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[mpgeist]

There's one thing I don't get. This AI controlling the citadel is omniscient and the Reapers all-powerful and their goal is to protect organic life from synthetic. Why don't the reapers just destroy synthetics when they're created and tell organics they're next if they don't stop creating synthetics.

[KaiserinKai]

babachewie wrote...

Stakis wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

if anything were a sample, ever heard of polls ? we represent what most of the fanbase tought of the endings, EA / Bioware would be fools if they didnt realize that most people, vocal or not in the forums, are not happy, and unhappy customers is very bad for future business .

Not really. Most people who are happy about it probably dont care if people hate it and don't care about taking a poll to prove it. They are satisfied and thats why they wont change the ending. If they did then they would be pissing off a whole other group that will start the same crap you guys are doin. 

Oh really, then why did the big did you dislike ME 2 poll have 80% saying they liked it?

[Eumerin]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

Because the typical thought by corporations and politicians is that the people who provide feedback only represent a small proportion of like-minded individuals.  Or in other words, the fact that the forum is awash in complaints about the ending of the game means that there are a many more people out there who are just as upset, but for whatever reason they're not expressing their displeasure about the game in a way that Bioware and EA can see.

Additionally, whenever there's a fan backlash about a product, there's almost always still a decently-sized group of fans that insist that the product is good despite the complaints.  For instance, despite the complaints about DA2, a number of us actually liked the game and posted as much.  So you still get a certain amount of "pushback" in support of the product from those who are willing to be vocal in their support.  In the case of ME3, there are posts supporting the ending.  But they're so few as to be virtually swallowed up in the tidal wave of of those who aren't happy with the ending.  In short, if there was a large group of people who actually liked the endings, then there should be more evidence of it on the forum.  The fact that so few people are posting in response to the endings (even after taking "No News is Good News" into account) strongly suggests that the vast majority of silent fans are also unhappy about the end of the game.

[Annaleah]

if you’re experiencing any of the following, you may have played Mass Effect 3

[TheRealMithril]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

primalgoose wrote...

Anyone happen to have the link to the image of the similarities between ME3's ending and the antispiral (the one with Tali's photo and junk)

Friend of mine just finished the game and just told me "I don't think I've ever been this disappointed with an ending "

I hope this works.

Oh, snap.

[Kloborgg711]

Fox544 wrote...


The other guess was it was Joker and his kid. But that one maybe less likely considering breeding choices would 1 be slim and 2 maybe crippleing.

Though those 2 are there for a reason other than making people furious. Knowing Bioware those 2 are some kind of hint or mystery to the game. Somehow this old timer know everything about you (Considering he knows what moral choices and who you were porking) but is in no way connected to you?

Hah, no offense meant but can you honestly imagine Joker giving the kind speech that you hear at the end? 
Sorry, I'm guessing no.

[Fox544]

Darkwingduck wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...


2) The grandfather and child is probably Shepard and his child.

"Hello, my sweet. Allow me to tell you a tale of how awesome I was. I'll start with the part where I chased this m**f**er Saren across the galaxy so I could convince him to committ suicide. Later we can talk about all the alien species I fornicated with. Maybe I'll even throw in some drinking, or a murder here or there. The important part that you have to remember is that I'm awesome and the galaxy would be doomed on several occasions without me"

Grandfather of the year, easily. Or just Renegade Shep acting out.

He never admitted to it being him he just says the Shepard.

[CaptnObvious]

Fox544 wrote...

Spoke with a friend who has played every single Bioware game and he made a couple of points.

1) It sounds like they're gonna pull a KoTOR and have an ME4 that starts you out as a squadmate and the planet will just so happen to be home to the creators or something.

2) The grandfather and child is probably Shepard and his child.

3) If there is a new ending it might come in the form of Omega DLC since the campaign hyped it so much but with no conclusion.

I would be behind #1 if confirmed and done correctly or #3. I think #2 is probably accurate as some kind of teaser.

I don't want to argue, those are good points, but i'd have somethings to say.

1. I absolutely believe that's what they have in mind.

2. The Stargazer's, to me, aren't humans. All humans got Reaped anyways. They're just telling the old human fairy-tale of the Shepard. He dies when Harbinger's beam hits him : he's vaporised. At least that gives some direct closure lol. Everyone's who's from a major race is dead, and all is left are artifacts like Dreadnoughts and stuff like that. Maybe a fossilized N7 armor too...

3. I doubt. I would LOVE it if they gave some more closure, but i think it won't be very satisfying. Im sure they will do a Omega DLC though. Aria was just so weird, and had very little conversation. Also, she never address any of the Priority missions unfoldings.

