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[Kloborgg711]

mulder1199 wrote...

Crossleft wrote...

Hey guys its my first time actually posting on here (been lurking since I beat the game wednesday) just wanted to chime in and let you know that theres a lot of avid fans out there who aren't on the forums who are just as disappointed by the endings as we are. I know a lot of my friends and acquaintances from college and whatnot are seriously upset about this but unlikely to get on here and talk about it. So to those naysayers who are making it sound like the only people who are upset are the fanboys on the internet I can tell you for a fact that a vast majority of the casual gamers really hate these endings too.

of course casual gamers do....esp if they have only played me3...they def would want to get a good ending.....this is why i'm so verklempt about the end...

glad to have you aboard....if your friends and others are into it enough to get on here like us and complain, at least have them vote and like the takebackmasseffect on facebook...

But casuals might dislike the ending for different reasons. Someone who picks up ME3 as their first ME game and finishes might end the story and think "lol wtf was that. fun game I guess" and throw it into their collection. A lot of us are people who've been playing for so many years/hours that it's a lot more personal and depressing than that.

[babachewie]

AdrynBliss wrote...

Having now seen the end, or should I say my end, in context i'm surprised to find I don't actually mind it that much, even kinda satisfied with it. I'm even fairly embarrassed by some of the things I said about it before seeing it myself.

The 'starkid' did a ghostbusters and used an image from shep's mind as a form to interact with him and it wasn't exactly a stretch of the imagination to figure that after shep went into the beam the rest of the crew, unable to reach it either had joker pick them up or shuttled up to it in an effort to approach the citadel then when it was about to do its thing unable to know exactly what the effect would be they got the hell away from it.

Not having the right to fundamentally alter the DNA of trillions of people whether they liked it or not and not willing to be the one to control the reapers I just blew the damn thing up.

As far as i'm aware the relays did not blow up and the Normandy no doubt has a beefy distress signal, where they might have crashed could be extrapolated from their last known location and trajectory so help would be on the way when they don't report in.

Would I like a long epilogue explaining all the details and what happened to everyone? sure, i'm one of those gamers that eats that stuff up but i wouldn't categorize not having that as 'wrong'

Whoa! Finally someone I can relate with. I thinking the same thing

[rethas]

savionen wrote...

Saying there's 16 different endings is a poor argument.

Forgot the name of the RPG, but you could have around 100 different characters in your group, which could live or die. That didn't mean there were 10000 different endings, just because there were tons of different possible combinations, it meant there was 1 ending and then a list of characters that lived or die.

Thinking of Suikoden?

[TamiBx]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

But this isn't 845 pages of "hate".
We're saying

Hey, Bioware, we love Mass Effect. We love it a lot. You did an outstanding job on 99% of it. Unfortunately, the consensus of the majority is that the endings really didn't do the story justice. With options for alternative endings, we truly believe this game could shine out as the pinnacle of this generation, for both gaming and sc-fi. We, your loyal fans, are on our knees requesting the closure we've been wanting for years. Please consider our voice and consider obliging as a token of faith to your playerbase. Thanks!

It seems like everyone else pictures us as "LOL WTF BIOWAER U SUX. I WANTED NO1 TO DIE N INSTED I CANT ACHEEV TOTAL VICTORY. I PAY FOR UR FOOD SO GIMME MY ENDING THAT I WANT. IM NEVAR BUYING BIOWAER AGEN"

Which is so not true. I LOVED the game. Best. game. ever. 
Just the ending wasn't as good as the whole game. 

[DRAGONFIRE50000000]

we may not give up we can not comand them but we may remind them to what we players of mass effect really wanted to end.
see it like they are the cousil that does not wanted to help shepard. if we want a good end we may not give up.and i hope bioware will see our voice to be the voice they need to make mass effect3 a succes once again

[Matt_gekko88]

Don't know if anyone has already posted this

[DarkSpider88]

Ronnocloki wrote...

I simply cannot accept that Shepard, Shepard of all people, simply stood there and accepted what the Catalyst said rather than pointing out the glaring logical flaws in its argument. This inconsistency with the main characters portrayal combined with a lack of closure with regards to pretty much every major character and subplot is simply infuriating.

Yes Shepard not once in series blindly accepted Reaper logic. He outright denied it.

