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Alamandorious wrote...


Understandable, only thing I hate about all this, and don't get me wrong, I support this 99%,. The thing I dislike is that there's no respect for devs. and about "demanding" we have no right to demand anything, we have the right to ask and plead.


Actually, a few decades ago, customers had the right to demand replacement to an inferior product.  It's been a gradual shift in modern thinking that customers have no rights.

We aren't asking them to replace the whole game, just the last part of it.  I really respect them for what they did with the bulk of the game, we all do, it was epic...we just think they disrespected us with the final 'endgame' part.

Fair enough.

[cerberus1701]

rethas wrote...

"First off, they don't all lose everything. The Quarians have a home. The Krogan get to start over. They're NOT all going to die. For a while they are going to be limited to their own cluster."

I get quite a different result from the events personally.

The Quarian fleet is stranded in the Sol system with no mass relays, that's pretty much the entire Quarian race as it is mentioned several times that the civilian ships are part of the space battles throughout the game. Meaning re-claiming their home was meaningless for the most part.

The Krogan leadership is also stranded on Earth, meaning the clans will go back to warring states. Meaning the decisions I made were worthless.

Earth now has a massive population to feed of various different alien races and little to no industry left as the planet has been decimated, I would imagine this would lead to mass starvation.

Sure they could build one relay but then how do you build the relay at the opposite end? Travel millions of light years and take all the resources with you?

You were happy with your ending that's cool, obviously by the huge amount of posts far beyond that of normality a lot of people weren't.

Quarians: I cant imagine (because it makes no sense) that  every single Quarian (Or every single Geth, for that matter) is on that armada. Geth have a functioning society on Rannoch. Quarians have dreamed of home for generations. *Some* would have stayed.

Those alien races can feed themselves. The Quarians did it after hauling out of Rannoch BSG style. The others can do it to. It's going to be hard going for a while, but it's doable.

The Krogan? It was strongly implied that Eve and the other Krogan females were basically taking over the show.

Relay: My point being that it's perfectly reasonable to believe that these programs were in progress for years. in secret.

The Citadel relay? Still there. Relay 2? Who knows? A secret STG lab makes sense to me.


"obviously by the huge amount of posts far beyond that of normality a lot of people weren't."

And a lot of people are irrational. A lot of people here are ticked for no real reason. They want it all spoonfed to them. They don't realize that:

A) It's basically sufficiently open to build your own ending.

Even if it weren't, this story wasn't about Shepard's buddies making it. Or even him making it.

[DifferentD17]

dreaming_raithe wrote...

I want to write a long, well-argued dissertation about how unsatisfactory the ending was, but...I find that my enthusiasm for the series is so drained now that I can't--and I only played 2 and 3 (because I only own a PS3). I can't imagine how those of you with Shepards spanning all three games feel. What follows is a somewhat emotionally charged response, but I hope it ends up mostly on the level. I truly loved the game aside from the ending, and my biggest disappointment is that the ending doesn't live up to the greatness of the series itself.

The ending provided no closure. The choices presented to us didn't take into account anything we had done leading up to them. Primarily, it doesn't matter what we did with the geth and the quarians. The Shepard I know would have used the example of peace between these two races to argue against the Catalyst's logic and demand another way. The impossible has never stopped her before. It shouldn't have done so in the ending, either.

Because any choice Shepard makes destroys the Mass Relays, we're left with the uncomfortable fact that the more effort we put into building up our galactic fleet, the more of the galaxy we doom. FTL travel isn't viable other than to reach close star systems. In the game-mechanical sense, there aren't even any near Sol.

For my Shepard's alliance, that means the turians, the krogan, the quarians, the geth, the asari, and countless other smaller fleet contributions (presumably many of the teams that worked on the Crucible, like the salarians and the rachni ended up at the battle in some capacity) are all stuck in the Sol system, which includes only one (perhaps two, if you drastically alter Mars) habitable planet.

This is especially troublesome for the turians and the quarians, who cannot consume the same food as the other races. They'll have to rely on the resources of their ships, and when those run out, they're doomed. For the quarians in partcular, who brought nearly the entirety of their civilization to the battle, they'll be nearly wiped out. So much for having won back their homeworld and brokered peace between them and the geth, I suppose.

