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[3rd-apex]

I honestly don't see why so many people hate the ending of this game... In my eyes, it was a master piece. Shepard gets nearly vaped by Harbinger, and is lucky to be alive. His other squadmates were picked up by the Normandy so they can assit in the battle (how else can you explain them getting on the Normandy for the final cinematic). Shepard wakes up at an un-known time after being nearly vaped, and gets to the citadel, has a BRILLIANTLY written scene with the Illusive man and Anderson. Shep is forced to shoot his friend, and you then have the oppotunity to kill the Illusive man before he kills Anderson.

The Crucible is linked to the Citadel, and Shepard talks to a Synthetic, who believes the only way to save Organics is by killing advanced synthetic and organic races. Think about that. The Synthetic that controls the reapers, is killing organics, just like he said all advanced synthetics do. I just love that fulfillment right there. 

Now you have a choice, and you HAVE to choose. Because, this is the ONLY way to beat the reapers. You can not defeat the repears conventionally. They outnumber everyone, even combined, it is clear that they grealy out number every other fleet. They have to work so hard just to kill 1 reaper, let alone thousands. There is no way, even combined, that galatic forces can beat the reapers. It can not be done, the races are just fighting back JUST hard enough to buy time for Shepard to find a way to beat them. Is this a plot device? Yes. Does it make sense? Yeah (except for synthesis, that one really doesn't make sense). Both the Paragon and Renegade options are failsafes, probably put in place by the original race that made the reapers, in case the catalyst (or AI controlling the reapers) went out of control, which it obviously did.

So you make your choice, and you have to live with the consequences. Now, here's my thinking. The Normandy was NOT in a mass relay when the explosion hti it. To me, it looked like it was in FTL. And I am sure someone will eventually find the Normandy. No matter which option you pick, every race has PLENTY of FTL capable ships. The destruction of the mass relays isn't an apocalypse, it's merely the destruction of a technology made to direct the growth of various species so the Reapers could predict the level of technology they would have to deal with. Life will go on in the galaxy. The Normandy will eventually be found. There are only so many places they could be realtive to earth if they used FTL. And, if Shepard lives, (which he does if you have a high enough EMS), you can be certain he will not rest till he finds the Normandy.

And this ending doesn't contradict ME1. I have heard some people complain that if the Catalyst is the citadel, then why would Sovereign need to be there. Simple, the catalyst was dormant. The Catalyst probably only activates if there is a problem and the Reapers need guidance on what to do. It's pretty clear that the reapers are self sufficient. They know their orders. They don't need to be controlled every second of everyday. So, the crucible docking to the Citadel activated the Catalyst, AND altered it's programming, allowing Shepard to activate its failsafes with out confrontation.

Forgive any spelling mistakes, I just can't comprehend why people hate this ending so much. This isn't supposed to be a happy ending, there isn't suppose to be one. The Galaxy as we know it just about came to an end. There is no happy way to end a somber story like that. But there is HOPE. The civilizations CAN rebuild with FTL. It will just take a lot longer since they don't have mass relays. Shepard will find the Normandy again. The Reapers, one way or another, will no longer threaten the galaxy.

That's how I view this ending.

[KaiserinKai]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Ronnocloki wrote...

I simply cannot accept that Shepard, Shepard of all people, simply stood there and accepted what the Catalyst said rather than pointing out the glaring logical flaws in its argument. This inconsistency with the main characters portrayal combined with a lack of closure with regards to pretty much every major character and subplot is simply infuriating.

Yes Shepard not once in series blindly accepted Reaper logic. He outright denied it.

That was one of the things I hated most. I tend to view things through logic more than emotion. The whole time I was sitting there and was like, "This kid's argument makes no f***ing sense!" It pissed me off SO much. Where was the epic Shepard Speech?

[Rob8228]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has already posted this

Link is broke.

It is? It works fine when I click on it:

Here: http://i.imgur.com/9kk3A.jpg

Wasn't working for me, but now that I see it we have seen this. It's pretty... depressing.

[TamiBx]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has already posted this

Link is broke.

It is? It works fine when I click on it:

Here: http://i.imgur.com/9kk3A.jpg

Yep, it's been posted like 84583753873 pages ago...ok, maybe not that long ago, but somewhere hard to find 

[babachewie]

rethas wrote...

babachewie wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

Having now seen the end, or should I say my end, in context i'm surprised to find I don't actually mind it that much, even kinda satisfied with it. I'm even fairly embarrassed by some of the things I said about it before seeing it myself.