Modifié par DarkSpider88, 12 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Rob8228]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has already posted this

Link is broke.

[Kloborgg711]

savionen wrote...

Saying there's 16 different endings is a poor argument.

Forgot the name of the RPG, but you could have around 100 different characters in your group, which could live or die. That didn't mean there were 10000 different endings, just because there were tons of different possible combinations, it meant there was 1 ending and then a list of characters that lived or die.

Even better example. In Halo Reach you get to choose what your Spartan looks like with many variables. Therefore Halo Reach has thousands of different endings. Will it be light-blue CQB shoulder Mark IV helmet Spartan fighting to his death? Or will it be hot-pink bubble-head Spartan fighting to her death?

[DRAGONFIRE50000000]

i'm sorry but there but wathever you want to let us see i can not open its forbidden or something can you tell us what stands in that link

[N7 Theo]

I dont know about any of you, but I am a huge fan of the whole, "Choose to not choose," type of ending. This leaves the ending open to so many more possibilities, with the decisions made in the previous two games matter much more. I just think that would be a good addition to the game alongside the three guaranteed "victories"

[laughing sherpa girl]

I'm going back in to search for more clues.. new game, dlc added, Ilove all the folks in this forum here, but i have to find things out for myself. Yup, i finished it once, and yup, five days later, i'm still pissed, but, i gotta know..

[BlankPage]

There's been a mistake. The game must've glitched out and replaced Joker with my Sheperd... Getting off the Normandy into the jungle with Kaidan... And they also skipped the epilogue telling me about how I affected the galaxy.. That was supposed to be in there... Right? *Sniffle*

[mulder1199]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

Crossleft wrote...

Hey guys its my first time actually posting on here (been lurking since I beat the game wednesday) just wanted to chime in and let you know that theres a lot of avid fans out there who aren't on the forums who are just as disappointed by the endings as we are. I know a lot of my friends and acquaintances from college and whatnot are seriously upset about this but unlikely to get on here and talk about it. So to those naysayers who are making it sound like the only people who are upset are the fanboys on the internet I can tell you for a fact that a vast majority of the casual gamers really hate these endings too.

of course casual gamers do....esp if they have only played me3...they def would want to get a good ending.....this is why i'm so verklempt about the end...

glad to have you aboard....if your friends and others are into it enough to get on here like us and complain, at least have them vote and like the takebackmasseffect on facebook...

But casuals might dislike the ending for different reasons. Someone who picks up ME3 as their first ME game and finishes might end the story and think "lol wtf was that. fun game I guess" and throw it into their collection. A lot of us are people who've been playing for so many years/hours that it's a lot more personal and depressing than that.

we don't disagree, just used that as a for instance....

[Dorfgonewild81]

 Think this is the part that stood out to me the most about the Ars Technica article.  From someone who reviewed the game thinking he just got a bad ending for his review run:


"I mentioned in my review that I found the ending I
ran into on my first ME3 playthrough "somewhat
unsatisfying from a narrative point of view," but at the time I figured
there were other "better" endings that could have been achieved
through careful decision-making and effort on a subsequent playthrough. Now that
I've researched just which portions of the ending can be changed through player
action, though, I'm genuinely surprised at how little all of Commander
Shepard's actions seem to impact what happens to the galaxy as a whole."

Original review: arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2012/03/mass-effect-3-reviewed.ars

Modifié par Dorfgonewild81, 12 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[Crossleft]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

Crossleft wrote...

Hey guys its my first time actually posting on here (been lurking since I beat the game wednesday) just wanted to chime in and let you know that theres a lot of avid fans out there who aren't on the forums who are just as disappointed by the endings as we are. I know a lot of my friends and acquaintances from college and whatnot are seriously upset about this but unlikely to get on here and talk about it. So to those naysayers who are making it sound like the only people who are upset are the fanboys on the internet I can tell you for a fact that a vast majority of the casual gamers really hate these endings too.

of course casual gamers do....esp if they have only played me3...they def would want to get a good ending.....this is why i'm so verklempt about the end...

glad to have you aboard....if your friends and others are into it enough to get on here like us and complain, at least have them vote and like the takebackmasseffect on facebook...

