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#19676
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DifferentD17 wrote...

fearan1 wrote...

I feel bad for Chris and all the Bioware staff that pored there hearts into the first 99 % of the game. I suspect it was an upper management decision to end it so poorly as it is a tottaly different feel to anything in the first 3 games.

So if I sound cranky over this I apologize to all that worked so hard I just want your upper management to green light a fitting conclusion as currently it is Fonzi on water Skies for an ending .


This

It's not every devs fault just a few...


I kinda feel bad for chris as well.  He had been quiet throughot the entire week till that moment from what i could tell, and it wasnt until Forbes magazine chimed in that he became discouraged. I know that forbes carries an emmense amount of weight in any industry, and their stating that bioware lost a lot of trust would have been a major blow to anyone associated with them. I still get the feeling though that Chris, like others, is caught between EA and us.. Its a hard place to be in at the moment.  however, my personal take on it is that, no matter how regrettable  when you dance with the dervil youve chosen your partner and should expect  what comes.. its inevitable..

#19677
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They just locked that thread about the Twitter remarks. Why am I not surprised?

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Nathos wrote...

Even if they do make a DLC or a patch fixing the end, it will take a couple of months until we see it, which is kinda depressing.


Still worth it, if it means ending one of the greatest stories/video games/trilogies of all time on a proper note.

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Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

They just locked that thread about the Twitter remarks. Why am I not surprised?


I was just about to say something in that thread about how I thought Manveer's retweeting those comments was poor form considering the massive negative reaction the ME3 endings got, but yep, thread got closed.

And for oddly stated reasons, as well.

Modifié par LPPrince, 12 mars 2012 - 04:38 .


#19680
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They will pretend since everyone here is talking about it, it's some form of vindication for the end.

Fact is a good portion off the fans feel hosed. I've replayed the first two games numerous times and now because of how they decided to end it, I doubt I will again... it's killed all interest in the story. It doesn't matter what you do, who you save and the choices you make, in the end it will always feel like a slap in the face,

Sticking with the series all these years, the games and books for it to end the way it did.... basically leaves me feeling gutted and disappointed.

My hero deserved better Bioware, you've let me down as a fan and a customer.

#19681
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DifferentD17 wrote...

AnthonyF27 wrote...

I just finished the game today. One question, I took Ashley and Garrus with me when I was running to the beam... How did they end up back on the Normandy at the edge of the galaxy?

Plot hole magic


Something I also wonder is if that scene was originally to be Shepard and your L.I getting off, and was created before they did the end run. Would explain why the two times I've gone through it has been my L.I and Joker...

#19682
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Heebejeebes wrote...

Been wallowing in sorrow since I finshed the game Friday morning. I am a 25 year old male and admit I cryed hard.

I don't think I would mind the endings at all as long as the relys survive, but now Ive killed everyone in the galaxy ive grown to love over 5 years. Without the relays the Normandy crew is doomed, as are the members of each race. There is not enough room on earth for all the aliens stranded there, and without leaders the civvys on the alien homeworlds are just as doomed. If they had even given us some text cards showing the fate of each character or race I might be content at least. But as it is now...


Don't feel bad, I'm older than that, have a phd, teach at a university, and I was brought to sorrow by this "ending". Mostly, it just feels like everything was a waste and Shepard died for nothing, because like you say everyone is pretty much doomed without the mass relays.

#19683
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I wish I could indoctrinate all the people at Bioware and if I could "I KNOW THEY WOULD FEEL THIS"

#19684
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JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

Main reason why I am holding back on ending DLC hope is because whatever you've initially purchased should've had the final conclusion for the chapter. I just do not know... if they are willing to make such DLC.


This is the finally to their masterpiece. I don't think they would just let it go down in flames.


It's EA, sending IPs (and studios for that matter) down in flames is their speciality.

