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[bpzrn]

31,000 and its still movign up on the "Endings Suck" option


http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/


Thats a lot of pepole saying the same thing

[Captain Arty]

TSC_1 wrote...
The ending to Mass Effect 3 has really destroyed any meaning or joy in what came before. Why would I buy DLC that adds to that meaningless before-the-end game?

Essentially, if you hope to sell DLC, you really need to fix this. Because even your most dedicated, hardcore fans just don't see the point in continuing until that happens.

Sadly, +1. You gotta fix this, Bioware, or my money, and my recommendations to friends will not go to ME3.

[Matt_gekko88]

One does not simply screw up the ending

[Kloborgg711]

Klimax wrote...

Apparently there is happier ending where Shepard survives. However it looks like not many got there...
From Walkthrough at http://www.gamefaqs....ct-3/faqs/63886 :
"Rating 4000-5000 - If Shepard destroys the Reapers and "saves" Anderson, Shepard will also live as Earth is saved."
Section [0417].
I ended at ~3600 so didn't get it. I know only about mistake with C-Sec(concentrating on small crime), so not sure how to get past 4000 witout multiplayer.

No, we're not all missing a fairy tale ending. The "happy ending" is that if you played multiplayer and brought enough numbers with you, and you choose to annihilate EDI (who saved your life multiple times) and the Geth (who are fighting to protect you, going against their self-preservation software), then you get to see someone who might be Shepard inhale briefly, before being treated once again to Stargazer Gramps and "You are legend trololol DLC".

[mulder1199]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

LPKerberos wrote...

Yes. Fanboy rage is fanboyism.

ME3 isn't the first example of
this. Google is yopur friend. I'm not here to do your homework for you,
thogh I will say you can go to a website for any AAA title and see pages
and pages of the same thing.

And ME3s "news" postings are more
for Javik and whether or not he was already on the disk or not (The
charahter model was, that's it)

Wrong. There are actually several sides, like IGN, commenting our exact problem with the endings. 2-3 are against us, but multiple sides give enough reason to support a DCL, giving logical reason and saying what we all do: This was not sufficient for this trilogy.

Could you now stop quote insane long walls of texts? It is annoying. Quote one or two, but not a whole wall that covers a whole page.

 What the man above said, ANd. EA's stock market share value reflects it. ME3 should be pushing EA's stock market share value up by at least 3%, instead, its dropped 3% in the last 24 hours and it continues to decline. Your entitled to your opinions, but it appears that the world investmernt community is more in agreement with us "fanboys" ( by the way, i'm a sixty year old woman, not a fan "boy" thank you ) than with you people.. 
We do not hold a philosophy of roll over and take it. We fight. When we buy a copy of Photoshop, we expect photoshop, not Gimp. We fight. We will never roll over and we will never accept a ten dollar product for our sixty dollar ( minimum ) investment.

EA will move on it if this trend continues....it's not a suprise that it's dropping, the stock market folks follow things like this and base their buying and selling on conjecture.....the forbes article and the bad press for the game continues to mount....

[RussianOrc]

Klimax wrote...

Apparently there is happier ending where Shepard survives. However it looks like not many got there...
From Walkthrough at http://www.gamefaqs....ct-3/faqs/63886 :
"Rating 4000-5000 - If Shepard destroys the Reapers and "saves" Anderson, Shepard will also live as Earth is saved."
Section [0417].
I ended at ~3600 so didn't get it. I know only about mistake with C-Sec(concentrating on small crime), so not sure how to get past 4000 witout multiplayer.

the ending that he "survives" is just a 20s cutscene of shepard breathing in a pile of rumble.

[Altorious]

These three endings suck, The only good out of the three is Synthesis one. "They Better Put Our Choices Back In The Driver's Seat Or They Lose Me As A Player"

[Captain Arty]

bpzrn wrote...

