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[Prince Lex]

I am devastated. There's no way to overstate it. I was devastated last night to the point where I got almost no sleep, and I'm devastated now. Nothing I do is making me feel any better. I can't replay it now.

Please help us Bioware.

I've joined all the groups, I've voted in all the polls. We need to get this sorted. This thread may be all that's between me and a breakdown. I never thought i'd feel this way about a game, but I'm just devastated. I actually had to forego an assessment in uni today that's worth 10% of my grade because I just can't concentrate on anything.

[mulder1199]

tay2208 wrote...
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11.)Teaser Trailer- They gave us a freakin teaser trailer for the expansion!!!! The old man says ok, one more shepard story. Repeat after me. ONE MORE SHEPARD STORY!!!!! I'm actually angry at myself for not realizing this right away. I'm sure they'll release some DLC to tide us over until the expansion comes out but it Will happen . So come on BSN, pick your chin up off the floor and get excited again. We're going to get to play our shepard's again.

i agree with most everything you wrote, but i'll not buy DLC unless it changes the end, or deals with the issues that the end created.....no money for EA/bioware until the end is rectified....

[AnthonyF27]

The ending is so easy to fix.

1. You need War Assets of over 5K. Additional war assets and missions (Omega expansion anyone?) will be needed so players can accomplish this without MP.

2. Keep everything as it is right now.

3. The whole ending sequence that we experience now is a hallucination. Shepard is feeling the effects of indoctrination. What he's waking up to is like the collectors ship because it's in his mind. When he sees TIM he talks like Saren did because that's in his mind. We he sees the spaceboy he's being convinced that the wrong thing to do is destroy the Reapers. Everyone in this sequence is telling you to control or synthesis.

4. If Shepard chooses Control or Synthesis endings, he has given up and dies.

5. If Shepard chooses the destroy ending, it shows his will to destroy the reapers at any cost. The "ending" plays and when you see Shepard breathe again, he's really regaining consciousness reinvigorated and having defeated the indoctrination and ready to finish the job. Then proceed to new ending mission/boss fight.

Simple.

[Drak41n]

That depends on your expectations.  Do you want to exploderate the travelling infrastructure that all society is reliant on and kill a lot of people in the process, probably dying yourself?  If that's that case, then yes.  You can get the ending you want.

[Dargus007]

cerberus1701 wrote...


"...  assuming I do get medical attention, I'll never see her again. Or the child I potentially fathered."
 
So...you know for sure  that this planet is not within FTL range of *anything*?

I gathered this was the case by the after-credits cenima. It seemed to imply the surviving civilization was just on the verge of space flight.

But maybe, the Normandy was not bust up enough that it couldn't send out a distress signal, and then Shepard shows up and is all "Nice Planet bro." I'll grant you that.

Still, it is a crap ending, In that bioware doesn't address any of the aftermath.

It's all: Reapers are dead. cut to Meathunk with NZ tag makes a wiggle, back to let's get off this busted ship, Credits!

I'll add, I did like playing the game.

[KaiserinKai]

Dipress wrote...

WTF??
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Multiplayer DLC, wonderful /sarcasm

Seriously Bioware? ME started as a single player game.

You lie about being able to get the "best" ending (best as in Shepard is implied not to die) without Multiplayer (Impossible to get enough War Assets at 50% to hit 4000 TMR).

You give us one of the honest to god biggest ass pull endings in gaming history that is riddled with plot holes and has Shepard acting OOC

Now you think we'll be buyng Multiplayer DLC? Are they crazy or something...

Modifié par KaiserinKai, 12 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[Jago360]

Prince Lex wrote...

I am devastated. There's no way to overstate it. I was devastated last night to the point where I got almost no sleep, and I'm devastated now. Nothing I do is making me feel any better. I can't replay it now.

Please help us Bioware.

I've joined all the groups, I've voted in all the polls. We need to get this sorted. This thread may be all that's between me and a breakdown. I never thought i'd feel this way about a game, but I'm just devastated. I actually had to forego an assessment in uni today that's worth 10% of my grade because I just can't concentrate on anything.