No doubt across the galaxy there are now colonies that survived on trade with other systems that will eventually be drained of resources and die out because they're cut off from their supply lines now. Galactic civilization is dead, as is the majority of advanced civilization.

This is true for any of the endings, really. And it ultimately means that the Reapers won. They got what they wanted. Organic life can't be wiped out in a system like this, at least not until someone develops new Relay-like technology, which should take at least as long as the 50,000 year cycles Shepard may have put a stop to. In the "Paragon" option, it's likely that the cycles will repeat themselves, so the victory was only short-lived--far from the rallying cry of ending the Reaper threat once and for all that the entire series is predicated on. The neutral synthesis option is a logical quagmire that only works through space magic, and ultimately means you've excepted the inevitability of the Catalyst's logic--this isn't something that Shepard would do. Excepting inevitability just isn't her modus operandum.

That really leaves us with the "Renegade" option to destroy the Reapers. That's the closest thing to any sort of actual, permanent victory we achieve. But in the process, it undermines at least two of the choices Shepard may have made in the game. You destroy the geth, even if you saved them, meaning the choices you made on Rannoch didn't matter. Instead of using them as the example to fight against the Catalyst's circular logic, Shepard again suddenly no longer cares about fighting for the impossible. You also destroy EDI (though she can magically end up on the Normandy--more on that below).

And as noted above, all of these choices ultimately doom most of your fleet. If you cured the genophage, it doesn't matter. Tuchanka is a nuclear wasteland that presumably survived due to trade with other star systems. It can't do that now. The krogan will likely die out eventually. My Shepard didn't even cure it, so they're definitely going extinct. The quarians will never see their homeworld in any real capacity. Their geth allies, who were working to allow them to live without suits within a matter of years rather than generations, may have very well been destroyed, perhaps dooming those few quarians that didn't join the fleet. The whole outcome really leaves you wondering how many of the choices you made really mattered. After we were promised divergent endings taking into account the choices we made, these endings that scarcely take them into account feel like as much of a betrayal as shooting Mordin in the back on Surkesh.

Then we get the next scene: Joker frantically trying to outrun the beam from the Crucible and finally being sucked in and deposited on some weird garden world. Never mind why he was running away from the battle or why he was anywhere near the Mass Relay in Sol (five whole orbits away from Earth). With his brittle bones, it's likely he only survives in the Synthesis option, though I suppose it might depend on which of your squadmates end up with him. (Tali and Garrus, for instance, will simply die eventually due to starvation, so they won't be able to help him much).

I'm not entirely sure how those squadmates are determined. In my playthrough, Liara and Garrus, who should have been at the battle for Earth, somehow got back to the Normandy after the rush to the Conduit. Did they retreat? Did Garrus abandon me, even though he said he never would leading up to the battle? I can't figure it out.

As a whole, the ending left me with far more questions than answers. We were told all of the dangling threads would be brought to a close leading up to the game's release. We didn't get that. We still don't know why Haestrom's sun was exploding early. (Well, we do: it's a relic of the original script idea of dark energy being the reason behind the Reapers harvesting life). And on top of that, we got a whole bunch of other dangling threads now. Do the members of your fleet somehow survive and manage to return to their respective homeworlds? Who is included among the stranded crew of the Normandy? Can they even survive on this random planet? Does the choice to destroy all synthetic life truly eliminate the geth? The scene here can theoretically include EDI, so there's some conflict here. If you choose the option to control the Reapers, do they inevitably return at the end of the next cycle? Did the Mass Relays being destroyed actually wipe out their star systems, and if not, why?

We know that Shepard is theoretically alive with the Destroy option and enough war assets (which is painstakingly hard to achieve if you don't dive into multiplayer, which is another frustration entirely). Given that her crew abandoned her, though, what good is that? We spent hours upon hours building relationships with and being an inspiring leader to the Normandy's crew, and they were truly the most important part of the game. And our ending splits them up for no reason whatsoever (since Joker had no good reason to be fleeing the battle).

