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[CaptnObvious]

Hey i just saw something weird in the Conduct, the Citadel and the Catalyst chamber (or whatever).
If you look the metal supports around, theres and odd, yellow mark ( kinda ¬ M ¬, with the ¬ vertical). Are those things seen on the other levels of the citadel? Why yellow, it kinda looks Cerberus-made. Why put a brand inside a millenia old machine? It's not like the Reapers have any writings on their supports.
I just find that odd, and wondered what you guys thought about it.

[Darth Taurus]

What I felt:

www.youtube.com/watch

[revaew]

Aztlanna wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

If you think EA would ever say to themselves 
"Oh, we only alienated 30% of our players. Big deal"
You really don't understand business.

Actually, as I understand it, there is some argument about copies sold vs copies shipped. The outcry is affecting sales. People are returning their games or choosing not to buy because of what they've heard / seen about the endings. It's already impacting the bottom line. Look how much the price has dropped, new, in the first week. That's not the sign of a healthy game.

3 days after it came out, i went to game stop. they had about 10 copies mass effect 3. i could buy a basically new copy for 40 bucks. 38 if i used my power rewards card thing.

[Aedera]

So, after this debacle, I am "burned out" on video games and cancelled my Star Wars The Old Republic subscription. I was asked to take a survey today and told them that I cancelled due to the hurt I feel about these endings. Petty. Yes. Will it make a difference. Nope. But I feel a little better...not really. I am still super bummed out about how this played out.

[Darkwingduck]

Darkspazztic wrote...

Raged enough to come to the forums. Maybe I'm late to the party, but this was something I posted at a different site and I feel it very strongly about it:

It's like you've had this long, emotional friendship, and this guy/girl is your best friend. You've been through thick and thin, and you feel you had a hand in shaping their personality. They've got their bad parts, but through the long haul it's been good and you think you've got it made and have everything figured out.

Then they die...or move somewhere that you'll probably never be able to contact and meet them again...and this all happens so suddenly that you have no chance to say goodbye. A part of you is ripped out. You've not just lost a friend, you've lost part of yourself.

That is the feeling I got as the end credits rolled. I mean, I'm still pissed as **** about it. Worried about it all day at work, and it's a goddamn video game. I'll never get to spend the rest of my (Shepard) life with Liara. Never gonna know how the Krogans react to being free of the genophage. Never going to see how Garrus and Tali make it work. Never going to give the eulogy at Anderson's funeral. None of that. I've lost a friend. That friend being the world of Mass Effect. Suddenly, emotionally, and violently.

On the one hand, Bioware has transcended the normal experience. They've made us care about the world. We've not just gone with it, we've shaped it along the way. We've made tough decisions that we figured would have a lasting and massive effect (yuk yuk yuk). They've made us care about the characters we've helped shape and taken along with us for the ride. They've made us care about the character we control, even though he/she has little to no history and lore outside of what we pick in the first game. Taking that away so suddenly has shown us just how deep our feelings for it go, and left an emotional void that no game I have ever played has left. Not a single one. That is a great achievement, and though there will undoubtedly be more trilogies and games like Mass Effect, I don't think any of them will ever touch people (like me) so deeply.

On the other hand, they royally...royally ****ed up the experience with the ending. I would pay for an actual ending. I would pay above and beyond the game's price for an actual ending. I'll freely and willingly give Bioware more money for a real ending. I don't care if it was spoiled and ruined by a leak. Give me that ****ing ending. Let me choose a Paragon, Neutral, and/or Renegade path that follows my character after he lives. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a scenario where Shepard dies. I just don't believe there should have been a "no chance of survival", Deus Ex: HR style ending.

Let me marry Liara. Let me have kids. Let me visit Wrex after he's united the Krogan. Or let me blow the **** out of everything and not give a damn. Give me something. Give me something personal, like you've done at every point up until this. Not this ****.

This. very much this. 

[Eirileth]

Annaleah wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Taeran88 wrote...

