / in the Sol system while their only hope, the female Krogan, sits on Tuchanka.

Quarians will never see the planet Shepard reconquered.

Asari have no possibilities cleaning up their homeplanet.

With the Mass Relays gone, no food imports for all the planets and systems that rely on it.

Humans are happy because they are the only ones sitting on their homeplanet.

The Normandy crew goes insane (same story as Jacob loyalty mission).

I'm sure I forgot a lot of other things but that is the rundown.

Modifié par Toby Shepard, 12 mars 2012 - 03:46 .


#19591
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Koolaider wrote...

TcomJ wrote...

Koolaider wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

I just joined Twitter... Even though they support our movement here (I read it in an article written by them yesterday), IGN still gave ME3 a 9.5 and called it an amazing ending to the trilogy...

They were also given an exclusive guide on how to obtain what they still claim is 16 endings.  PR is all up in them.


In case you were wondering, there are technically 16 endings, although none of them seem to satisfy the way people wanted.

ENDINGS
If you imported a save where the collector’s base was saved, then these are your possible endings:
  • If your Readiness Rating is below 1,750 points, Earth is destroyed
    regardless of the choice to destroy the Reapers or become one.
  • At a 1,750 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is destroyed.
  • At a 2,050 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is saved.
  • At a 2,350 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is devastated but still there.
  • At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.
  • At a 2,800 Readiness Rating you’re able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.
  • At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.
  • At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.
If you imported a save where the collector’s base was destroyed or
you didn’t import a Mass Effect 2 save, then these are your possible
endings:
  • If your Readiness Rating is below 1,750 points, Earth is destroyed
    regardless of the choice to destroy the Reapers or become one.
  • At a 1,750 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is destroyed.
  • At a 1,900 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is devastated but still there.
  • At a 2,350 Readiness Rating, if you choose to become a Reaper, Earth is saved.
  • At a 2,650 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers, Earth is saved.
  • At a 2,800 Readiness Rating, you are able to create synergy between organics and synthetics, saving Earth and the galaxy.
  • At a 4,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and “saved” Anderson, Shepard lives.
  • At a 5,000 Readiness Rating, if you choose to destroy the Reapers and did not “save” Anderson, Shepard lives.

[*]I have my readiness at 6341 and Anderson always got shot by me because illusive man force my shep to. I'm full paragon and have some renegade, I use paragon only, paragon/renegade, paragon/ren/normal, and Anderson still died. -_-
[*]Do you know how to choose to save Anderson?

[*]I don't. That was directly from the Prima Guide for ME3 that was working off of a ME2 imported game, and they really didn't give any tips. It didn't seem like there was an option to save him from getting shot that I've seen.

[*]You can only save Anderson in the sense that you get extra dialogue with him. He dies in any case,and Shepard will be forced to shoot him by TIM's control in any case.

#19592
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ratzerman wrote...

So Manveer is retweeting one of the Penny Arcade guys making fun of us. That's not a good sign.

yup

#19593
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ratzerman wrote...

So Manveer is retweeting one of the Penny Arcade guys making fun of us. That's not a good sign.


I'm.. kind of surprised. That's seems like a sort of childish response. If he doesn't like the huge ensemble of diehard fans asking for a suitable ending, maybe he should address them. If we're so stupid/wrong, why not tell us why? This thread is 750 pages and 2 weeks old.. and not a single Bioware response. How hard is it to say "we recognize your opinions and will respond in x days"? How can he think it's acceptable to alienate such a huge crowd of people when we're being completely honest and civil. Honestly, a LOT of people in this thread alone are opening their hearts to Bioware. People are incredibly passionate about the game, and we're tossed to the curb as a silly joke. I'm not gonna lie, seeing that got me a little ticked.

#19594
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DifferentD17 wrote...

Remember when that lady on Fox News, I think it was Fox News. Anyway this lady who was promoting her new book, she started bashing Mass Effect 1, and we all stood up and said no. Well not me at the time I wasn't so connected before, and her rating on Amazon plummeted in protest I think there were so many bad reviews that Amazon removed some that were just angry and that weren't really reviewing the book anyway. Just saying we stood up for them and now I feel the tables have turned.


I haven't turned against Bioware. It's not a me vs. them thing. I just am really shocked and hurt they ended it this way.

#19595
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Militarized wrote...

More hilarious comments from my buddy

"Friend: another thing i am disappointed in
harbinger does not taunt you even ONCE
you don't even get to tell him to shove it up his ass before firing the crucible
Sent at 11:35 PM on Sunday
me: yeah

maybe to many people complained about his taunts
from ME2
Friend: i liked his taunts
me: I did to
lol
This hurts you...
Friend: i feel like he was warning me about the ME3 ending
Sent at 11:39 PM on Sunday
me: ROFL
holy **** r
rofl
that was perfect"

yes, remember this line "shepard you have become an annoyance, you fight against inevitability, dust struggling against cosmic winds" it was a warning that no matter what we do in the game the ending would be the same....
i should've heard you Harby =(

Modifié par RussianOrc, 12 mars 2012 - 03:48 .


#19596
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Best thread ever here.

#19597
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A lot of denial still going through the forums. Wonder when the acceptance will set in. More importantly how will players/fans move on from this? What will be the repercussions?

#19598
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From the Mass Effect 2 facebook. I know they're not part of the dev team, but still...

"All of your feedback is very appreciated. We appreciate the time you all take to compose your responses, and we are taking an equal amount of time to read and consider each response. We hope that you are aware of that, and we would like you all to know that you are being heard :)."

Not much, but it's something.

#19599
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Ok, PSA time again.

Keep your heads cool, please. No flame wars.

Giant quote pyramid snips are your friends.

Hold the line!

#19600
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I don't believe "Kobayashi Maru" was the way to end this title ...
... one way to end it, but NOT every way to end it.