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[Cor7ana]

Random Jerkface wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this but this is all I want. In fact, I wouldn't mind an ending where they all went out with a bang together. The fact that they have been separated for what seems like no reason is why I'm pissed right now.

I'd much prefer it if everyone died at the end. I generally like what we have now, (hell, I don't even really mind the Normandy anymore) my biggest problem is that it causes me no end to squick thinking of how much inbreeding would occur. If all endings have Normandy Gilligan's Islanded, then I want the imminent MMO to have a mission that has the PC travel to Rakata Prime an uncharted garden world populated by horribly mutated mongoloids whose bones shatter at anything stronger than a slight breeze. PC then proceeds to execute them Hellgate London style.

Make it happen, BioWare!

Okay, so this basically made everything better... for the moment.

[albertalad]

vonSlash wrote...

GodWood wrote...

vonSlash wrote...
There's a difference between a "childish wish fulfillment ****** fantasy" ending, a bittersweet ending, and a pointless ending. Pity that Bioware seems to like the third option most.

What's so pointless about them? The Reapers are stopped, the cylce of death has come to an end and the galaxy has been saved.

That has been the essential goal of the ME series.

Also it's not one ending, it's many endings. I know many like to perpetuate the idea that if Shepard dies in all of them then they're essentially all the same but this is completely false. Shepards choices and actions greatly shape the future state of the galaxy and just how many survive.

Yes, the Reapers are stopped. However, I'd hardly call the galaxy saved if galactic civilization falls apart regardless of Shepard's choices.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but how well you've gathered War Assets matters more about how many survive than which ending you choose.

Also, I don't care too much over whether Shepard lives or dies (in fact, I think the endings would all be better with Shepard dead than alive), but since galatic civilization is demolished regardless of what Shepard chooses (which would be the result even if Sheaprd had done nothing and let the Reapers win), then the endings are still, in a sense, pointless and choosing between them, although not totally meaningless, is no more significant than choosing what flavor of ice cream to buy - it matters, but only trivially.

I would further add then what is the point of any L1, being true to any L1 if at the end Sheppard still get nothing. Letting the Reapers win amounts to the same idiot conclusing - Sheppard loses all ways. This all seems so pointless.

[jellobell]

Tietj wrote...

To be fair, there will probably not be inbreeding.  The Normandy crew are not stupid; I'm sure they know the consequences.  More likely they will live out their lives as best they can without actually creating a new generation to share in their misery.  Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

Actually...it's pretty heavily hinted that the grandfather and little boy in the end are living in a colony created by the Normandy survivors (and who still have no FTL capability). So yeah. Inbreeding.

Modifié par jellobell, 29 février 2012 - 08:00 .

[Cor7ana]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Now that I think about it...I was cool with all these endings, except until I heard about the common outcome in ALL the endings:

The Normandy is effed with everyone aboard. Just....whaaaaattt? I think the fact this is forced on us no matter what other decision we've made in the past is the biggest slap in the face. There is no choice to make, no number to attain, no way to possibly influence this particular point. If they made it so you could, I would be 100% cool with what we've got. I even like the concept of destroying the relays...but not when I don't have any control over the fate of the Normandy. They could've doubled the possible endings you can have if they just made that a variable rather than set in stone. It would have also made a lot more people happier...because you get your relatively happy, united ending which is hard, but possible. Then you have a multitude of endings with varying degrees of suck. I dunno, I like it that way a lot more than this...

It kinda makes everything you've done feel so moot. It's like the only thing that would matter is whether or not Shepard survived the suicide mission, because no matter what, the mission will be accomplished.

Sure, I can get all of the war assets in the galaxy and make every damn alliance possible, but it feels as though even that will be moot with these endings.

[txgoldrush]

Swords and Lasers wrote...

As much as I like Bioware and the Mass Effect series, I won't be returning to this site. So many of you are so pessimistic, it's downright stupid. "Oh no, I read a rumor on the internet. Why Bioware? Why? I'm canceling my preorder." 

basically it what it is, a pissing on something they have no context over......