The 'starkid' did a ghostbusters and used an image from shep's mind as a form to interact with him and it wasn't exactly a stretch of the imagination to figure that after shep went into the beam the rest of the crew, unable to reach it either had joker pick them up or shuttled up to it in an effort to approach the citadel then when it was about to do its thing unable to know exactly what the effect would be they got the hell away from it.

Not having the right to fundamentally alter the DNA of trillions of people whether they liked it or not and not willing to be the one to control the reapers I just blew the damn thing up.

As far as i'm aware the relays did not blow up and the Normandy no doubt has a beefy distress signal, where they might have crashed could be extrapolated from their last known location and trajectory so help would be on the way when they don't report in.

Would I like a long epilogue explaining all the details and what happened to everyone? sure, i'm one of those gamers that eats that stuff up but i wouldn't categorize not having that as 'wrong'

Whoa! Finally someone I can relate with. I thinking the same thing

The first relay certainly blows up and on the galaxy map the others seem to follow the same course.

The shockwave badly damages the Normandy so I'd imagine it'd do the same to everything else, in every sector with a mass relay at least.

Re watch the ending video it is there to see and also at least the option I chose stated the Mass Relays would all be destroyed.

Yeah but there could be a difference in what the crucible did then what smashing an asteroid into it did. It might not as been as devestating 

[Doppelgaenger]

TSC_1 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has already posted this

Link is broke.

It is? It works fine when I click on it:

Here: http://i.imgur.com/9kk3A.jpg

Still broken.

Works fine for me.

[DRAGONFIRE50000000]

what i would say that we all have to have contact with bioware and asking them for a different end. and reminding them that the endings that are now in mass effect3 will cost them much loyal mass effect players. mass effect was everything for me because of it i wanted to live more. but now i don't know it anymore. i don't have the need to play it because of the end i cried at the end a very difficult feeling. and i don't know if i can see it one more time that shepard dies and is not with his with the one he loves

[Sl4sh3r]

Sorry if this was posted already but..

Philly D. contributed! Sort of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 12 mars 2012 - 08:47 .

[savionen]

AwesomeName wrote...

babachewie wrote...

savionen wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I dont really believe they are "bad" endings. Either way you stop the reapers which was the point. Life goes on proven in the epilogue. Shepard can live proven in the secret ending. Just because you don't ride off into the sunset doesnt make it a bad ending. Maybe most people just don't understand it. Everyone just wants to make wild accusations and theorys. i think they have a plan and if it turns out to be awesome then a lot of people are gonna look like jackasses. 

Well....

Option A) You try to control the reapers, which is supposed to be impossible, and since Shepard dies, it seems more like temporary control. Who says they won't come back? Also you're suddenly just the Illusive Man.

Option  You ignore free-will and the variety of life, and force everyone to be a mix of organic and synthetic.

Option C) You kill almost everyone in the galaxy, directly or indirectly.

There's no proof you kill almost everyone in the galaxy. They just said synthetics. you can control the reapers and live if your rating is high and you destroyed the collecter base and I agree I dont really like the synthesis option.

Yeah option C is news to me :/  You only kill the Reapers and any synthetic technology - otherwise everyone is saved and is given all the time in the world to develop.  I mean hell, the Reapers were doing this for millions of years - give galactic civilisation a few hundred and I wouldn't be surprised if they crack relay technology for themselves.  They would certainly be spacefaring and reunited before what would have been another cycle.

Pretty sure they said something along the lines of advanced technology. It wouldn't just be limited to killing the Geth. You'd be sending the galaxy back to the stone-age. Since there is no actual ending, we can't do much but assume. But the way it sounded to me was that ANY advanced technology would be destroyed like a massive EMP. That basically means all Geth and EDI would die, also explains the Normandy crash. But all Quarians and Volus would basically die, and anyone in a ship would crash and/or die, too.

[DiabolicallyRandom]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

But this isn't 845 pages of "hate".
We're saying

Hey, Bioware, we love Mass Effect. We love it a lot. You did an outstanding job on 99% of it. Unfortunately, the consensus of the majority is that the endings really didn't do the story justice. With options for alternative endings, we truly believe this game could shine out as the pinnacle of this generation, for both gaming and sc-fi. We, your loyal fans, are on our knees requesting the closure we've been wanting for years. Please consider our voice and consider obliging as a token of faith to your playerbase. Thanks!

