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I liked the ending - I wouldn't have minded an epilogue that takes place a few centuries in the future though with someone like Liara:

*ship drops out of FTL - rear of pilot's helmet in foreground, overlooking blue planet dominating the screen*
*slowly zooms in and focusses on planet*
*cuts back to pilots face; it's Liara... she smiles knowingly - camera lingers on her and fades to black*
Fin.

Btw, I love how the final mission plays out pretty much how I had imagined (including the Clint Mansell music)


Seriously, wouldn't the above satisfy people? *sees if post doesn't get buried*


heh. dont take getting buried seriously if that happens. it isnt personal. I myself have had several posts buried and unanswered and i'm one of the protesters. For myself no, that would not be a satisfactory ending. I want this to be an indoctrination/hallucination sequence because i cannot accept a Shep who cuts off his own quads, sticks his tail between his butt cheeks and destroys half the damned galaxy.. I want a rewrite of the ending..


She doesn't destroy half the galaxy though - hell, even without my suggestion, it's still pretty clear you save everyone and give galactic civilisation a future (assuming you went with either control or destroy).  I don't understand how people are getting the impression you just doomed the galaxy :/  You destroyed the relays, which is technology someone will eventually crack like the protheans did and seed them everywhere, which won't really take that long in galactic terms.  The advanced races have all the time in the world now to forge their own future (that's pretty much what the scene with Joker and Liara represents).  As for Shep's conclusion, that's tied up with the choice you make - pretty much everything she's been fighting for was for that moment, and she gets it.  But if that wasn't enough, if you get your EMS high enough, you can get even more finality and see her in the rubble afterwards.

I must be one of the few people who thought it was a happy ending. :/


Except that the Mass Relays destroy the terrestrial worlds in the solar systems they're in when they go boom.  This is supported by 'The Arrival' for mass effect 2, and the actual in-game codex for mass effect 3.


The technical details of how they're destroyed probably aren't the same as in arrival though - if your EMS is high enough Earth is still there despite having the Charon Relay.  So yeah, it probably doesn't explode in the same way.  What does the codex say about what the crucible does to the relays?  I would think the physics behind how the relays are destroyed by the crucible/catalyst in ME3 is completely unknown since the event has never happened before.

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Casey Hudson posted this on Twitter a while ago:

@ParallelFire You are correct. We have a rule on the team that there are no canon choices. We leave it to you to decide Shepard's true path.

His words feel like a punch in the stomach – again.

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Did anyone else have issues getting to the site for the last little while?

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http://i.imgur.com/IhOjP.png


You need to Erase a bit of the line that connects to the endings, that would represent it better considering how disconnected it is from the story so far.

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Another article by Kotaku.  This time not by Owen and talks about if companies should change story, even if it is "art"

kotaku.com/5892526/if-games-can-be-patched-why-cant-their-stories

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Rosery99 wrote...

Did anyone else have issues getting to the site for the last little while?


Sure did.  Site was down for a while.

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An interesting article on Kotaku. Note that the author states he has not completed ME3.

Also, an interesting news post by Tycho at Penny Arcade. He seems to sympathize with us, though he seems not to want to talk about the endings too much until Gabe has seen them and they've talked about it.

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 BSN was down for 10 min (at least for me) and it felt like an eternity...thought it would be down forever...:crying:

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Rosery99 wrote...

Did anyone else have issues getting to the site for the last little while?


I did.

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I dont really believe they are "bad" endings. Either way you stop the reapers which was the point. Life goes on proven in the epilogue. Shepard can live proven in the secret ending. Just because you don't ride off into the sunset doesnt make it a bad ending. Maybe most people just don't understand it. Everyone just wants to make wild accusations and theorys. i think they have a plan and if it turns out to be awesome then a lot of people are gonna look like jackasses. 


Well....

Option A) You try to control the reapers, which is supposed to be impossible, and since Shepard dies, it seems more like temporary control. Who says they won't come back? Also you're suddenly just the Illusive Man.

Option B) You ignore free-will and the variety of life, and force everyone to be a mix of organic and synthetic.