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Hemant: Thanks for contacting EA Help! My name is Hemant how may I help you?
you: Well
you: I really wanted to put in a complaint.
you: And I'm sure you've recieved plenty of these.
you: but this is sorta multi-tiered.
you: so if you could take a moment to listen to my ramblings and get it to the Powers that Be, it'd be appreciated.
Hemant: HI Joshua.
you: I bought the Mass Effect 3: Digital Delux Edition. I know I pre-ordered a bit later, but even then, I've been playing Mass Effect since the first game. As you can imagine, I've been a long time BioWare fan. But recently, there have been some decisions about this that really make me regret buying the game. The biggest one right now is the endings - They're just not up to Par with what you would expect with a BioWare game. They all essentially come down to "You Died. Critical Mission Failure (Or might as well be in many people's opinion.)
you: It's a dissapointing sight to see, and it's very dreadful that this was greenlit by the same company that brought us two great games (Mass Effect 1/2) in a row for the series.
you: I feel almost betrayed for spending an extra 20$ on an EA game.
you: But beyond that - and this is more Salt to the Wound - there is a 787 page topic about the Ending threat ---> http://social.biowar...916/787#9803291 <--- HERE.
you: I must ask you - why has this thread not been addressed by an official representative? Why are so many people being kept in the dark? Why is no one being spoken to?
you: Even a "We hear your concerns, and we are discussing it" would be preferred over the radio silence.
you: This is the same feeling from another BioWare game - Star Wars: The Old republic that I had.
you: And it's for this reason that I feel that, because of BioWare and EA's relationship, I'm going to swear off not only BioWare games, but also EA games.
you: I just want EA to understand that they're losing business, and the same goes doubly so for BioWare.
you: If I had realised things would be like this, I would not have bought TWO copies for the Digital Delux Edition (One for me, one for my friend)
you: I'm done ranting... are you still there?
you: A response would be most appreciated.... Though that's saying very little, with what I've seen of the forums.
you: Hello?
Hemant: I will forward your feedback to concerned department.
Hemant: Also, please post your issue on forums as well so that our developers can look into it.
you: Give me a link where you would like me to post?
Hemant: Here it is:
Hemant: http://forum.ea.com/...st/8239036.page
you: So just make a new topic?
you: Shall I copy-paste this conversation?
Hemant: Yes, please login then post your issue.
you: Thanks.
Hemant: Most Welcome.
Hemant: Is there anything else I can help you with today?

you: Nope, thank you.
you: http://forum.ea.com/...9.page#20960974
you: There's my post.
you: if you need to add it to my complaint.


So there you guys have it. That's the end of my part of yelling at BioWare/EA. They've been good to me, but until they at least try to aknowledge their customers, I can not in good conscience buy anything from them.

#19686
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Nathos wrote...

Even if they do make a DLC or a patch fixing the end, it will take a couple of months until we see it, which is kinda depressing.

Well...I guess it's better than not doing anything.
:)

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Nathos wrote...

Even if they do make a DLC or a patch fixing the end, it will take a couple of months until we see it, which is kinda depressing.



Unless of course they`ve already been working on one and this was all planned,(theres a faithfully naive part of me that believes that)

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I would personally blame it all on EA wanting an IP they can properly "exploit". To make making more games in the series easier, they NEED to have some sort of definitive simple ending that lets them basically set up the galaxy in a way that your choices do not need to be reflected in the coming games. And this is how you kill great stories.

#19689
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Oh and by the way, I talked to my stepbrother today, and this is the paraphrased transcript of our conversation-

Stepbro-"I can't believe you were playing Mass Effect 3 again."

Me-"I wasn't."

Stepbro-"Yeah you were, I heard you playing it earlier."

Me-"Oh, that was the multiplayer. I won't be playing the singleplayer for a long time unless they patch the import appearance thing from ME1 and add in some new endings."

Stepbro-"Pfft, I'm not playing it ever again."



We're two big fans of the franchise, and if you would've told me a month ago we'd be having that conversation, I'd of slapped you in the face.

#19690
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It's great to see what some of them think of us.

#19691
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LPPrince wrote...

Oh and by the way, I talked to my stepbrother today, and this is the paraphrased transcript of our conversation-

Stepbro-"I can't believe you were playing Mass Effect 3 again."

Me-"I wasn't."

Stepbro-"Yeah you were, I heard you playing it earlier."

Me-"Oh, that was the multiplayer. I won't be playing the singleplayer for a long time unless they patch the import appearance thing from ME1 and add in some new endings."

Stepbro-"Pfft, I'm not playing it ever again."



We're two big fans of the franchise, and if you would've told me a month ago we'd be having that conversation, I'd of slapped you in the face.


I know...I've had a similar discussion with my friends. Multiplayer was done quite well actually, it is fun to play.

#19692
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I can Hackett wrote...

Nathos wrote...

Even if they do make a DLC or a patch fixing the end, it will take a couple of months until we see it, which is kinda depressing.



Unless of course they`ve already been working on one and this was all planned,(theres a faithfully naive part of me that believes that)


Same. I keep hoping this is all some kind of attempt at a global anti-spoiler scheme, getting people to finish the game and after X amount of time, an update is applied and the real endings are given to us.

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I posted my initial reactions to things here a couple days ago... and after giving myself some time to think, I went back this afternoon in an attempt to perhaps get a bit more understanding, try out the different ending options, and so on. To be entirely blunt, I was trying my best to find a way to like the ending, to find some redeeming feature I had missed the first time around.

The simple truth is, I loved the vast majority of this game. Through the last scene with Anderson on the citadel, I'd have counted Mass Effect 3 as one of my favorite gaming experiences. What happens after, unfortunately, leaves the game as a massive disappointment.