I'm not even of the opinion that we needed a completely happy ending. There are many ways in which it would be thematically appropriate for Shepard to give her life in the final battle. No doubt much of galactic civilization would suffer heavy losses--whole cultures were likely to be wiped out or nearly so. But we didn't get any closure. As best we can tell, nearly everyone is going to die. Some sliver of live will undoubtedly survive, to start the next cycle, but it won't be the life we fought to save, in the end.

Halfway through Mass Effect 3, I'd decided that this series had overtaken Assassin's Creed as my favorite of this console generation. I'd never played something so magnificently awesome, and I couldn't wait to finish the game, see how it all unfolded, and begin playing my other two Shepards to see how their choices would create an ending ultimately different from my first one. Once I beat the game, I lost all the enthusiasm I once had for the setting and for the series. I can't bring myself to start a new file game another Shepard because ultimately, I know the series' conclusion isn't affected by their choices in any significant way.

We were lied to about what this game was supposed to be. I don't expect Bioware to fix it at this point. I'm not sure I can justify spending money on downloadable content to see what happens next. I can't trust the company anymore. I've been a fan since the first Baldur's Gate, and I actually really liked Dragon Age II, even. But I now feel like my faith in the company has ultimately been misplaced because they'll mislead and outright lie in order to build hype for their game and get us all to order so many Collector's Editions (my copy being one of them) that they sell out.

This ended up being much longer than I thought it would be. My perspectives aren't even particularly unique, I suppose. But I felt the need to add my voice to the cosmic fugue, I guess.

Lol it is a bit longer than you said it would be...  I was just thinking this could've been the year ME got alot of Game of the year. With the ending I was wondering if Assassins Creed 3 would beat it now. I don't know how good AC3 will be, but every year AC is up for Game of the Year and AC3 will be alot better then AC revelations and brotherhood.

[The_Canadian_Dragon]

ShoeHornOPlenty wrote...

Ive seen a lot of ppl who I believe assume that because we hate the ending that it means that we also hated the game. I think ME3 was actually a very very good game with some amazing emotional moments that was a great conclusion to the trilogy. The problem is that when you finish what was a very touching scene with Anderson you get sent to what can only be described as what should have been an ending to a completely different game.

Its obvious Bioware had a more original and satisfying ending involving dark energy and scrubbed it due to leaks and this was their plan B. Unfortunately it makes no sense in the canon of the series and ultimately makes any and every choice from all 3 games completely meaningless.

Love the games and had hoped after the DA2 fiasco they would have learned their lessons but it looks like they trolled us hard with this abomination.

Exactly! I loved the game, glitches and all,and would happily replay it more than a dozen times (literally) if it wasn't for the ending that totally invalidates the entirety of three games' worth of choices.

[cerberus1701]

Dargus007 wrote...

I wish I could yell at someone over at bioware. It's just as childish and useless as this post, I know.

But if I could yell at someone, in person... They could see the anger in my eyes. Hear my voice crack. Watch me comicly fumble over curse words as the stress brings out my speach impeadiment.

Sure, they'd laugh all the way to the bank, but I'd feel like at least someone had heard me. And I think I'd feel a little better.

Instead, I'm left with depositing a bit of text in a database on some server.

Still:

Lore has established that detonating a mass relay kills the system. So, I killed most of the galaxy.

The Normandy escaped through a relay to a new planet. With my Liara onboard. I survived, but my inurys may kill me soon (I'm a bloody meat hunk), if the exploding mass relay doesn't turn me to ash in a few seconds. Even in the best case, and now mass effect relay explosions aren't that bad...  assuming I do get medical attention, I'll never see her again. Or the child I potentially fathered. In order to live out my days on a planet that now has to sustain a Massive stranded army, I had to rob Joker of his happiness, the Geth and EDI of their life, and the Quarians a means of rapid re-intergration with their planet.