Option C) You kill almost everyone in the galaxy, directly or indirectly.


There's no proof you kill almost everyone in the galaxy. They just said synthetics. you can control the reapers and live if your rating is high and you destroyed the collecter base and I agree I dont really like the synthesis option.


Yeah option C is news to me :/  You only kill the Reapers and any synthetic technology - otherwise everyone is saved and is given all the time in the world to develop.  I mean hell, the Reapers were doing this for millions of years - give galactic civilisation a few hundred and I wouldn't be surprised if they crack relay technology for themselves.  They would certainly be spacefaring and reunited before what would have been another cycle.


Well yes but during that time tons of quarians or turians would die due to lack of supplies for their diets. I imagine there would be huge squabbles over supplies, given that Earth was mostly destroyed and the Sol system mostly drained of resources this far in the future.

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After thinking about the endings for a few days now I am still extremely upset, confused and I would say a little depressed. I still haven't figured out why they choose to rewrite the Matrix with some BattlestarGalactica, Lost thrown in.  We have also been told throughout the series and especially when talking to Sovereign that we weren’t smart enough to comprehend the Reapers existence or their motives. Yet that was all summed up in one line of conversation that a 5 year old child could comprehend. It was such an unoriginal, reused, uninspired, BS reason for them that when the Reaper Boy told me their function I couldn’t believe what I had just heard. And then why would they make 2 endings, then if you do everything right give you a third ending that takes nothing you did into
account. For my Shepard this is what I managed to accomplish.

I ended centuries of hostility between many races and got them to work together. A Salarian sacrificed himself to cure the Genophage; this is because of how I shaped Mordins character. I ended the Geth and Quarian war, got the Quarians back on Rannoch, got the Geth to help them rebuild, and even to help the Quarians strengthen their
immune systems by entering into the Quarians Enviro suits. I fostered a relationship between EDI and Joker, an AI and a Synthetic. On top of that it is made abundantly clear throughout ME3 that EDI has actually developed Feelings and has become much more organic.  We also defeated 5 Reapers in this series, sure Sovereign was diminished in power after taking over Saren, the human Reaper was also incomplete, and it took the thresher maw to defeat the one on Tuchanka. However it took only the Quarian Fleet to defeat the Reaper on Rannoch and we were also able to identify a major weakness of the Reapers that should have given our Fleet more of an edge in the battle for Earth. We also defeated the Reaper on Earth Using only missiles.

I was able to unite the galaxy in the fight against the reapers, the first time any Cycle had ever accomplished this, Javik even mentions that an epic moment is at hand and that even his cycle never accomplished this feat, it can be extrapolated that no cycle was able to do this because we were the first cycle the reapers didn't surprise attack through the citadel.

Lets look at that now, the only reason we were able to accomplish as much as we did is because the Protheans were able to shutdown the Reapers signal to the citadel, and because all of the cycles before us were able to work on and found a way to pass on the work they did on the Crucible to the next cycle. Millions of years and hundreds of trillions of organic lives have been lost so that we were able to build the crucible and use it.

Let’s also not forget that at the end of ME2 the Normandy was the pinnacle of technological innovation, capable of withstanding collector beam weapons and even had its very own energy beam weapon. Why on Earth did the Alliance at least not upgrade all of its ships with this capability? Even if they didn't truly believe in the reaper threat, those upgrades would have given them an advantage over all other species. But this is really minor compared to the ridiculousness of the 3 endings I was given.

This is what was going through my mind in the last 10 or so minutes. I ran around and talked with my squad mates from this game and previous ones. After talking with Garrus about meeting him in the bar in heaven, I walked out that door and had to grab a turret to hold off the reapers until some ships bombed
them. After this I turned to see the room that Garrus was in completely destroyed, so I figured that he had died. I then moved on and finished talking with my squad, addressed them and picked my team which was Tali and
Liara. We fought on and made it to the final push to the conduit.

