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[FugitiveMind]

What I'm truly not understanding here is the delay in response. I understand the PR mill needs time to wind up but still...

The longer this goes, the more effect it's going to have. End of the month for interpretation discussions? People will have themselves set in stone by then. Popular opinion (around here at least) in it's current form is not something best left to fester.

I have extolled the first two games to my friends, recommending they all play.
I bought almost everything for the first 2 games.
I plan to do neither for this one. That's lost revenue and publicity.

Yes I'm only one person, but judging from the 800 pages here, I'm not the only one.
EA said that 40% of the people that bought ME3 got the Day 1 DLC. I understand why it was Day 1 now, as if it was this Tuesday, I can't imagine the number being anywhere near that high, and judging from the common theme, won't be high for anything "coming".

It's one thing to buy some DLC and find out it has no impact.
It's something completely different to convince yourself to buy if you KNOW there is no impact.

At this time I can't make myself even consider buying anything else for this game, and the longer there is no information to convince me otherwise, the easier it will be to just shelve and forget about it. And if I'm told i have to PAY for the end of the story sometime in a few months after already buying what was supposed to be the end of the story now? I don't even have the words yet, except for those not used in polite company...

I'm not campaigning for a "good" ending or a "better" ending or saying that the current endings were "bad". There's just too much interpretation involved in those words that lead to tangents on destruction or rainbows.

I wanted a quality ending. Something that matched the quality of the first 29.8 hours of my 30 hour playthrough. Mordin and Legion got better sendoffs than Shepard did for crying out loud.
And that, unfortunately, is something I most certainly did not get...

TL;DR-
1) Time is not on their side
2) The ending issue is not good or bad, it's quality
3) DLC is not really possible in the current state

Modifié par FugitiveMind, 12 mars 2012 - 07:45 .

[Matt_gekko88]

Comment on Youtube:

"BioWare, give us a better ending!
I have promised to Dr. Chakwas that we will open that damn bottle after we defeat the Reapers."

I so love all ME-Fans

[cerberus1701]

Rob8228 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

To all the people slamming me....accusing me of "making things up:

Rob8228:

"Not only did we pay for ir, we were promised our choices would impact the game. So, if this really is the end, as far as I am concerned, they lied through their teeth."

Completely fair point. One can point to many interviews where this was at least implied.

Yet in the next breath:

"We paid for the past games, and we paid for the DLC. The ending was terrible, we are well within our rights"

I'm owed.

See the difference?

If I am promised something and do not receive it after I paid for it, then yes I am owed. If you can't see that I can't help you. If they told me I was being forced into one ending, I wouldn't be thrilled with the ending we have now, I might even voice my displeasure for it, but I certainly would not feel like they owe me the different endings they promised.

I can and do see that. It was implied. And implied for a while.

Players were promised different endings. Technically that's what happened, but the outcomes were so minimally different that you can argue with a straight face that it didn't matter.

But what if they had had seperate and distinct endings, yet none of them were particularly "good?" As in, don't put Shep or his crew back together. Or him sawing 2x4s for the house on Rannoch, would it still be an issue?

Does different have to mean "happy" or just "happier than this?" Would you and others be cool with the latter?

[Tyranniac]

I just realised that this thread is starting to fill me with hope. It's so annoying! I don't want to hope just to end up being disappointed again. *slap self*

[Aramina]

babachewie wrote...

savionen wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I dont really believe they are "bad" endings. Either way you stop the reapers which was the point. Life goes on proven in the epilogue. Shepard can live proven in the secret ending. Just because you don't ride off into the sunset doesnt make it a bad ending. Maybe most people just don't understand it. Everyone just wants to make wild accusations and theorys. i think they have a plan and if it turns out to be awesome then a lot of people are gonna look like jackasses. 

Well....

Option A) You try to control the reapers, which is supposed to be impossible, and since Shepard dies, it seems more like temporary control. Who says they won't come back? Also you're suddenly just the Illusive Man.

Option  You ignore free-will and the variety of life, and force everyone to be a mix of organic and synthetic.

Option C) You kill almost everyone in the galaxy, directly or indirectly.

There's no proof you kill almost everyone in the galaxy. They just said synthetics. you can control the reapers and live if your rating is high and you destroyed the collecter base and I agree I dont really like the synthesis option.

I think they're referring to the fact that everyone is now stranded in the Sol System (the majority of the fleets anyway). For the dextros this means almost certain death. As for everyone else...how long do you think a ruined planet can support those numbers? And all of the non-argicultural colonies that are now cut off from trade?

