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[Menthro]

Ill gladly look like a jackass for some closure.

[RussianOrc]

firas333 wrote...

One stupid thing about indoctrination theory is the fact that war assets matter, I mean how does playing more MP or scanning all planets make Shephard get different hallucinations?

because it gives him more time to wake up while the allied forces keep the reapers busy.

[vrumpt]

As much as I want the indoctrination theory to be true, I honestly think its just a last ditch effort of desperation by the community to take a bunch of horrible writing that fell together coincidentally and turn it into something acceptable by the community, that simultaneously gives them hope.

My biggest gripe with the theory, is that if true it means the Reaper conflict isn't resolved and war is still raging on Earth. On the other hand, if Bioware takes this theory and runs with it then I can bear to play through ME3 again since there's still a chance all of my decisions will still mean something for the future.

And I recognize that its possible that when a proper ending is released there still will be that feeling of my choices didn't mean squat since its .. the end.. but i think if we are given a ton of closure on everything that we have done it will be fine.

[Joy Sauce]

I'm not sure entirely what I'm going to say yet, but I'll start with a spoiler alert, though I'm pretty sure most people won't need it.

I can understand the writers wanting a bittersweet ending to be the most common ending, it seems kind of appropriate given the tone of the game. But a super-happy ending where the reapers are simply destroyed and Shepard doesn't die and no one gets stranded should still be available (maybe on second run-through only?). It's like BioWare forgot how many run-throughs hardcore players do. There are loads of people who have maleSheps and femSheps and fully renegade and fully paragon Sheps, as well as mixed morality ones, and don't get me started on relationships. To only have 3 basic and very similar endings to choose from for all those Shepards, you can't help but feel cheated. What I'm saying is that I'm happy to finish a game with a bittersweet ending which kills Shepard and leaves the galaxies civilizations in shambles, but I would also like to have an ending where the reapers get their asses kicked and Shepard survives and walks off into the sunset with his/her love interest.

And what about closure? As corny as it sounds, I genuinely cared about what happened to the characters in this games, not just my squadmates and former squadmates either. Did the Council and other people on the citadel survive? Did Aria get her club back? What about Admiral Hackett? What about the thousands upon thousands of people who were rallied to the fight? All the Quarians cut off from Rannoch, the Krogan from Tuchanka, the Turians from Palaven, and the list goes on. What happened to them?

The universe of Mass Effect is a rich, vibrant creation full of interesting cultures, fascinating places and engaging characters. By destroying the mass relays you are effectively destroying this universe. The existence of the mass relays are what tied everything together, What allowed the cultures and people of this universe to come together, and our only option at the end is to destroy it? I know this is the final Mass Effect game, it should be. But that doesn't mean the world of Mass Effect should end. There should still be the option for fanfiction as well as licensed novels/comics to continue to be made following the events of the last game. Are you telling me that there are no more stories that can come out of this universe after the reapers are destroyed? Or are we supposed to write fanfic about all the Turians dying on Earth for lack of amino-dextrous food?

Anyways sorry for wall of text but what I'm trying to say is that for a game where you make so many choices and invest so much of yourself in it, it hurts when your only options at the end of the game are so restrictive and frankly the complete opposite of what you wanted.

Modifié par Joy Sauce, 12 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[Tyranniac]

I think we should try to avoid discussing the indoctrination/hallucination theory or other explanations of the endings since this is rather counter-productive to our cause and might decrease the chances of BioWare fixing the ending, since they see that we are inventing our own interpretations.

[savionen]

babachewie wrote...

I dont really believe they are "bad" endings. Either way you stop the reapers which was the point. Life goes on proven in the epilogue. Shepard can live proven in the secret ending. Just because you don't ride off into the sunset doesnt make it a bad ending. Maybe most people just don't understand it. Everyone just wants to make wild accusations and theorys. i think they have a plan and if it turns out to be awesome then a lot of people are gonna look like jackasses. 

Well....

Option A) You try to control the reapers, which is supposed to be impossible, and since Shepard dies, it seems more like temporary control. Who says they won't come back? Also you're suddenly just the Illusive Man.

Option  You ignore free-will and the variety of life, and force everyone to be a mix of organic and synthetic.

Option C) You kill almost everyone in the galaxy, directly or indirectly.

[J5550123]

babachewie wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I think the endings had to be some what the same. Mainly because its the end. When they start a new trilogy they would have to pick a new canon and i think they wanted to not have so many ending choices and people be mad that they didnt pick theirs. The one thing we can expect is the mass relays being gone. I think thats what they really wanted to set up for whatever comes next.

