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[Rothgar49]

I've just tried to replay ME3, the parts that were good (except last 10mins) and i just can't do it .

[BCMakoto]

Eirileth wrote...

Have we heard anything from BioWare yet...? If so, could someone PM me what they said? I'm on my iPhone on break at work and don't really have time to try and scroll through looking for the answer... I've started losing sleep over this so I'm feeling even worse now than I did before when I beat it. I thought I'd be feeling better by now...

Nothing as of yet. They do not want to spoil it for people, so I guess we won't hear about it for another few days.

[DifferentD17]

I almost wish ME3 stopped right before the ending. Firefly is one of the best TV series and since it was canceled there are only more fans.

[mulder1199]

Eirileth wrote...

Have we heard anything from BioWare yet...? If so, could someone PM me what they said? I'm on my iPhone on break at work and don't really have time to try and scroll through looking for the answer... I've started losing sleep over this so I'm feeling even worse now than I did before when I beat it. I thought I'd be feeling better by now...

done

[Toby Shepard]

rethas wrote...

"First off, they don't all lose everything. The Quarians have a home. The Krogan get to start over. They're NOT all going to die. For a while they are going to be limited to their own cluster."

I get quite a different result from the events personally.

The Quarian fleet is stranded in the Sol system with no mass relays, that's pretty much the entire Quarian race as it is mentioned several times that the civilian ships are part of the space battles throughout the game. Meaning re-claiming their home was meaningless for the most part.

The Krogan leadership is also stranded on Earth, meaning the clans will go back to warring states. Meaning the decisions I made were worthless.

Earth now has a massive population to feed of various different alien races and little to no industry left as the planet has been decimated, I would imagine this would lead to mass starvation.

Sure they could build one relay but then how do you build the relay at the opposite end? Travel millions of light years and take all the resources with you?

You were happy with your ending that's cool, obviously by the huge amount of posts far beyond that of normality a lot of people weren't.

Exactly. And as I mentioned a few pages back, systems which rely on import will diminish as well.
The game made it pretty clear that building a Mass Relay is very much impossible for the species at the time ME takes place - with all progress over thousands of years lost, it would simply take too long to get to the point where "we" were and even improve on that. It is not possible.
Apart from that the space kid would never accept the destruction of all Mass Relays as a viable alternative if we could just build them ourselves in a few decades.

To be honest at this point I don't even care wether the ending as it is stays that way or not - back to the Dark Ages? Sucks but okay. The problem is that the space kid makes no sense. Everyone knows that one day we will all be eradicated - at the latest when our own sun dies - probably earlier because we destroy our own planet.
But why would the solution be killing us before we kill each other?
Or turning us into a different species? We would still fight each other.
Or take away our technology? We would still kill every intelligent form of life on our planet.

The only argument would be "but species who are not as advanced as we are will survive and start the new cycle" - 
they would start the new cycle anyway because neither Asari, nor humans, nor Krogan, nor Quarians, nor Geth give a crap about the fish swimming in Shepards quarters.

Modifié par Toby Shepard, 12 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[Graywolf633]

This. ^^ This is PURE WIN! First real laugh I've had since finishing ME3. I'm thankful I found it on here. Thanks for posting. 

Modifié par Graywolf633, 12 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[wonkying]

Just adding this player from Denmark to the choir of dissatisfaction...

[N7L4D]

Alliance network= you get actually ending when its released everywhere to avoid spoilers, all of you are being indoctrinated!!!! Hahaha I always dreamed of saying that

[Lurchibald]

QwibQwib wrote...

LPKerberos wrote...

QwibQwib wrote...

https://twitter.com/...124596996448256

Would be nice if 28954 people would also get it...

The most annoying part is that we have to wait to hear her analysis..

She's talking about the dream/whatever thread http://social.biowar...dex/9727423/177

[Cyberionius]

RavenWoodRCOM wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/

" the issue is that after 100 hours of story driven gameplay across three
games, the end is split into three rather nonsensical choices, and
picking each of them results in largely the same ending which is light
on resolution and not what most fans were looking for from their beloved
series. One fan aptly described it as if Star Wars was wrapped up with
the final moments of 2001: A Space Odyssey."

