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[Eirileth]

Oh, something did change, this time... I got the Shepard Survives 5 second epilogue. Woohoo. Big change. But what does that mean unless they announce a new DLC to fix the endings...

[Experimentel]

 This is me if Bioware doesn't fix this maddness.
http://www.gifbin.com/984865

Modifié par Experimentel, 12 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[B33ker]

fearan1 wrote...
I feel bad for Chris and all the Bioware staff that pored there hearts into the first 99 % of the game. I suspect it was an upper management decision to end it so poorly as it is a tottaly different feel to anything in the first 3 games.
 

I dont feel sorry really.  I've seen plenty of comments and posts by him over time that were cocky and arrogant and not at all respectful to we the gamers.

I hope the PR backlash hurts them all emotionally in some form, just as badly as they hurt us emotionally with that lame ass "ending".

EA is laughing all the way to the bank though, they got our money and are earning tons of interest on it, what do they care now if we're all mad?  Answer: They don't.  There's a sucker born every minute, and for each of us that won't ever touch an EA/BW product again, there are 5 more than will.

I've warned off everyone I could that hasn't bought it yet that they might wanna reconsider their purchase if they were hoping for some sort of good ending (good here meaning, well thought out, answering all the open questions created over the entire series).

I can't wait to see if they ever respond and what sort of PR spin BS they'll try to paint over this disaster with.

[Fulerene]

Just finished my run. I went into ME3 with high expectations, with multiple playthroughs of ME1 and 2 ready to import. The first 80% of the game was amazing, in line with the excellent plots and gameplay I have enjoyed throughout the series. Then it took a nosedive. Everything I had built up was flushed down the drain by a ridiculous color choice and massive plot holes (TIM and the child felt so thrown in at the last minute and rushed). No closure at all for my heroine.

And by the way, the popup screen at the end saying Shepard was now a legend...and now buy DLC...that was a ****slap to the face. I had every intention in playing through the series again, but I feel too crushed to ever touch the Mass Effect world again. 

Disappointed doesn't even begin to describe what I feel. I would have gladly waited months/years for a cohesive and satisfying ending to the best series I have ever played. But I guess I'm the sucker, EA/Bioware has my money and at the end of the day that's their only priority. They will still sell millions of copies despite cutting corners. Forcing Origin on me was bad enough, this lack of respect for the fans ensures I won't be giving them my money again.

Thanks for countless hours of joy and excitement, sad it had to end this way.

[SkaldFish]

A friend of mine said "Now I finally know how Ralphie felt when he used the Little Orphan Annie Decoder ring to decode his first message from Annie, and it said "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

[CirusTheVirus666]

toots1221 wrote...

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

Wait a sec, I'm I hearing this right? You guys are actually willing to shell out more money just to get Bioware to fix this godforsaken mess of an ending? Are you really willing to financially reward them for messing it up the first time round?

Yes. That is how badly I want Shepard's story to have a proper ending. I'd pay for a DLC, expansion pack, heck I'd even buy another $80 game. At this point I don't care about the principle of it, I just want to stop feeling so depressed.

^^^ I am with him/her, I would sooo pay $80 or more a proper ending and/or new game. I was so disappointed that my Sheppard didn't get to fly away with his friends and disappear with them in the stars. I hope they(bioware) announce something soon, like a dlc for a proper ending, new game(that continues with sheppard finding his friends/loved ones), anything!!

[illutian]

I just wonder how many people died in the "red" ending (Destroy Synths). I mean we're talking

-Geth
-Quarrians (if the rumors of them cybernetically enhanced are true)
-Biotics (Those implants...doubt you can live without them once they're installed)
-post-Critically Wounder people (shep has a few implants that look "life critical" [see ME2]
-AIs
-VIs (ooops, there goes just about everyone on a station; the Life Support is probably run by VIs) (and everyone needing to make a FTL jump...unless you think a slide rule is going to cut it)

[B33ker]

SkaldFish wrote...

A friend of mine said "Now I finally know how Ralphie felt when he used the Little Orphan Annie Decoder ring to decode his first message from Annie, and it said "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

You need to make a meme with that and give him credit for such an awesome quote.

Thats the first time I've laughed since I completed the game and I needed that chuckle pretty badly.  Thanks!