Upon further reflection, it's not the sadness of the ending that gets me. It's not even the pick-a-color-of-explosion end scenes. It's the invalidation of three games worth of choices. Every decision made through the entire series... who Shepard saved, where Shepard brought peace, where Shepard caused conflict, who Shepard loved and who Shepard loathed, it all mattered for 99.5% of the trilogy. Actions had consequences. Then in one fell swoop, it's all rendered moot. Nothing that comes before the ending matters, except whether you walk left, center, or right.

I'm not going to look for places to assign blame. I'm not going to demand a free fix. I understand at the end of the day, EA/Bioware is a business and must make its decisions through that lens. I am simply saying that as a fan, and a customer, I am greatly disappointed by the fact Mass Effect 3's ending abandoned what had been, for me, the single most attractive facet of the franchise. I would willingly (indeed, gladly!) pay for DLC which addresses this shortcoming, and restores meaning to the choices a player has made along the way.

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Eirileth wrote...

OMG!! I DID SEE A CHANGE!!! After my hard work, instead of dying to the Harvester, Cortez managed to land safely!!

A small change, but a change nonetheless.


Wait Cortez can be saved please tell. I did not think that was possible.

#19695
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LPPrince wrote...

Oh and by the way, I talked to my stepbrother today, and this is the paraphrased transcript of our conversation-

Stepbro-"I can't believe you were playing Mass Effect 3 again."

Me-"I wasn't."

Stepbro-"Yeah you were, I heard you playing it earlier."

Me-"Oh, that was the multiplayer. I won't be playing the singleplayer for a long time unless they patch the import appearance thing from ME1 and add in some new endings."

Stepbro-"Pfft, I'm not playing it ever again."



We're two big fans of the franchise, and if you would've told me a month ago we'd be having that conversation, I'd of slapped you in the face.

I personally can't wait for my brother to finish the game so I can talk to him on Xbox Live and complain about it with him. He's not as big of a fan as I am, but I know he'll be upset too. He wants his little blue kids.

#19696
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LPPrince wrote...

Oh and by the way, I talked to my stepbrother today, and this is the paraphrased transcript of our conversation-

Stepbro-"I can't believe you were playing Mass Effect 3 again."

Me-"I wasn't."

Stepbro-"Yeah you were, I heard you playing it earlier."

Me-"Oh, that was the multiplayer. I won't be playing the singleplayer for a long time unless they patch the import appearance thing from ME1 and add in some new endings."

Stepbro-"Pfft, I'm not playing it ever again."



We're two big fans of the franchise, and if you would've told me a month ago we'd be having that conversation, I'd of slapped you in the face.


I feel ya, im starting a new me2 game where i kill everyone possible this time and dieing at the end and thats how im ganna end my me saga.. that or by morinth <3

#19697
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I can't bring myself ever play ME 1, 2 or 3 again. It hurts saying that because I was mega fan for ages. I just wished the last 10mins never happend.

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Why have we not gotten any responce from BW yet...

Modifié par KaiserinKai, 12 mars 2012 - 04:51 .


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ALTERNATE ENDING IDEA

Hammer group getting overrun. Anderson, realizing that this is the last best chance for victory, decides to retreat for the moment and call in all the stops. Reaper forces rally around Harbinger to prevent the allied forces from boarding the Citadel. Whatever allied forces remain close enough to report to fallback position to prepare for final assault - and will depend on choices one made in prior games as well as EMS.

As Shepard is the crux of the attack, Anderson allows him to make the call on the final assault, Speech ensues. Shep orders final attack.

Cut scenes show Elcor/Assari units attacking Reaper heavies (brutes/banshees), krogan/salarians engaging Reaper squishies (cannibals/husks), with human forces scattered withing both groups. Turians/Merc groups take flanking positions alongside Shep and his teams pushing down the middle. Rachni forces can come into play if available, and cut down on the resistence Shep faces on run to beam. Shep plays final assault in a similar manner as in ME3, but with notable assistants from his/her war assets. Final push takes longer, more enemies, things get desperate on both sides. Harby joined by other Reapers (1-3 perhaps, depending on EMS), forcing the allied forces to bunker down.

Cut scenes show heavy losses sustained in attack. Harby + Reaper buddies keeping things at bay. Shep calls in massive air support from Hackett. Turian/Quarian fleets begin bombardment of Reapers from orbit. Volus bombers join in, taking out the Reapers that joined Harby.  If EMS not high enough because the fleets were not aquired, Shep can die at this
point and game ends with cutscene of harvesting throughout the galaxy. If high enough, play resumes as forces are now able to move forward. As player gets close to the transit beam, "final boss fight" ensues.