[Rosery99]

The ending, ah yes...the ending. Well let us assume for a moment that everything goes on to be good, ASSUME. The ending still sucks for multiple reasons:

-No Closure, No Epilogue of any sort
-No explaination for a lot of big plot holes and this is the end, I don't want to be wondering about stuff, I want it to be over so I can be happy with the series.
-Only potential choice is shepard dying with again, no visualization of our choices.
-The one ending where Shepard appears alive, considering his/her wounds he/she would likely bleed out before he/she is found.

Without Assuming:

-Quarians and the Turians all die in two of the three choices
-You've damned the fleets you brought to earth to either infighting over minimal resources or starvation
-There are no communcations, ghost kid notes anything based on Reaper Tech stopped working, all technology is based on reaper tech to some level, Soverign said as much, "You evolve along the lines we wish and you will end because we demand it."
-There are no more high tech food production, see above.
-Stone age come around, no medicine or medical aid really, anyone wounded is damned as well.

War is never happy but this isn't real life, its a damn game and I want my happy ending, I want the ending I feel Bioware had been building towards with all this talk of hope and seeing people after the battle. Oh that reminds me,

-No victory conversations, just the crappy Stargazer bit...yea...

Also the Stargazer bit woulda been cool, if we'd gotten proper epliogue and a few different endings, perhaps happier and perhaps sadder too. Cause you know you're name lives on for Generations...but as it stands it seems more like a middle finger saying "Nothing you did mattered, it was all a story."

Modifié par Rosery99, 12 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[vpalma]

tay2208 wrote...

Just got this from another forum, this guy makes some VERY good points. I still have a little faith after reading this.  Credit goes to "ddman12".



First of all I would like to make it clear this not a troll post or trying to get peoples' hopes up. I genuinely, 100% believe we are going to be getting an expansion, and it was their plan all along. Here is my argument:

1.) Bioware Comments- Pre-launch, Bioware told us to make sure we keep our saves. That gives us the insight that Bioware definitely has plans to do more ME games. It does not mean ME4 because we all know that Commander Shepard's story is wrapping up with ME3. Post-launch, Michael Gamble said that if we knew what they had planned we would keep our ME3 game forever. He later said in another tweet that he wasn't talking about DLC. What else could he possibly mean besides an expansion?

2.)Bioware's History- I'm talking specifically about the fact that they have done expansions with their earlier games. We loved BG2, They gave us BG:TOB, We loved DA:O, specifically the warden. They gave us DA:A to continue his/her story since DA:O was the only game with the warden. We love Mass Effect and Commander Shepard. This is his/her last story. They are going to reward us with more, just like before. Not to mention the fact that they also have a good history with ending their games(IMO). In BG:TOB they gave that character the greatest ending possible. In Kotor, they gave us a great LS AND DS ending.DA:O's ending was epic. DA2's ending was......well forget about DA2. But ME1 and ME2's endings were also pretty good. This company knows how to end their games.

3.)It's Good Business- Yes I said it. It is good business. I'm a 40 year old man who has been playing video games since Pong. I'm also a business owner who has been in the corporate world for over 20 years. Suits love money. Suits will do anything possible to suck every last dime out of a product while they can. So if you're sitting in EA's shoes, how do you maximize profit out of the last game in a franchise. Answer, you do what they did in Harry Potter and Twilight. You split it up and make even more money. You make your customers so hungry for more that they're willing to pay any price to get more product. They also figured they would build good will with their customers when they announce the expansion. We as customers always, always want more. Why would they purposefully anger their customers with an incomplete ending? Answer, they probably thought they left enough clues about an expansion and had no idea of the poop storm that came there way. I think everyone is still so full of emotion that we weren't picking up the clues that are right in front of our face. I was like that too until last night so I'm not bashing anyone for it.

4.) Indoctrination Theory- Also known as the hallucination theory. People seriously need to go to that thread and check it out. It makes perfect sense as to why Shepard's experience in the citadel wasn't real. They're doing good work over there.