[PhoenixDove1]

jellobell wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

Wait a sec, I'm I hearing this right? You guys are actually willing to shell out more money just to get Bioware to fix this godforsaken mess of an ending? Are you really willing to financially reward them for messing it up the first time round?

Yes. Whatever "pride" I might damage by doing so, I love this series far too much to compromise a chance to end it on a good note.

Same. In a perfect world the endings would've been everything we'd hoped for. In a slightly less perfect but still pretty good world the endings would be fixed via free DLC. But let's be realistic here, game development is expensive and if we're ever going to see a satisfying ending then we're probably going to have to pay for it. I won't enjoy doing it but I will.

I agree,  and it is expensive, if we even have a shot of getting, not just a better ending but endingS that are different, we will have to pay.  *sigh* At least this time we'll be ready for that knife through our backs.    I'm sorry, I know that's dramatic, I still hurt.

Modifié par PhoenixDove1, 12 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[cannedcream]

wicked_being wrote...
I had a dream...or was it a hallucination (*insert Shep hallucination theory here*) that Bioware will say "no we won't give you your ending dlc. Instead we will...wait for it...give you an expansion! An additional 20 hours with your Shep and squad and it also contain the real endings! We can't just leave you hanging."

And then I woke up.

I like your world better.

[rianna]

SkaldFish wrote...

Someone remarked earlier here (or on one of the other "ending" threads - can't find it at the moment) something that bears repeating. To paraphrase:

A good author enters into an implicit contract with his/her readers. We all understand this contract at a subconscious level, because we sure know when it's been violated, but we rarely think about it on a conscious level. Similarly, because the ME trilogy is all about the story, BioWare (whether they like it or not) enters into an implicit contract with ME players.

The author (BioWare) understands that the reader is making an investment of money, time, intellect, and emotion in the story. In return, the reader trusts that the author (1) will adhere to the conventions of the genre; (2) will not change the rules in the middle of the story; (3) will provide an emotionally satisfying experience; (4) will not deceive the
reader; (5) will satisfy all expectations set earlier in the story, and (6) will provide a good (not necessarily happy, but appropriate, good quality) ending.

I think these elements of trust are even more important in an immersive, interactive product like a modern RPG, because the investment can be immense in scope and depth, and that requires a LOT of trust on the part of the gamer. Yet the attitude we see reflected by BioWare is that the story is what it is, is not subject to some democratic process, and we have no right to express concerns or criticism, even though, in the case of ME3, the writer/reader contract has been seriously violated.

I feel this can’t be reflective of BioWare’s internal corporate values, so I see it (in geeky programmer terms because that's what I am) as a failure to understand that its external user interfaces (BSN, user support, social media, etc) don’t reflect its internal values — something I’ve often seen happen to companies after acquisitions or rapid growth periods.

I remember a time when this wasn’t the case, and hope, if the right people get the message, that BioWare can regain the trust we want to give it. Because they can do amazing, brilliant work, and have demonstrated it time and time again.

I certainly agree that the rules were changed, but the item that really gets me thinking is "[the author] will provide an emotionally satisfying experience." What is missing from Mass Effect 3 is catharsis, that essential element of tragedy. The death of the protagonist, either because they made a worthy sacrifice or because they were brought low by hubris, is meant to make us feel horrible and wonderful at the same time. As we've had to justify over and over to trolls and people who just haven't read a word we've said, the problem of the ending is not that it isn't happy. There were so many ways to kill Shepard and have it mean something. That's not what we got in the game.

I'm not a programmer (surprising to nobody, I'm sure, I'm a grad student in English lit), but I see what you're saying about company values versus external user interfaces. The last thing I want to do is imply that Bioware is not trying to operate from a position of goodwill toward the fans. They clearly weren't expecting this kind of outrage and I can only imagine how difficult it is to formulate a response on an individual level, let alone an official one. But unfortunately I see a combination of EA and PR spin doctors getting in the way of productive dialogue. That's why it is so important to keep our responses polite but firm; we need simultaneously to tell people who care deeply about the game and the community that we've been hurt... aaand to let the folks who only think in "$$$" know we're willing to hit them in the wallet.