Kudos to whoever thought that comparison up. Seriously.

[DifferentD17]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

cantido21 wrote...
I just don't understand why they would do this, even from a financial perspective.  Why would I the player be inclined to buy any DLC when the last usable save is before the last mission?  For what reason on this earth would I put money into a game where I know that regardless it doesn't change the end of it.  In ME2 the dlc fite very nicely into the cannon, it was fun to play both during and after the end of the game.
I had such faith in you Bioware, the endings of the first 2 games (especially 1) would be the sole reason that i would play through it all over again, just to experience the chills of watching Joker and the Normandy scream into battle (which was something else we didn't really get that was very much hinted at in the cinematic trailer).  I'll never forget how friends and I sat around discussing this game and how it would be impossible for them to make additional money on it if they make it so something so terrible happens where you cannot play after the ending.
I will never ever let you fool me again if this is how you build up a game that calculates over 1000 decisions to give everyone a unique play instance.  I'm not jumping on board ever again, I spent too much money buying collector editions and merchandise.  I'm done, enjoy your partnership with EA, you've become the fan hating monster that they are.
I would gladly retract everything if you released a proper ending, one that makes me want to actually play through again (I'm not wasting my time with all the other playthroughs I built up) and did it for free, not a litle text based ending, but one where you haul all the voice actors back in and do it in a whay I can stand up from my chair, arms in the air knowing that the reapers are conquered and I'm heading to Rannoch to help Tali build a house just like her father said he was going to do.  Until then, i'm not buying any stupid DLC, I'm uninstalling this game and heading out to dark space, see you in 50,000 years.
PS - I hope you learned your lesson from letting George Lucas into your studio for 15 min.

I really don't understand either, I almost don't ever want to play it again after the ending.

In my case I haven't even started ME3 yet. I put on my Tali shirt and N7 hoodie  and wore it all week  before release in preparation of this game and was ready to go, but like so many here I just had to know why people were up in arms about the endings, so I read them and I'm glad I did it.  I would of been... well very unpleasant to be around had it came as a surprise and I came here only to find out the truth after beating the game.
Now many are saying everything up to that point is amazing, so that there gives me motivation to start my playthrough, but that voice in the back of my head is saying do even bother. I'm gonna play it... soon.  
But being on here is way better than what's waiting on that disc
I need a hug.

Lol I put on my Mass Effect shirt on too.
You need to play it for Tali then, Her romance scenes are soooo sweet, just stop right before the end of course...

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Bionic Weapon wrote...
In my case I haven't even started ME3 yet. I put on my Tali shirt and N7 hoodie  and wore it all week  before release in preparation of this game and was ready to go, but like so many here I just had to know why people were up in arms about the endings, so I read them and I'm glad I did it.  I would of been... well very unpleasant to be around had it came as a surprise and I came here only to find out the truth after beating the game.
Now many are saying everything up to that point is amazing, so that there gives me motivation to start my playthrough, but that voice in the back of my head is saying do even bother. I'm gonna play it... soon.  
But being on here is way better than what's waiting on that disc
I need a hug.

*Paragon interrupt bro-hug*

You should play it. The game is indeed worth it up to the last parts.
Just make sure you make peace with the geth.

[mulder1199]

Vynar Drace wrote...

I might pay if they fix then endings because I have put so much into this series as a player but I would feel like a bad person for letting them take my money. But I would then not buy anymore Bioware games easily. I would have to have proof that there is no B.S. This ending, Dragon Age 2 being half finished, and some of the stories of TOR's customer service (I don't think the game is bad.)

i always assumed there would be DLC, and that i would buy it.....i'm a little put off that they did it this way (forcing some to buy it) but i'll still take it i guess


my question would be.....will these dlc's help with the other questions the end brings, about your squaddies and LIs....not just where shep lands?

[dreaming_raithe]

I want to write a long, well-argued dissertation about how unsatisfactory the ending was, but...I find that my enthusiasm for the series is so drained now that I can't--and I only played 2 and 3 (because I only own a PS3). I can't imagine how those of you with Shepards spanning all three games feel. What follows is a somewhat emotionally charged response, but I hope it ends up mostly on the level. I truly loved the game aside from the ending, and my biggest disappointment is that the ending doesn't live up to the greatness of the series itself.