31,000 and its still movign up on the "Endings Suck" option
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/
Thats a lot of pepole saying the same thing

A greater proportion of people think the moon landing was a hoax than like the current ending options. What makes Mass Effect special is that we felt we were building our own story, and therefore, our own ending. That all the endings are essentially the same is massive fail.

[Bob3terd]

im starting to think bioware planned for this, the whole dream like escipades throughout the game make me think they set it up as an emergancy button incase we didnt like the endings e.g. "it was all a dream".
More over although im not sure or not if this is official but the mention of the facebook site of them giving interpretations on the endings at the end of the month, just makes me think if you arnt speaking in a foreign language and you need to be interpreted its because your not making sense in the first place.

[TamiBx]

mulder1199 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

LPKerberos wrote...

Yes. Fanboy rage is fanboyism.

ME3 isn't the first example of
this. Google is yopur friend. I'm not here to do your homework for you,
thogh I will say you can go to a website for any AAA title and see pages
and pages of the same thing.

And ME3s "news" postings are more
for Javik and whether or not he was already on the disk or not (The
charahter model was, that's it)

Wrong. There are actually several sides, like IGN, commenting our exact problem with the endings. 2-3 are against us, but multiple sides give enough reason to support a DCL, giving logical reason and saying what we all do: This was not sufficient for this trilogy.

Could you now stop quote insane long walls of texts? It is annoying. Quote one or two, but not a whole wall that covers a whole page.

 What the man above said, ANd. EA's stock market share value reflects it. ME3 should be pushing EA's stock market share value up by at least 3%, instead, its dropped 3% in the last 24 hours and it continues to decline. Your entitled to your opinions, but it appears that the world investmernt community is more in agreement with us "fanboys" ( by the way, i'm a sixty year old woman, not a fan "boy" thank you ) than with you people.. 
We do not hold a philosophy of roll over and take it. We fight. When we buy a copy of Photoshop, we expect photoshop, not Gimp. We fight. We will never roll over and we will never accept a ten dollar product for our sixty dollar ( minimum ) investment.

EA will move on it if this trend continues....it's not a suprise that it's dropping, the stock market folks follow things like this and base their buying and selling on conjecture.....the forbes article and the bad press for the game continues to mount....

Game Rant, Gamefaqs, IGN...they all commented on this issue. And by this time, nobody really cares anymore if Javik was in the game or not. We are too busy being depressed over the ending...for those who have finished playing ME3, of course. 

[cerberus1701]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...
Yes. Fanboy rage is fanboyism.

ME3 isn't the first example of this. Google is yopur friend. I'm not here to do your homework for you, thogh I will say you can go to a website for any AAA title and see pages and pages of the same thing.

And ME3s "news" postings are more for Javik and whether or not he was already on the disk or not (The charahter model was, that's it)

This seems like an awkward place to be calling other people "fanboys", when you're the one defending the developer.
ME3 is not the first example of people dissatisfied with a game's ending, you're right. That said, I kindly ask for an example of another game that's had anything resembling this almost universal backlash. You can obviously say that the angry crowd will be loudest, but we're talking tens of thousands here within the first week of release. We're talking 2% satisfaction in the polls. You simply cannot equate the magnitude of this situation to "oh well you can't please everyone."

There are degrees of fandom.

And no, you're equating tens of thousands of posts with tens of thousands of people. Tens of housands of posts with people repeating themselves and working themselves and others into a frenzy.

That's one of the reasons I've suggested writing actual physical letters.

No, I'm not equating posts with people. I'm using my brain to realize there's probably a lot of people who feel the same way and didn't post on this specific forum board. When I see a thread with 50 posts about an issue, I can extrapolate that to mean there are probably a few hundred to thousand people who agree with it (as an example). When I see that a single topic has tens of thousands of posts, I can extrapolate that to mean... well.. a lot of people throughout the world.

No, you can't extrapolate that because you're making the same error in equivocation. You can have a 175 response thread. That doesn't  necessarily mean there are 350,000 people who are thinking the same thing. Especially not if you look in that thread and see that it's a conversation between, say, 4 people.