We were then decimated by a reaper which everyone says was harbinger but I can't say that for certain. So Shepard wakes up, and I turn around and pretty much everyone is dead. At this point I was saddened to lose Liara and Tali so easily, especially since I was given no warning about losing them like in past games, I even almost restarted the Mission to choose different squad mates, but I said screw it I'll restart after seeing the ending because maybe they did survive it. So I'm beamed up and Anderson starts talking to me, at this time I was still waiting to hear from Tali and Liara, so I continued on. I meet up with Anderson then the Illusive Man shows up with his new ability to control. He makes me shoot Anderson which sucks but I am given the renegade option and take it even though I am almost full paragon because He Needs To Die by my hand. I then sit down with Anderson and we talk mentioning how we have the Best seats in the House to watch the demise of the Reapers.

At this point I was feeling awesome, sure Shep was going to die but the ending would have been amazing. Of course then Admiral Hackett decided to interrupt this great moment by telling me the Crucible isn't working. I respond back of course and it appears that Shepard would die before completing the mission. But then I am lifted up. At this point I was thinking well it couldn't have been that easy right, like what I had accomplished up to this point weren't legendary enough. I then come too and see this stupid boy again, and he mentions that he is the Catalyst and that he is the KING Reaper who controls the rest, his solution to our chaos, of course he discounts what we have done and all the evidence points to the fact that Organics and Synthetics can coexist in the game but according to him No matter what Synthetics will always Rebel on their Creators and Destroy everything.

At this point I am thinking he's just the holographic representation of a Reaper, and chose the image of a child because most Humans view children as innocent and generally feel that they don't lie. So by taking this form he is
using my humanity and emotions against me. Shepard even alludes to the fact that he is a machine in the conversation with him; he is also obviously not Omnipotent which removes any notion of him being God. He then gives me option number one which is Anderson's option, destroy, however doing this will also destroy me thanks to the Illusive Mans cybernetic/synthetic upgrades to rebuild Shepard. I didn't really like this option. So then he tells me I can choose to control them, but I will sacrifice myself and all that I am to do this. I really hated this option because I didn't agree with the Illusive Man at all on this Shepard. Then he give me my third option which is apparently the Option that I spent the last 30 hours in this game and the 50 hours on the previous games for this character to achieve which is Reintegration into the Matrix, I mean synthesis. To evolve all life to the pinnacle of evolution a synthetic/organic hybrid. Of course that would kill me too. After doing some thinking I decided to take the reintegration option. However I really did not want to choose any options because I really did not trust the Citadel Reaper Holograph.

What I really wanted to happen here was for Hackett or anyone to come over comms and give me a fourth option to tell this Reaper to shove it. Then they would order the fleet to take out the Citadel, and for us to find a way off, which hopefully would weaken the reapers by destroying the one controlling them. At this point there must have been close to 100,000 ships in our fleet, plus we had knowledge of a major weakness of the Reapers, also all ships should of have been upgraded with Armor, Shielding and Beam weapons from the upgrades we got the
Normandy in ME2. It would have also been possible the explosion would cause the crucible to send out a signal deactivating or weakening them, with its destruction. This could have been the true purpose of the Crucible/Catalyst to essentially inform us that the Citadel was the King Reaper, because no previous
cycle would ever have considered it anything more than a space station.  Of course this option would have been the most difficult to get, completely dependent on all other decisions made.

However synthesis was my pick because I was assuming that Liara my Love interest was already dead and for this Shepard there was really no more reason to live without being able to spend the rest of my life without her, plus I figured that this Shepard would be reunited with Liara, Tali and Garrus at the bar Garrus spoke of in the Afterlife.

The next two minutes completely ruined Mass Effect for me, I have many saves, and I have had to buy and rebuy the games and DLC's thanks to my Xbox Dying. Spending hundreds of dollars on the games, books, even comics and right now it all feels worthless, a huge waste of my time that I will never get back.