The ending provided no closure. The choices presented to us didn't take into account anything we had done leading up to them. Primarily, it doesn't matter what we did with the geth and the quarians. The Shepard I know would have used the example of peace between these two races to argue against the Catalyst's logic and demand another way. The impossible has never stopped her before. It shouldn't have done so in the ending, either.

Because any choice Shepard makes destroys the Mass Relays, we're left with the uncomfortable fact that the more effort we put into building up our galactic fleet, the more of the galaxy we doom. FTL travel isn't viable other than to reach close star systems. In the game-mechanical sense, there aren't even any near Sol.

For my Shepard's alliance, that means the turians, the krogan, the quarians, the geth, the asari, and countless other smaller fleet contributions (presumably many of the teams that worked on the Crucible, like the salarians and the rachni ended up at the battle in some capacity) are all stuck in the Sol system, which includes only one (perhaps two, if you drastically alter Mars) habitable planet.

This is especially troublesome for the turians and the quarians, who cannot consume the same food as the other races. They'll have to rely on the resources of their ships, and when those run out, they're doomed. For the quarians in partcular, who brought nearly the entirety of their civilization to the battle, they'll be nearly wiped out. So much for having won back their homeworld and brokered peace between them and the geth, I suppose.

No doubt across the galaxy there are now colonies that survived on trade with other systems that will eventually be drained of resources and die out because they're cut off from their supply lines now. Galactic civilization is dead, as is the majority of advanced civilization.

This is true for any of the endings, really. And it ultimately means that the Reapers won. They got what they wanted. Organic life can't be wiped out in a system like this, at least not until someone develops new Relay-like technology, which should take at least as long as the 50,000 year cycles Shepard may have put a stop to. In the "Paragon" option, it's likely that the cycles will repeat themselves, so the victory was only short-lived--far from the rallying cry of ending the Reaper threat once and for all that the entire series is predicated on. The neutral synthesis option is a logical quagmire that only works through space magic, and ultimately means you've excepted the inevitability of the Catalyst's logic--this isn't something that Shepard would do. Excepting inevitability just isn't her modus operandum.

That really leaves us with the "Renegade" option to destroy the Reapers. That's the closest thing to any sort of actual, permanent victory we achieve. But in the process, it undermines at least two of the choices Shepard may have made in the game. You destroy the geth, even if you saved them, meaning the choices you made on Rannoch didn't matter. Instead of using them as the example to fight against the Catalyst's circular logic, Shepard again suddenly no longer cares about fighting for the impossible. You also destroy EDI (though she can magically end up on the Normandy--more on that below).

And as noted above, all of these choices ultimately doom most of your fleet. If you cured the genophage, it doesn't matter. Tuchanka is a nuclear wasteland that presumably survived due to trade with other star systems. It can't do that now. The krogan will likely die out eventually. My Shepard didn't even cure it, so they're definitely going extinct. The quarians will never see their homeworld in any real capacity. Their geth allies, who were working to allow them to live without suits within a matter of years rather than generations, may have very well been destroyed, perhaps dooming those few quarians that didn't join the fleet. The whole outcome really leaves you wondering how many of the choices you made really mattered. After we were promised divergent endings taking into account the choices we made, these endings that scarcely take them into account feel like as much of a betrayal as shooting Mordin in the back on Surkesh.

Then we get the next scene: Joker frantically trying to outrun the beam from the Crucible and finally being sucked in and deposited on some weird garden world. Never mind why he was running away from the battle or why he was anywhere near the Mass Relay in Sol (five whole orbits away from Earth). With his brittle bones, it's likely he only survives in the Synthesis option, though I suppose it might depend on which of your squadmates end up with him. (Tali and Garrus, for instance, will simply die eventually due to starvation, so they won't be able to help him much).

I'm not entirely sure how those squadmates are determined. In my playthrough, Liara and Garrus, who should have been at the battle for Earth, somehow got back to the Normandy after the rush to the Conduit. Did they retreat? Did Garrus abandon me, even though he said he never would leading up to the battle? I can't figure it out.