...meanwhile the silent majority will love this game.

[mawdudi]

I am too disappointed with the endings. No matter what choices you make in ME1,ME2 and ME3, all the endings are too similar.

Considering this is the last part of Shepards story, they could have given us several different endings ranging from happy ending with Liara to Shepard dying and Reapers killing all organic life. Since Bioware doesent have to worry about story branching.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Cor7ana wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Now that I think about it...I was cool with all these endings, except until I heard about the common outcome in ALL the endings:

The Normandy is effed with everyone aboard. Just....whaaaaattt? I think the fact this is forced on us no matter what other decision we've made in the past is the biggest slap in the face. There is no choice to make, no number to attain, no way to possibly influence this particular point. If they made it so you could, I would be 100% cool with what we've got. I even like the concept of destroying the relays...but not when I don't have any control over the fate of the Normandy. They could've doubled the possible endings you can have if they just made that a variable rather than set in stone. It would have also made a lot more people happier...because you get your relatively happy, united ending which is hard, but possible. Then you have a multitude of endings with varying degrees of suck. I dunno, I like it that way a lot more than this...

It kinda makes everything you've done feel so moot. It's like the only thing that would matter is whether or not Shepard survived the suicide mission, because no matter what, the mission will be accomplished.

Sure, I can get all of the war assets in the galaxy and make every damn alliance possible, but it feels as though even that will be moot with these endings.

I feel like I can justify everything else if I can have the Normandy with Shepard in at least one ending. The crew started this together, they should end it together. It would bring great resolution to the trilogy and make everyone come full circle: they are starting at the beginning again. Doing everything I can over the course of the games can be justified if I can defeat the Reapers, and have at my side the people who made it all worth fighting for.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Tietj wrote...

Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

The epilogue takes place on what is (at the very least heavily implied to be) the garden world. And if that dialogue is actually supposed to function as a frame...yeah. Just...yeah. ONLY SHOTGUNS CAN SAVE THEM NOW.

Quoting myself for great truth:

Random Jerkface wrote...

I'm sorry, but wasn't the current one the civilization we were fighting to preserve in the first place?

If we won't be around in any case, then why should future cycles be of our concern?

Because we were fighting for existence, not civilisation. The moment the reapers entered the Milky Way, civilisation as the galaxy knew it was doomed. Sovereign said it best: [the reapers] are the end of everything. Hell, as much as I despise the line, Shepard encapsulated it with "We fight or we die." If the combined forces of the galaxy lose this war, they will be exterminated -- in the unlikely eventuality that they win, they will have to pick up the pieces, but through sacrifice, at least current life and all future life will be forever safe from the reaper threat...safe to build a future of their own. I actually really like it; it's a great way to tie into ME1 (sacrifice is what made the protheans so awesome), and even more so when you realise the Crucible plans are the combined effort of every cycle that came before. It's beautiful, really.

Now, what I don't agree with is the Normandy. Until I see it for myself, it just seems bad in every possible respect. If they were trying to affect the player with the same sense of fragmentisation and loss the rest of the galaxy would be feeling, they should have just blown the Normandy the f*ck up. The messiah epilogue frame story arse pull is just horrendous all around, and thinking of what establishing a colony would entail is just...the fridge horror. Good lord.

Other than that, I'm going to love the sh*t out of this game.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 29 février 2012 - 08:06 .

[Juniper Mucius]

My guess is that if all of the endings have the relays become shut off, then there is an out-of-game reason for that.

Which would probably be the plot for a 4th installment.

[Tietj]

jellobell wrote...

Tietj wrote...

To be fair, there will probably not be inbreeding.  The Normandy crew are not stupid; I'm sure they know the consequences.  More likely they will live out their lives as best they can without actually creating a new generation to share in their misery.  Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

Actually...it's pretty heavily hinted that the grandfather and little boy in the end are living in a colony created by the Normandy survivors (and who still have no FTL capability). So yeah. Inbreeding.