I absolutely loved the game...until the ending. It's not the worst ending in the history of gaming, but it's not enough for this series. I mean we're talking about Mass effin Effect here, one of the best RPG series in gaming, and all I get is 3 endings that left me unsatisfied. I'm not terribly disappointed but I am not satisfied.

The game was a 9.5 to 10/10 until the last minutes where it went to 7 for me. I really am a Bioware fanboy, but this will make me doubt how good these guys are with their games, and how commited they are to their fanbase if we don't get a decent ending.

I busted my ass to get 6700+ assets and 100% Galactic Readiness, and I want a "best possible ending".

Don't blame BioWare. They feel horrible about all of this, judging by Chris Priestly's tweet last night. EA strong armed them into this. EA is notorious for doing that to good game companies that end up working with them.

I'm willing to bet that Bioware actually had some good endings written out then EA read them and said... NAH! Everyone liked that Deus Ex game that came out last summer... LETS END IT LIKE THAT!

Of course there were protests but then EA reminded Bioware where their paychecks and health insurance came from and the rest is history...

Actually, there has been proof of stuff that was removed from the game at the last minute. A large chunk of the conversation between Shepard and Anderson at the end was removed. And I listened to both the ManShep and FemShep versions... Both are touching. The FemShep version drives me to tears. I cried my eyes out. The stuff is still on the discs. Just not accessible in the game itself.

[nilcox]

Alright children, I will now take some time to explain some basic facts about polling and PR and general business.

First I would like to tell you all to LAY off the EA bashing, they have nothing to do with mass effect 3 other then publishing it and financing it, what a company does when seeking investment is ask for the money and present a prototype and a budget.

They then either get the money or they dont, they also get so called milestones to hit, meaning say a working alpha after 4 months of development, what EA or any other publisher wont do is demand a game be finished at a specific time. And after they fork over the money they got virtually no saying in how the development goes, look at duke nukem which was in production for 10+ years. So lay of the EA bashing and focus on bioware.

Secondly to all the poll debating about we being a vocal minority.

In PR, politics, what have you, there is no such thing as a silent MAJORITY. thats it, there is no such thing as a silent majority, the people voicing concerns are to be considered just that, when dealing with stuff such as that you focus on the problem, and not that there might be 85% people who enjoyed it or what ever. We are not a vocal minority because there is no such thing as a silent majority.

[The Big Palooka]

3rd-apex wrote...

stupid question... when has Bioware ever given us control over the ending? In ME1, Saren (either by you killing him, or by him killing himself) died, Sovereign Died, and you decide the fate of the current council. All three things happen in any ME1 game. All the endings are virtually the same. It's just a matter of how paragon or renegade you want to go with it.

In ME2, you have to destroy the Collector base, or keep it. The only difference between each end-game play through is how many people live to tell about it. How is that a different ending at all? Really.

In ME3 we get to decide between 3 different options. If we have a high enough EMS we get to see a clip of shepherd taking in a breath of air, showing that he lived. Once again... not a whole lot of choice. So, why complain about something we were never given, and never promised? Everything you do prior to the endings. DOES matter because your decisions RADICALLY effect your EMS. It just doesn't matter in the context of the ending, because Bioware can't make 16 totally different endings dependent on the hundreds of choices you can make in the game.

I am happy that I got 3 options instead of 2, and more meaningful variables of who lives and dies on earth and, to a degree, throughout the galaxy, versus who lives and who dies on my ship.

Not to contradict the whole movement, but just between you and me, I think when people say 'choice', most of us are sort of trying to sound tough about the fact that the choice we're really talking about is the one to have a happy/good/heroic/not entirely kick-the-dog sort of ending, if we wanted to, and if we tried hard enough.

Which, personally, I think is totally valid.

[Agarcn]

i personally think that in the destroy reapers part that he is waking up from a indoctrination based dream.