As a whole, the ending left me with far more questions than answers. We were told all of the dangling threads would be brought to a close leading up to the game's release. We didn't get that. We still don't know why Haestrom's sun was exploding early. (Well, we do: it's a relic of the original script idea of dark energy being the reason behind the Reapers harvesting life). And on top of that, we got a whole bunch of other dangling threads now. Do the members of your fleet somehow survive and manage to return to their respective homeworlds? Who is included among the stranded crew of the Normandy? Can they even survive on this random planet? Does the choice to destroy all synthetic life truly eliminate the geth? The scene here can theoretically include EDI, so there's some conflict here. If you choose the option to control the Reapers, do they inevitably return at the end of the next cycle? Did the Mass Relays being destroyed actually wipe out their star systems, and if not, why?

We know that Shepard is theoretically alive with the Destroy option and enough war assets (which is painstakingly hard to achieve if you don't dive into multiplayer, which is another frustration entirely). Given that her crew abandoned her, though, what good is that? We spent hours upon hours building relationships with and being an inspiring leader to the Normandy's crew, and they were truly the most important part of the game. And our ending splits them up for no reason whatsoever (since Joker had no good reason to be fleeing the battle).

I'm not even of the opinion that we needed a completely happy ending. There are many ways in which it would be thematically appropriate for Shepard to give her life in the final battle. No doubt much of galactic civilization would suffer heavy losses--whole cultures were likely to be wiped out or nearly so. But we didn't get any closure. As best we can tell, nearly everyone is going to die. Some sliver of live will undoubtedly survive, to start the next cycle, but it won't be the life we fought to save, in the end.

Halfway through Mass Effect 3, I'd decided that this series had overtaken Assassin's Creed as my favorite of this console generation. I'd never played something so magnificently awesome, and I couldn't wait to finish the game, see how it all unfolded, and begin playing my other two Shepards to see how their choices would create an ending ultimately different from my first one. Once I beat the game, I lost all the enthusiasm I once had for the setting and for the series. I can't bring myself to start a new file game another Shepard because ultimately, I know the series' conclusion isn't affected by their choices in any significant way.

We were lied to about what this game was supposed to be. I don't expect Bioware to fix it at this point. I'm not sure I can justify spending money on downloadable content to see what happens next. I can't trust the company anymore. I've been a fan since the first Baldur's Gate, and I actually really liked Dragon Age II, even. But I now feel like my faith in the company has ultimately been misplaced because they'll mislead and outright lie in order to build hype for their game and get us all to order so many Collector's Editions (my copy being one of them) that they sell out.

This ended up being much longer than I thought it would be. My perspectives aren't even particularly unique, I suppose. But I felt the need to add my voice to the cosmic fugue, I guess.

[Scott Sion]

Not happy with the endings in Mass Effect 3? Did you think there was too may plot holes? Hoping Shepard might have a chance at happiness? This is the group for you. Support portal page below.

The #RetakeMassEffect movement does not in anyway condone attacks or insults on Bioware, EA, Bioware employees, or anyone associated with them. We are not here to make enemies. We are here to show a company that their devoted fanbase has been hurt, and alienated with some of their actions, and to ask for an explanation, and hopefully a solution.

Several members of the ME team are suffering from attacks on their Twitter and social networking sites. Rude, and inflammatory remarks are UNACCEPTABLE. Anyone found to be contributing to such activities will be removed from the #RetakeMassEffect movement without warning.

Remember, we aren't going to use threats and unlawful acts to get are point across. Threats only ruin our cause.

HOLD THE LINE!

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[Matt_gekko88]

One does not simply make super-awesome trailers in combination with a totally screwed ending.

[KHReborn]

RavenWoodRCOM wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/

I see it the same way the author does.

[mulder1199]

plnero wrote...

Not happy with the endings in Mass Effect 3? Did you think there was too may plot holes? Hoping Shepard might have a chance at happiness? This is the group for you. Support portal page below.