It seems like everyone else pictures us as "LOL WTF BIOWAER U SUX. I WANTED NO1 TO DIE N INSTED I CANT ACHEEV TOTAL VICTORY. I PAY FOR UR FOOD SO GIMME MY ENDING THAT I WANT. IM NEVAR BUYING BIOWAER AGEN"

QFT.

Having just finished the game, the entire game I was like "BEST GAME EVAR". In the last 20 minutes of the game, I now feel gutted. And not gutted because shepard is dead. I feel gutted because in the end, i was forced to be a gullible nitwit, and do exactly what childreaperghostgod told me to do. I feel gutted because everything I worked for, everything i did, was meaningless.

[Matt_gekko88]

TSC_1 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has already posted this

Link is broke.

It is? It works fine when I click on it:

Here: http://i.imgur.com/9kk3A.jpg

Still broken.

What the..?

Okay, here

Modifié par Matt_gekko88, 12 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[Kloborgg711]

babachewie wrote...

Yeah but there could be a difference in what the crucible did then what smashing an asteroid into it did. It might not as been as devestating 

The explosion was not caused because an asteroid hit it, the explosion was caused because the energy had to be released when the relay was broken. Regardless, whether or not the relays became supernovi is hardly the biggest issue most of us have with the endings. 

[TSC_1]

Just because this seems to have been buried, here's what Tycho from PA thinks about this:

Link

He doesn't really go too much into it, because Gabe hasn't finished the game yet, and he wants to speak to him about it.

Modifié par TSC_1, 12 mars 2012 - 08:47 .

[KerrJMF]

There are a lot of disheartened individuals that haven't even bothered coming to the forums to vent. You all are the efficacious fans. The handful of people I know have either already returned their copies to Gamestop or are planning to do so within the next few weeks if the endings are, in fact, the final endings.

The most positive feedback I've heard from friends and colleagues thus far was my officemate who shrugged off the endings and said he's ok with the plot holes and bleakness because the gameplay up to the ending was superb; he just won't be buying any DLCs because "they'll either be for MP or pre-ending adventures that won't change the endings." So the positive I'm hearing isn't particularly enthusiastic. The endings just sucked the joy out of pre-ending DLCs or replays.

Modifié par KerrJMF, 12 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[Rob8228]

I was going through some of the game again to see some of the indoctrination theory for myself, such as the reaper growl in the begining with the boy in the ducts. I looked under options and conversation mode where you can choose, "full decisions", and "no decisions". Kind of ironic how it doesn't matter, huh?

[rethas]

babachewie wrote...

rethas wrote...

babachewie wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

Having now seen the end, or should I say my end, in context i'm surprised to find I don't actually mind it that much, even kinda satisfied with it. I'm even fairly embarrassed by some of the things I said about it before seeing it myself.

The 'starkid' did a ghostbusters and used an image from shep's mind as a form to interact with him and it wasn't exactly a stretch of the imagination to figure that after shep went into the beam the rest of the crew, unable to reach it either had joker pick them up or shuttled up to it in an effort to approach the citadel then when it was about to do its thing unable to know exactly what the effect would be they got the hell away from it.

Not having the right to fundamentally alter the DNA of trillions of people whether they liked it or not and not willing to be the one to control the reapers I just blew the damn thing up.

As far as i'm aware the relays did not blow up and the Normandy no doubt has a beefy distress signal, where they might have crashed could be extrapolated from their last known location and trajectory so help would be on the way when they don't report in.

Would I like a long epilogue explaining all the details and what happened to everyone? sure, i'm one of those gamers that eats that stuff up but i wouldn't categorize not having that as 'wrong'

Whoa! Finally someone I can relate with. I thinking the same thing

The first relay certainly blows up and on the galaxy map the others seem to follow the same course.

The shockwave badly damages the Normandy so I'd imagine it'd do the same to everything else, in every sector with a mass relay at least.

Re watch the ending video it is there to see and also at least the option I chose stated the Mass Relays would all be destroyed.

Yeah but there could be a difference in what the crucible did then what smashing an asteroid into it did. It might not as been as devestating 

I'm not talking about what happens in the arrival.

In the ending sequence for mass effect 3 you see the Sol Mass effect relay explode.

Then the normandy is outrunning it and gets heavily damaged - see explosions and crashed ship.

Then you see the galaxy map where the same effect occurs across all mass relays.