[Annaleah]

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

"When speaking with msnbc.com last week,
Mac Walters, the lead writer of "Mass Effect 3," promised that the game
would offer a definitive conclusion to Commander Shepard's trials and
tribulations. While that's exactly the case, it's not the conclusion
that many people were hoping for. Some have even gone so far as to
launch an online campaign to change the ending."

Wha... what? What makes anyone think that is true?

[Kitten Tactics]

Annaleah wrote...

Of course there were protests but then EA reminded Bioware where their paychecks and health insurance came from and the rest is history...

"One thing we commonly see is when fans don't like something we do, they put in the comments, 'Oh those EA guys, they're making BioWare do...'  And I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare - we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," Greg Zeschuk told us.

"We're not being forced to do anything or told to do anything. We make the decisions. We take input.

"It's just funny when people say that, because it's not actually remotely true."

"At the end of the day, we're responsible for the quality of the content and games we release, and we're committed to try and always take  feedback really seriously from our fans and be humble about how we take  it - use it to make the next games better," Ray Muzyka added.

Modifié par Kitten Tactics, 13 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[Meteor_VII]

With the new stories coming from this I think it speaks wrongly that we "demand" a better ending. Personally speaking I am not demanding anything I just didn't enjoy the ending and it wasn't in line with the gaming experience from ME1 to ME3 and demand is such a strong word. Wish they and us weren't using it. Especially because it makes us looking like entitled whiners.

[Darkwingduck]

nilcox wrote...

Alright children, I will now take some time to explain some basic facts about polling and PR and general business.

First I would like to tell you all to LAY off the EA bashing, they have nothing to do with mass effect 3 other then publishing it and financing it, what a company does when seeking investment is ask for the money and present a prototype and a budget.

They then either get the money or they dont, they also get so called milestones to hit, meaning say a working alpha after 4 months of development, what EA or any other publisher wont do is demand a game be finished at a specific time. And after they fork over the money they got virtually no saying in how the development goes, look at duke nukem which was in production for 10+ years. So lay of the EA bashing and focus on bioware.

Secondly to all the poll debating about we being a vocal minority.

In PR, politics, what have you, there is no such thing as a silent MAJORITY. thats it, there is no such thing as a silent majority, the people voicing concerns are to be considered just that, when dealing with stuff such as that you focus on the problem, and not that there might be 85% people who enjoyed it or what ever. We are not a vocal minority because there is no such thing as a silent majority.

As a general set of rules when you want people to listen to you referring to them (especially when many of them are adults) as "children" and talking down to them doesn't necessarily work well. Just sayin' 

[ColloquialAnachron]

Two things. First: I'm pretty sure I was just the 16000th Like for the Demand a Better Ending to Mass Effect 3 Facebook group.

Second: And most importantly. To everyone lurking and reading right now, You might be currently experiencing intense trepidation and disappointment, feeling like what you'd say has already been said. Don't worry about that. Vent here. The more you vent, the better you'll feel, and the more evidence there will be for Bioware to take a long hard look at.

Modifié par Harthouse, 13 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[Jackal7713]

Annaleah wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

"When speaking with msnbc.com last week,
Mac Walters, the lead writer of "Mass Effect 3," promised that the game
would offer a definitive conclusion to Commander Shepard's trials and
tribulations. While that's exactly the case, it's not the conclusion
that many people were hoping for. Some have even gone so far as to
launch an online campaign to change the ending."

Wha... what? What makes anyone think that is true?

Maybe a Facebook page, some polls, a world wide group of people saying " Take Back ME ".

[J5550123]

nilcox wrote...

Alright children, I will now take some time to explain some basic facts about polling and PR and general business.

First I would like to tell you all to LAY off the EA bashing, they have nothing to do with mass effect 3 other then publishing it and financing it, what a company does when seeking investment is ask for the money and present a prototype and a budget.

They then either get the money or they dont, they also get so called milestones to hit, meaning say a working alpha after 4 months of development, what EA or any other publisher wont do is demand a game be finished at a specific time. And after they fork over the money they got virtually no saying in how the development goes, look at duke nukem which was in production for 10+ years. So lay of the EA bashing and focus on bioware.