[archangel1996]

it's amazing how on twitter bioware/ea do not answer questions and try to save their asses
and this from a fan of the saga and of bioware

Modifié par archangel1996, 12 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[FugitiveMind]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...


2) The grandfather and child is probably Shepard and his child.

"Hello, my sweet. Allow me to tell you a tale of how awesome I was. I'll start with the part where I chased this m**f**er Saren across the galaxy so I could convince him to committ suicide. Later we can talk about all the alien species I fornicated with. Maybe I'll even throw in some drinking, or a murder here or there. The important part that you have to remember is that I'm awesome and the galaxy would be doomed on several occasions without me"

Oh yeah, and I was a woman

[Darkspazztic]

Raged enough to come to the forums. Maybe I'm late to the party, but this was something I posted at a different site and I feel it very strongly about it:

It's like you've had this long, emotional friendship, and this guy/girl is your best friend. You've been through thick and thin, and you feel you had a hand in shaping their personality. They've got their bad parts, but through the long haul it's been good and you think you've got it made and have everything figured out.

Then they die...or move somewhere that you'll probably never be able to contact and meet them again...and this all happens so suddenly that you have no chance to say goodbye. A part of you is ripped out. You've not just lost a friend, you've lost part of yourself.

That is the feeling I got as the end credits rolled. I mean, I'm still pissed as **** about it. Worried about it all day at work, and it's a goddamn video game. I'll never get to spend the rest of my (Shepard) life with Liara. Never gonna know how the Krogans react to being free of the genophage. Never going to see how Garrus and Tali make it work. Never going to give the eulogy at Anderson's funeral. None of that. I've lost a friend. That friend being the world of Mass Effect. Suddenly, emotionally, and violently.

On the one hand, Bioware has transcended the normal experience. They've made us care about the world. We've not just gone with it, we've shaped it along the way. We've made tough decisions that we figured would have a lasting and massive effect (yuk yuk yuk). They've made us care about the characters we've helped shape and taken along with us for the ride. They've made us care about the character we control, even though he/she has little to no history and lore outside of what we pick in the first game. Taking that away so suddenly has shown us just how deep our feelings for it go, and left an emotional void that no game I have ever played has left. Not a single one. That is a great achievement, and though there will undoubtedly be more trilogies and games like Mass Effect, I don't think any of them will ever touch people (like me) so deeply.

On the other hand, they royally...royally ****ed up the experience with the ending. I would pay for an actual ending. I would pay above and beyond the game's price for an actual ending. I'll freely and willingly give Bioware more money for a real ending. I don't care if it was spoiled and ruined by a leak. Give me that ****ing ending. Let me choose a Paragon, Neutral, and/or Renegade path that follows my character after he lives. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a scenario where Shepard dies. I just don't believe there should have been a "no chance of survival", Deus Ex: HR style ending.

Let me marry Liara. Let me have kids. Let me visit Wrex after he's united the Krogan. Or let me blow the **** out of everything and not give a damn. Give me something. Give me something personal, like you've done at every point up until this. Not this ****.

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...


Its probably EA calling the shots and when do they care about customers?  ...   you really think EA cares about 10% 

Since they cared about money. Just because the people at the top EA may not care about us individually, doesn't mean they don't care about losing 10% of their customers. I still don't think you fully grasp how significant 10% is in this context.

I know 10% is a lot but if they do make ME4 and say this is the true end or some such crap they're betting a good portion of that 10% or 20% or even 30% are coming back to buy. Lets assume they don't make anymore ME games then why not rush the end? Its cheaper and you'll have everyones money. My point is EA has a history of not caring (just look at the DRM issue, being sued is a pretty big sign saying people are mad) yet they didn't do that much (actually I think they got sued 3 times). I'd love to see new endings, hell I'd love it see more than one ending copy/pasted with a color filter but I just don't see it happening  and I pray to God I'm wrong 

[panamakira]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

By the way: http://twitter.com/#...307366397902848

I feel like they're making fun of us though. Talk about lack of professionalism. If they don't have nothing good to say, it's better to not say anything. I'm sure this is some random PR person but still....

Ugh.....whatever~ I've been saying that a lot~ <_<

[malakim2099]

mpgeist wrote...

There's one thing I don't get. This AI controlling the citadel is omniscient and the Reapers all-powerful and their goal is to protect organic life from synthetic. Why don't the reapers just destroy synthetics when they're created and tell organics they're next if they don't stop creating synthetics.

Better yet, why didn't the Catalyst AI just override your attempts to stop Sovereign in the first game? 

