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[Allworkandlowpay]

Unit-Alpha wrote...


Maybe in your universe 2 million in sales is good. Maybe even 3.

Let me tell you, 3 million in sales would kill Bioware. Based off of a basic linear regression of similar Bioware games factoring time into account and assuming that the fan reaction will be as bad as it seems to be is evident of this.

ME2 one week sales topped at about 2 million units. ME3 will be the same. Regardless of a vocal minorities internet gripes. If the big EA marketing push works, and given (likely) glowing reviews from professional critics, it may reach 5 million units for the first month. 

[WvStolzing]

I think I'll just Alt+F4 before whatever final confrontation there is.

[Chaos Reaper X]

Typically I do not post on these forums, but rather I observe and listen to people's complaints. This problem however has drawn me into the discussion.

Now I have been playing Mass Effect since it came out many years ago, and to only find out that none of my decisions and time investment are going to mean anything is the biggest slap to the face I have ever seen a developer do. Seriously, I could probably rant and fill up this entire page, however, since I am so fed up with this bulls$it, I will leave you with this.

Hey Bioware, Right here buddy.
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[Pax of Doom]

Tazzmission wrote...
thats symbolic if you think of it from a point of view. imagine your crew starnded on a world knowing there leader friend even lover is dead and they also know they will die also

its like shepard being dead the crew cant function as a team because shepard wa sin fact there voice of reason
its the best way to end it imo

These aren't little baby chicks that fell out of the nest.  They're hardened veterans who took a stand and put a boot to the overpowering invader.  Saying the Normandy crew can't function without Shepard, and should cease to exist, is like a woman about to birth twins dying "of a broken heart".

Great, Shep's big romantic line will be "I don't like sand."

[Tazzmission]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...


Maybe in your universe 2 million in sales is good. Maybe even 3.

Let me tell you, 3 million in sales would kill Bioware. Based off of a basic linear regression of similar Bioware games factoring time into account and assuming that the fan reaction will be as bad as it seems to be is evident of this.

ME2 one week sales topped at about 2 million units. ME3 will be the same. Regardless of a vocal minorities internet gripes. If the big EA marketing push works, and given (likely) glowing reviews from professional critics, it may reach 5 million units for the first month. 

i think me3 will sell alot more do to the mp

the question is though will some of the gow and cod fanbase actually understand that mp involves sp?


i mean hey for all we know they can sell 10 million there first month just on that alone

[GodWood]

xtorma wrote...
Go to bed , and dream about how you control everyone in the entire world, and everyone thinks, acts, and feels as you do.

vonSlash wrote...
There's a difference between a "childish wish fulfillment ****** fantasy" ending, a bittersweet ending, and a pointless ending. Pity that Bioware seems to like the third option most.

What's so pointless about them? The Reapers are stopped, the cylce of death has come to an end and the galaxy has been saved.

That has been the essential goal of the ME series.

Also it's not one ending, it's many endings. I know many like to perpetuate the idea that if Shepard dies in all of them then they're essentially all the same but this is completely false. Shepards choices and actions greatly shape the future state of the galaxy and just how many survive.

[yoshibb]

jellobell wrote...

jtsherrard wrote...

I think stranding shep and crew on an uninhabited planet is extreme, but makes sense that to be free of a the reapers, they have to break the chains (most of the ways the races are technologically powerful was due to Reaper tech) humans and other races paid the price for advancement by the "Reaping". They decide no Reaping, no tech. Fair trade.... But still total isolation is a bit far

But it isn't "Shep and crew" it's just the crew, leaving Shep to never see them again. I would've been fine with anything so long as you stayed with the crew. Anything.

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this but this is all I want. In fact, I wouldn't mind an ending where they all went out with a bang together. The fact that they have been separated for what seems like no reason is why I'm pissed right now.

[Stun704]

Why couldn't bioware go the Heavy Rain route with ME 3? There was like dozens of different endings for that game, from all roses to suicidal depression

[AnAccountWithNoName]

swarnick123 wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Im sure the ending is going to be similar to the end of the Princess Bride. Some grandfather (human) reading a story about the all mighty Shepard to his grandson. The last lines would be....

Kid: That was a great story grandpa...even though there was kissing in it. Can you read it to me some other time

Grandfather: As you wish......

