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[Alamandorious]

Eirileth wrote...

Taeran88 wrote...

I absolutely loved the game...until the ending. It's not the worst ending in the history of gaming, but it's not enough for this series. I mean we're talking about Mass effin Effect here, one of the best RPG series in gaming, and all I get is 3 endings that left me unsatisfied. I'm not terribly disappointed but I am not satisfied.

The game was a 9.5 to 10/10 until the last minutes where it went to 7 for me. I really am a Bioware fanboy, but this will make me doubt how good these guys are with their games, and how commited they are to their fanbase if we don't get a decent ending.

I busted my ass to get 6700+ assets and 100% Galactic Readiness, and I want a "best possible ending".

Don't blame BioWare. They feel horrible about all of this, judging by Chris Priestly's tweet last night. EA strong armed them into this. EA is notorious for doing that to good game companies that end up working with them.

I suspect as much, really.  EA is known for ruining game franchises...just look at Command and Conquer 4.  Beta testers kept telling them it sucked, they didn't listen...game went from $60 bucks to $30 bucks in a month.

[Kloborgg711]

Eirileth wrote...

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Why would Joker tell the kid that it happened so long ago, why would Joker tell the kid that the details have been lost, what would happen if Shepard didn't have a kid, and why would Shepard's kid refer to his father as "The Shepard" (his own last name).

No, there's a lot ambiguity about a lot of things, but it's clear that Stargazer and "child" live far into the future, when the whole story is this forgotten myth.

Modifié par Kloborgg711, 13 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[wombat_stalker]

Taris. That's what the whole thing has been reminding me of. (Spoilers for the two of you who haven't played KotOR): You ran around this gorgeous city doing good deeds and making people's lives better (or being a thug, proto-renegades had no finesse) for hours, finally took off to the sky in an epic finale... as the city you just spent hours in was bombarded to smithereens. Cue a somewhat gutted blank-eyed feeling. Mind, this was the end of the 'prologue', and part of defining the bad guy as the BAD guy, and not the ending. But the feeling's the same one; and it doesn't belong at the end of an otherwise epically magnificent sci-fi saga.

[panamakira]

Darkwingduck wrote...

Has anyone finished a new game plus run? Is it the same? Is the ending any different?

I heard that a ME2 import is considered and NG+? Not sure if that's right. I think the Stargazer scene is the NG+ ending? That's what i read. No where to confirm since I turned off my Xbox the moment I realized I got trolled by Bioware~

[Pabloskie]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

One thing I do want to bring up is we aren't a lot of people. Lets assume EA sells 1 million copies of ME3, then we represent (at 30,000 votes) 3% of total consumers. So remember that, even if we get to 100,000 votes that's only 10% of your customers. Why would they remake the ending for 10%?

From a bottom line point of view...yes. That 10% represents a huge part of your return customers, those who are brand loyal.Not the casual gamer that you were able to bring on board due to cleaver marketing and PR. Depending on how much it would cost in making the altered endings from devlopment to distribution and they can ship it out as a pay for DLC its very logical that EA considers putting it out. It's a great opportunity to generate a decent ammount of revenue, weather you agree with or not, must of will end up shelling 10$ if not more. So from a business standpoint, our discontent with the final product presents a very tempting business opportunity.

[KaiserinKai]

Eirileth wrote...

So... I heard some possible leaks today. Firstly: The old man and the child at the end of the ending, after the credits, are apparently Joker and your Love Interest's child. Which... I could see kind of. If you think about it one way. If they did land on that random planet and survive long enough, Joker could be an old man telling your child about you and how you were a legend.

Secondly, Anonymous from EA apparently dropped a COUPLE vague hints at there being more ME games... And a hint about James, though nothing detailed. I heard this via word of mouth, mind you.

The problem with both of these leaks is that it validates the current endings and I do not agree with this.

This could be why they want us to keep our saves so bad.

Makes NO sense. My LI was Garrus. That pretty much sums up how crazy that is...