Jep, me too! hope we all can change something in Biowares heart...

[Kitten Tactics]

Anyone else notice the strong parallels to our situation in the last Alliance News Network post about Palaven being attacked?

Turian response to the Primarch’s statement was vociferous. Several
inter-and-extranet outages were reported following the speech, as
turians vented their anger at the enemy. Primarch Fedorian seemed to
have predicted this emotional response in his address, though it remains
to be seen if he can contain it. “Now is not the time to be enraged,”
he said. “Now is the time to harness our will and do what must be done.
We must show that whatever civilization we face, it picked the wrong
foe.”

[Alamandorious]

tay2208 wrote...

Just got this from another forum, this guy makes some VERY good points. I still have a little faith after reading this.



First of all I would like to make it clear this not a troll post or trying to get peoples' hopes up. I genuinely, 100% believe we are going to be getting an expansion, and it was their plan all along. Here is my argument:

1.) Bioware Comments- Pre-launch, Bioware told us to make sure we keep our saves. That gives us the insight that Bioware definitely has plans to do more ME games. It does not mean ME4 because we all know that Commander Shepard's story is wrapping up with ME3. Post-launch, Michael Gamble said that if we knew what they had planned we would keep our ME3 game forever. He later said in another tweet that he wasn't talking about DLC. What else could he possibly mean besides an expansion?

2.)Bioware's History- I'm talking specifically about the fact that they have done expansions with their earlier games. We loved BG2, They gave us BG:TOB, We loved DA:O, specifically the warden. They gave us DA:A to continue his/her story since DA:O was the only game with the warden. We love Mass Effect and Commander Shepard. This is his/her last story. They are going to reward us with more, just like before. Not to mention the fact that they also have a good history with ending their games(IMO). In BG:TOB they gave that character the greatest ending possible. In Kotor, they gave us a great LS AND DS ending.DA:O's ending was epic. DA2's ending was......well forget about DA2. But ME1 and ME2's endings were also pretty good. This company knows how to end their games.

3.)It's Good Business- Yes I said it. It is good business. I'm a 40 year old man who has been playing video games since Pong. I'm also a business owner who has been in the corporate world for over 20 years. Suits love money. Suits will do anything possible to suck every last dime out of a product while they can. So if you're sitting in EA's shoes, how do you maximize profit out of the last game in a franchise. Answer, you do what they did in Harry Potter and Twilight. You split it up and make even more money. You make your customers so hungry for more that they're willing to pay any price to get more product. They also figured they would build good will with their customers when they announce the expansion. We as customers always, always want more. Why would they purposefully anger their customers with an incomplete ending? Answer, they probably thought they left enough clues about an expansion and had no idea of the poop storm that came there way. I think everyone is still so full of emotion that we weren't picking up the clues that are right in front of our face. I was like that too until last night so I'm not bashing anyone for it.

4.) Indoctrination Theory- Also known as the hallucination theory. People seriously need to go to that thread and check it out. It makes perfect sense as to why Shepard's experience in the citadel wasn't real. They're doing good work over there.

5.) The Endings and the Leak- The endings themselves are proof to me of an expansion. 2 of the 3 options end in Shepard's death. In ME2, if you didn't get the upgrades and help your companions it was possible albeit unlikely that you could fail your mission. In ME3, if you don't get your assets up or make the wrong choice in the end you fail your mission. The game highlights(as displayed by using Anderson) no it practically screams out for you to take the destroy option. This is the only way to end up with a Shepard who's alive. This is so you can continue your journey in an expansion. This is also why in a NG+ and you take the destroy option you automatically see the scene where shepard is alive. They are telling us what they want us to do. There must be a reason for this, and that reason is....Expansion!!!! We're all aware of the leak. The changes from the leaked script and what was in the game are negligible. Do you really think that Bioware would take the chance that their Mona Lisa could be ruined? The reason the game did not have wholesale changes and a delay is because they knew it didn't matter. They knew there was going to be an expansion to get the real ending so they saw no need to make big changes. Bioware is smart, they know not everyone is going to buy the expansion. However, when you know you are going to make an expansion, you still have to end the game in a way that allows for that expansion but still gives players a quasi-ending.