That isn't the point, the point is that they realised this problem (that if they intend to make a future game, they can't if they differentiate them too much) and then fixed it. Only issue is that they've fixed it by making ALL options the bad ending. This makes another problem, in that now because of them leaving only three bad endings, they can't continue the franchise much further without a true canon (which they were trying to avoid) anyway. They've stopped water draining out of one hole by making an equal, if not bigger hole. Now we're all stuck with bad endings, that are riddled with plot holes and make absolutely no sense. It seriously seems as though Bioware gave the job of writing the endings to the inexperienced janitor. They haven't given us what we wanted, or given us a plausible or possible future.

Mind you, if they do release a future game, I pray to god that they DON'T make us import. With the damage that they've done to it, I'd honestly prefer if the last game was all told by a drunken crew-member of the Normandy, or some other excuse, because they've essentially ruined the entire thing. They could have made a good, Halo-esque ending, by which I mean that they tied up the loose ends, but still left space for more strings to be tied, and we would all be happy and 89% of the community wouldn't be unsatisfied with the three shambolic endings that have been forced down our throats.

I dont really believe they are "bad" endings. Either way you stop the reapers which was the point. Life goes on proven in the epilogue. Shepard can live proven in the secret ending. Just because you don't ride off into the sunset doesnt make it a bad ending. Maybe most people just don't understand it. Everyone just wants to make wild accusations and theorys. i think they have a plan and if it turns out to be awesome then a lot of people are gonna look like jackasses. 

Bad as in depressing for me. Also bad because there wasn't enough closure in my opinion. I don't mind if there are sad endings with sacrifice, but a lot of people want variety. If they made sad endings, then why not make some happy endings too?

Modifié par J5550123, 12 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[DieHigh2012]

cerberus1701 wrote...

To all the people slamming me....accusing me of "making things up:

Rob8228:

"Not only did we pay for ir, we were promised our choices would impact the game. So, if this really is the end, as far as I am concerned, they lied through their teeth."

Completely fair point. One can point to many interviews where this was at least implied.

Yet in the next breath:

"We paid for the past games, and we paid for the DLC. The ending was terrible, we are well within our rights"

I'm owed.

See the difference?

Actually ain't it the same? We are owed becasue they promised we would get a satifying ending, and we have been loyal fan of this trilogy since day one...

I alos know that Bioware doesn't *have* to do anything, but this is a public forum of their most die hard fans. When well over 20,000 of these die hard fans vote that they do not like the ending; the sadness and the questions of why are justfied.

There is a poll but I'm lazy, find it yourself. It seems to me you are spliting haris to give your views a look of credibilty.

[christrek1982]

I think I can some up one of my issues with the end very simply I dose not feel like a victory A last sitch attempt mabe but to me the reapers still win.

[Elanor]

[KaiserinKai]

Bioware needs to comment on this soon or they stand to lose a lot of money, with all those people returning games and canceling accounts.

Why can't they just give us something, anything solid. They don't need to spoil the ending, just let us know that they understand and will do something about it.

[Rob8228]

TamiBx wrote...

Guys, don't forget to vote here too!! 
gamerant.com/mass-effect-3-game-ending-fan-petition-johnj-137926/

Nice to see we are getting similar results there too.

[mulder1199]

cotheer wrote...

Darkieus wrote...

Twitter posts by developers and others seems the Indoctrination theory is true- the Reapers won.

Link or i... well you know the rest.

the reapers won, so instead of 3 endings, there's 1 and it's much worse....teehee

[J5550123]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

To all the people slamming me....accusing me of "making things up:

Rob8228:

"Not only did we pay for ir, we were promised our choices would impact the game. So, if this really is the end, as far as I am concerned, they lied through their teeth."

Completely fair point. One can point to many interviews where this was at least implied.

Yet in the next breath:

"We paid for the past games, and we paid for the DLC. The ending was terrible, we are well within our rights"

I'm owed.

See the difference?

Actually ain't it the same? We are owed becasue they promised we would get a satifying ending, and we have been loyal fan of this trilogy since day one...

I alos know that Bioware doesn't *have* to do anything, but this is a public forum of their most die hard fans. When well over 20,000 of these die hard fans vote that they do not like the ending; the sadness and the questions of why are justfied.

There is a poll but I'm lazy, find it yourself. It seems to me you are spliting haris to give your views a look of credibilty.

Here's the poll.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

[TamiBx]

Tyranniac wrote...

I think we should try to avoid discussing the indoctrination/hallucination theory or other explanations of the endings since this is rather counter-productive to our cause and might decrease the chances of BioWare fixing the ending, since they see that we are inventing our own interpretations.

There is a whole thread for that theory here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/193

Can we just try to keep the two threads separate, so that we can stay on topic (here, being a thread for why we hated the ending and there for what we think actually happened)? 