I'm not saying it 100% killed all life just that wouldn't bode well for say the tens of thousands of space ships in the Earth system or anyone on any planets nearby.

Its all in the video no matter what you choose, just a different color.

[SP One Nineteen]

I agree with you Dragonfire. I wanted more than anything to sit on a hill, or wherever Shep's house might be and enjoy the rest of his life with Liara (my LI) and a pair of beautiful blue daughters.
We don't get that.
But I just read something that I truly did not take into account....BW was trying to set the stage for ME4....Well....If this goes through I just want my happily ever after. I understand why they can't give it to me, but that doesn't take my right to want it away.

[Tyranniac]

3rd-apex wrote...

I honestly don't see why so many people hate the ending of this game... In my eyes, it was a master piece. Shepard gets nearly vaped by Harbinger, and is lucky to be alive. His other squadmates were picked up by the Normandy so they can assit in the battle (how else can you explain them getting on the Normandy for the final cinematic). Shepard wakes up at an un-known time after being nearly vaped, and gets to the citadel, has a BRILLIANTLY written scene with the Illusive man and Anderson. Shep is forced to shoot his friend, and you then have the oppotunity to kill the Illusive man before he kills Anderson.

The Crucible is linked to the Citadel, and Shepard talks to a Synthetic, who believes the only way to save Organics is by killing advanced synthetic and organic races. Think about that. The Synthetic that controls the reapers, is killing organics, just like he said all advanced synthetics do. I just love that fulfillment right there. 

Now you have a choice, and you HAVE to choose. Because, this is the ONLY way to beat the reapers. You can not defeat the repears conventionally. They outnumber everyone, even combined, it is clear that they grealy out number every other fleet. They have to work so hard just to kill 1 reaper, let alone thousands. There is no way, even combined, that galatic forces can beat the reapers. It can not be done, the races are just fighting back JUST hard enough to buy time for Shepard to find a way to beat them. Is this a plot device? Yes. Does it make sense? Yeah (except for synthesis, that one really doesn't make sense). Both the Paragon and Renegade options are failsafes, probably put in place by the original race that made the reapers, in case the catalyst (or AI controlling the reapers) went out of control, which it obviously did.

So you make your choice, and you have to live with the consequences. Now, here's my thinking. The Normandy was NOT in a mass relay when the explosion hti it. To me, it looked like it was in FTL. And I am sure someone will eventually find the Normandy. No matter which option you pick, every race has PLENTY of FTL capable ships. The destruction of the mass relays isn't an apocalypse, it's merely the destruction of a technology made to direct the growth of various species so the Reapers could predict the level of technology they would have to deal with. Life will go on in the galaxy. The Normandy will eventually be found. There are only so many places they could be realtive to earth if they used FTL. And, if Shepard lives, (which he does if you have a high enough EMS), you can be certain he will not rest till he finds the Normandy.

And this ending doesn't contradict ME1. I have heard some people complain that if the Catalyst is the citadel, then why would Sovereign need to be there. Simple, the catalyst was dormant. The Catalyst probably only activates if there is a problem and the Reapers need guidance on what to do. It's pretty clear that the reapers are self sufficient. They know their orders. They don't need to be controlled every second of everyday. So, the crucible docking to the Citadel activated the Catalyst, AND altered it's programming, allowing Shepard to activate its failsafes with out confrontation.

Forgive any spelling mistakes, I just can't comprehend why people hate this ending so much. This isn't supposed to be a happy ending, there isn't suppose to be one. The Galaxy as we know it just about came to an end. There is no happy way to end a somber story like that. But there is HOPE. The civilizations CAN rebuild with FTL. It will just take a lot longer since they don't have mass relays. Shepard will find the Normandy again. The Reapers, one way or another, will no longer threaten the galaxy.

That's how I view this ending.

I'm sorry, I can't even begin to agree with you in any way, and I'm far too tired to bother explaining why...

[SP One Nineteen]

Oh god I just realized my sigs were from 2 years ago...good god.

[Mhgasa]

SP One Nineteen wrote...

I agree with you Dragonfire. I wanted more than anything to sit on a hill, or wherever Shep's house might be and enjoy the rest of his life with Liara (my LI) and a pair of beautiful blue daughters.
We don't get that.
But I just read something that I truly did not take into account....BW was trying to set the stage for ME4....Well....If this goes through I just want my happily ever after. I understand why they can't give it to me, but that doesn't take my right to want it away.