But those that escaped on the Normandy? They die too. Roughly 15 humans, a quarian, a turian, and an asair isn't enough to sustain a population. Lots of inbreeding on the way.

and WHY? So that we can stop the synthetics from killing the organics so the organics won't kill synthetics because they are afraid synthetics will kill organics (wonder where oganics got this idea, it's not like synthetics kill all organic life every 50,000 years). EVENTHOUGH, I just brokered a peace between the Quarians and Geth. So, Stupid!

Ok. I'll Stop here, otherwise I'll end up writing a book.

Sorry for the caps, guys.

Bioware will not get anymore money from me, starting now.

I don't feel any better.

"...  assuming I do get medical attention, I'll never see her again. Or the child I potentially fathered."
 
So...you know for sure  that this planet is not within FTL range of *anything*?

[LetheAlethe]

Bionic Weapon wrote...


In my case I haven't even started ME3 yet. I put on my Tali shirt and N7 hoodie  and wore it all week  before release in preparation of this game and was ready to go, but like so many here I just had to know why people were up in arms about the endings, so I read them and I'm glad I did it.  I would of been... well very unpleasant to be around had it came as a surprise and I came here only to find out the truth after beating the game.
Now many are saying everything up to that point is amazing, so that there gives me motivation to start my playthrough, but that voice in the back of my head is saying don't even bother. I'm gonna play it... soon.  
But being on here is way better than what's waiting on that disc
I need a hug.

*SPOILER WARNING JUST IN CASE*

Play the game, right up until the mad dash for the beam to the Citadel, and then just hard exit out of the game. Imagine the rest. I wish I'd known.

[mulder1199]

Kartzaz wrote...

I was thinking to play this game second time trough, but i don't know anymore.. i so sad about that end, everyone dies or they are trapped somewhere. That virtually boy, sovereign and harbinger was right one think that cycle cannot be broke, we can only change it. Change is that civilization is not dissappear but they start all over, rebuild and rise again.

I hope there is coming somekind DLC where we can end this game like we want.
My english is not best, but hope you understand my point

you can write in whatever language you wish as long as you are on board with getting some closure

[Bionic Weapon]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...In my case I haven't even started ME3 yet. I put on my Tali shirt and N7 hoodie  and wore it all week  before release in preparation of this game and was ready to go, but like so many here I just had to know why people were up in arms about the endings, so I read them and I'm glad I did it.  I would of been... well very unpleasant to be around had it came as a surprise and I came here only to find out the truth after beating the game.Now many are saying everything up to that point is amazing, so that there gives me motivation to start my playthrough, but that voice in the back of my head is saying do even bother. I'm gonna play it... soon.  But being on here is way better than what's waiting on that disc :(I need a hug.

*Paragon interrupt bro-hug* 
You should play it. The game is indeed worth it up to the last parts.Just make sure you make peace with the geth.

Thanks I appreciate it man!  and thats what I plan on doing.  After talking with Legion,  I'm  not about to just let an oprrotunity for them to coexist to go to waste, its just not my style. 
Anyway  it's time to look at the good and forget about the bad. 
Tomorrow is my day to play.... That rhyme was unintentional.

Modifié par Bionic Weapon, 12 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[Colancio]

Graywolf633 wrote...



This. ^^ This is PURE WIN! First real laugh I've had since finishing ME3. I'm thankful I found it on here. Thanks for posting. 

This.

[Garathe]

www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/12/how-bioware-could-find-redemption-using-mass-effect-3/

For those who might have missed the article posted

[Menthro]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...In my case I haven't even started ME3 yet. I put on my Tali shirt and N7 hoodie  and wore it all week  before release in preparation of this game and was ready to go, but like so many here I just had to know why people were up in arms about the endings, so I read them and I'm glad I did it.  I would of been... well very unpleasant to be around had it came as a surprise and I came here only to find out the truth after beating the game.Now many are saying everything up to that point is amazing, so that there gives me motivation to start my playthrough, but that voice in the back of my head is saying do even bother. I'm gonna play it... soon.  But being on here is way better than what's waiting on that disc :(I need a hug.

*Paragon interrupt bro-hug* 
You should play it. The game is indeed worth it up to the last parts.Just make sure you make peace with the geth.