So Garrus somehow had my Fem Shep's kid. Must be SPACE Magic

[Aztlanna]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

If you think EA would ever say to themselves 
"Oh, we only alienated 30% of our players. Big deal"
You really don't understand business.

Actually, as I understand it, there is some argument about copies sold vs copies shipped. The outcry is affecting sales. People are returning their games or choosing not to buy because of what they've heard / seen about the endings. It's already impacting the bottom line. Look how much the price has dropped, new, in the first week. That's not the sign of a healthy game.

[Auralius Carolus]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

The ENTIRE suicide mission was a dynamic scene based on your choices.  What upgrades you bought, who was loyal, the weapons and ship upgrades ALL factored in to how well you did.  Your entire team could die, along with your entire crew based on your choices.  And if you lived, you got to make the call on the collector base.

In ME3, the troops on the ground either cheer or they don't, and the laser changes colors.  Neat.

Yeah, the gathering of military support is a nice concept, but it shouldn't have any real impact on if you survive or not in the citadel, yet it does. It's an over-simplified mechanic. Just like the removal of "bypass" minigames, I feel that they attempted to fix a nonissue here.

If they wanted to streamline the gameplay, well, guess what? They made an "Action" mode. There it is.

[Eirileth]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

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Why would Joker tell the kid that it happened so long ago, why would Joker tell the kid that the details have been lost, what would happen if Shepard didn't have a kid, and why would Shepard's kid refer to his father as "The Shepard".

No, there's a lot ambiguity about a lot of things, but it's clear that Stargazer and "child" live far into the future, when the whole story is this forgotten myth.

Which is why I said it was word of mouth. But you must also admit. Nothing after Shepard talks to Anderson and he dies makes sense anyway.

[karambiatos]

Alamandorious wrote...

I suspect as much, really.  EA is known for ruining game franchises...just look at Command and Conquer 4.  Beta testers kept telling them it sucked, they didn't listen...game went from $60 bucks to $30 bucks in a month.

westwood, poor poor westwood

i just hope it doesnt turn into poor poor bioware

[TamiBx]

Eirileth wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

So... I heard some possible leaks today. Firstly: The old man and the child at the end of the ending, after the credits, are apparently Joker and your Love Interest's child.

Joker and Kaidan: Forbidden Love, the new fanfic

No. Joker talking to the child that your Love Interest has after all of this happens. Which could be Shepard's child, depending on who you romanced and what gender you were.

Ahm...that's sexist. Why does BroShep gets to have a child and FemShep can't? That would make absolutely no sense. I mean, why would Joker care about telling Kaidan's son what happened to Shepard? It would take away the "telling the kid a story about their parent" feeling...because, well, the kid won't be FemShep's kid.

Also...Joker would have to get so old in such a short amount of time! 

[Aztlanna]

3rd-apex wrote...

stupid question... when has Bioware ever given us control over the ending?

I'm glad you're content with the ending, but promises were made. They couldn't give as many choices with 1 and 2 due to continuity issues. But as 3 was supposed to be the last game, the crowning achievement in the trilogy, Bioware stated there would be many, many outcomes, driven by player choices, and that we would have our questions answered. All questions were not answered. No choices made a difference. That is a breach of trust.

[Eumerin]

Eirileth wrote...

So... I heard some possible leaks today. Firstly: The old man and the child at the end of the ending, after the credits, are apparently Joker and your Love Interest's child. Which... I could see kind of. If you think about it one way. If they did land on that random planet and survive long enough, Joker could be an old man telling your child about you and how you were a legend.

I suspect that if Stargazer was meant to be Joker, then they would have had Seth Green voice the part.

Also, can you imagine Joker calling someone, "My sweet," and not dissolving into laughter immediately afterwards?  I sure can't.

[The Big Palooka]

Darkspazztic wrote...

