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[laughing sherpa girl]

mulder1199 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

LPKerberos wrote...

Yes. Fanboy rage is fanboyism.

ME3 isn't the first example of
this. Google is yopur friend. I'm not here to do your homework for you,
thogh I will say you can go to a website for any AAA title and see pages
and pages of the same thing.

And ME3s "news" postings are more
for Javik and whether or not he was already on the disk or not (The
charahter model was, that's it)

Wrong. There are actually several sides, like IGN, commenting our exact problem with the endings. 2-3 are against us, but multiple sides give enough reason to support a DCL, giving logical reason and saying what we all do: This was not sufficient for this trilogy.

Could you now stop quote insane long walls of texts? It is annoying. Quote one or two, but not a whole wall that covers a whole page.

 What the man above said, ANd. EA's stock market share value reflects it. ME3 should be pushing EA's stock market share value up by at least 3%, instead, its dropped 3% in the last 24 hours and it continues to decline. Your entitled to your opinions, but it appears that the world investmernt community is more in agreement with us "fanboys" ( by the way, i'm a sixty year old woman, not a fan "boy" thank you ) than with you people.. 
We do not hold a philosophy of roll over and take it. We fight. When we buy a copy of Photoshop, we expect photoshop, not Gimp. We fight. We will never roll over and we will never accept a ten dollar product for our sixty dollar ( minimum ) investment.

EA will move on it if this trend continues....it's not a suprise that it's dropping, the stock market folks follow things like this and base their buying and selling on conjecture.....the forbes article and the bad press for the game continues to mount....

Agreed. Now, i'm not saying EA will be going out of business anytime soon ( they're pretty smart up there ) but, at this moment, investors will be watching those numbers. Each percentage drop in the market means the loss of a lot of income for those investors, and they are going to be furious. Ours isnt the only trust thats been violated here.. investors trusted EA and Bioware to produce a quality money making product, and the failure shows in the market.
The truth told though, is that a few thousand people who have already paid for the game couldnt cause that kind of deflection in share value.  This problem is reaching millions of people, mostly investors who are jumping ship to move towards more lucrative markets.

[Gamer Genocider]

Alamandorious wrote...

Has anyone else actually looked through the in-game codex?

It's made clear within the codex that martial victory -is- possible, that the Reapers can be beaten. It doesn't say it's easy, but it says it's possible...

I think entries like that indicate that there had been much, much more planned, only something happened in dev that caused them to toss what they had been doing. Yes, I understand that people have already said this, but I just wanted to point out actual in-game evidence supporting this.

Also, there are people out there that go 'nah, just because a mass relay blows up doesn't necessarily mean that everything in the solar system is gone.' The only way to support this argument is if there was no indication of this within ME3...but again, the in-game codex specifies that when a Mass Relay goes boom, it basically annihilates all terrestrial worlds within a solar system.

Exactly.  The arrival DLC was BioWares way of showing you what happens when they explode.  And yeah, Joker was running away from the explosion, not trying to see who can go fastest.

[TamiBx]

LPKerberos wrote...

What I don't understand as of now is this: Why do people actually want to be AGAINST us?

I mean, let us sum this up:
Alright, there are people who like the ending. Nothing against it, I appreciate every opinion. But what is the point in calling people Fanboy and denying them something?
Am I just thinking the wrong way? If there are people happy with the ending, alright, go for it as you play trough. Where is the point saying: I do not support the cause, but I accept you people wanting a new ending in form of a Patch or such. I mean, the whole Shadow Broker thing was like what, 1,5 GB? Where is the problem to offer a free patch to people, as big as the Shadow broker one, giving 2-3 new videos and dialogs, while people who liked the game as of now just leave it be?

This is not a matter of "Cut out the ends now, insert new ones.". This is a matter of "Give us two new ones, leave the rest.". There is no actuall reason to be against it as long as you are logical. Why refuse a free patch...a free DLC? It only adds to the experience.

If we would want to cut you out of something for us, I would clearly understand your concern. But we are not trying to talk people out of something, we try to gain something you have: An ending we can relax in the chair and say: "This is what I wanted. All those years.".

One good video, one little in-game cinematic per LI, and we are good to go. Nothing you have to lose there.

So, someone explain me:
I can understand that people are "With us.", and "Accept us but not support us actively.". But why "Denie."? There is no loss for people who liked the endings, just a gain for people who did not. So why coming into this thread,a ccusing people of fanboysm and false demands?