5.) The Endings and the Leak- The endings themselves are proof to me of an expansion. 2 of the 3 options end in Shepard's death. In ME2, if you didn't get the upgrades and help your companions it was possible albeit unlikely that you could fail your mission. In ME3, if you don't get your assets up or make the wrong choice in the end you fail your mission. The game highlights(as displayed by using Anderson) no it practically screams out for you to take the destroy option. This is the only way to end up with a Shepard who's alive. This is so you can continue your journey in an expansion. This is also why in a NG+ and you take the destroy option you automatically see the scene where shepard is alive. They are telling us what they want us to do. There must be a reason for this, and that reason is....Expansion!!!! We're all aware of the leak. The changes from the leaked script and what was in the game are negligible. Do you really think that Bioware would take the chance that their Mona Lisa could be ruined? The reason the game did not have wholesale changes and a delay is because they knew it didn't matter. They knew there was going to be an expansion to get the real ending so they saw no need to make big changes. Bioware is smart, they know not everyone is going to buy the expansion. However, when you know you are going to make an expansion, you still have to end the game in a way that allows for that expansion but still gives players a quasi-ending.

6.)Unresolved Citadel Plotlines- This is my guess and not based on facts so bear with me. I believe that we will be forced to take the citadel. It makes absolutely no sense that the citadel has a mechanism that can defeat the reapers and it would be completely unguarded. There also was no boss battle in ME3. The citadel is where we will face that boss. The art book says "we wanted to give players the satisfaction of fighting a character they know rather than a random creature." This is on page 20 of the art book. I don't remember a boss battle, do you? Not to mention the fact that after 3 games of annoyance and frustration, do you really think that Bioware would not let us see the fate of the Citadel Council? I don't think so. Also, Ashley's sister was on the citadel when it was taken, do you really think that she would not say anything about it? I really don't think so. Commander Bailey is still on the citadel and I'm sure we'll run into him as well.

7.) The Prothean- This may be my weakest argument (and I'm sure you'll let me know) because I haven't played with him in my party yet. Even though I have the CE, in my idiocy I forgot to download the damn code into Origin. From what I've read in the forums, at some point he says he is the catalyst. Because he's a DLC character, he cannot be the deciding factor in the defeat of the reapers. However, in an expansion where the from ashes DLC is magically included(frickin suits) and you have an auto save where you can still pick him up b/4 going to Earth, that no longer is a problem for those that didn't have him in there original playthrough.

8.) Normandy- We all know Joker and the crew, We all know that there are absolutely zero circumstances in which the crew would desert Shepard. We know this. Bioware knows this. Bioware knows we know that Bioware knows this. There are even some audio files where Joker aids us while we're on Earth. How much do you want to bet those files appear in the expansion?

9.)Future Games- If the endings stayed as is, there would be no more ME games. Who wants to play a ME game where there is no citadel and no mode of transportation to reach the entire galaxy. One of the strengths of the game are the diversity of the species and characters we come across. Without those things, there would be no reason to play anymore. That's something the suits will not allow. I guarantee it.

10.) Shepard is alive!- The simple fact that he/she is alive guarantees an expansion. Do you really think that they're going to end Shepard's story with a breath? C'mon folks we're better than that. Remember in Kotor when our identity was revealed and most of us were shocked? I was kicking myself after that because the clues were there all game. Don't be Revanized once again! The biggest clue however is:

11.)Teaser Trailer- They gave us a freakin teaser trailer for the expansion!!!! The old man says ok, one more shepard story. Repeat after me. ONE MORE SHEPARD STORY!!!!! I'm actually angry at myself for not realizing this right away. I'm sure they'll release some DLC to tide us over until the expansion comes out but it Will happen . So come on BSN, pick your chin up off the floor and get excited again. We're going to get to play our shepard's again.

I like this very thought out and would explain alot. thank you for the read. I don't feel so cheated now.

[Sarz91]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Snip....

Actually ain't it the same? We are owed becasue they promised we would get a satifying ending, and we have been loyal fan of this trilogy since day one...

I alos know that Bioware doesn't *have* to do anything, but this is a public forum of their most die hard fans. When well over 20,000 of these die hard fans vote that they do not like the ending; the sadness and the questions of why are justfied.

There is a poll but I'm lazy, find it yourself. It seems to me you are spliting haris to give your views a look of credibilty.

You aren't "owed" anything. The "ending for everyone" was a genralisation. Nothing can make everyone happy. I would like a new ending but am I demanding one? No. Unless they specifically stated that ending "x" or "y" was a certainty then you bought in on a variable ending. Unfortunately, for me anyway, I wasn't all that satisfied but it doesn't mean they owe me anything. Do you realise how unbelievably rude you sound? 

