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[Stakis]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

if anything were a sample, ever heard of polls ? we represent what most of the fanbase tought of the endings, EA / Bioware would be fools if they didnt realize that most people, vocal or not in the forums, are not happy, and unhappy customers is very bad for future business .

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

J5550123 wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

Well, you've got to think about the other people who don't get on forums and who don't get to voice their opinion. They could be just as angry, and there could be millions that we don't know about.

agreed, but let's assume each vote represents 10 other angry customers then 30,000 actually equals 300,000 but that's only 30% Besides EA probably sold more like 5-8 million copies which reduces our significance even more

[Computim]

Nex_Legis wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

Well, you've got to think about the other people who don't get on forums and who don't get to voice their opinion. They could be just as angry, and there could be millions that we don't know about.

Exactly, and if you're angry and not telling everyone on the internet like we do, you can still decide never to invest money in BioWare/EA products again.

Yup.  Posted earlier but I'll reiterate.. Customer Service statiscal analyses over the years say that for every 1 person that complains about a problem to a company, 10 more are upset and don't.  Meaning we could easily have 10 times as many upset, just not doing anything about it, be that from apathy, not knowing how, not realizing they could, or because they're upset enough they're just not being a customer anymore.

Our 30,000 could actually be 300,000 or more... people are still finishing the game.... 10% of your earliest finishers, your most committed already thinking your ending wasn't finished, wasn't to the same quality as the rest of your game, it doesn't bode well.

[illutian]

Computim wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

By the way: http://twitter.com/#...307366397902848

Wait, WHAT?

Poor Bioware staff.. so young.. and already indoctrinated

Screw the RP crap. This is a very bad thing. You DO NOT MAKE FUN OF YOUR CUSTOMERS TO THEIR FACES. 
NEVER, NEVER, EVER. First thing they tell you in any Customer Interaction job.

[J5550123]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

Well, you've got to think about the other people who don't get on forums and who don't get to voice their opinion. They could be just as angry, and there could be millions that we don't know about.

agreed, but let's assume each vote represents 10 other angry customers then 30,000 actually equals 300,000 but that's only 30% Besides EA probably sold more like 5-8 million copies which reduces our significance even more

I guess this all depends on what type of company Bioware is. If the company is good, then they will care about us and give us what we want. If they're not so good, then they'll ignore us.

[TamiBx]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

Because :
1) not everyone has finished their games yet. Actually, a lot of people haven't even received it yet
2) not everyone will get up, register at BSN and actually vote for something like this even if they are mad. Too much work. Unless they are really big fans, they are just going to toss it aside and never play it again
3) selling  it doesn't mean finishing it. Someone people buy the game and never finish it. I've done it several times.
4) because this is bad for their image. People will know about this and it will look bad for them later, when they release something new (like DA3). I knew how much bad media/review/reception DA2 got even before I played it.  

[Matt_gekko88]

primalgoose wrote...

Anyone happen to have the link to the image of the similarities between ME3's ending and the antispiral (the one with Tali's photo and junk)

Friend of mine just finished the game and just told me "I don't think I've ever been this disappointed with an ending "

I hope this works.

[hector7rau]

Polat995 wrote...

Mass Effect 1 Commercial



Narrator: "Many decisions lie ahed... None of them easy"
Me: Wait, what?!
Narrator: Sorry! "Many decisions lie ahed... NONE OF THEM MATTERS!"

No kidding.
It's that Nolan North saying the stuff at the end. It kinda sounded like him...

[MrAtomica]

J5550123 wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

Well, you've got to think about the other people who don't get on forums and who don't get to voice their opinion. They could be just as angry, and there could be millions that we don't know about.

30,000 people, and this does not necessarily represent all those who want better endings, is not a small number. For a forum, this is an absolutely massive amount of consensus on something.