THIS. hahaha thank you.

Of course as the end credits roll, we get the Princess Bride theme playing, though perhaps with a Mass Effect twist.

[magnuskn]

casedawgz wrote...

Replayability occurs after the sale. Tons of people are going to complete the sale. Most of the people whining here will be playing next Tuesday. The transactions will be made. After that, whatever people think of the game doesn't matter. Fan rage doesn't affect pre-owned prices, the rate at which people are buying the game new does, and to suggest that this game isn't going to sell is tantamount to suggesting that unicorns are real.

But reputation also matters. Yeah, sales for ME3 will be great, the news about these atrocious endings will not spread far enough to put a dent into those numbers.

But BioWare already is skating on thin ice after DA2 ( and somewhat for SWTOR, since a good lot of people were very disappointed with that game, too ). ME3 being another game where your choices in the end don't matter may well be the tipping point where their reputation suffered enough to turn a lot of fans off the company forever.

It certainly broke my sense of trust, which I had built up over the last decade.

[Tazzmission]

GodWood wrote...

xtorma wrote...
Go to bed , and dream about how you control everyone in the entire world, and everyone thinks, acts, and feels as you do.

vonSlash wrote...
There's a difference between a "childish wish fulfillment ****** fantasy" ending, a bittersweet ending, and a pointless ending. Pity that Bioware seems to like the third option most.

What's so pointless about them? The Reapers are stopped, the cylce of death has come to an end and the galaxy has been saved.

That has been the essential goal of the ME series.

Also it's not one ending, it's many endings. I know many like to perpetuate the idea that if Shepard dies in all of them then they're essentially all the same but this is completely false. Shepards choices and actions greatly shape the future state of the galaxy and just how many survive.

heres a shot in the dark regarding shepards death in all 3 endings

he dies regardless but what if his paragon/renagde choices decide the final outcome of the other species that have fought in the final battle?

if you think about it he is well respected by turrians, krogan, quarians according to me2

what if him dying is the symbiloic image of what humanity stands for?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 29 février 2012 - 07:50 .

[DifferentD17]

This feels like I went on a vacation, but at the end I got food poison and died.

[jellobell]

yoshibb wrote...

jellobell wrote...

jtsherrard wrote...

I think stranding shep and crew on an uninhabited planet is extreme, but makes sense that to be free of a the reapers, they have to break the chains (most of the ways the races are technologically powerful was due to Reaper tech) humans and other races paid the price for advancement by the "Reaping". They decide no Reaping, no tech. Fair trade.... But still total isolation is a bit far

But it isn't "Shep and crew" it's just the crew, leaving Shep to never see them again. I would've been fine with anything so long as you stayed with the crew. Anything.

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this but this is all I want. In fact, I wouldn't mind an ending where they all went out with a bang together. The fact that they have been separated for what seems like no reason is why I'm pissed right now.

Just you wait, in three months we'll get a "save the crew" DLC. <_<

[Tietj]

GodWood wrote...

xtorma wrote...
Go to bed , and dream about how you control everyone in the entire world, and everyone thinks, acts, and feels as you do.

vonSlash wrote...
There's a difference between a "childish wish fulfillment ****** fantasy" ending, a bittersweet ending, and a pointless ending. Pity that Bioware seems to like the third option most.

What's so pointless about them? The Reapers are stopped, the cylce of death has come to an end and the galaxy has been saved.

That has been the essential goal of the ME series.

Also it's not one ending, it's many endings. I know many like to perpetuate the idea that if Shepard dies in all of them then they're essentially all the same but this is completely false. Shepards choices and actions greatly shape the future state of the galaxy and just how many survive.

True.  But who cares about the galaxy?  My main character is dead or alone. 

It sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not.  I couldn't give a fig about some fictional galaxy or how many people in it die.  I care about the characters with names and faces and personalities that I know.  How many people watched Zombieland and actually cared that the entire world was zombified?  I cared that the main characters survived (or didn't).  Storytelling 101

[Yakko77]

GodWood wrote...

xtorma wrote...
Go to bed , and dream about how you control everyone in the entire world, and everyone thinks, acts, and feels as you do.

vonSlash wrote...
There's a difference between a "childish wish fulfillment ****** fantasy" ending, a bittersweet ending, and a pointless ending. Pity that Bioware seems to like the third option most.