By the time I post this I'm sure the thread will have jumped 20 pages. *sigh* I'm a slow writer, what can I say?

Modifié par rianna, 12 mars 2012 - 05:37 .

[Generic Name]

Just thinking about ME3's ending while playing ME1 I began to tear up at a level that has been reserved for Bruce Willis dieing in movies (???).

[UrdnotGrunty2]

Honestly I would prefer an ending where I run away to an isolated world with my LI, and not deal with the reaper threat than these endings. I just want my shepard to live happily ever after with Liara, even if everyone else dies, and yet out of all these endings my shepard can't even be with Liara in a single one of them

[Oceankhayne]

You have to register your copy to discuss the crappy ending? I guess it would be like picking up a good looking girl at a bar and later finding she has a penis. One psychologically scarring murder later, you're sitting in your chair thinking where it all went wrong. Was it when you enticed it? Was it when you bought it the extra drinks? Why didn't I see it coming?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

cannedcream wrote...

wicked_being wrote...
I had a dream...or was it a hallucination (*insert Shep hallucination theory here*) that Bioware will say "no we won't give you your ending dlc. Instead we will...wait for it...give you an expansion! An additional 20 hours with your Shep and squad and it also contain the real endings! We can't just leave you hanging."

And then I woke up.

I like your world better.

I think we all do.

[toots1221]

SkaldFish wrote...

A friend of mine said "Now I finally know how Ralphie felt when he used the Little Orphan Annie Decoder ring to decode his first message from Annie, and it said "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

I love this. One of the best laughs I've had all day.

[christrek1982]

Ivon wrote...

I just wonder how many people died in the "red" ending (Destroy Synths). I mean we're talking

-Geth
-Quarrians (if the rumors of them cybernetically enhanced are true)
-Biotics (Those implants...doubt you can live without them once they're installed)
-post-Critically Wounder people (shep has a few implants that look "life critical" [see ME2]
-AIs
-VIs (ooops, there goes just about everyone on a station; the Life Support is probably run by VIs) (and everyone needing to make a FTL jump...unless you think a slide rule is going to cut it)

never thought about it that way

[FinalEndeavor]

I'll just say this that the game is still so epic but once you hit the point after anderson's tearful departure of this world....everything seems like you were indoctrinated by bioware and they say hahahahahhaha the jokes on you

[JasonTan87]

mauro2222 wrote...

jellobell wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...

jellobell wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Why have we not gotten any responce from BW yet...

Well there was that one thread about Manveer Heir retweeting some guy's inflammatory comments but the thread got locked convieniently enough. <_<

Other than that, nothing at all since Mike Gamble's cryptic "we're listening".

Not quite true. Chris Priestly tweeted earlier about reading enough BSN posts that his heart is sick and his soul is dead. And he has a headache.

Just found that. Poor Priestly, I don't envy him his job right about now. 

They guy doesn't care. He always had an horrible attitude.

I'm sure he does, deep down inside.  

Ironically, if they managed to nail the ending (by not introducing the hocus-pocus space magic and teleporting-up-to-Normandy-flying-through-FTL crew) with some sort of closure everything would be very, very different.

I wonder why he never saw this coming. Seriously.  Some of the plot holes are as big as the Citadel. 

[infinitekilan]

cannedcream wrote...

wicked_being wrote...
I had a dream...or was it a hallucination (*insert Shep hallucination theory here*) that Bioware will say "no we won't give you your ending dlc. Instead we will...wait for it...give you an expansion! An additional 20 hours with your Shep and squad and it also contain the real endings! We can't just leave you hanging."

And then I woke up.

I like your world better.

Ah, dreams... always awesome until you wake up. Except for the times that they're not awesome.

[illutian]

christrek1982 wrote...

Ivon wrote...

I just wonder how many people died in the "red" ending (Destroy Synths). I mean we're talking

-Geth
-Quarrians (if the rumors of them cybernetically enhanced are true)
-Biotics (Those implants...doubt you can live without them once they're installed)
-post-Critically Wounder people (shep has a few implants that look "life critical" [see ME2]
-AIs
-VIs (ooops, there goes just about everyone on a station; the Life Support is probably run by VIs) (and everyone needing to make a FTL jump...unless you think a slide rule is going to cut it)

never thought about it that way

Then how about some more deep thought.