Posts aren't people.

[infinitekilan]

When I first subscribed to this thread(and subsequently started refreshing it religiously), the poll over at http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ had a "need new endings" to "they're fine" ratio of 20 to 1.

Now?

37.7 to 1 for "endings suck" to "Fine as it is", 41.1 to 1 if you combine the "endings suck" and the "put the Normandy near Shepard" options.

The numbers speak for themselves. The gap between love/hate for the endings is growing.

Edit: jacked up the URL

Modifié par infinitekilan, 12 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[babachewie]

I think the endings had to be some what the same. Mainly because its the end. When they start a new trilogy they would have to pick a new canon and i think they wanted to not have so many ending choices and people be mad that they didnt pick theirs. The one thing we can expect is the mass relays being gone. I think thats what they really wanted to set up for whatever comes next.

Modifié par babachewie, 12 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[mulder1199]

Captain Arty wrote...

bpzrn wrote...

31,000 and its still movign up on the "Endings Suck" option
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/
Thats a lot of pepole saying the same thing

A greater proportion of people think the moon landing was a hoax than like the current ending options. What makes Mass Effect special is that we felt we were building our own story, and therefore, our own ending. That all the endings are essentially the same is massive fail.

the nice thing is with a poll as such, that with a large sample size like 31k, you get a decent assessment of how things look....as more people play, more will be disappointed....i don't expect it to end so lopsided, and some won't vote as they just don't care....but i'd expect those numbers to keep growing, especially with the game shipping as many copies as claimed...

[rethas]

cerberus1701

You basically scanned over all the points I made with no real come back to the questions raise, which then someone repeated.

Either you don't play many video games or you are doing this because you are now enjoying it.

This is not a normal recation and not a normal scale, to say it is would just be a lie.

You should probably check out the poll, facebook groups and twitter if you think it is just a few hundred rabid fanboys.

You enjoyed the ending, that's great.

The people posting here didn't. What's your issue?

Modifié par rethas, 12 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Alamandorious]

Has anyone else actually looked through the in-game codex?

It's made clear within the codex that martial victory -is- possible, that the Reapers can be beaten. It doesn't say it's easy, but it says it's possible...

I think entries like that indicate that there had been much, much more planned, only something happened in dev that caused them to toss what they had been doing. Yes, I understand that people have already said this, but I just wanted to point out actual in-game evidence supporting this.

Also, there are people out there that go 'nah, just because a mass relay blows up doesn't necessarily mean that everything in the solar system is gone.' The only way to support this argument is if there was no indication of this within ME3...but again, the in-game codex specifies that when a Mass Relay goes boom, it basically annihilates all terrestrial worlds within a solar system.

[likta_]

This is how I felt watching the ending...

[Altorious]

"Oh and Good Job Stranding Everyone Besides The Normandy In Earth's Solar System And Making Love Interests Pointless Bioware."

[BCMakoto]

What I don't understand as of now is this: Why do people actually want to be AGAINST us?

I mean, let us sum this up:
Alright, there are people who like the ending. Nothing against it, I appreciate every opinion. But what is the point in calling people Fanboy and denying them something?
Am I just thinking the wrong way? If there are people happy with the ending, alright, go for it as you play trough. Where is the point saying: I do not support the cause, but I accept you people wanting a new ending in form of a Patch or such. I mean, the whole Shadow Broker thing was like what, 1,5 GB? Where is the problem to offer a free patch to people, as big as the Shadow broker one, giving 2-3 new videos and dialogs, while people who liked the game as of now just leave it be?

This is not a matter of "Cut out the ends now, insert new ones.". This is a matter of "Give us two new ones, leave the rest.". There is no actuall reason to be against it as long as you are logical. Why refuse a free patch...a free DLC? It only adds to the experience.