What's so pointless about them? The Reapers are stopped, the cylce of death has come to an end and the galaxy has been saved.

That has been the essential goal of the ME series.

Also it's not one ending, it's many endings. I know many like to perpetuate the idea that if Shepard dies in all of them then they're essentially all the same but this is completely false. Shepards choices and actions greatly shape the future state of the galaxy and just how many survive.

I've been a fan of the story since my first play through. I love teh concept and the idea behind it.  I'm in it to stop the Reapers once and for all to be sure.

That said, I'm also a huge fan of the characters.  Tali, Liara, Garrus, etc. and what a lot of fans are rightfully concered about is that the leaks indicate things aren't ending all that well to put it mildly no matter what.  Dead or stranded aren't exactly happy endings even if for the ultimate good of stopping the Reapers.  Maybe it was too much to hope for a galactic war to end with Shep holding his/her LI while looking at the smoking and dead corpse of Harbinger and the other Reapers but this fan at least plays games for a bit of escapism and to feel good when it's all said and done.

Assuming of course these leaks are accurate and true which I am by no means 100% certain of at this point.  I'll find out for myself nexdt week...with my pre-order... NOT cancelled!  LOL!

[Jackal7713]

Tietj wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

jellobell wrote...

jtsherrard wrote...

I think stranding shep and crew on an uninhabited planet is extreme, but makes sense that to be free of a the reapers, they have to break the chains (most of the ways the races are technologically powerful was due to Reaper tech) humans and other races paid the price for advancement by the "Reaping". They decide no Reaping, no tech. Fair trade.... But still total isolation is a bit far

But it isn't "Shep and crew" it's just the crew, leaving Shep to never see them again. I would've been fine with anything so long as you stayed with the crew. Anything.

thats symbolic if you think of it from a point of view. imagine your crew starnded on a world knowing there leader friend even lover is dead and they also know they will die also


its like shepard being dead the crew cant function as a team because shepard wa sin fact there voice of reason

its the best way to end it imo

Erm... ok.  But if that's the best way to end it in your opinion, then you're welcome to choose that ending.  What people are upset about is the lack of choice when it comes to the fates of the characters we've all grown to know and love.

Right on! We are talking about a single ending here. Have the doom and gloom endings, but allow for one ending not to be all doom and gloom.

[What a Succulent Ass]

yoshibb wrote...

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this but this is all I want. In fact, I wouldn't mind an ending where they all went out with a bang together. The fact that they have been separated for what seems like no reason is why I'm pissed right now.

I'd much prefer it if everyone died at the end. I generally like what we have now, (hell, I don't even really mind the Normandy anymore) my biggest problem is that it causes me no end to squick thinking of how much inbreeding would occur. If all endings have Normandy Gilligan's Islanded, then I want the imminent MMO to have a mission that has the PC travel to Rakata Prime an uncharted garden world populated by horribly mutated mongoloids whose bones shatter at anything stronger than a slight breeze. PC then proceeds to execute them Hellgate London style.

Make it happen, BioWare!

[Yuqi]

Youknow wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Youknow wrote...

After you saved Spira, the airship was blown up and landed on an isolated island where the rest of the heroes would spend their days from the rest of society. What happened to Spira? Who cares? It "lived." 

So basically Besaid

X-2 was roses anyway.

Except the heroes could still travel back to where they needed to. 

Even X-2 managed to have better bittersweet endings than from what I'm hearing about this. I actually prefer the bittersweet "normal" ending to the "good" one in X-2. Because it makes sense, and Yuna grows as a character as a result of it. 

Yeah this ^  

I'm planning to cancel my preorder of  the N7 Edition tommorow. The one thing that would cause me to cancel my pre-order was if they used the endings. It seems they did,  so I'll wait till it's down to less then $30aud.

(Thankfully I'm now able to get the ME3 artbook via a local store; which is mostly what I was after with the N7 anyway.)

Modifié par Yuqi, 29 février 2012 - 07:55 .

[vonSlash]

GodWood wrote...

vonSlash wrote...
There's a difference between a "childish wish fulfillment ****** fantasy" ending, a bittersweet ending, and a pointless ending. Pity that Bioware seems to like the third option most.

