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#19926
infinitekilan

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KaiserinKai wrote...

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Signing off for the night.

Continue to hold the line for Tali's home and little blue babies.


Don't forget the Fem Sheps looking to adopt baby Krogan with Garrus~


Or keeping promises to Ash that she'll never have to lose Shep again...

And on that note, I'm off for the night as well.

Hold the line!

#19927
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GeneralGrey wrote...

I don't know about the hallucination/indoctrination theory. Seems like twisting facts to fit theories. The standard player isn't going to pick up on half of that. I feel like if that was truly the ending Bioware intended, that they would've been a bit more explicit about it.


I pretty sure remember some producer saying that Mass Effect 3 is not only for fans who played Mass Effect 1 and 2 but is also for new players who never played the other games of the series. So i think that the end is bad as it is and do not have any hidden meaning or something like that.

#19928
deathscythe517

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Just trying to spread the word but our best chance is to appeal to the lesser of two 'evils', not saying Bioware is evil, but EA is a soulless corporate entity concerned with profit. Bioware has something of an artistic ego and thus they'll probably never budge unless their superiors come down on them, so you want to get some real results? Contact EA, be polite, and hope the executives hear your concern and the (depressing) truth that you'll pay for better endings.

Let's just hope this doesn't start a new trend of 'pay for the real ending' DLC...but it can't make it any worse.

#19929
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Nathos wrote...

GeneralGrey wrote...

I don't know about the hallucination/indoctrination theory. Seems like twisting facts to fit theories. The standard player isn't going to pick up on half of that. I feel like if that was truly the ending Bioware intended, that they would've been a bit more explicit about it.


I pretty sure remember some producer saying that Mass Effect 3 is not only for fans who played Mass Effect 1 and 2 but is also for new players who never played the other games of the series. So i think that the end is bad as it is and do not have any hidden meaning or something like that.

Yep I agree and that is also a reason why I do not understand the choice they made building such kind of endings...
Fans says "hey guy all that stuff for THIS???"
Newcomers says "what the hell does this story means??? :huh:"

#19930
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infinitekilan wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Generic Name wrote...

Signing off for the night.

Continue to hold the line for Tali's home and little blue babies.


Don't forget the Fem Sheps looking to adopt baby Krogan with Garrus~


Or keeping promises to Ash that she'll never have to lose Shep again...

And on that note, I'm off for the night as well.

Hold the line!

"Or keeping promises to Ash that she'll never have to lose Shep again..."

Agreed
Night All.

#19931
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mauro2222 wrote...

Twyki wrote...

http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125 my fav ending.


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Perfect! :o


times 100! :o

#19932
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In everyone's favorite ending poll, "Fine as it is" option has dropped to 2%  :happy:

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Modifié par Tony208, 12 mars 2012 - 07:39 .


#19933
DirtyBird627

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Jackal7713 wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Generic Name wrote...

Signing off for the night.

Continue to hold the line for Tali's home and little blue babies.


Don't forget the Fem Sheps looking to adopt baby Krogan with Garrus~


Or keeping promises to Ash that she'll never have to lose Shep again...

And on that note, I'm off for the night as well.

Hold the line!

"Or keeping promises to Ash that she'll never have to lose Shep again..."

Agreed
Night All.



Yea, it broke my heart when she said "I don't want you to go" in London, after everything they'd been through. If I had known what was in store, I would have just stayed there with her.

#19934
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Bioware fans....the ultimate snobs. Always think they're entitled to everything,

#19935
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Agreed x1,000,000. It is a credit to the voice actors, animators, and even the (dare I say) writers that upon hearing Kaidan say "I can't lose you again" that I immediately had horrible and VIVID mental images of what would happen if FemShep died and he lived: bullet to the brain. That was a clear "You go, I go" if I've ever heard one. Just another reason that seeing that particular LI step off the Normandy at the end was a serious 'wtf' moment.

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babachewie wrote...

Bioware fans....the ultimate snobs. Always think they're entitled to everything,


I think we are entitled to what they promised.

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CDHarrisUSF wrote...

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However I think you were missing the point on what the "god-baby" was trying to say... he wasn't sending the reapers to kill organics, he was saying that if the reapers didn't come to wipe out the advanced organics, then the synthetics we create would destroy all organics, forever. Which is also why they made an effort to preserve them. It seemed pretty clearly presented to me.

We get what he's trying to say. It's pretty simple. The problem is that it is flawed logic and a terrible motivation to assign to the supreme threat to the galaxy after they've been built up for so long. There are so many problems with it:
  • He offers no evidence for his claim. We're supposed to just take it at face value.
  • Resolving the Quarian / Geth conflict suggests symbiosis is possible.
  • That's not the only way life can be wiped out. In fact, wiping out huge chunks of it makes organic life as a whole more vulnerable by making it less diverse, less numerous, less spread out (no space faring races means if a life bearing planet is wiped out all of those species are gone forever), etc.
  • There are better solutions. Collect DNA samples as a backup. Problem solved.
  • How does using electricity rather than chemical reactions make a being less valuable?
  • We, as Shepard, aren't allowed to speak up for the Geth or EDI or free will or diversity or anything. It's not like Shepard to just roll over.
  • If it is a problem, merging doesn't solve it. It only lasts until new life begins or more synthetics are made. If you don't think either of those could cause a problem, look at history and tension between "pure" and "mixed" races.
  • If the life being protected isn't allowed to live according to its own free will, what is the purpose of protecting life?
  • It doesn't fit the driving themes from the past two games, so it feels out of place.
  • The fact that it is so simplistic and reductive insults the intelligence of the main antagonist, which was supposed to be so must more advanced that its motives could not be understood by mere humans.