I seriously doubt that this many people could be safely ignored, at least if Bioware is hoping to appease as many fans as possible. I keep hearing arguments about money, vision, etc., but none about developers wanting people to enjoy their product. It would be crushing to me, if I were one of the devs. This amount of dissatisfaction is insane.

[LethesDeep]

Nathos wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

Hey if we can have space magic, we can have unicorns and rainbows as well..

Reminds me of this.

It was the Protheans!!!

I thought it was translator microbes that were injected into a person's foot at birth which... oh, wait. Wrong series. But seriously (and I know this is off topic) is that ever explained? or is it really just more space magic?

On-topic: I'm seeing alot of comments on Kotaku supporting our side and tearing through every argument against us. Maybe those morons at Kotaku will finally get the picture.

[balance5050]

DLC sales people, theyre going to sell you the end, what we have now is the indoctrination attempt.

[TcomJ]

http://social.biowar...index/9833130/1

THIS IS NOW MY ENDING!!!! VERY WELL WRITTEN!!!

[ziyon conqueror]

Here's something I just thought of: celebrations, flash forward to Shepard's wedding (if you have LI) (officiated by either Hackett or Anderson) and surrounded by friends, family and other associates.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Ivon wrote...

Computim wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

By the way: http://twitter.com/#...307366397902848

Wait, WHAT?

Poor Bioware staff.. so young.. and already indoctrinated

Screw the RP crap. This is a very bad thing. You DO NOT MAKE FUN OF YOUR CUSTOMERS TO THEIR FACES. 
NEVER, NEVER, EVER. First thing they tell you in any Customer Interaction job.

Unfortunately, not in the Video Game industry I guess.

[Fulerene]

Computim wrote...

beyondsolo wrote...

To be honest, the gaming media can call us whatever they want. If a few "journalists" happen to think that their opinion is in some way better than that of ~30,000 concerned players, then let them.

In some way I'm sad to see that the reaction to the endings is having financial impact. I'd rather BioWare would come to listen out of genuine interest in the opinion of their fans (sounds naive, I know) rather than in response to the pressure caused by price decay of their product and EA's fuming about shrinking profit margins. It's a shame it always reverts to that...

It's not just 30,000.  It's 30,000 who were upset enough to get off their butts, come to bioware's site, find the poll,  and say something.. First rule of PR and customer service are there are 10 times as many people who don't like something as those who don't like something and complain about it..  These people not only complained, but they actually had to FIND where TO complain.. another hurdle that would remove people.

So assuming we have 300,000, of the 1.5 million so far.. that's 20%, 3 million, that's 10% ... it's not a small minority, and being as most of them are people who have accounts loaded down with other titles registered it's a loyal minority of the STUDIO fans.. this goes beyond one franchise, they have the ability to alienate or provide an olive branch here.

Take your choice Bioware.  Paragon, or Renegade.  (I would die laughing if a Mod replied to this by shooting me haha )

I never visit gaming forums. After the credits started rolling, I felt compelled to look online to see if anyone else felt the same disbelief I did. My first visit and post to the Bioware forums was to express how let down I was by the conclusion to my favorite series ever. And I have been following this thread for the past day.

If someone like me is going through this kind of effort, that is a BAD sign. Heck, I had to go back and forth a few times through profile settings to dig up product keys just to post!

[Matt_gekko88]

LethesDeep wrote...

Nathos wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

Hey if we can have space magic, we can have unicorns and rainbows as well..

Reminds me of this.

It was the Protheans!!!

I thought it was translator microbes that were injected into a person's foot at birth

Nah, Babelfish.

[The Big Palooka]

So yeah.  Spent my lunch hour writing an angry manifesto, as you do.  But it actually brought about one idea I legit hadn’t thought of before, and now my mind is even more full of wuahrufhgf.

 Okay, so the Reaper invasion wasn’t supposed to happen when it did – Sovereign intended to start it all the way back in the end of ME1.  We also learn, back in ME1, that the invasion was also supposed to begin before that – in fact, it was supposed to begin years before that, as Sovereign supposedly spent a crapload of time trying to determine why the Reaper’s signal wasn’t received. 