Thanks I appreciate it man!  and thats what I plan on doing.  After talking with Legion,  I'm  not about to just let an oprrotunity for them to coexist to go to waste, its just not my style.
Anyway  it's time to look at the good and forget about the bad. 
Tomorrow is my day to play.... That rhyme was unintentional.

Have fun out there man, enjoy every single bit of the game, and then turn off your console/computer right when you get lasered by soveriegn.

[Rheinlandman]

Sywen wrote...

Forbes has our back...at least didn't paint us as immature fanboys.

EA stock is down over 40 cents today.  Been on the decline for a while, and for a Flagship release like ME3 you would expect some pick up but there hasn't been any.

This hurts you EA.

I'd rather have Forbes on our side than Kotaku.

[Toby Shepard]

cerberus1701 wrote...

And a lot of people are irrational. A lot of people here are ticked for no real reason. They want it all spoonfed to them. They don't realize that:

A) It's basically sufficiently open to build your own ending.

Even if it weren't, this story wasn't about Shepard's buddies making it. Or even him making it.

Yep because they paid someone to spoon-feed it to them.
At the end of the day it probably would have been better to not buy the game at all and just imagine the rest of the story ourselves - everyone would be happier.

[Dipress]

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[CoreValues]

dreaming_raithe wrote, I want to write a long, well-argued dissertation about how unsatisfactory the ending was, but...I find that my enthusiasm for the series is so drained now that I can't--and I only played 2 and 3 (because I only own a PS3). I can't imagine how those of you with Shepards spanning all three games feel. What follows is a somewhat emotionally charged response, but I hope it ends up mostly on the level. I truly loved the game aside from the ending, and my biggest disappointment is that the ending doesn't live up to the greatness of the series itself.

Well i have been a fan since ME1 and i just finished ME3 and i thought that it was very impressive but like most of you i also feel let down, robbed, betrayed and more than a little angry. I used my save before entering the citadel and tried all 3 endings not 1 was any good shep dies anderson dies and the normandy crashes on some planet with 2 moons with joker liara and the prothean whose name i can't remember in the final screenshot. Has anyone managed a different ending and how did you do it also has anyone had a happy ending or is this it multiple shepards created from scratch (ME1) just to get the most poor ending. Why bioware why? all that awesomeness waisted. WTF!

[demonpo]

Dipress wrote...

WTF??
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[tay2208]

Just got this from another forum, this guy makes some VERY good points. I still have a little faith after reading this.  Credit goes to "ddman12".



First of all I would like to make it clear this not a troll post or trying to get peoples' hopes up. I genuinely, 100% believe we are going to be getting an expansion, and it was their plan all along. Here is my argument:

1.) Bioware Comments- Pre-launch, Bioware told us to make sure we keep our saves. That gives us the insight that Bioware definitely has plans to do more ME games. It does not mean ME4 because we all know that Commander Shepard's story is wrapping up with ME3. Post-launch, Michael Gamble said that if we knew what they had planned we would keep our ME3 game forever. He later said in another tweet that he wasn't talking about DLC. What else could he possibly mean besides an expansion?

2.)Bioware's History- I'm talking specifically about the fact that they have done expansions with their earlier games. We loved BG2, They gave us BG:TOB, We loved DA:O, specifically the warden. They gave us DA:A to continue his/her story since DA:O was the only game with the warden. We love Mass Effect and Commander Shepard. This is his/her last story. They are going to reward us with more, just like before. Not to mention the fact that they also have a good history with ending their games(IMO). In BG:TOB they gave that character the greatest ending possible. In Kotor, they gave us a great LS AND DS ending.DA:O's ending was epic. DA2's ending was......well forget about DA2. But ME1 and ME2's endings were also pretty good. This company knows how to end their games.