Player fights waves of Reaper forces, getting help from war assets. If EMS not high enough, Sheps team could take casualties (all squadies part of push, similar to SM, as those not in the current Shep party help lead other allied units into battle), blah, blah, blah) or the assault can fail going to cut of Reapers harvesting and game over. After waves defeated, Shep and whatever is left of his team push toward transit beam, avoiding attacks from Harby on the way. As team approaches beam, orbital fleets - at great cost to themselves - make final assault on Harby, blowing him away while Shep angrily shouts "this hurts you!!!" (OK, added drama not necessary). Before Harby goes the way of the destroyer, he gets off one last burst that either takes out mass of allied troops or most of Sheps team (depending on EMS). Just before Shep steps into beam, he pauses and looks around at all the death and destruction whilst impressive melodramatic music plays in background. You have choice to either step right into beam and move on, or have brief convo with squaddie/LI about the sacrifices the galaxy has made, perhaps even brief flashbacks of good times with squaddies that fell in final assault if EMS not high enough, then step into beam.

Shep has final conflict with TIM, but it can be Anderson or squadmate depending on EMS/choices similar to SM in ME2 helping deal with TIM. Shep defeats TIM (though could be done as actual battle instead of cutscene convo), has chat with Anderson/Squaddie (full one, not the cut one) as Crucible docks and then decides what to do: Finish what TIM started by attempting to control the Reapers or use Catalyst to destroy Reapers (I don't see a problem with the Crucible, I can see and get behind the idea of every cycle before adding something to the HOPE of the future). As the Catalyst finishes docking, Citadel come under fire from the Reapers in orbit. Allied fleets turn on them, attempting save the Crucible project.

TIM choice ends with Shep fully indoctrinated and Reapers win. Cut scenes show harvesting, death, etc, etc.

If Shep chooses to use Catalyst, several branch points can follow due to EMS, including a few where Crucible is destroyed by the Reapers because EMS not high enough. This leads to an extended cutscene showing the Harvesting, the Citadel repaired and back in the orginal position, and after a fade to black we see a strange alien activating Liara's time machine and a few images of Shep in action before final fade-to-black. High enough EMS score allows Crucible to fire, destroying the Reapers.

Anything but EMS maxed out results in Shep sacrificing himself, staying stubbornly behind while the squad evacs, manning the Citadel defenses himself to buy enough time for the Crucible to work. Citadel ends up destroyed, but not before Crucible fires. This ends in cutscenes of Reapers being destroyed,Citadel blowing up, and galaxy mourning their dead. Final scene begins showing species working together to rebuild on various worlds (i.e. Krogans on Palaven, Salarians on new Krogan world, Geth on Rannoch, and all on Earth), and ends with Shep's surviving friends, squad, and Council attending Sheps memorial service.

Maxed out EMS has Hackett telling Shep to evac, as he and his allied fleets can (and do) keep the Reapers at bay. Shep and squad evac to Normandy, and watch as Crucible fires. Cutscenes show Reapers being destroyed before brief fade-to-black (though music continues to play, changing from victorious to melodramatic). Cuts to scene in Sheps cabin. Shep is lying in bed, hands behind head, staring blankly at the ceiling. Flashbacks with poignant music follow, showing (if they occured) Wrex's death, Virmire casualty, Saren's suicide, Hostages dying from BDtS, times with ME2 squaddies that died in SM, Mordin, Thane, Legion.... LI comes in and lays down next to Shep and asks what is wrong. Shep finally comes clean to LI about the nightmares, about seeing the faces of all he wasn't able to save. Shep goes off on the billions of lives that he said he would save but couldn't, about the worlds that are burning because he couldn't make the Council listen. Shep finally cracks from the strain of the trilogy, asking as he walks to the window with the clearly viable Earth still burning below, how he can live with him/herself for being responsible for so much death and destruction, the friends and loved ones lost in the battle. Perhaps Shep can even crack enough to collapse in the arms of his LI in tears as the pain washes over. LI says some comforting words about how many trillions survived and will continue to live thanks to Sheps efforts. Shep responds with a hollow sounding thanks and maybe another hug and kiss, depending on a player choice. Scenes then show rebuilding efforts, Citadel still in Earth orbit (Council would decide to leave it there as a monument to galactic unity), and Shep receiving honors from the Council. If Shep has no LI, Anderson can be replaced, and the dialog would change to reflect that.

Why would an ending like this be a "magical happy ending" or "rainbows and unicorns"? Just because there is an ending where Shep lives with squad and LI all alive doesn't mean that ending has to be all wrapped up in a pretty package.

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Flammenpanzer wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

AnthonyF27 wrote...

I just finished the game today. One question, I took Ashley and Garrus with me when I was running to the beam... How did they end up back on the Normandy at the edge of the galaxy?

Plot hole magic


Something I also wonder is if that scene was originally to be Shepard and your L.I getting off, and was created before they did the end run. Would explain why the two times I've gone through it has been my L.I and Joker...


Lol that would've been sooo much better, I wouldn't even care about the huge plot hole... lol Maybe a little.