[Phoenix-Warden]

Please, please BW. Say anything There are so many fans that deserve a statement!

[babachewie]

savionen wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I dont really believe they are "bad" endings. Either way you stop the reapers which was the point. Life goes on proven in the epilogue. Shepard can live proven in the secret ending. Just because you don't ride off into the sunset doesnt make it a bad ending. Maybe most people just don't understand it. Everyone just wants to make wild accusations and theorys. i think they have a plan and if it turns out to be awesome then a lot of people are gonna look like jackasses. 

Well....

Option A) You try to control the reapers, which is supposed to be impossible, and since Shepard dies, it seems more like temporary control. Who says they won't come back? Also you're suddenly just the Illusive Man.

Option  You ignore free-will and the variety of life, and force everyone to be a mix of organic and synthetic.

Option C) You kill almost everyone in the galaxy, directly or indirectly.

There's no proof you kill almost everyone in the galaxy. They just said synthetics. you can control the reapers and live if your rating is high and you destroyed the collecter base and I agree I dont really like the synthesis option.

[laughing sherpa girl]

babachewie wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I think the endings had to be some what the same. Mainly because its the end. When they start a new trilogy they would have to pick a new canon and i think they wanted to not have so many ending choices and people be mad that they didnt pick theirs. The one thing we can expect is the mass relays being gone. I think thats what they really wanted to set up for whatever comes next.

That isn't the point, the point is that they realised this problem (that if they intend to make a future game, they can't if they differentiate them too much) and then fixed it. Only issue is that they've fixed it by making ALL options the bad ending. This makes another problem, in that now because of them leaving only three bad endings, they can't continue the franchise much further without a true canon (which they were trying to avoid) anyway. They've stopped water draining out of one hole by making an equal, if not bigger hole. Now we're all stuck with bad endings, that are riddled with plot holes and make absolutely no sense. It seriously seems as though Bioware gave the job of writing the endings to the inexperienced janitor. They haven't given us what we wanted, or given us a plausible or possible future.

Mind you, if they do release a future game, I pray to god that they DON'T make us import. With the damage that they've done to it, I'd honestly prefer if the last game was all told by a drunken crew-member of the Normandy, or some other excuse, because they've essentially ruined the entire thing. They could have made a good, Halo-esque ending, by which I mean that they tied up the loose ends, but still left space for more strings to be tied, and we would all be happy and 89% of the community wouldn't be unsatisfied with the three shambolic endings that have been forced down our throats.

I dont really believe they are "bad" endings. Either way you stop the reapers which was the point. Life goes on proven in the epilogue. Shepard can live proven in the secret ending. Just because you don't ride off into the sunset doesnt make it a bad ending. Maybe most people just don't understand it. Everyone just wants to make wild accusations and theorys. i think they have a plan and if it turns out to be awesome then a lot of people are gonna look like jackasses. 

Then i'll look like a jackass.  I'd rather try and fail and be found a jackass, than not do anything at all. if appearances werer all that mattered, we'd all be playing with barbie, not in here expressing our views openly regardless of the flak thats thrown at us..

Modifié par laughing sherpa girl, 12 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[Generic Name]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Bioware needs to comment on this soon or they stand to lose a lot of money, with all those people returning games and canceling accounts.

They already have our money so they do not need to comment on anything (doubt they will).

These plot holes are all we are going to be left with besides meaningless story DLC that does not address the ending issues.

[RussianOrc]

TamiBx wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

I think we should try to avoid discussing the indoctrination/hallucination theory or other explanations of the endings since this is rather counter-productive to our cause and might decrease the chances of BioWare fixing the ending, since they see that we are inventing our own interpretations.

There is a whole thread for that theory here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/193

Can we just try to keep the two threads separate, so that we can stay on topic (here, being a thread for why we hated the ending and there for what we think actually happened)? 

Right.....back to reality

[Mhgasa]

mulder1199 wrote...

cotheer wrote...

Darkieus wrote...

Twitter posts by developers and others seems the Indoctrination theory is true- the Reapers won.

Link or i... well you know the rest.

the reapers won, so instead of 3 endings, there's 1 and it's much worse....teehee

If this turnes out to indeed be true, then we are left with even more unanswered questions? im really baffled if there isnt a dlc or atleast something to wrap things up. Its just a complete mess atm.

[TumblingBumblebee]

Seeing how the fight keeps going on I'm really starting to get my hopes up >.<

The frustration and depression the "endings" caused is vanishing  and I can't stop laughing everytime I think about "Space Magic" XD I even started playing ME 1 again!

For an even better ME3! For a ME3 with real endings!

[_brain]

Bumping this link so it doesn't get lost in the noise =)

http://retakeme3.priv.nu/