6.)Unresolved Citadel Plotlines- This is my guess and not based on facts so bear with me. I believe that we will be forced to take the citadel. It makes absolutely no sense that the citadel has a mechanism that can defeat the reapers and it would be completely unguarded. There also was no boss battle in ME3. The citadel is where we will face that boss. The art book says "we wanted to give players the satisfaction of fighting a character they know rather than a random creature." This is on page 20 of the art book. I don't remember a boss battle, do you? Not to mention the fact that after 3 games of annoyance and frustration, do you really think that Bioware would not let us see the fate of the Citadel Council? I don't think so. Also, Ashley's sister was on the citadel when it was taken, do you really think that she would not say anything about it? I really don't think so. Commander Bailey is still on the citadel and I'm sure we'll run into him as well.

7.) The Prothean- This may be my weakest argument (and I'm sure you'll let me know) because I haven't played with him in my party yet. Even though I have the CE, in my idiocy I forgot to download the damn code into Origin. From what I've read in the forums, at some point he says he is the catalyst. Because he's a DLC character, he cannot be the deciding factor in the defeat of the reapers. However, in an expansion where the from ashes DLC is magically included(frickin suits) and you have an auto save where you can still pick him up b/4 going to Earth, that no longer is a problem for those that didn't have him in there original playthrough.

8.) Normandy- We all know Joker and the crew, We all know that there are absolutely zero circumstances in which the crew would desert Shepard. We know this. Bioware knows this. Bioware knows we know that Bioware knows this. There are even some audio files where Joker aids us while we're on Earth. How much do you want to bet those files appear in the expansion?

9.)Future Games- If the endings stayed as is, there would be no more ME games. Who wants to play a ME game where there is no citadel and no mode of transportation to reach the entire galaxy. One of the strengths of the game are the diversity of the species and characters we come across. Without those things, there would be no reason to play anymore. That's something the suits will not allow. I guarantee it.

10.) Shepard is alive!- The simple fact that he/she is alive guarantees an expansion. Do you really think that they're going to end Shepard's story with a breath? C'mon folks we're better than that. Remember in Kotor when our identity was revealed and most of us were shocked? I was kicking myself after that because the clues were there all game. Don't be Revanized once again! The biggest clue however is:

11.)Teaser Trailer- They gave us a freakin teaser trailer for the expansion!!!! The old man says ok, one more shepard story. Repeat after me. ONE MORE SHEPARD STORY!!!!! I'm actually angry at myself for not realizing this right away. I'm sure they'll release some DLC to tide us over until the expansion comes out but it Will happen . So come on BSN, pick your chin up off the floor and get excited again. We're going to get to play our shepard's again.

I've been hoping for something along these lines, myself...that the ending is just a big 'got ya!' from Bioware.

Hopefully this is right.  I'm pessimistic by nature; I'll hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

[Lurchibald]

cerberus1701 wrote...


"obviously by the huge amount of posts far beyond that of normality a lot of people weren't."

And a lot of people are irrational. A lot of people here are ticked for no real reason. They want it all spoonfed to them. They don't realize that:

A) It's basically sufficiently open to build your own ending.

Even if it weren't, this story wasn't about Shepard's buddies making it. Or even him making it.

Just like ending the fifth element when they leave the opera ship is "basically sufficiently open to build your own ending"
or the when Dorithy in the Wizard of OZ meets the professor ending it just as she meets him is "basically sufficiently open to build your own ending" 

EDIT: The problem is that people don't want to do the writers jobs for them, I paid for a game to have a cohesive Beginning, middle and end, what I got was a cohesive beginning and middle but a completely plot-hole filled off-track end, Like eating through a whole bowl of yummy soup and just as you get to the bottom of the bowl you find a rotting mouse's corpse has been in the soup the whole time.

Modifié par Lurchibald, 12 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[cerberus1701]

Toby Shepard wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

And a lot of people are irrational. A lot of people here are ticked for no real reason. They want it all spoonfed to them. They don't realize that:

A) It's basically sufficiently open to build your own ending.