Raged enough to come to the forums. Maybe I'm late to the party, but this was something I posted at a different site and I feel it very strongly about it:

It's like you've had this long, emotional friendship, and this guy/girl is your best friend. You've been through thick and thin, and you feel you had a hand in shaping their personality. They've got their bad parts, but through the long haul it's been good and you think you've got it made and have everything figured out.

Then they die...or move somewhere that you'll probably never be able to contact and meet them again...and this all happens so suddenly that you have no chance to say goodbye. A part of you is ripped out. You've not just lost a friend, you've lost part of yourself.

That is the feeling I got as the end credits rolled. I mean, I'm still pissed as **** about it. Worried about it all day at work, and it's a goddamn video game. I'll never get to spend the rest of my (Shepard) life with Liara. Never gonna know how the Krogans react to being free of the genophage. Never going to see how Garrus and Tali make it work. Never going to give the eulogy at Anderson's funeral. None of that. I've lost a friend. That friend being the world of Mass Effect. Suddenly, emotionally, and violently.

On the one hand, Bioware has transcended the normal experience. They've made us care about the world. We've not just gone with it, we've shaped it along the way. We've made tough decisions that we figured would have a lasting and massive effect (yuk yuk yuk). They've made us care about the characters we've helped shape and taken along with us for the ride. They've made us care about the character we control, even though he/she has little to no history and lore outside of what we pick in the first game. Taking that away so suddenly has shown us just how deep our feelings for it go, and left an emotional void that no game I have ever played has left. Not a single one. That is a great achievement, and though there will undoubtedly be more trilogies and games like Mass Effect, I don't think any of them will ever touch people (like me) so deeply.

On the other hand, they royally...royally ****ed up the experience with the ending. I would pay for an actual ending. I would pay above and beyond the game's price for an actual ending. I'll freely and willingly give Bioware more money for a real ending. I don't care if it was spoiled and ruined by a leak. Give me that ****ing ending. Let me choose a Paragon, Neutral, and/or Renegade path that follows my character after he lives. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a scenario where Shepard dies. I just don't believe there should have been a "no chance of survival", Deus Ex: HR style ending.

Let me marry Liara. Let me have kids. Let me visit Wrex after he's united the Krogan. Or let me blow the **** out of everything and not give a damn. Give me something. Give me something personal, like you've done at every point up until this. Not this ****.

Dude, never too late for the party.  Welcome to the party.  Let it all out, this is a safe place.

[TamiBx]

Eumerin wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

So... I heard some possible leaks today. Firstly: The old man and the child at the end of the ending, after the credits, are apparently Joker and your Love Interest's child. Which... I could see kind of. If you think about it one way. If they did land on that random planet and survive long enough, Joker could be an old man telling your child about you and how you were a legend.

I suspect that if Stargazer was meant to be Joker, then they would have had Seth Green voice the part.

Also, can you imagine Joker calling someone, "My sweet," and not dissolving into laughter immediately afterwards?  I sure can't.

He is called Joker for a reason...

[Annaleah]

Eirileth wrote...

Taeran88 wrote...

I absolutely loved the game...until the ending. It's not the worst ending in the history of gaming, but it's not enough for this series. I mean we're talking about Mass effin Effect here, one of the best RPG series in gaming, and all I get is 3 endings that left me unsatisfied. I'm not terribly disappointed but I am not satisfied.

The game was a 9.5 to 10/10 until the last minutes where it went to 7 for me. I really am a Bioware fanboy, but this will make me doubt how good these guys are with their games, and how commited they are to their fanbase if we don't get a decent ending.

I busted my ass to get 6700+ assets and 100% Galactic Readiness, and I want a "best possible ending".

Don't blame BioWare. They feel horrible about all of this, judging by Chris Priestly's tweet last night. EA strong armed them into this. EA is notorious for doing that to good game companies that end up working with them.

I'm willing to bet that Bioware actually had some good endings written out then EA read them and said... NAH! Everyone liked that Deus Ex game that came out last summer... LETS END IT LIKE THAT!