3.)It's Good Business- Yes I said it. It is good business. I'm a 40 year old man who has been playing video games since Pong. I'm also a business owner who has been in the corporate world for over 20 years. Suits love money. Suits will do anything possible to suck every last dime out of a product while they can. So if you're sitting in EA's shoes, how do you maximize profit out of the last game in a franchise. Answer, you do what they did in Harry Potter and Twilight. You split it up and make even more money. You make your customers so hungry for more that they're willing to pay any price to get more product. They also figured they would build good will with their customers when they announce the expansion. We as customers always, always want more. Why would they purposefully anger their customers with an incomplete ending? Answer, they probably thought they left enough clues about an expansion and had no idea of the poop storm that came there way. I think everyone is still so full of emotion that we weren't picking up the clues that are right in front of our face. I was like that too until last night so I'm not bashing anyone for it.

4.) Indoctrination Theory- Also known as the hallucination theory. People seriously need to go to that thread and check it out. It makes perfect sense as to why Shepard's experience in the citadel wasn't real. They're doing good work over there.

5.) The Endings and the Leak- The endings themselves are proof to me of an expansion. 2 of the 3 options end in Shepard's death. In ME2, if you didn't get the upgrades and help your companions it was possible albeit unlikely that you could fail your mission. In ME3, if you don't get your assets up or make the wrong choice in the end you fail your mission. The game highlights(as displayed by using Anderson) no it practically screams out for you to take the destroy option. This is the only way to end up with a Shepard who's alive. This is so you can continue your journey in an expansion. This is also why in a NG+ and you take the destroy option you automatically see the scene where shepard is alive. They are telling us what they want us to do. There must be a reason for this, and that reason is....Expansion!!!! We're all aware of the leak. The changes from the leaked script and what was in the game are negligible. Do you really think that Bioware would take the chance that their Mona Lisa could be ruined? The reason the game did not have wholesale changes and a delay is because they knew it didn't matter. They knew there was going to be an expansion to get the real ending so they saw no need to make big changes. Bioware is smart, they know not everyone is going to buy the expansion. However, when you know you are going to make an expansion, you still have to end the game in a way that allows for that expansion but still gives players a quasi-ending.

6.)Unresolved Citadel Plotlines- This is my guess and not based on facts so bear with me. I believe that we will be forced to take the citadel. It makes absolutely no sense that the citadel has a mechanism that can defeat the reapers and it would be completely unguarded. There also was no boss battle in ME3. The citadel is where we will face that boss. The art book says "we wanted to give players the satisfaction of fighting a character they know rather than a random creature." This is on page 20 of the art book. I don't remember a boss battle, do you? Not to mention the fact that after 3 games of annoyance and frustration, do you really think that Bioware would not let us see the fate of the Citadel Council? I don't think so. Also, Ashley's sister was on the citadel when it was taken, do you really think that she would not say anything about it? I really don't think so. Commander Bailey is still on the citadel and I'm sure we'll run into him as well.

7.) The Prothean- This may be my weakest argument (and I'm sure you'll let me know) because I haven't played with him in my party yet. Even though I have the CE, in my idiocy I forgot to download the damn code into Origin. From what I've read in the forums, at some point he says he is the catalyst. Because he's a DLC character, he cannot be the deciding factor in the defeat of the reapers. However, in an expansion where the from ashes DLC is magically included(frickin suits) and you have an auto save where you can still pick him up b/4 going to Earth, that no longer is a problem for those that didn't have him in there original playthrough.

8.) Normandy- We all know Joker and the crew, We all know that there are absolutely zero circumstances in which the crew would desert Shepard. We know this. Bioware knows this. Bioware knows we know that Bioware knows this. There are even some audio files where Joker aids us while we're on Earth. How much do you want to bet those files appear in the expansion?

9.)Future Games- If the endings stayed as is, there would be no more ME games. Who wants to play a ME game where there is no citadel and no mode of transportation to reach the entire galaxy. One of the strengths of the game are the diversity of the species and characters we come across. Without those things, there would be no reason to play anymore. That's something the suits will not allow. I guarantee it.