But casuals might dislike the ending for different reasons. Someone who picks up ME3 as their first ME game and finishes might end the story and think "lol wtf was that. fun game I guess" and throw it into their collection. A lot of us are people who've been playing for so many years/hours that it's a lot more personal and depressing than that.

most of the causals I know have played all three and were disappointed for much the same reasons we are but are less likely to come on here and say anything about it

[rethas]

babachewie wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

Having now seen the end, or should I say my end, in context i'm surprised to find I don't actually mind it that much, even kinda satisfied with it. I'm even fairly embarrassed by some of the things I said about it before seeing it myself.

The 'starkid' did a ghostbusters and used an image from shep's mind as a form to interact with him and it wasn't exactly a stretch of the imagination to figure that after shep went into the beam the rest of the crew, unable to reach it either had joker pick them up or shuttled up to it in an effort to approach the citadel then when it was about to do its thing unable to know exactly what the effect would be they got the hell away from it.

Not having the right to fundamentally alter the DNA of trillions of people whether they liked it or not and not willing to be the one to control the reapers I just blew the damn thing up.

As far as i'm aware the relays did not blow up and the Normandy no doubt has a beefy distress signal, where they might have crashed could be extrapolated from their last known location and trajectory so help would be on the way when they don't report in.

Would I like a long epilogue explaining all the details and what happened to everyone? sure, i'm one of those gamers that eats that stuff up but i wouldn't categorize not having that as 'wrong'

Whoa! Finally someone I can relate with. I thinking the same thing

The first relay certainly blows up and on the galaxy map the others seem to follow the same course.

The shockwave badly damages the Normandy so I'd imagine it'd do the same to everything else, in every sector with a mass relay at least.

Re watch the ending video it is there to see and also at least the option I chose stated the Mass Relays would all be destroyed.

[babachewie]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Experimentel wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

babachewie wrote...

savionen wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I dont really believe they are "bad" endings. Either way you stop the reapers which was the point. Life goes on proven in the epilogue. Shepard can live proven in the secret ending. Just because you don't ride off into the sunset doesnt make it a bad ending. Maybe most people just don't understand it. Everyone just wants to make wild accusations and theorys. i think they have a plan and if it turns out to be awesome then a lot of people are gonna look like jackasses. 

Well....

Option A) You try to control the reapers, which is supposed to be impossible, and since Shepard dies, it seems more like temporary control. Who says they won't come back? Also you're suddenly just the Illusive Man.

Option  You ignore free-will and the variety of life, and force everyone to be a mix of organic and synthetic.

Option C) You kill almost everyone in the galaxy, directly or indirectly.

There's no proof you kill almost everyone in the galaxy. They just said synthetics. you can control the reapers and live if your rating is high and you destroyed the collecter base and I agree I dont really like the synthesis option.

Yeah option C is news to me :/  You only kill the Reapers and any synthetic technology - otherwise everyone is saved and is given all the time in the world to develop.  I mean hell, the Reapers were doing this for millions of years - give galactic civilisation a few hundred and I wouldn't be surprised if they crack relay technology for themselves.  They would certainly be spacefaring and reunited before what would have been another cycle.

Well yes but during that time tons of quarians or turians would die due to lack of supplies for their diets. I imagine there would be huge squabbles over supplies, given that Earth was mostly destroyed and the Sol system mostly drained of resources this far in the future.

Why? The Quarians grow their own food.

On their ships. They eat the same types of food that Turians eat.

It wouldn't be a masive undertaking to get the Turians doing the same thing.

And Earth would be pretty wrecked, but not razed. It'd be tough. But the combined fleets could start over on Earth.

With Earth.

Also anderson said they really hit mostly the major industrial populated areas. More Rural areas might be less damaged and fit to grow crops and rebuild. Plus millions maybe billions of people died on Earth. Those who are left stranded would just be replacing what was lost. Not adding.

[TamiBx]

savionen wrote...

Saying there's 16 different endings is a poor argument.

Forgot the name of the RPG, but you could have around 100 different characters in your group, which could live or die. That didn't mean there were 10000 different endings, just because there were tons of different possible combinations, it meant there was 1 ending and then a list of characters that lived or die.

Like in ME2. We could technically have 2 different big endings: 1)Shep dies and 2)Shep survives.
And then if s/he survives, s/he could have the whole squad alive or lose someone in the process. 
And then we got to decide if we would keep the collector's base or destroy it (which was only possible if Shep survived...so that one is connected to ending #12).
ME2 was so awesome...