What's so pointless about them? The Reapers are stopped, the cylce of death has come to an end and the galaxy has been saved.

That has been the essential goal of the ME series.

Also it's not one ending, it's many endings. I know many like to perpetuate the idea that if Shepard dies in all of them then they're essentially all the same but this is completely false. Shepards choices and actions greatly shape the future state of the galaxy and just how many survive.

Yes, the Reapers are stopped. However, I'd hardly call the galaxy saved if galactic civilization falls apart regardless of Shepard's choices.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but how well you've gathered War Assets matters more about how many survive than which ending you choose.

Also, I don't care too much over whether Shepard lives or dies (in fact, I think the endings would all be better with Shepard dead than alive), but since galatic civilization is demolished regardless of what Shepard chooses (which would be the result even if Sheaprd had done nothing and let the Reapers win), then the endings are still, in a sense, pointless and choosing between them, although not totally meaningless, is no more significant than choosing what flavor of ice cream to buy - it matters, but only trivially.

[albertalad]

I won't cancel my pre-order, however, if and I say if the endings are as silly as some suggest, BW will never get another red cent from me again. My money, my decisions on how and where I spend my bucks and in this day and age throwing around $100 isn't all that easy to come by. Its brutal out here BW - the economy sucks all over the world and will suck for years yet to come. You want money from me in the future then pay up for my investment I have may to YOU. This is a sf game not some artsy film made by fools and idiots for them alone. I will warn YOU BW its never a good idea to mess with YOUR fan base - gamers remember and their dollars will speak loud and clear in YOUR future. Read this BW because it is YOUR future at stake here - Sheppard and his crew are YOUR salvation. Use him and his crew wisely.

[Tietj]

Random Jerkface wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this but this is all I want. In fact, I wouldn't mind an ending where they all went out with a bang together. The fact that they have been separated for what seems like no reason is why I'm pissed right now.

I'd much prefer it if everyone died at the end. I generally like what we have now, (hell, I don't even really mind the Normandy anymore) my biggest problem is that it causes me no end to squick thinking of how much inbreeding would occur. If all endings have Normandy Gilligan's Islanded, then I want the imminent MMO to have a mission that has the PC travel to Rakata Prime an uncharted garden world populated by horribly mutated mongoloids whose bones shatter at anything stronger than a slight breeze. PC then proceeds to execute them Hellgate London style.

Make it happen, BioWare!

To be fair, there will probably not be inbreeding.  The Normandy crew are not stupid; I'm sure they know the consequences.  More likely they will live out their lives as best they can without actually creating a new generation to share in their misery.  Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Now that I think about it...I was cool with all these endings, except until I heard about the common outcome in ALL the endings:

The Normandy is effed with everyone aboard. Just....whaaaaattt? I think the fact this is forced on us no matter what other decision we've made in the past is the biggest slap in the face. There is no choice to make, no number to attain, no way to possibly influence this particular point. If they made it so you could, I would be 100% cool with what we've got. I even like the concept of destroying the relays...but not when I don't have any control over the fate of the Normandy. They could've doubled the possible endings you can have if they just made that a variable rather than set in stone. It would have also made a lot more people happier...because you get your relatively happy, united ending which is hard, but possible. Then you have a multitude of endings with varying degrees of suck. I dunno, I like it that way a lot more than this...

[Stun704]

So how can the ME Universe possibly be progressed after these endings?

[Slashice]

albertalad wrote...

I won't cancel my pre-order, however, if and I say if the endings are as silly as some suggest, BW will never get another red cent from me again. My money, my decisions on how and where I spend my bucks and in this day and age throwing around $100 isn't all that easy to come by. Its brutal out here BW - the economy sucks all over the world and will suck for years yet to come. You want money from me in the future then pay up for my investment I have may to YOU. This is a sf game not some artsy film made by fools and idiots for them alone. I will warn YOU BW its never a good idea to mess with YOUR fan base - gamers remember and their dollars will speak loud and clear in YOUR future. Read this BW because it is YOUR future at stake here - Sheppard and his crew are YOUR salvation. Use him and his crew wisely.

Word!

[Pax of Doom]

Jackal7713 wrote...
Right on! We are talking about a single ending here. Have the doom and gloom endings, but allow for one ending not to be all doom and gloom.

Amen