And actually, there are a lot of people (including myself) who are willing to pay for a dlc to fix the ending and a lot more who will probably get it out of curiosity. I don't see why they wouldn't try to make more money off of this..seriously. Perfect opportunity to keep the fans AND make tons of money...just saying 

[karambiatos]

Dan Rosse wrote...

Are you Devil's advocate or something? If you like an ending then go for it. Why are you tryng to convince
 all of us? Or maybe you think that's your opinion worth more than mine? Heh, good luck with that!

because hes says he is a game developer, and he is an authority on the matter

and im batman



see what i did there

Modifié par karambiatos, 12 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[Klimax]

RussianOrc wrote...

Klimax wrote...

Apparently there is happier ending where Shepard survives. However it looks like not many got there...
From Walkthrough at http://www.gamefaqs....ct-3/faqs/63886 :
"Rating 4000-5000 - If Shepard destroys the Reapers and "saves" Anderson, Shepard will also live as Earth is saved."
Section [0417].
I ended at ~3600 so didn't get it. I know only about mistake with C-Sec(concentrating on small crime), so not sure how to get past 4000 witout multiplayer.

the ending that he "survives" is just a 20s cutscene of shepard breathing in a pile of rumble.

Ok. So much for that.

[Captain Arty]

Picard WAS a Mass Effect fan.

[rethas]

karambiatos wrote...

Dan Rosse wrote...

Are you Devil's advocate or something? If you like an ending then go for it. Why are you tryng to convince
 all of us? Or maybe you think that's your opinion worth more than mine? Heh, good luck with that!

because hes apparently a game developer

and im batman



see what i did there

Well I'm Bruce Wayne.

[Tyranniac]

AwesomeName wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I liked the ending - I wouldn't have minded an epilogue that takes place a few centuries in the future though with someone like Liara:

*ship drops out of FTL - rear of pilot's helmet in foreground, overlooking blue planet dominating the screen*
*slowly zooms in and focusses on planet*
*cuts back to pilots face; it's Liara... she smiles knowingly - camera lingers on her and fades to black*
Fin.

Btw, I love how the final mission plays out pretty much how I had imagined (including the Clint Mansell music)

Seriously, wouldn't the above satisfy people? *sees if post doesn't get buried*

No it wouldn't.

[Xtallas]

Just finished it after getting the game on Friday (EU release)

Sad to say I'm very disappointed with the ending I got. Hope they do something about this, otherwise I fail to see any replay value.

[LinksOcarina]

Eh...I thought the ending was ok...it was more interesting and introspective than being full on closure; more bittersweet than good or bad.

My only issue is the idea of it being an entire flashback...which is a tad worrysome but gives the series some legs to continue if they choose to. That got me a bit miffed to be honest. 

But I liked the philosophical choice here; the idea where you can either destroy all technology until they rise again, take control of it to force peace, or let them evolve together was really good.

Kind of echoed Legions loyalty mission in many ways; destroy them absolutely, or force them into submission. It's a choice no one should have to make, but the third option feels like the best option in the end.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 12 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[Mhgasa]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

LPKerberos wrote...

Yes. Fanboy rage is fanboyism.

ME3 isn't the first example of
this. Google is yopur friend. I'm not here to do your homework for you,
thogh I will say you can go to a website for any AAA title and see pages
and pages of the same thing.

And ME3s "news" postings are more
for Javik and whether or not he was already on the disk or not (The
charahter model was, that's it)

Wrong. There are actually several sides, like IGN, commenting our exact problem with the endings. 2-3 are against us, but multiple sides give enough reason to support a DCL, giving logical reason and saying what we all do: This was not sufficient for this trilogy.

Could you now stop quote insane long walls of texts? It is annoying. Quote one or two, but not a whole wall that covers a whole page.

 What the man above said, ANd. EA's stock market share value reflects it. ME3 should be pushing EA's stock market share value up by at least 3%, instead, its dropped 3% in the last 24 hours and it continues to decline. Your entitled to your opinions, but it appears that the world investmernt community is more in agreement with us "fanboys" ( by the way, i'm a sixty year old woman, not a fan "boy" thank you ) than with you people.. 
We do not hold a philosophy of roll over and take it. We fight. When we buy a copy of Photoshop, we expect photoshop, not Gimp. We fight. We will never roll over and we will never accept a ten dollar product for our sixty dollar ( minimum ) investment.

EA will move on it if this trend continues....it's not a suprise that it's dropping, the stock market folks follow things like this and base their buying and selling on conjecture.....the forbes article and the bad press for the game continues to mount....