[Alamandorious]

AwesomeName wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I liked the ending - I wouldn't have minded an epilogue that takes place a few centuries in the future though with someone like Liara:

*ship drops out of FTL - rear of pilot's helmet in foreground, overlooking blue planet dominating the screen*
*slowly zooms in and focusses on planet*
*cuts back to pilots face; it's Liara... she smiles knowingly - camera lingers on her and fades to black*
Fin.

Btw, I love how the final mission plays out pretty much how I had imagined (including the Clint Mansell music)

Seriously, wouldn't the above satisfy people? *sees if post doesn't get buried*

heh. dont take getting buried seriously if that happens. it isnt personal. I myself have had several posts buried and unanswered and i'm one of the protesters. For myself no, that would not be a satisfactory ending. I want this to be an indoctrination/hallucination sequence because i cannot accept a Shep who cuts off his own quads, sticks his tail between his butt cheeks and destroys half the damned galaxy.. I want a rewrite of the ending..

She doesn't destroy half the galaxy though - hell, even without my suggestion, it's still pretty clear you save everyone and give galactic civilisation a future (assuming you went with either control or destroy).  I don't understand how people are getting the impression you just doomed the galaxy :/  You destroyed the relays, which is technology someone will eventually crack like the protheans did and seed them everywhere, which won't really take that long in galactic terms.  The advanced races have all the time in the world now to forge their own future (that's pretty much what the scene with Joker and Liara represents).  As for Shep's conclusion, that's tied up with the choice you make - pretty much everything she's been fighting for was for that moment, and she gets it.  But if that wasn't enough, if you get your EMS high enough, you can get even more finality and see her in the rubble afterwards.

I must be one of the few people who thought it was a happy ending. :/

Except that the Mass Relays destroy the terrestrial worlds in the solar systems they're in when they go boom.  This is supported by 'The Arrival' for mass effect 2, and the actual in-game codex for mass effect 3.

[cerberus1701]

3) DLC is not really possible in the current state

Why not? Can't you just pick up with Shep breathing and go from there?

[Generic Name]

cerberus1701 wrote...


3) DLC is not really possible in the current state

Why not? Can't you just pick up with Shep breathing and go from there?

Not everyone picked that ending.

[Lan_EX]

JosephDucreux wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

And that's probably what EAWare was counting on to boost profits. F*ckers.

Jokes aside, we get told at the end of the game that we will able to "enhance" our experience by playing DLC or other contents... I did not quite care until now.

Honestly, the ending hit me while I was as dazzel as BroShep, so I could only react to the Guardian with an :okay: and picked a choice.


A more elaborated ending, or with more distinguished differences according to ALL our progress throughout this saga would have been nice -- but oh well. If this is the way you intended to end all this, I cannot complain much since I "quite" liked it.

[Rob8228]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

To all the people slamming me....accusing me of "making things up:

Rob8228:

"Not only did we pay for ir, we were promised our choices would impact the game. So, if this really is the end, as far as I am concerned, they lied through their teeth."

Completely fair point. One can point to many interviews where this was at least implied.

Yet in the next breath:

"We paid for the past games, and we paid for the DLC. The ending was terrible, we are well within our rights"

I'm owed.

See the difference?

If I am promised something and do not receive it after I paid for it, then yes I am owed. If you can't see that I can't help you. If they told me I was being forced into one ending, I wouldn't be thrilled with the ending we have now, I might even voice my displeasure for it, but I certainly would not feel like they owe me the different endings they promised.

I can and do see that. It was implied. And implied for a while.

Players were promised different endings. Technically that's what happened, but the outcomes were so minimally different that you can argue with a straight face that it didn't matter.

But what if they had had seperate and distinct endings, yet none of them were particularly "good?" As in, don't put Shep or his crew back together. Or him sawing 2x4s for the house on Rannoch, would it still be an issue?

Does different have to mean "happy" or just "happier than this?" Would you and others be cool with the latter?

Happy? No, I expected some happiness. I didn't expect Disney, nor do I. But I expect to get different results based on my choices. If I create allies and bind the entire galaxy together, it should count for something. I was prepared for my Shepard to die. I suspected there might be one ending where he lives. 

The thing is, when he dies I want hime to got out fighting, not submitting like he did. That was not in hiss character. Not ever.

[EidolonSpecter]

Note to Bioware: I don't hate you. Really I don't. I do, however, hate the "choices" you gave us for the ME3 ending. I loved the game - so many emotional ups and downs. Like when I accidentally killed off Tali in my first playthrough. The impact of choices was REALLY an impact - and that's what I love about Mass Effect! But then the ending...where everything ended with Shepard dead, people cut off from each other...no hope, no life, just a very depressing ship-crash.