This is based off what I've read.
Apparenly i SHOOT ANDERSON because I'm mind controlled by TIM, who's mind controlled by this God-child thingy.

so...if my mind is so weak, why didn't Harbinger jump ship to me....why didn't Sov jump ship to me? I mean if a meer human-augment can MC (WoW term ftw) me then how come a Reaper couldn't.

[Eirileth]

Ivon wrote...

I just wonder how many people died in the "red" ending (Destroy Synths). I mean we're talking

-Geth
-Quarrians (if the rumors of them cybernetically enhanced are true)
-Biotics (Those implants...doubt you can live without them once they're installed)
-post-Critically Wounder people (shep has a few implants that look "life critical" [see ME2]
-AIs
-VIs (ooops, there goes just about everyone on a station; the Life Support is probably run by VIs) (and everyone needing to make a FTL jump...unless you think a slide rule is going to cut it)

Technically, AIs and VIs aren't synthetic life. They're programs. Synthetic life would begin once they obtain self awareness like EDI and Legion. So there is sitll hope for the stations and FTL jumps.

[comrade gando]

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

Wait a sec, I'm I hearing this right? You guys are actually willing to shell out more money just to get Bioware to fix this godforsaken mess of an ending? Are you really willing to financially reward them for messing it up the first time round?

Unless this backlash was all part of their insidious plan to get moar money. They probably got the true ending on standby ready to roll as soon as japan finishes up on the 15th. It's deliciously devious. In a bad way.

[Nathos]

I'm a big fan of Bioware, since i played Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2 (my 2 first Bioware games) i started to consider BW as my favorite softhouse. After finishing ME2 i played ME1 and i open a special place in my heart for ME series and BW, but then the nightmare begins, first with Dragon Age 2 which is IMO i big piece of non-sense. Not that the game is bad but it does not have anything to do with Dragon Age origins, it don't even come close to be as good as DA:O so i just finished it and let it go, i don't even bothered with DLCs since i was pretty happy with the way that DA:O ended. After a year it came Mass Effect 3, i did not watch any gameplay video to not spoil the game so i could enjoy it more, i was very happy because it also has been released on my birthday. So i started playing the game and it was awesome! The music, sounds, scenerys, characters, squadmates, LI, almost everything was smooth and perfect, it could be better if they fix some bugs and if they put back the planet exploration that we saw on ME1, but it was very good... until the ending, i already knew that a lot of people were starting to complain about the ending, but i think that it was because it ended too soon, with the reapers dead and everybody happy. But come on! FCS! I could not believe that Bioware, my favorite softhouse could do that to this amazing serie, so i came here in the forums to see if i did anything wrong and SURPRISE! The end really sucks and nothing you do will change that, after DA2 and this depressing ME3 i lost hope on Bioware, i don't know what the problem is, but the only thing i see in common with ruining series is EA (Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3, Sim City, C&C, Need For Speed, Medal of Honor, Crysis 2... etc) and i really do expect that BW release some FREE DLC or patch or whatever they think is the best. ME is the best serie of games ever made IMO, but bioware is no longer my favorite softhouse, and i refuse to support that company if they do not do anything to fix this.

Sorry for the TL;DR, i just needed to express my opinion. And since english is not my primary language just ignore if i wrote something wrong.

[infinitekilan]

Eirileth wrote...

Ivon wrote...

I just wonder how many people died in the "red" ending (Destroy Synths). I mean we're talking

-Geth
-Quarrians (if the rumors of them cybernetically enhanced are true)
-Biotics (Those implants...doubt you can live without them once they're installed)
-post-Critically Wounder people (shep has a few implants that look "life critical" [see ME2]
-AIs
-VIs (ooops, there goes just about everyone on a station; the Life Support is probably run by VIs) (and everyone needing to make a FTL jump...unless you think a slide rule is going to cut it)

Technically, AIs and VIs aren't synthetic life. They're programs. Synthetic life would begin once they obtain self awareness like EDI and Legion. So there is sitll hope for the stations and FTL jumps.

Pretty sure that in the Mass Effect canon, AI's are defined as being self-aware. EDI is an AI.