Agreed. Now, i'm not saying EA will be going out of business anytime soon ( they're pretty smart up there ) but, at this moment, investors will be watching those numbers. Each percentage drop in the market means the loss of a lot of income for those investors, and they are going to be furious. Ours isnt the only trust thats been violated here.. investors trusted EA and Bioware to produce a quality money making product, and the failure shows in the market.
The truth told though, is that a few thousand people who have already paid for the game couldnt cause that kind of deflection in share value.  This problem is reaching millions of people, mostly investors who are jumping ship to move towards more lucrative markets.

This might come out wrong, but i honestly dont want to hurt them financially, because i love their games. I just want them to enter into a dialog about a very unforfilling conclusion to an unbelieveable series, without it being forced at "gunpoint" by a drop in share prices. An open mature dialog really.
I guess its alot to ask for since "the noise to signal" ratio is pretty bad on internet forums

Modifié par Mhgasa, 12 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[karambiatos]

rethas wrote...
Well I'm Bruce Wayne.

the proof that you have shown us here, is undeniable, there for you are bruce wayne

[Sterenn]

AwesomeName wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I liked the ending - I wouldn't have minded an epilogue that takes place a few centuries in the future though with someone like Liara:

*ship drops out of FTL - rear of pilot's helmet in foreground, overlooking blue planet dominating the screen*
*slowly zooms in and focusses on planet*
*cuts back to pilots face; it's Liara... she smiles knowingly - camera lingers on her and fades to black*
Fin.

Btw, I love how the final mission plays out pretty much how I had imagined (including the Clint Mansell music)

Seriously, wouldn't the above satisfy people? *sees if post doesn't get buried*

No it wouldn't. 'Cause you still don't have the choice to say no to this Catalyst brat and shoot him with magical gun right in the head. So much for the 17 endings promised...

Modifié par Sterenn, 12 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[babachewie]

Alamandorious wrote...

Has anyone else actually looked through the in-game codex?

It's made clear within the codex that martial victory -is- possible, that the Reapers can be beaten. It doesn't say it's easy, but it says it's possible...

I think entries like that indicate that there had been much, much more planned, only something happened in dev that caused them to toss what they had been doing. Yes, I understand that people have already said this, but I just wanted to point out actual in-game evidence supporting this.

Also, there are people out there that go 'nah, just because a mass relay blows up doesn't necessarily mean that everything in the solar system is gone.' The only way to support this argument is if there was no indication of this within ME3...but again, the in-game codex specifies that when a Mass Relay goes boom, it basically annihilates all terrestrial worlds within a solar system.

Well the codex says a lot of things. Like the beacons were made by the protheans which we found out later they werent. The codex is basically a guide for whatever people think is true at the time. it can change once new info is acquired. It's like a dictionary. New words are added everyonce in awhile. I don't really think the mass relays were taken out the same way it was in Arrival. We dont know much about the crucible and it might have a bit more control over the shockwave or whatever than just smashing an asteriod into it.

[TamiBx]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
I love the comments

omg...this the best video and comments ever!! 

[Kloborgg711]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...
Yes. Fanboy rage is fanboyism.

ME3 isn't the first example of this. Google is yopur friend. I'm not here to do your homework for you, thogh I will say you can go to a website for any AAA title and see pages and pages of the same thing.

And ME3s "news" postings are more for Javik and whether or not he was already on the disk or not (The charahter model was, that's it)

This seems like an awkward place to be calling other people "fanboys", when you're the one defending the developer.
ME3 is not the first example of people dissatisfied with a game's ending, you're right. That said, I kindly ask for an example of another game that's had anything resembling this almost universal backlash. You can obviously say that the angry crowd will be loudest, but we're talking tens of thousands here within the first week of release. We're talking 2% satisfaction in the polls. You simply cannot equate the magnitude of this situation to "oh well you can't please everyone."

There are degrees of fandom.

And no, you're equating tens of thousands of posts with tens of thousands of people. Tens of housands of posts with people repeating themselves and working themselves and others into a frenzy.

That's one of the reasons I've suggested writing actual physical letters.

No, I'm not equating posts with people. I'm using my brain to realize there's probably a lot of people who feel the same way and didn't post on this specific forum board. When I see a thread with 50 posts about an issue, I can extrapolate that to mean there are probably a few hundred to thousand people who agree with it (as an example). When I see that a single topic has tens of thousands of posts, I can extrapolate that to mean... well.. a lot of people throughout the world.

No, you can't extrapolate that because you're making the same error in equivocation. You can have a 175 response thread. That doesn't  necessarily mean there are 350,000 people who are thinking the same thing. Especially not if you look in that thread and see that it's a conversation between, say, 4 people.