Then why aren't they all Asari?  You'd think that eventually, a species that lives a thousand years, which can breed with any other species and have Asari children, would eventually become the dominant one.

[albertalad]

If, and I say if, the endings are as leaked by individuals who have offered no real proof then the final mission is a Sheppard solo mission for him and his crew to be as separate as those so called leaks suggest. There is no other way for Sheppard and L1s/crew to be ripped apart as suggested.

[Eterna]

Stun704 wrote...

So how can the ME Universe possibly be progressed after these endings?

Spoiler:

It can't.

 

[Tazzmission]

ok i saw the photo and i like it

[Cor7ana]

Tietj wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Tietj wrote...

To be fair, there will probably not be inbreeding.  The Normandy crew are not stupid; I'm sure they know the consequences.  More likely they will live out their lives as best they can without actually creating a new generation to share in their misery.  Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

Actually...it's pretty heavily hinted that the grandfather and little boy in the end are living in a colony created by the Normandy survivors (and who still have no FTL capability). So yeah. Inbreeding.

Then why aren't they all Asari?  You'd think that eventually, a species that lives a thousand years, which can breed with any other species and have Asari children, would eventually become the dominant one.

Pardon me, but this all sounds like mediocre fanfiction.

[Stun704]

Seems like Bioware got the tones of the trilogy mixed up,it should have been ME1 - Good guys win but evil still lurks, ME 2- Reapers kicks ass. There is a tragic ending with a major sacrifice being made on the galactic scale. The sacrafice gives organics a fighting chance in ME 3, ME 3- Suicide Mission to end the Reapers once and for all (like how ME2's mission is but a lot more epic and challenging and way more difficult to attain a perfect ending but still attainable.

Modifié par Stun704, 29 février 2012 - 08:08 .

[DoNuTwInGs]

If all these rumors are true on the endings, all the faith and trust that I have for Bioware, that they built up themselves, will be completely gone. After Dragon Age 2 and this, if all this is true, I will personally avoid all Bioware games in the future, and recommend all my friends do the same.

Thank god for CD Projekt Red popping up and introducing me to quality games like The Witcher 2. They will have all my story driven game faith.

[jtsherrard]

Either way, the road traveled will be fun....depressing, yet fun. As anything on here, im just going to take any leaks with a grain of salt. Bioware gave NDAs to all space editions. If leaks occured, im sure lawsuits will follow, but I could tell people I had a space edition and the space monkeys are the true saviors of the galaxy with the fact they have a superweapon and people couldnt disprove me unless they tried to use the "nooozzz, I haz space editionz!!" I know some seem credible. But lets just play the game. Dont want to chance it? Wait a bit, let others try it out for you.

[casedawgz]

Tietj wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Tietj wrote...

To be fair, there will probably not be inbreeding.  The Normandy crew are not stupid; I'm sure they know the consequences.  More likely they will live out their lives as best they can without actually creating a new generation to share in their misery.  Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

Actually...it's pretty heavily hinted that the grandfather and little boy in the end are living in a colony created by the Normandy survivors (and who still have no FTL capability). So yeah. Inbreeding.

Then why aren't they all Asari?  You'd think that eventually, a species that lives a thousand years, which can breed with any other species and have Asari children, would eventually become the dominant one.

So the survivors just mutually decide that Liara should become their communal babymaker? Come on. 

[Juniper Mucius]

casedawgz wrote...

Tietj wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Tietj wrote...

To be fair, there will probably not be inbreeding.  The Normandy crew are not stupid; I'm sure they know the consequences.  More likely they will live out their lives as best they can without actually creating a new generation to share in their misery.  Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

Actually...it's pretty heavily hinted that the grandfather and little boy in the end are living in a colony created by the Normandy survivors (and who still have no FTL capability). So yeah. Inbreeding.

Then why aren't they all Asari?  You'd think that eventually, a species that lives a thousand years, which can breed with any other species and have Asari children, would eventually become the dominant one.

So the survivors just mutually decide that Liara should become their communal babymaker? Come on. 

Has anyone thought about what this would do to the Citadel?  Those people are all doomed.