However I was actually OK with my ending at this point, confused that nothing I did really mattered, but overall ok because I was saving the galaxy and apparently helping them ascend to the height of evolution, if you believe
the Reaper of course, but then I see the crucible firing and sending out its signal, I then see Joker and the Normandy running away, then crash landing on some planet. I can see that everything has some kind of synthetic
coating on it. I then see EDI walking out and her and Joker holding each other. AT this point I was getting really confused however since EDI was on Earth so it seemed as though Joker figured out a way to beam people onto the Normandy. Then I see Liara get off the Normandy, at this Point I really became devastated. The whole reason that I choose synthesis was to reunite with her, but for some reason she abandoned me, beamed aboard the Normandy and is now stranded on a Planet, and will have to live the remainder of her 900+
years, assuming that synthesis doesn't affect the longevity of the species by herself without Shepard. On top of that it’s obvious the galaxy and Especially Earth is doomed. If by some form of magic the destruction of the Mass Relay's didn't destroy every single solar system including Earth's system then the Explosion of the Citadel and the debris from that would definitely cause an Extinction Level Event (ELE) on Earth, equivalent to many huge comets hitting the planet. So save Earth I did not. The next day I  went back and replayed the citadel mission to try out all of the other endings, I generally would of waited to see the other endings on different saves but I was so confused, shocked and horrified really that I couldn't see myself playing through it again,  and to my dismay the same exact scenario plays out. Actually I am really happy I did this so now I don't have to waste more of my time replaying it.  

I am still wondering, why Shepard was not contacted on Comms or why Shepard didn’t contact Hackett or the Normandy or anyone on comms when talking to the reaper holograph of the Boy. I can guarantee that Joker would have been like destroy them and I'll swoop in and grab you before it all blows up, or Hackett would have told me what I mentioned above, to blow up the citadel and try to get off in time.

This all really makes no sense to me at all. The whole time I was playing this Shepard I was all about saving the galaxy, reuniting people, and getting the Species to actually work together, and my Shepards main motives
were always to end the Reapers then have a bunch of little Blue Babies with Liara. Not once did I ever feel that my Shepard was getting tired of it all, or that her resolve was being worn down, because Liara was always there at her side telling her she could not only do it but would survive to live out their lives together. Shepard accomplished a Feat that no Cycle had ever accomplished in Millions of years, and tons of lives were lost just to make sure Shepard did not die. I even put up with multiplayer so that I could get the Perfect ending, and yet None of this mattered in the end. In fact Shepard really wasn’t special or needed at the end, any Organic could have made those options. I am so disheartened that I don't even want to play this game again and it was absolutely amazing for 98% of it, I beat it in three days, I was enthralled, addicted, I was so ready to start playing other saves just to see all the differences there would be. But now that is just not going to happen, I don't care about all the minor differences throughout the game when they make no difference in the end. I have completely lost faith in Bioware, I even canceled my SWTOR subscription plan because I have no confidence in their ability to manage a MMO nor continue to provide compelling storylines that end epically and actually make sense. Really how hard is it to keep the same writers on a Huge Multimillion Dollar franchise so that it can be finished properly? I know that Drew was working on TOR but has since quit to start another company if rumors are to be believed. So is TOR the reason for the illogical, unbelievable endings we got to end this series?  Right now I can only hope that Gears 3 will help alleviate the confusion, depression, disbelief, sadness and anger that I feel right now.

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TamiBx wrote...

 BSN was down for 10 min (at least for me) and it felt like an eternity...thought it would be down forever...:crying:



I thought taking the site down was BioWare's response for a few moments there.  When the site came back up, I half expected this thread to disappear.

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I haven't been able to get on the forum for the past half-hour. A message came up saying they are experiencing extreme usage and can't handle the load.
mad props to everyone for overloading their servers we might get something done yet.

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Dj14365 wrote...

I haven't been able to get on the forum for the past half-hour. A message came up saying they are experiencing extreme usage and can't handle the load.
mad props to everyone for overloading their servers we might get something done yet.


My thoughts exactly. Keep up the heat everyone!

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Yeah I'm shocked Bioware is letting an 844 page thread of ME3 ending hate stay. I thought for sure half of us would see the ban hammer by now.

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Rosery99 wrote...

Did anyone else have issues getting to the site for the last little while?


The site is overloaded with people raging about the ending. So yeah, I had issues too 

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I was terrified Bioware had finally just had it and chosen to silence us. But then I remembered we can't be silenced, we are the fans. If they silence us here, we go to FB, we write them letters. We hold the god damn line.