Why was any of this necessary?  The Citadel was ‘part of’ the Reaper’s creator.  The god!machine was apparently in control of it, or even just plain was the Citadel itself, the whole time.  That being the case, it really should’ve been aware of any meddling the Protheans might have done, if not outright prevented it. I mean, right?  Yet instead, the god!machine allows the invasion to be delayed, possibly by centuries, while its own subservient creations must make a covert investigation of a problem that exists within itself.

And just as a cherry on top, it lets all this happen while the very event it claims to be preventing, the creation of synthetic life and war between the synthetics and their creators totally goes ahead and happens while the god!machine sits on its hands.

I – I suppose it could’ve been on purpose.  But then, why?  WHY ANYTHING, WUAHRUFHGF. 

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par The Big Palooka, 12 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[KaiserinKai]

monimakitten wrote...

Hey if we can have space magic, we can have unicorns and rainbows as well..

You forgot the smiley.

SPACE Magic

[KHReborn]

LethesDeep wrote...

I thought it was translator microbes that were injected into a person's foot at birth which... oh, wait. Wrong series. But seriously (and I know this is off topic) is that ever explained? or is it really just more space magic?

On-topic: I'm seeing alot of comments on Kotaku supporting our side and tearing through every argument against us. Maybe those morons at Kotaku will finally get the picture.

The Omnitools autotranslate for you. It's said in one of the books. I think the 3rd one.

[karambiatos]

LethesDeep wrote...



I thought it was translator microbes that were injected into a person's foot at birth which... oh, wait. Wrong series. But seriously (and I know this is off topic) is that ever explained? or is it really just more space magic?

On-topic: I'm seeing alot of comments on Kotaku supporting our side and tearing through every argument against us. Maybe those morons at Kotaku will finally get the picture.

i think everyone speaks galactic, its just translated into english for obvious reasons, that or there were super duper ultra fast translators

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

J5550123 wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

Well, you've got to think about the other people who don't get on forums and who don't get to voice their opinion. They could be just as angry, and there could be millions that we don't know about.

agreed, but let's assume each vote represents 10 other angry customers then 30,000 actually equals 300,000 but that's only 30% Besides EA probably sold more like 5-8 million copies which reduces our significance even more

I guess this all depends on what type of company Bioware is. If the company is good, then they will care about us and give us what we want. If they're not so good, then they'll ignore us.

I agree and I'm not happy about the endings but EA still runs the show and they're going to see 30,000 or 300,000 mad customers as "acceptable loss" I mean they have our money and it costs a fair amount to create a new ending so why invest it? that's my point EA won't care about 3% or even 30% as long as they have the money. ME is "over" they already got our money  

[Dj14365]

Mattroy wrote...

Anyways, I'm upset. I would never normally go to a forum for not liking a game but this is on a different level. 99.99% of the series is perfect until the last 5 minutes where the team was seemingly stricken with loss of long term memory and reasoning? What the hell happened? Rant over.

That is exactly how I feel, and before Friday night I had never been apart of let alone wrote on a forum. Now I'm a few dozen post in and until this is resolved I'm going to stay right here on my soap box.

[LoyalHulk]

Original poster asked to link this here:

http://social.biowar...index/9792751/4

Great player made endings

[Jesta79-X]

Even Mass Effect facebook pages are starting to get the back lash when they post something.

Surprised they didn't see this was gonna happen.

[Darkwingduck]

Ivon wrote...

Computim wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

By the way: http://twitter.com/#...307366397902848

Wait, WHAT?

Poor Bioware staff.. so young.. and already indoctrinated

Screw the RP crap. This is a very bad thing. You DO NOT MAKE FUN OF YOUR CUSTOMERS TO THEIR FACES. 
NEVER, NEVER, EVER. First thing they tell you in any Customer Interaction job.

Unrelated but the last unicorn is an amazing movie.