Secondly to all the poll debating about we being a vocal minority.

In PR, politics, what have you, there is no such thing as a silent MAJORITY. thats it, there is no such thing as a silent majority, the people voicing concerns are to be considered just that, when dealing with stuff such as that you focus on the problem, and not that there might be 85% people who enjoyed it or what ever. We are not a vocal minority because there is no such thing as a silent majority.

Got to the word children and then moved on.

[KaiserinKai]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Makes NO sense. My LI was Garrus. That pretty much sums up how crazy that is...

So Garrus somehow had my Fem Shep's kid. Must be SPACE Magic

The synthesis option would potentially open that up. If many different species could be turned into the same types of Reapers, then pseudo-synthetic beings may be able to cross-breed. Then again, this does not solve the other paradoxical issues preceeding the synthesis option.

And my LI was Tali, so it's in the same ballpark. Although Quarians are supposed to be evolutionary near-parallels to humans, it's still a long shot with SPACE MAGIC. If my Shepard could stay with her though, I'm sure there's no harm in trying...

Problem is, I chose the Destroy ending, aka ending Red. I still got the Stargazer bit.

[LethesDeep]

Annaleah wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

"When speaking with msnbc.com last week,
Mac Walters, the lead writer of "Mass Effect 3," promised that the game
would offer a definitive conclusion to Commander Shepard's trials and
tribulations. While that's exactly the case, it's not the conclusion
that many people were hoping for. Some have even gone so far as to
launch an online campaign to change the ending."

Wha... what? What makes anyone think that is true?

They said a lot of things about ME3 that ended up being total lies. I don't have the URL available to me at the moment, but somewhere there was an interview with a BioWare writer were he said they weren't gonna use a super-weapon to beat the Reapers... Actually, their whole marketing of the game was built off lies, if you think about it.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 13 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[Annaleah]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

Of course there were protests but then EA reminded Bioware where their paychecks and health insurance came from and the rest is history...

"One thing we commonly see is when fans don't like something we do, they put in the comments, 'Oh those EA guys, they're making BioWare do...'  And I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare - we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," Greg Zeschuk told us.

"We're not being forced to do anything or told to do anything. We make the decisions. We take input.

"It's just funny when people say that, because it's not actually remotely true."

"At the end of the day, we're responsible for the quality of the content and games we release, and we're committed to try and always take  feedback really seriously from our fans and be humble about how we take  it - use it to make the next games better," Ray Muzyka added.

Kay thanks. I get it. I'm an ****. Burn me at the stake.

[Timerider42]

How was the symbiosis ending supposed to work? To me it sounded like everything was going to be killed off to make room for some new lifeforms. I mean, how was it supposed to make everyone part synthetic while leaving them who they are?

[panamakira]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

Good youtube video about ME3 ending, SourceFed:

Edit: till Phil showed up that is

Yeah they all have valid points and I'm glad the other hosts do put the fans perspective out there to be less than a bunch of people that whine too much with nothing better to do.

They all have good points, even Phil, but I'm glad a lot of people outside the fandom are paying attention as to why we have been upset. Probably Bioware won't really care but wouldn't it make such an amazing difference if they at least addressed the issue? I don't know. We'll see in the upcoming weeks.

[Eljacko558]

Why couldn't of they used this!
I think I choose this ending in my mind now
http://4thofeleven.l...com/155948.html

[soske aizen]

why does the media think beter means happy is the context of what where saying really that hard to grasp

[christrek1982]

Aedera wrote...

So, after this debacle, I am "burned out" on video games and cancelled my Star Wars The Old Republic subscription. I was asked to take a survey today and told them that I cancelled due to the hurt I feel about these endings. Petty. Yes. Will it make a difference. Nope. But I feel a little better...not really. I am still super bummed out about how this played out.

good on you it will make a diffrance if enough people do it