Now, I don't mind that kind of ending, as long as it's not the only one. Choosing death is okay by me, as long as it's a choice - at the end, it wasn't. So I would really love to see an alternate ending - I don't care if it's a DLC that costs 3200 BioWare points, I'd buy it.

Think of this as an incentive to make more money. =P

[karambiatos]

cerberus1701 wrote...


3) DLC is not really possible in the current state

Why not? Can't you just pick up with Shep breathing and go from there?

thats the thing if DLC isnt about the ending whats really the point of it? since the difference wont matter.
space magic will engulf the galaxy fix or destroy everything and shepard will still be sitting in rubble and doing gaps

[Puppet Doctor]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Erm, anyways, has anyone else continued to have trouble sleeping because of this?

Me, how do I make the dreams stop?

I think I keep dreaming about Mass Effect 3. The second night after I beat the game I was talking about Mass Effect 3 in my sleep and today I was imagining an article written up on Joystiq about the endings. 

[cotheer]

Tyranniac wrote...

I just realised that this thread is starting to fill me with hope. It's so annoying! I don't want to hope just to end up being disappointed again. *slap self*

I've spent more time here, than playing the actual game 

[J5550123]

cerberus1701 wrote...


3) DLC is not really possible in the current state

Why not? Can't you just pick up with Shep breathing and go from there?

I don't mind that idea so much. Downloadable content that has Shepard waking up and having to escape the Citadel or something like that. That way they could have him reunite with his crew, and love interest and we get our happy ending.

Modifié par J5550123, 12 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[OverwatchGMX]

Anybody else getting rubbed the wrong way by all these twitter posts about;

"So-and-so has a theory about the ending!!!"

Why should there be theories about the ending? It's supposed to be the ending... All knots ties, last page turned, closing the door.
Not a case of "Okay, I've done the campaign, let's try dissect every scrap of what happened and try to piece together what 'might' of happened... Give us an ending for the choices we made. Simple as..

[Chernaya]

I know this has been said before, but the main point I'm disappointed with these endings is because I felt like the same thing generally happens no matter what choices I made or will make. I was really hoping for some really varied endings - happy, sad, ect. It would really bump up the replay value to have endings like that as well, instead of the same 7 or however many there are, with really trivial differences.

[gaps1]

I think I will go play ME2, For 20th time at least I get the ending I worked dam hard for, Knowing no matter what I do I can't win in ME3 is so sad.

I feel so let down, I wan't to uninstall it.

[Rosery99]

I wish they'd just tell us, even if they said it'll be six months till that "Expansion/DLC" I'd be like "...Okay. I can live with that I guess, it sucks but I'll live." And I could pick up and move on, I just want something concrete from Bioware, that's all. Not to much ask is it?

[DieHigh2012]

Sarz91 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Snip....

Actually ain't it the same? We are owed becasue they promised we would get a satifying ending, and we have been loyal fan of this trilogy since day one...

I alos know that Bioware doesn't *have* to do anything, but this is a public forum of their most die hard fans. When well over 20,000 of these die hard fans vote that they do not like the ending; the sadness and the questions of why are justfied.

There is a poll but I'm lazy, find it yourself. It seems to me you are spliting haris to give your views a look of credibilty.

You aren't "owed" anything. The "ending for everyone" was a genralisation. Nothing can make everyone happy. I would like a new ending but am I demanding one? No. Unless they specifically stated that ending "x" or "y" was a certainty then you bought in on a variable ending. Unfortunately, for me anyway, I wasn't all that satisfied but it doesn't mean they owe me anything. Do you realise how unbelievably rude you sound? 

I was counteracting the post of cerberus1701, and if you think that was rude look at the majority of his post in this thread...

I also said Bioeware doesn't have to do anything, meaning I know I am not owed.I only mean that the sadness and questions of why in this thread are justifyed by such a large protion of the BSN voting they do not like the endings. I was simply countering his logic. Pleas read more carfully before calling me rude,

Modifié par DieHigh2012, 12 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[TamiBx]

J5550123 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...


3) DLC is not really possible in the current state

Why not? Can't you just pick up with Shep breathing and go from there?

I don't mind that idea so much. Downloadable content that has Shepard waking up and having to escape the Citadel or something like that. That way they could have him reunite with his crew, and love interest and we get our happy ending.

Exactly, We are happy and they make tons of money in the process. Just take our money, Bioware!!