Plus, the presentation is so ****ing lazy. Blah blah blah exposition blah blah blah. Understood? Ok, now pick a color. It completely takes the wind out of the sails after all of the incredible build up toward an epic finale. Then, to top it off they really stretch logic to its breaking point in order to force your friends to end up on Gilligan's Planet. How did they get on the ship? Why did they leave you? Why were they in FTL? Why weren't they fighting? Why do none of the subplots get any closure? Everything about the ending screams bad storytelling / writing. If this were in another game, it wouldn't be as offensive... but they were soooo close.

Yeah, it's not that the explanation wasn't understandable, it's that it was at best trite and at worst nonsensical. To put it in perspective, had this been the ending of a novel manuscript submitted to an agent or publisher, it would have gone immediately into the circular file with a grunt of disgust.

If BioWare thinks we're just whining malcontents, they should have a panel of veteran science fiction writers review the plot outline/script and comment on the ending. Once the laughter died down they would have their answer.

#19938
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Lethania wrote...

Twyki wrote...

http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125 my fav ending.



Yeh read it earlier this morning. Loved it.


i agree, this is a very good fix. though i am still afraid the lack of payoff for citadel defence will go unnoticed under the mountain of other things needing it. but even just reading that ending was so much more evocative than experience the 'cannon' one.

also, fun thought, HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY LOSE WITH SO MANY PISSED OFF TALIMANCERS? AMIRITE? :P

#19939
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Cepreus wrote...

Hitchno wrote...

Femukki wrote...

http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125 best ending I've read I think its amazing honestly.


I'm Commander Shepard, and I support this ending.

It is good, oddly I'm pretty surprised at all the people on here sticking to their guns, it's a really good sign.


Good ending.



This all the way. That sums up perfectly how i, and probably most of us envisioned the ending.

Keelah sel'ai

Modifié par Blashyrkh020, 12 mars 2012 - 07:49 .


#19940
N7_Sniper91

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infinitekilan wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Generic Name wrote...

Signing off for the night.

Continue to hold the line for Tali's home and little blue babies.


Don't forget the Fem Sheps looking to adopt baby Krogan with Garrus~


Or keeping promises to Ash that she'll never have to lose Shep again...



Seconded. Come on Bioware, give ME3 the ending it deserves!

#19941
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babachewie wrote...

Bioware fans....the ultimate snobs. Always think they're entitled to everything,


I wonder if people really knows what "entitlement" means.

#19942
babachewie

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DifferentD17 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Bioware fans....the ultimate snobs. Always think they're entitled to everything,


I think we are entitled to what they promised.

what did they promise?

#19943
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shimoyake wrote...

Agreed x1,000,000. It is a credit to the voice actors, animators, and even the (dare I say) writers that upon hearing Kaidan say "I can't lose you again" that I immediately had horrible and VIVID mental images of what would happen if FemShep died and he lived: bullet to the brain. That was a clear "You go, I go" if I've ever heard one. Just another reason that seeing that particular LI step off the Normandy at the end was a serious 'wtf' moment.


Funny thing is, had we had a worthy ending I would have loved to run through with all the different romances. As it is, it just seems silly to bother.

#19944
thedistortedchild

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mauro2222 wrote...

Twyki wrote...

http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125 my fav ending.


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Perfect! :o

YES!!!! This is perfect! :wub:

#19945
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Please, Bioware.
Make this right.

#19946
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babachewie wrote...

Bioware fans....the ultimate snobs. Always think they're entitled to everything,


I paid 84$ for a game and I'm not even "entitled" to a good ending?
 
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#19947
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babachewie wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Bioware fans....the ultimate snobs. Always think they're entitled to everything,


I think we are entitled to what they promised.

what did they promise?


That our choices matter, that there would be more than one ending, the also promised an ending that ties up all loose ends, not one that makes more questions.

"We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can't say any more than that..." - Mike Gamble

#19948
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Altasi wrote...

Please, Bioware.
Make this right.


If they care about their fans, I'm sure they will. Just gotta stay hopeful.

#19949
DirtyBird627

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All these excellent fan endings. Kind of reminds me of how so many fans re-edit the Star Wars prequels. Does Bioware really want their legacy to right up there with George Lucas ?

#19950
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DifferentD17 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Bioware fans....the ultimate snobs. Always think they're entitled to everything,


I think we are entitled to what they promised.

what did they promise?


That our choices matter, that there would be more than one ending, the also promised an ending that ties up all loose ends, not one that makes more questions.

"We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can't say any more than that..." - Mike Gamble


Always have to have people that like to insult us for no reason. Can't they just go enjoy the ending and leave us alone?