Considering they said that me3 was the end of shepards story i doubt me4 will give you what you are looking for. Me4 will most like be set at a different time in the ME univers and ofc with a different main character

[babachewie]

3rd-apex wrote...

I honestly don't see why so many people hate the ending of this game... In my eyes, it was a master piece. Shepard gets nearly vaped by Harbinger, and is lucky to be alive. His other squadmates were picked up by the Normandy so they can assit in the battle (how else can you explain them getting on the Normandy for the final cinematic). Shepard wakes up at an un-known time after being nearly vaped, and gets to the citadel, has a BRILLIANTLY written scene with the Illusive man and Anderson. Shep is forced to shoot his friend, and you then have the oppotunity to kill the Illusive man before he kills Anderson.

The Crucible is linked to the Citadel, and Shepard talks to a Synthetic, who believes the only way to save Organics is by killing advanced synthetic and organic races. Think about that. The Synthetic that controls the reapers, is killing organics, just like he said all advanced synthetics do. I just love that fulfillment right there. 

Now you have a choice, and you HAVE to choose. Because, this is the ONLY way to beat the reapers. You can not defeat the repears conventionally. They outnumber everyone, even combined, it is clear that they grealy out number every other fleet. They have to work so hard just to kill 1 reaper, let alone thousands. There is no way, even combined, that galatic forces can beat the reapers. It can not be done, the races are just fighting back JUST hard enough to buy time for Shepard to find a way to beat them. Is this a plot device? Yes. Does it make sense? Yeah (except for synthesis, that one really doesn't make sense). Both the Paragon and Renegade options are failsafes, probably put in place by the original race that made the reapers, in case the catalyst (or AI controlling the reapers) went out of control, which it obviously did.

So you make your choice, and you have to live with the consequences. Now, here's my thinking. The Normandy was NOT in a mass relay when the explosion hti it. To me, it looked like it was in FTL. And I am sure someone will eventually find the Normandy. No matter which option you pick, every race has PLENTY of FTL capable ships. The destruction of the mass relays isn't an apocalypse, it's merely the destruction of a technology made to direct the growth of various species so the Reapers could predict the level of technology they would have to deal with. Life will go on in the galaxy. The Normandy will eventually be found. There are only so many places they could be realtive to earth if they used FTL. And, if Shepard lives, (which he does if you have a high enough EMS), you can be certain he will not rest till he finds the Normandy.

And this ending doesn't contradict ME1. I have heard some people complain that if the Catalyst is the citadel, then why would Sovereign need to be there. Simple, the catalyst was dormant. The Catalyst probably only activates if there is a problem and the Reapers need guidance on what to do. It's pretty clear that the reapers are self sufficient. They know their orders. They don't need to be controlled every second of everyday. So, the crucible docking to the Citadel activated the Catalyst, AND altered it's programming, allowing Shepard to activate its failsafes with out confrontation.

Forgive any spelling mistakes, I just can't comprehend why people hate this ending so much. This isn't supposed to be a happy ending, there isn't suppose to be one. The Galaxy as we know it just about came to an end. There is no happy way to end a somber story like that. But there is HOPE. The civilizations CAN rebuild with FTL. It will just take a lot longer since they don't have mass relays. Shepard will find the Normandy again. The Reapers, one way or another, will no longer threaten the galaxy.

That's how I view this ending.

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[primalgoose]

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*Sorry if it was already posted

[Tyion133]

SP One Nineteen wrote...

I agree with you Dragonfire. I wanted more than anything to sit on a hill, or wherever Shep's house might be and enjoy the rest of his life with Liara (my LI) and a pair of beautiful blue daughters.
We don't get that.
But I just read something that I truly did not take into account....BW was trying to set the stage for ME4....Well....If this goes through I just want my happily ever after. I understand why they can't give it to me, but that doesn't take my right to want it away.

If they did this just to set up for a possible ME4, then i'd be so pissed...

[Fox544]

Tyion133 wrote...

SP One Nineteen wrote...

I agree with you Dragonfire. I wanted more than anything to sit on a hill, or wherever Shep's house might be and enjoy the rest of his life with Liara (my LI) and a pair of beautiful blue daughters.
We don't get that.
But I just read something that I truly did not take into account....BW was trying to set the stage for ME4....Well....If this goes through I just want my happily ever after. I understand why they can't give it to me, but that doesn't take my right to want it away.

If they did this just to set up for a possible ME4, then i'd be so pissed...

Agreed.