(I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere in the 864 previous pages, but this platform is not devoting significant run-time to filtering that data.)

You really should have had a Captain Kirk "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NO-WIN SCENARIO" option and thrown the Geth/Quarian peace in the Catalyst's virtual face. I was WAITING for that.

[babachewie]

KaiserinKai wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Stakis wrote...

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

if anything were a sample, ever heard of polls ? we represent what most of the fanbase tought of the endings, EA / Bioware would be fools if they didnt realize that most people, vocal or not in the forums, are not happy, and unhappy customers is very bad for future business .

Not really. Most people who are happy about it probably dont care if people hate it and don't care about taking a poll to prove it. They are satisfied and thats why they wont change the ending. If they did then they would be pissing off a whole other group that will start the same crap you guys are doin. 

Oh really, then why did the big did you dislike ME 2 poll have 80% saying they liked it?

How many people is 80%? I said most not all.

[zer00a]

Wonder if Liara's time capsule had anything to do with the Stargeezer.

[Eumerin]

KHReborn wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

I thought it was translator microbes that were injected into a person's foot at birth which... oh, wait. Wrong series. But seriously (and I know this is off topic) is that ever explained? or is it really just more space magic?

On-topic: I'm seeing alot of comments on Kotaku supporting our side and tearing through every argument against us. Maybe those morons at Kotaku will finally get the picture.

The Omnitools autotranslate for you. It's said in one of the books. I think the 3rd one.

It's a minor plot point in the "Bring Down the Sky" DLC from ME1.  The first time you run into the Batarians, you just hear them speaking gibberish.  Your translation tool promptly downloads the necessary software to translate Batarian speech, and you hear them in your native language for the rest of the mission.

Modifié par Eumerin, 12 mars 2012 - 11:45 .

[Fox544]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...


The other guess was it was Joker and his kid. But that one maybe less likely considering breeding choices would 1 be slim and 2 maybe crippleing.

Though those 2 are there for a reason other than making people furious. Knowing Bioware those 2 are some kind of hint or mystery to the game. Somehow this old timer know everything about you (Considering he knows what moral choices and who you were porking) but is in no way connected to you?

Hah, no offense meant but can you honestly imagine Joker giving the kind speech that you hear at the end? 
Sorry, I'm guessing no.

Just giving you an option. The glimmer of hope is what I like. It beats wallowing in the filth of the ending or hoping Bioware subscribes to Hollywood Cliches monthly.

[revaew]

the polls is at 30k people against the endings? and i think that this number isn't quite representative of the amount or people that agree with us. I know about 10 of my friends hate the endings just as much as us, but only one at the most posts on this forum. and I'm only like 25% sure that he would post on here anyway. so I think there are tons more people that don't post on here but yet hate the ending.

also, i have about 5 friends and both of my brothers who are still playing the game. they play like maybe an hour or 2 every day or 2. It's going to be weeks before they finish and they will hate the endings as well. So Bioware should also take into consideration all of the people that havent even beat it yet.

[panamakira]

Annaleah wrote...

if you’re experiencing any of the following, you may have played Mass Effect 3

LMAO~ I did a lot of inner GROSS SOBING then. This is awesome~

[ColloquialAnachron]

Darkspazztic wrote...

Give me something. Give me something personal, like you've done at every point up until this. Not this ****.

QFT

[Darkwingduck]

Annaleah wrote...

if you’re experiencing any of the following, you may have played Mass Effect 3

All of these things...starting a playthrough where I didn't spare Maelon's data...regretting it already. 

[Auralius Carolus]

mpgeist wrote...

There's one thing I don't get. This AI controlling the citadel is omniscient and the Reapers all-powerful and their goal is to protect organic life from synthetic. Why don't the reapers just destroy synthetics when they're created and tell organics they're next if they don't stop creating synthetics.

I originally thought the Reapers were going to be some hyper-intellegent ancient species that ascended themselves to a pseudo-godhood. But the Reaper's appear to be indoctrinated in and of themselves into a paradoxical belief system: We must destroy biology and turn it into synthetic life in order to save biology from being destroyed by other synthetic life. It is blatently contradictory to cyclic logic.

[Matt_gekko88]

Sorry, can't stop spamming.

In the other (german) ME-forum I write in, there are still new registered users, totally disappointed about the ending.

My response to all of them:  Retake Mass Effect :3

[Dj14365]

mpgeist wrote...

There's one thing I don't get. This AI controlling the citadel is omniscient and the Reapers all-powerful and their goal is to protect organic life from synthetic. Why don't the reapers just destroy synthetics when they're created and tell organics they're next if they don't stop creating synthetics.

Because that is logical