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I love how people call the endings "bittersweet". They're not. They're just bitter. And while I always love some fancy philosophical approach to anything, this is s***. It's not even philosophical. It's a poor rip-off of the concept introduced in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

The difference there was however that the whole game based on a big ethical question, and the conclusions really made you THINK. And guess what, all four variants basically ended with the same video sequence, but the narrative epilogue actually EXPLAINED differences and consequences.
The endings in ME3 butcher the whole concept of all three(!) games, because up to the last ten minutes, the story developed individually for each player, just to be faced with a Jack in the box that was unheard of for 100 hours of gameplay, a real DEUS EX MACHINA of old greek tragedies, to bring a solution where appearently no other could be found. The Reapers are puppets of Space God.
Quick! Let's do the plot twist dance!

Yes, an ending to a story like this can be tragic. The sky needn't be filled with rainbows. But to call that load of crap philosophically deep and insightful hurts me, since I study this subject. Technological singularity. Prevent the rise of machines with machines. To preserve, we must destruct. All hail to the paradoxon. But we can't anymore, because Shepard floated up to the Citadel's roof, so now we let him choose how he can manipulate life itself by flipping a switch.

Man, that's deep. Hopefully Shep has a fortune cookie with him, because that is a tough one.

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Rosery99 wrote...

I was terrified Bioware had finally just had it and chosen to silence us. But then I remembered we can't be silenced, we are the fans. If they silence us here, we go to FB, we write them letters. We hold the god damn line.

You can never stop the signal 

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Fox544 wrote...

Yeah I'm shocked Bioware is letting an 844 page thread of ME3 ending hate stay. I thought for sure half of us would see the ban hammer by now.


We are staying on topic, not using bad language, and not hating on anyone, so..technically they have no reason to shut down this thread. I haven't seen a "I hate bioware and I wanna shoot everyone who buys their games" response here. 
*of course that was an extreme example...but you get the point :P*

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I have no idea if anyone has mentioned this since the thread is way too big to keep up, but on Twitter Chris has said:

Faulkner ‏ @KenRaves

@BioEvilChris During the final run, just before the end, are the two squadmates with you killed? I understand if you can't answer.

 Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris

 

@KenRaves I don't think we've revealed that yet. Sorry.

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Just finished my first playthrough. Best possible ending...and I'm pulling my hair out. I'm a huge fan. Bioware is my favorite developer by far. But this...this is like a slap in the face. I mean, WHAT THE HELL!? I felt like I was playing Mass Effect one minute, and then watching some crazy Neon Genesis Evangelion spinoff the next. Just...what the hell?

I didn't invest myself into this story and these characters to be handed a gun and told "you can screw yourself, or you can screw everyone, or you can turn everything into something else". Come on.

The care that was taken in writing every single second of the game just vanished in the end.

I want to know what happens to each character, and how my decisions affect their future.  I want there to be a life for Shepard after this war.  There should be some reward, something to show us that it was worth it all.  If any game deserves a lengthy final exposition, it's Mass Effect.

As is, this ending does none of those things.  It is just totally unsatisfying.  I'll be hoping beyond hope for something to redeem this.  To change it.  Even DLC!  Yes Bioware, I will pay you money to make this right.

As an aside, the Catalyst took a few shots to the face, just in the hopes that that would cause Shepard to wake up from a nightmare.  It didn't work, but it made me feel a little better.

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Rosery99 wrote...

I was terrified Bioware had finally just had it and chosen to silence us. But then I remembered we can't be silenced, we are the fans. If they silence us here, we go to FB, we write them letters. We hold the god damn line.


Exactly. Hold the line for Captain Kirrhae!

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Experimentel wrote...

Rosery99 wrote...

I was terrified Bioware had finally just had it and chosen to silence us. But then I remembered we can't be silenced, we are the fans. If they silence us here, we go to FB, we write them letters. We hold the god damn line.


Exactly. Hold the line for Captain Kirrhae!


Yeah, (especially since my Captain Kirrahe died in my playthrough)!

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Interesting piece on Ars Technica.