10.) Shepard is alive!- The simple fact that he/she is alive guarantees an expansion. Do you really think that they're going to end Shepard's story with a breath? C'mon folks we're better than that. Remember in Kotor when our identity was revealed and most of us were shocked? I was kicking myself after that because the clues were there all game. Don't be Revanized once again! The biggest clue however is:

11.)Teaser Trailer- They gave us a freakin teaser trailer for the expansion!!!! The old man says ok, one more shepard story. Repeat after me. ONE MORE SHEPARD STORY!!!!! I'm actually angry at myself for not realizing this right away. I'm sure they'll release some DLC to tide us over until the expansion comes out but it Will happen . So come on BSN, pick your chin up off the floor and get excited again. We're going to get to play our shepard's again.

Modifié par tay2208, 12 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[rethas]

cerberus1701 wrote...

rethas wrote...

"First off, they don't all lose everything. The Quarians have a home. The Krogan get to start over. They're NOT all going to die. For a while they are going to be limited to their own cluster."

I get quite a different result from the events personally.

The Quarian fleet is stranded in the Sol system with no mass relays, that's pretty much the entire Quarian race as it is mentioned several times that the civilian ships are part of the space battles throughout the game. Meaning re-claiming their home was meaningless for the most part.

The Krogan leadership is also stranded on Earth, meaning the clans will go back to warring states. Meaning the decisions I made were worthless.

Earth now has a massive population to feed of various different alien races and little to no industry left as the planet has been decimated, I would imagine this would lead to mass starvation.

Sure they could build one relay but then how do you build the relay at the opposite end? Travel millions of light years and take all the resources with you?

You were happy with your ending that's cool, obviously by the huge amount of posts far beyond that of normality a lot of people weren't.

Quarians: I cant imagine (because it makes no sense) that  every single Quarian (Or every single Geth, for that matter) is on that armada. Geth have a functioning society on Rannoch. Quarians have dreamed of home for generations. *Some* would have stayed.

Those alien races can feed themselves. The Quarians did it after hauling out of Rannoch BSG style. The others can do it to. It's going to be hard going for a while, but it's doable.

The Krogan? It was strongly implied that Eve and the other Krogan females were basically taking over the show.

Relay: My point being that it's perfectly reasonable to believe that these programs were in progress for years. in secret.

The Citadel relay? Still there. Relay 2? Who knows? A secret STG lab makes sense to me.


"obviously by the huge amount of posts far beyond that of normality a lot of people weren't."

And a lot of people are irrational. A lot of people here are ticked for no real reason. They want it all spoonfed to them. They don't realize that:

A) It's basically sufficiently open to build your own ending.

Even if it weren't, this story wasn't about Shepard's buddies making it. Or even him making it.

Also a lot of people aren't irrational, sure some responses are but there are hundreds of well thought out points and concerns here.

You are correct both of our opinions are just speculation.

However another major reason people aren't happy is plot holes: Squad mates in the final squad, how did they end up on the Normandy crashed on what appears to be a distant planet? How does the Normandy end up at the Sol Mass Relay in the first place?

For me and for many others it isn't just that I didn't get a "happy ending". Its that to many of us the ending does not make sense nor fit with the game.

I don't get why people feel the urge to state hey be happy with the ending or similar points such as "build your own ending".
 
I'm not telling you "Don't be happy with the ending" or "Hey don't build your own ending" I don't think I've read one post that states in a derogatory manner that those who are happy and have found closure are morons or whatever word you'd like to use in comparison.

Yet the same can't be said for the opposite of the later.

Modifié par rethas, 12 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[Elanor]

demonpo wrote...

Dipress wrote...

WTF??
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Facepalm indeed. <_<

[dreaming_raithe]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Lol it is a bit longer than you said it would be...  I was just thinking this could've been the year ME got alot of Game of the year. With the ending I was wondering if Assassins Creed 3 would beat it now. I don't know how good AC3 will be, but every year AC is up for Game of the Year and AC3 will be alot better then AC revelations and brotherhood.

Yeah, once I got started, it just kind of flowed. I don't have many friends to talk about the ending with, as I'm one of the only ME players I know, so being able to properly vent my frustrations has been difficult. I was pretty invested in the game, and that ending was just...painful, I guess. As for Assassin's Creed, Revelations had me feeling similarly, to be honest--it felt like filler in a way Brotherhood never did. I'm a bit nervous about ACIII as a result, and Mass Effect 3 hasn't made me any more comfortable in that regard.