Of course there were protests but then EA reminded Bioware where their paychecks and health insurance came from and the rest is history...

[Jackal7713]

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

[Jesta79-X]

 Here we go!
I think the majority can agree with this.
www.youtube.com/watch

[Auralius Carolus]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Makes NO sense. My LI was Garrus. That pretty much sums up how crazy that is...

So Garrus somehow had my Fem Shep's kid. Must be SPACE Magic

The synthesis option would potentially open that up. If many different species could be turned into the same types of Reapers, then pseudo-synthetic beings may be able to cross-breed. Then again, this does not solve the other paradoxical issues preceeding the synthesis option.

And my LI was Tali, so it's in the same ballpark. Although Quarians are supposed to be evolutionary near-parallels to humans, it's still a long shot with SPACE MAGIC. If my Shepard could stay with her though, I'm sure there's no harm in trying...

[Eirileth]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Which is why I said it was word of mouth. But you must also admit. Nothing after Shepard talks to Anderson and he dies makes sense anyway.

I think it stops making sense when Shepard takes a Reaper cannon blast to the face and lives...

I do feel kind of bad for Bioware though, they seem super proud of the game and they should be cause mostly it's incredible. People seem to forget about that because of the ball drop right at the end. But at the same time having the entire ME universe destroyed is too disheartening for me to want to play it again...

You know, I sent a tweet to Michael Gamble today. It said "even though I disliked the ending, the rest of the game was a masterpiece". He subsequently deleted it and retweeted someone else who was telling him the whole game was amazing. Kinda hurt my feelings. None of this is BioWare's fault. It's all EA.

[karambiatos]

Aztlanna wrote...

3rd-apex wrote...

stupid question... when has Bioware ever given us control over the ending?

I'm glad you're content with the ending, but promises were made. They couldn't give as many choices with 1 and 2 due to continuity issues. But as 3 was supposed to be the last game, the crowning achievement in the trilogy, Bioware stated there would be many, many outcomes, driven by player choices, and that we would have our questions answered. All questions were not answered. No choices made a difference. That is a breach of trust.

yes they did give you a choice, differenet colors of space magic

[LethesDeep]

monimakitten wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Heeey, I wanted a happy ending. That's why I redid so many of the missions and completely scraped my Geth section so the Geth and Quarrians would be saved.

I want a happy ending; and damn it if I didn't work for it.<_<

I have to admit I want a happy ending, not all sunshine and roses offcourse, but some level of  a good ending.
For me mass effect was always about hope, not destruction and violence. The hope to win against all odds, and Shepard was the symbol of that hope.  Call me silly if you wish but real life is bleak enough.

Tell me about it. This is how I thought the "golden ending" was gonna play out:

Shepard destroys the Reapers from the Citadel (I read the leaked script, ok?) and barely makes it through the Conduit before it explodes. Shep is buried in rubble. We then see the LI and a squadmate looking through the rubble for Shepard. The LI finds him and signals the other squadmate. They clear the rubble off Shepard. Shepard doesn't move (we're supposed to think Shep's dead). The LI starts to break down while the other squadmate hangs their head in grief, then Shepard gasps and wakes up. The LI helps Shepard to their feet and they look out over the remains of the London battlefield. Ruins and corpses are everywhere, but there are groups of soldiers looking for wounded survivors and putting down the occasional husk. Shep and co. start moving toward the survivors (Shep's limping and is practically covered with blood) as the camera pans up into a sunrise. Fade to black.

I thought we'd get something like that if we worked extremely hard. It's bleak, shows that there were plenty of sacrifices, but also shows that hope and happiness endures (I feel like that's one of the major themes of this series). Maybe before that lil paragrapgh of fan-fic above we could be shown the fleets getting annihilated and have a few squadmates perform their own heroic sacrifices (this is my idea of a "golden ending", mind).

Modifié par LethesDeep, 13 mars 2012 - 12:09 .