The #RetakeMassEffect movement does not in anyway condone attacks or insults on Bioware, EA, Bioware employees, or anyone associated with them. We are not here to make enemies. We are here to show a company that their devoted fanbase has been hurt, and alienated with some of their actions, and to ask for an explanation, and hopefully a solution.

Several members of the ME team are suffering from attacks on their Twitter and social networking sites. Rude, and inflammatory remarks are UNACCEPTABLE. Anyone found to be contributing to such activities will be removed from the #RetakeMassEffect movement without warning.

Remember, we aren't going to use threats and unlawful acts to get are point across. Threats only ruin our cause.

HOLD THE LINE!

Group link: http://social.bioware.com/group/7047/

Support page portal: http://social.biowar...scussion/20518/

Social Networks to follow:

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it's been mentioned in so many other threads alluding to this, but the above point needs to be rehashed..........no threats, no personal attacks, no the the way to get the point across....

[alienatedflea]

anyone ever wonder that maybe Shep is dead to begin with when he meets the child?? I mean he and the child is in SPACE....isnt that how Shep dies in ME2...No Oxygen?? just a thought...

[mulder1199]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

One does not simply make super-awesome trailers in combination with a totally screwed ending.

trailers got me excited, game play thus far has been great (i've always been one to overlook little bugs and things) but 5 years and 2.8 games are undone in the last 0.2

[Sywen]

Forbes has our back...at least didn't paint us as immature fanboys.

[Alamandorious]

QwibQwib Wrote:
Understandable, only thing I hate about all this, and don't get me wrong, I support this 99%,. The thing I dislike is that there's no respect for devs. and about "demanding" we have no right to demand anything, we have the right to ask and plead.



@QwibQwib Actually, a few decades ago, customers had the right to demand replacement to an inferior product.  It's been a gradual shift in modern thinking that customers have no rights.

We aren't asking them to replace the whole game, just the last part of it.  I really respect them for what they did with the bulk of the game, we all do, it was epic...we just think they disrespected us with the final 'endgame' part.

Modifié par Alamandorious, 12 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[Kartzaz]

I was thinking to play this game second time trough, but i don't know anymore.. i so sad about that end, everyone dies or they are trapped somewhere. That virtually boy, sovereign and harbinger was right one think that cycle cannot be broke, we can only change it. Change is that civilization is not dissappear but they start all over, rebuild and rise again.

I hope there is coming somekind DLC where we can end this game like we want.
My english is not best, but hope you understand my point

Modifié par Kartzaz, 12 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[Dargus007]

I wish I could yell at someone over at bioware. It's just as childish and useless as this post, I know.

But if I could yell at someone, in person... They could see the anger in my eyes. Hear my voice crack. Watch me comicly fumble over curse words as the stress brings out my speach impeadiment.

Sure, they'd laugh all the way to the bank, but I'd feel like at least someone had heard me. And I think I'd feel a little better.

Instead, I'm left with depositing a bit of text in a database on some server.

Still:

Lore has established that detonating a mass relay kills the system. So, I killed most of the galaxy.

The Normandy escaped through a relay to a new planet. With my Liara onboard. I survived, but my inurys may kill me soon (I'm a bloody meat hunk), if the exploding mass relay doesn't turn me to ash in a few seconds. Even in the best case, and now mass effect relay explosions aren't that bad...  assuming I do get medical attention, I'll never see her again. Or the child I potentially fathered. In order to live out my days on a planet that now has to sustain a Massive stranded army, I had to rob Joker of his happiness, the Geth and EDI of their life, and the Quarians a means of rapid re-intergration with their planet.

But those that escaped on the Normandy? They die too. Roughly 15 humans, a quarian, a turian, and an asair isn't enough to sustain a population. Lots of inbreeding on the way.

and WHY? So that we can stop the synthetics from killing the organics so the organics won't kill synthetics because they are afraid synthetics will kill organics (wonder where oganics got this idea, it's not like synthetics kill all organic life every 50,000 years). EVENTHOUGH, I just brokered a peace between the Quarians and Geth. So, Stupid!

Ok. I'll Stop here, otherwise I'll end up writing a book.

Sorry for the caps, guys.

Bioware will not get anymore money from me, starting now.

I don't feel any better.