Even if it weren't, this story wasn't about Shepard's buddies making it. Or even him making it.

Yep because they paid someone to spoon-feed it to them..

No, they didn't. They might think they did, but that's not the same thing.  It's like fans being ticked that there aren't any Katy Perry-esque candy pop songs on Adele's 21.

It's the story she (and BW) wanted to tell. Feel free to hate it, that's your perogative. But the series was never created to cater to you in the way you and others seem to think.

No more than any author posts chapter one with "Tell me what you want in Chapter 2...then 3...and on."

[Tyion133]

Jago360 wrote...

Prince Lex wrote...

I am devastated. There's no way to overstate it. I was devastated last night to the point where I got almost no sleep, and I'm devastated now. Nothing I do is making me feel any better. I can't replay it now.

Please help us Bioware.

I've joined all the groups, I've voted in all the polls. We need to get this sorted. This thread may be all that's between me and a breakdown. I never thought i'd feel this way about a game, but I'm just devastated. I actually had to forego an assessment in uni today that's worth 10% of my grade because I just can't concentrate on anything.

Jep, me too! hope we all can change something in Biowares heart...

I feel the same way

[DifferentD17]

wook77 wrote...

That's such a good point - the Assassin's Creed series had major character death in it and I thought it was handled well. Ezio ain't coming back. Altair ain't coming back. Altair had a tragic, brutal death that was, for the most part, only to save the Apple that was endangered just a little bit later to the point that you could say that all that suffering wasn't for all that much. But the players are satisfied with his story ending that way because we were given hope for the future. Even if Altair lost everything near and dear to him, there was still hope because Ezio was there. And even though Ezio died tragically and his work was spoiled (what with the modern assassin's rushing to save the Apple, again) and for naught in the end, Ezio's death resonated and the fans loved it because we had hope for the future.

Bioware had an opportunity to do the same with Shepard, make his death resonate AND give hope for the future. If this is, indeed, a hallucination, they failed at storytelling by not giving us the hint towards the rest. The planet bit wasn't enough or people would get Bioware's supposed genius.

IMHO - what Bioware should've done was the rubble rising bit somewhere in the middle of the credits and then, at the end, have the "tell me another story about shepard" bit. That would, in the flow, imply that there were more stories to tell just after seeing Shepard living. The timing would've been enough, for me, to be satisfied (not happy and not super excited to play again but satisfied). Instead, I'm stuck with working my butt off through multiple playthroughs, seeing mutliple crappy endings to get that Shepard living bit with very little hope for the future. Very poor timing and storytelling.

I feel they were handled well, and all through Revelations he is older and getting tired and we know he dies of course because it's the past. At least there is closure and hope for AC3. Though the new guy in the van makes no sense, well at least doesn't make sense yet. 2 major character deaths in ACR and I felt they earned their rest. Altiar's death was sadder, but he seemed even older then Ezio. I guess seeing your main character age to where they lived a full life makes you feel a bit better.

[KuceJb]

C'mon Bioware, give us some hope, please! Hope is all that matters as someone in ME3 said (can't remember who exactly, maybe it was even Shepard him(her)self).

[KaiserinKai]

Elanor1 wrote...

demonpo wrote...

Dipress wrote...

WTF??
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facepalm.jpg

Facepalm indeed. <_<

overpixelated.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/picard-facepalm2.jpg

[Matt_gekko88]

Can't be that Shepard always lived on the brink, risked his life and the lifes of his/her crew and than.... this? He earned more. He earned some peace (not in the grave).

[DifferentD17]

dreaming_raithe wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Lol it is a bit longer than you said it would be...  I was just thinking this could've been the year ME got alot of Game of the year. With the ending I was wondering if Assassins Creed 3 would beat it now. I don't know how good AC3 will be, but every year AC is up for Game of the Year and AC3 will be alot better then AC revelations and brotherhood.