[KuceJb]

Why Bioware!? WHY??? We trusted you and enjoyed ME for five years, and you've ruined it all in the last 10 minutes.
Fix this somehow, please. Even with a DLC. Cause we, fans (most of us), aren't happy with such endings that are pretty much the same. But I'm almost sure that you won't dix it...
And even if the ME-based games are not over, the main thing is just gone. No more Shepard (I can accept that assuming he/she is dead), but no more relays, no more Normandy, and it's crew are in the middle of nowhere. How are you going to make a ME-based game without Liara, Garrus and others? How on Earth (literally, I guess) ME possible without relays?

[Bionic Weapon]

LetheAlethe wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

In my case I haven't even started ME3 yet. I put on my Tali shirt and N7 hoodie  and wore it all week  before release in preparation of this game and was ready to go, but like so many here I just had to know why people were up in arms about the endings, so I read them and I'm glad I did it.  I would of been... well very unpleasant to be around had it came as a surprise and I came here only to find out the truth after beating the game.Now many are saying everything up to that point is amazing, so that there gives me motivation to start my playthrough, but that voice in the back of my head is saying don't even bother. I'm gonna play it... soon.  But being on here is way better than what's waiting on that disc :(I need a hug.

*SPOILER WARNING JUST IN CASE*
Play the game, right up until the mad dash for the beam to the Citadel, and then just hard exit out of the game. Imagine the rest. I wish I'd known.

Yeah using my own idea of what happened will make me feel better as opposed to what actually happened. Now if only I can get that catalyst out if my head.. Scratch that,  I'll start  it out with Shep telling the catalyst to go to hell.

[KHReborn]

Dipress wrote...

WTF??
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I saw that comming. Why not? For everyone, who is to lazy to play, like BW was to lazy to make a well made ending.

(Or just normal DLC policy --> unlocking things in MP)

Modifié par KHReborn, 12 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[wook77]

DifferentD17 wrote...

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Lol it is a bit longer than you said it would be...  I was just thinking this could've been the year ME got alot of Game of the year. With the ending I was wondering if Assassins Creed 3 would beat it now. I don't know how good AC3 will be, but every year AC is up for Game of the Year and AC3 will be alot better then AC revelations and brotherhood.

That's such a good point - the Assassin's Creed series had major character death in it and I thought it was handled well. Ezio ain't coming back. Altair ain't coming back. Altair had a tragic, brutal death that was, for the most part, only to save the Apple that was endangered just a little bit later to the point that you could say that all that suffering wasn't for all that much. But the players are satisfied with his story ending that way because we were given hope for the future. Even if Altair lost everything near and dear to him, there was still hope because Ezio was there. And even though Ezio died tragically and his work was spoiled (what with the modern assassin's rushing to save the Apple, again) and for naught in the end, Ezio's death resonated and the fans loved it because we had hope for the future.

Bioware had an opportunity to do the same with Shepard, make his death resonate AND give hope for the future. If this is, indeed, a hallucination, they failed at storytelling by not giving us the hint towards the rest. The planet bit wasn't enough or people would get Bioware's supposed genius.

IMHO - what Bioware should've done was the rubble rising bit somewhere in the middle of the credits and then, at the end, have the "tell me another story about shepard" bit. That would, in the flow, imply that there were more stories to tell just after seeing Shepard living. The timing would've been enough, for me, to be satisfied (not happy and not super excited to play again but satisfied). Instead, I'm stuck with working my butt off through multiple playthroughs, seeing mutliple crappy endings to get that Shepard living bit with very little hope for the future. Very poor timing and storytelling.

[Lord Jaric]

alienatedflea wrote...

anyone ever wonder that maybe Shep is dead to begin with when he meets the child?? I mean he and the child is in SPACE....isnt that how Shep dies in ME2...No Oxygen?? just a thought...

Isn't the whole citadel open to space? I would have to that there is oxygen where Shepard is, that somehow oxygen is contain around the citadel.