[jellobell]

casedawgz wrote...

Tietj wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Tietj wrote...

To be fair, there will probably not be inbreeding.  The Normandy crew are not stupid; I'm sure they know the consequences.  More likely they will live out their lives as best they can without actually creating a new generation to share in their misery.  Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

Actually...it's pretty heavily hinted that the grandfather and little boy in the end are living in a colony created by the Normandy survivors (and who still have no FTL capability). So yeah. Inbreeding.

Then why aren't they all Asari?  You'd think that eventually, a species that lives a thousand years, which can breed with any other species and have Asari children, would eventually become the dominant one.

So the survivors just mutually decide that Liara should become their communal babymaker? Come on. 

Maybe she offs herself before that can happen. 

[DifferentD17]

jtsherrard wrote...

Either way, the road traveled will be fun....depressing, yet fun. As anything on here, im just going to take any leaks with a grain of salt. Bioware gave NDAs to all space editions. If leaks occured, im sure lawsuits will follow, but I could tell people I had a space edition and the space monkeys are the true saviors of the galaxy with the fact they have a superweapon and people couldnt disprove me unless they tried to use the "nooozzz, I haz space editionz!!" I know some seem credible. But lets just play the game. Dont want to chance it? Wait a bit, let others try it out for you.

The person who had the spacer edition uploaded a pic of his PS3 copy with his username on a napkin under it. A little bit more legit than. "I hAz Space Editionz!", But of course he could still be lying.

[CrimsonNephilim]

I'd just like to know what is up with Bioware's love of twist endings.

Spoilers:













DAO: Warden disappears. No one knows what happened to him/her.

DA2: Self explanatory plus same ending as Origin. Hawke disappears and no one knows where he/she went.

Then we get Mass Effect 1 & 2. Both have "perfect" endings and everyone for the most part is happy. Then ME3 comes around and we're back to the twist. I have no issues whatsoever over the fact that this is a war, losing people is a given. But then if we work our butts off to get the "best" ending, it seems like one GIANT slap in the face with what happens to the Normandy crew.

Yes, its a war and horrible, crappy things will happen but was it really hard to just give us an ending (among the other options) where the crew (those who survived) is still together with Shepard. After what Shepard had to go through in the past 2 games, plus what will happen in 3, would it be such a bad thing to leave Shepard with the people who have become practically a family to him/her? Or at least part of the crew, like Joker and LI.

[incinerator950]

Cor7ana wrote...

Tietj wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Tietj wrote...

To be fair, there will probably not be inbreeding.  The Normandy crew are not stupid; I'm sure they know the consequences.  More likely they will live out their lives as best they can without actually creating a new generation to share in their misery.  Unless the ending specifically states otherwise, which would be ridiculous.

Actually...it's pretty heavily hinted that the grandfather and little boy in the end are living in a colony created by the Normandy survivors (and who still have no FTL capability). So yeah. Inbreeding.

Then why aren't they all Asari?  You'd think that eventually, a species that lives a thousand years, which can breed with any other species and have Asari children, would eventually become the dominant one.

Pardon me, but this all sounds like mediocre fanfiction.

Sad isn't it?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

txgoldrush wrote...

Swords and Lasers wrote...

As much as I like Bioware and the Mass Effect series, I won't be returning to this site. So many of you are so pessimistic, it's downright stupid. "Oh no, I read a rumor on the internet. Why Bioware? Why? I'm canceling my preorder." 

basically it what it is, a pissing on something they have no context over......

...meanwhile the silent majority will love this game.

There, someone had to do it.

[txgoldrush]

How is all the character development through the entire three games pointless? Even going by these endings, that is the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Lets see, the theme of ME3 is victory through sacrifice as stated by developers.

Shepard being broken from his crew to save the universe would be that sacrifice. That means he has to let all the characters he befriended for three games go, either through his death or the seperation of the crew.

That would I don't know, make a lot of sense.

Think about it, life is about the journey NOT the destination...why? because the only proven destination is death.