Posts aren't people.

I'm sorry, but did you actually read what I said? Extrapolation is not equivocation. 
"
Posts aren't people. "
This just makes me feel like you're explicitely ignoring my post. Nothing I said could've possibly led you to conclude that I thought posts are people.
You're right, 175 posts from a small amount of people does not mean 350,000 agree. But a single thread with well over 20,000 posts, with unique posters joining in every 5 minutes, probably means a more than significant chunk of the playerbase. Your argument doesn't make any sense, because you're just saying "The number of posts here doesn't mean this many people in the world agree with the sentiment.", but that's irrelevant. You can almost always be sure that there are in fact many MORE people who agree than there are posts, especially considering that posting here requires setting up an account and waiting 24 hours.

It's the same kind of argument as those who say the polls are meaningless because the angry/dissatisfied minority is more "vocal". I effectively dismissed this argument by bringing up that if you look at another one of the most popular polls on this website, the question is "Were you disappointed with Mass Effect 2?"
Logically, you'd assume that those who were disappointed would be more likely to get on the forum and actually express their opinion. And yet, despite that fact (and the fact that a good number of people were actually disappointed), more than 80% of people STILL voted that they WERE satisfied. 
Now, looking at our poll, however biased it may be, we have 2% who feel the endings don't need to be changed. 2%. You can say our statistics here are biased, and you'd be right. You cannot ignore overwhelming numbers.

[laughing sherpa girl]

AwesomeName wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I liked the ending - I wouldn't have minded an epilogue that takes place a few centuries in the future though with someone like Liara:

*ship drops out of FTL - rear of pilot's helmet in foreground, overlooking blue planet dominating the screen*
*slowly zooms in and focusses on planet*
*cuts back to pilots face; it's Liara... she smiles knowingly - camera lingers on her and fades to black*
Fin.

Btw, I love how the final mission plays out pretty much how I had imagined (including the Clint Mansell music)

Seriously, wouldn't the above satisfy people? *sees if post doesn't get buried*

heh. dont take getting buried seriously if that happens. it isnt personal. I myself have had several posts buried and unanswered and i'm one of the protesters. For myself no, that would not be a satisfactory ending. I want this to be an indoctrination/hallucination sequence because i cannot accept a Shep who cuts off his own quads, sticks his tail between his butt cheeks and destroys half the damned galaxy.. I want a rewrite of the ending..

[Captain Arty]

http://i.imgur.com/IhOjP.png

[NomadDC]

Keep it up guys, don't stop posting and asking questions. We need to keep it up until the end or we'll get nothing out of this.

[Dan Rosse]

karambiatos wrote...

because hes says he is a game developer, and he is an authority on the matter

and im batman



see what i did there

I'm a Production Designer in one of the biggest game development companies in Eastern Europe, and so what?  For those who don't understand: PD is that freak who's actually directing all visuals in game and is the big boss for art directors. But still, I don't think that's my position in game industry makes my c0k bigger than player's c0k. Players actually giving a purpose for developers, not vise-versa.

[infinitekilan]

Kloborgg711... he's trolling. He's just going to keep it up the more you respond to him.

[christrek1982]

Sterenn wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I liked the ending - I wouldn't have minded an epilogue that takes place a few centuries in the future though with someone like Liara:

*ship drops out of FTL - rear of pilot's helmet in foreground, overlooking blue planet dominating the screen*
*slowly zooms in and focusses on planet*
*cuts back to pilots face; it's Liara... she smiles knowingly - camera lingers on her and fades to black*
Fin.

Btw, I love how the final mission plays out pretty much how I had imagined (including the Clint Mansell music)

Seriously, wouldn't the above satisfy people? *sees if post doesn't get buried*

No it wouldn't. 'Cause you still don't have the choice to say no to this Catalyst brat and shoot him with magical gun right in the head. So much for the 17 endings promised...

if it was set within shepherds lifespan and had him/her in the shot with mabe some other crew then yeh I just hate the forced death of shep and the BS MES or whatever it is is set so dam high the there is no real way of getting that score without MP

[sumo390]

Sarz91 wrote...

I honestly believe Bioware thought this would just all pass over. Now that it has continued I believe they don't really know how to respond. They keep using the "We're waiting for more players to finish." Translated means "We're waiting for all of you to forget about it."

Fans will definitely remember this incident the next time Bioware comes along trying to sell another new franchise

[RussianOrc]

Captain Arty wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/IhOjP.png

perfect representation, now send it to bioware.