If we would want to cut you out of something for us, I would clearly understand your concern. But we are not trying to talk people out of something, we try to gain something you have: An ending we can relax in the chair and say: "This is what I wanted. All those years.".

One good video, one little in-game cinematic per LI, and we are good to go. Nothing you have to lose there.

So, someone explain me:
I can understand that people are "With us.", and "Accept us but not support us actively.". But why "Denie."? There is no loss for people who liked the endings, just a gain for people who did not. So why coming into this thread,a ccusing people of fanboysm and false demands?

[Matt_gekko88]

www.youtube.com/watch
I love the comments

Modifié par Matt_gekko88, 12 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[TamiBx]

infinitekilan wrote...

When I first subscribed to this thread(and subsequently started refreshing it religiously), the poll over at [url]http://social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/[url] had a "need new endings" to "they're fine" ratio of 20 to 1.

Now?

37.7 to 1 for "endings suck" to "Fine as it is", 41.1 to 1 if you combine the "endings suck" and the "put the Normandy near Shepard" options.

The numbers speak for themselves. The gap between love/hate for the endings is growing.

Everyone single one of my friends who played ME3 finished after me. I told them when I was done that the ending was the worst ending they could have ever made and no one believed me, because they were in the middle of the game. They even said I was just being annoying. 
After they finish...they all came to tell me I was right 

[Alamandorious]

babachewie wrote...

I think the endings had to be some what the same. Mainly because its the end. When they start a new trilogy they would have to pick a new canon and i think they wanted to not have so many ending choices and people be mad that they didnt pick theirs. The one thing we can expect is the mass relays being gone. I think thats what they really wanted to set up for whatever comes next.

The solution around that is that Shepard's story ends.  It's not about him anymore.

[J5550123]

LPKerberos wrote...

What I don't understand as of now is this: Why do people actually want to be AGAINST us?

I mean, let us sum this up:
Alright, there are people who like the ending. Nothing against it, I appreciate every opinion. But what is the point in calling people Fanboy and denying them something?
Am I just thinking the wrong way? If there are people happy with the ending, alright, go for it as you play trough. Where is the point saying: I do not support the cause, but I accept you people wanting a new ending in form of a Patch or such. I mean, the whole Shadow Broker thing was like what, 1,5 GB? Where is the problem to offer a free patch to people, as big as the Shadow broker one, giving 2-3 new videos and dialogs, while people who liked the game as of now just leave it be?

This is not a matter of "Cut out the ends now, insert new ones.". This is a matter of "Give us two new ones, leave the rest.". There is no actuall reason to be against it as long as you are logical. Why refuse a free patch...a free DLC? It only adds to the experience.

If we would want to cut you out of something for us, I would clearly understand your concern. But we are not trying to talk people out of something, we try to gain something you have: An ending we can relax in the chair and say: "This is what I wanted. All those years.".

One good video, one little in-game cinematic per LI, and we are good to go. Nothing you have to lose there.

So, someone explain me:
I can understand that people are "With us.", and "Accept us but not support us actively.". But why "Denie."? There is no loss for people who liked the endings, just a gain for people who did not. So why coming into this thread,a ccusing people of fanboysm and false demands?

They have no reason to go against us other than those people just wanting a fight.

[Dan Rosse]

cerberus1701 wrote...

No, you can't extrapolate that because you're making the same error in equivocation. You can have a 175 response thread. That doesn't  necessarily mean there are 350,000 people who are thinking the same thing. Especially not if you look in that thread and see that it's a conversation between, say, 4 people.

Posts aren't people.

Are you Devil's advocate or something? If you like an ending then go for it. Why are you tryng to convince
 all of us? Or maybe you think that's your opinion worth more than mine? Heh, good luck with that!

[Sarz91]

I honestly believe Bioware thought this would just all pass over. Now that it has continued I believe they don't really know how to respond. They keep using the "We're waiting for more players to finish." Translated means "We're waiting for all of you to forget about it."