Yeah, once I got started, it just kind of flowed. I don't have many friends to talk about the ending with, as I'm one of the only ME players I know, so being able to properly vent my frustrations has been difficult. I was pretty invested in the game, and that ending was just...painful, I guess. As for Assassin's Creed, Revelations had me feeling similarly, to be honest--it felt like filler in a way Brotherhood never did. I'm a bit nervous about ACIII as a result, and Mass Effect 3 hasn't made me any more comfortable in that regard.

I wouldn't be too nervous, just expect better then revelations I guess. I guess after ME3 I'd be nervous for most games.

[jinx_60]

I voiced my discontent about 500 pages ago....what a massive thread!

I bet someone has already brought this up, but 825 pages is a little much to keep up with.
Regarding DLC: It seems pretty clear from Aria's foreshadowing that a DLC to recapture Omega is likely. My question is this: To what end? Omega is a space station, reliant on trade through the mass relays for such basics as food and other supplies. With the mass relays destroyed at the end of the game, Omega is stranded and thus doomed. So why would we care about taking it back from Cerberus?

[Anthadlas]

cerberus1701 wrote...

But the series was never created to cater to you in the way you and others seem to think.

That is the most supid comment i have ever heard, The series isn't catered to the people who intend to buy it?

It's not like its a small percentage, pretty much the entire fanbase is pissed about this ending so common logic dictates that something is seriously wrong

Modifié par Wraith 02, 12 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Lurchibald]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Toby Shepard wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

And a lot of people are irrational. A lot of people here are ticked for no real reason. They want it all spoonfed to them. They don't realize that:

A) It's basically sufficiently open to build your own ending.

Even if it weren't, this story wasn't about Shepard's buddies making it. Or even him making it.

Yep because they paid someone to spoon-feed it to them..

No, they didn't. They might think they did, but that's not the same thing.  It's like fans being ticked that there aren't any Katy Perry-esque candy pop songs on Adele's 21.

It's the story she (and BW) wanted to tell. Feel free to hate it, that's your perogative. But the series was never created to cater to you in the way you and others seem to think.

No more than any author posts chapter one with "Tell me what you want in Chapter 2...then 3...and on."

95% of the time authors are smart enough to write an ending that fits in line with their story.

[Game_Fan_85]

One thing I will say about the ending, I would never pick anything other than destroy the reapers even if it means Shepard dies. That is what he set out to do, he would never change his mind about that after everything he has seen.

[DifferentD17]

jinx_60 wrote...

I voiced my discontent about 500 pages ago....what a massive thread!

I bet someone has already brought this up, but 825 pages is a little much to keep up with.
Regarding DLC: It seems pretty clear from Aria's foreshadowing that a DLC to recapture Omega is likely. My question is this: To what end? Omega is a space station, reliant on trade through the mass relays for such basics as food and other supplies. With the mass relays destroyed at the end of the game, Omega is stranded and thus doomed. So why would we care about taking it back from Cerberus?

It will probably be released after the invasion comic. I really don't know why anyone would care if it doesn't help the ending in any way. Just more missions I guess.

[XenoAlbedo]

They make an utterly horrible ending and they're making a character class DLC? Bioware?! What the hell?!

[Tamcia]

lol MP DLC?
Yes, I'm sure going buy that......not.

Stupid jellyfishes.

[cerberus1701]

Lurchibald wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...


"obviously by the huge amount of posts far beyond that of normality a lot of people weren't."

And a lot of people are irrational. A lot of people here are ticked for no real reason. They want it all spoonfed to them. They don't realize that:

A) It's basically sufficiently open to build your own ending.

Even if it weren't, this story wasn't about Shepard's buddies making it. Or even him making it.

Just like ending the fifth element when they leave the opera ship is "basically sufficiently open to build your own ending"
or the when Dorithy in the Wizard of OZ meets the professor ending it just as she meets him is "basically sufficiently open to build your own ending" 

Sure. And if Richard Thorpe or Luc Besson wanted to end their films there? You might shake your fist in the air,but that's the story they chose to give you. You may mock it and dreide it, but they aren't going to change it for you.

IF BW bows to the pressure and gives you  a "better" ending, great. But you're not owed one just because you were invested in *their* story and had different expectations.