[Kloborgg711]

AdrynBliss wrote...

Having now seen the end, or should I say my end, in context i'm surprised to find I don't actually mind it that much, even kinda satisfied with it. I'm even fairly embarrassed by some of the things I said about it before seeing it myself.

The 'starkid' did a ghostbusters and used an image from shep's mind as a form to interact with him and it wasn't exactly a stretch of the imagination to figure that after shep went into the beam the rest of the crew, unable to reach it either had joker pick them up or shuttled up to it in an effort to approach the citadel then when it was about to do its thing unable to know exactly what the effect would be they got the hell away from it.

Not having the right to fundamentally alter the DNA of trillions of people whether they liked it or not and not willing to be the one to control the reapers I just blew the damn thing up.

As far as i'm aware the relays did not blow up and the Normandy no doubt has a beefy distress signal, where they might have crashed could be extrapolated from their last known location and trajectory so help would be on the way when they don't report in.

Would I like a long epilogue explaining all the details and what happened to everyone? sure, i'm one of those gamers that eats that stuff up but i wouldn't categorize not having that as 'wrong'

You don't think it's wrong that the player is left with virtually no explanation beyond a dire situation that you literally have to think your way out of? We should not have to contemplate some unlikely rescue scenario when Bioware, with a quick cutscene, could've settled it. Again, people don't invest in Mass Effect to be given a blank screen so they might draw their favorite story on it.

Modifié par Kloborgg711, 12 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[Matt_gekko88]

Rob8228 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has already posted this

Link is broke.

It is? It works fine when I click on it:

Here: http://i.imgur.com/9kk3A.jpg

[primalgoose]

Good morning fellow mass effectians.. Any word from the powers that be?

[Mhgasa]

Rob8228 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

But this isn't 845 pages of "hate".
We're saying

Hey, Bioware, we love Mass Effect. We love it a lot. You did an outstanding job on 99% of it. Unfortunately, the consensus of the majority is that the endings really didn't do the story justice. With options for alternative endings, we truly believe this game could shine out as the pinnacle of this generation, for both gaming and sc-fi. We, your loyal fans, are on our knees requesting the closure we've been wanting for years. Please consider our voice and consider obliging as a token of faith to your playerbase. Thanks!

It seems like everyone else pictures us as "LOL WTF BIOWAER U SUX. I WANTED NO1 TO DIE N INSTED I CANT ACHEEV TOTAL VICTORY. I PAY FOR UR FOOD SO GIMME MY ENDING THAT I WANT. IM NEVAR BUYING BIOWAER AGEN"

It's convenient to paint us that way. They read a few posts, pick the ones, whiich are the few, that support their arguments, and use those.

Its the same reason why they always put the nutjobs on tv, its better for ratings. If you have an "out there" person its gonna generate more interest, thats why the line between journalism and entertainment is being washed away. People dont want to read level headed arguments, they want to shake their hed in disbelief at some screaming idiot

[TSC_1]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has already posted this

Link is broke.

It is? It works fine when I click on it:

Here: http://i.imgur.com/9kk3A.jpg

Still broken.

[Kloborgg711]

mulder1199 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

Crossleft wrote...

Hey guys its my first time actually posting on here (been lurking since I beat the game wednesday) just wanted to chime in and let you know that theres a lot of avid fans out there who aren't on the forums who are just as disappointed by the endings as we are. I know a lot of my friends and acquaintances from college and whatnot are seriously upset about this but unlikely to get on here and talk about it. So to those naysayers who are making it sound like the only people who are upset are the fanboys on the internet I can tell you for a fact that a vast majority of the casual gamers really hate these endings too.

of course casual gamers do....esp if they have only played me3...they def would want to get a good ending.....this is why i'm so verklempt about the end...

glad to have you aboard....if your friends and others are into it enough to get on here like us and complain, at least have them vote and like the takebackmasseffect on facebook...

But casuals might dislike the ending for different reasons. Someone who picks up ME3 as their first ME game and finishes might end the story and think "lol wtf was that. fun game I guess" and throw it into their collection. A lot of us are people who've been playing for so many years/hours that it's a lot more personal and depressing than that.

we don't disagree, just used that as a for instance....

Right, I wasn't trying to contradict what you said, just adding to it.