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[Kyzee]

Darkspazztic wrote...

Raged enough to come to the forums. Maybe I'm late to the party, but this was something I posted at a different site and I feel it very strongly about it:

It's like you've had this long, emotional friendship, and this guy/girl is your best friend. You've been through thick and thin, and you feel you had a hand in shaping their personality. They've got their bad parts, but through the long haul it's been good and you think you've got it made and have everything figured out.

Then they die...or move somewhere that you'll probably never be able to contact and meet them again...and this all happens so suddenly that you have no chance to say goodbye. A part of you is ripped out. You've not just lost a friend, you've lost part of yourself.

That is the feeling I got as the end credits rolled. I mean, I'm still pissed as **** about it. Worried about it all day at work, and it's a goddamn video game. I'll never get to spend the rest of my (Shepard) life with Liara. Never gonna know how the Krogans react to being free of the genophage. Never going to see how Garrus and Tali make it work. Never going to give the eulogy at Anderson's funeral. None of that. I've lost a friend. That friend being the world of Mass Effect. Suddenly, emotionally, and violently.

On the one hand, Bioware has transcended the normal experience. They've made us care about the world. We've not just gone with it, we've shaped it along the way. We've made tough decisions that we figured would have a lasting and massive effect (yuk yuk yuk). They've made us care about the characters we've helped shape and taken along with us for the ride. They've made us care about the character we control, even though he/she has little to no history and lore outside of what we pick in the first game. Taking that away so suddenly has shown us just how deep our feelings for it go, and left an emotional void that no game I have ever played has left. Not a single one. That is a great achievement, and though there will undoubtedly be more trilogies and games like Mass Effect, I don't think any of them will ever touch people (like me) so deeply.

On the other hand, they royally...royally ****ed up the experience with the ending. I would pay for an actual ending. I would pay above and beyond the game's price for an actual ending. I'll freely and willingly give Bioware more money for a real ending. I don't care if it was spoiled and ruined by a leak. Give me that ****ing ending. Let me choose a Paragon, Neutral, and/or Renegade path that follows my character after he lives. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a scenario where Shepard dies. I just don't believe there should have been a "no chance of survival", Deus Ex: HR style ending.

Let me marry Liara. Let me have kids. Let me visit Wrex after he's united the Krogan. Or let me blow the **** out of everything and not give a damn. Give me something. Give me something personal, like you've done at every point up until this. Not this ****.
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Can't find the original post, but I had to applaud this. Sums up my feelings exactly.

[Zhijn]

Aedera wrote...

So, after this debacle, I am "burned out" on video games and cancelled my Star Wars The Old Republic subscription. I was asked to take a survey today and told them that I cancelled due to the hurt I feel about these endings. Petty. Yes. Will it make a difference. Nope. But I feel a little better...not really. I am still super bummed out about how this played out.

Heh funny. I did exactly the same 5 minutes ago.

Except i just wrote your not BioWare anymore, your EaWare. And if you ever discover your "Bio" again, ill sub again.

[zarnk567]

at least we got to see some pretty colors before we obliterated the universe.... that's what matters...... right?

[Aztlanna]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Problem is, I chose the Destroy ending, aka ending Red. I still got the Stargazer bit.

Ditto this. There's no way in hell my Shep would balk at her mission at the nth hour, even if it means she explodes. She came to destroy the Reapers, and that is what she'll do. It's too bad about the geth & EDI, whom she supported along the way, but there was no way she could condone non-con violation of every sentient being by forcibly rewriting their genetic code. That's abhorrent. And likewise, joining with what you hate & have spent three games vowing to destroy? NEVER. That's aside from the rather pressing question of, "How do you control anything when you're dead?" 

"Sure, grab these electrified levers. It will make you control all the Reapers, I swear." 

"Okay, magical translucent AI-god-child-thing! I believe you, no proof needed." (That's so Shep.) 

[monima]

LethesDeep wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Heeey, I wanted a happy ending. That's why I redid so many of the missions and completely scraped my Geth section so the Geth and Quarrians would be saved.

I want a happy ending; and damn it if I didn't work for it.<_<

I have to admit I want a happy ending, not all sunshine and roses offcourse, but some level of  a good ending.
For me mass effect was always about hope, not destruction and violence. The hope to win against all odds, and Shepard was the symbol of that hope.  Call me silly if you wish but real life is bleak enough.

Tell me about it. This is how I thought the "golden ending" was gonna play out:

Shepard destroys the Reapers from the Citadel (I read the leaked script, ok?) and barely makes it through the Conduit before it explodes. Shep is buried in rubble. We then see the LI and a squadmate looking through the rubble for Shepard. The LI finds him and signals the other squadmate. They clear the rubble off Shepard. Shepard doesn't move (we're supposed to think Shep's dead). The LI starts to break down while the other squadmate hangs their head in grief, then Shepard gasps and wakes up. The LI helps Shepard to their feet and they look out over the remains of the London battlefield. Ruins and corpses are everywhere, but there are groups of soldiers looking for wounded survivors and putting down the occasional husk. Shep and co. start moving toward the survivors (Shep's limping and is practically covered with blood) as the camera pans up into a sunrise. Fade to black.

I thought we'd get something like that if we worked extremely hard. It's bleak, shows that there were plenty of sacrifices, but also shows that hope and happiness endures (I feel like that's one of the major themes of this series). Maybe before that lil paragrapgh of fan-fic above we could be shown the fleets getting annihilated and have a few squadmates perform their own heroic sacrifices (this is my idea of a "golden ending", mind).

Thats sound much better if you ask me. To actually get someone  reaction from   our squadmates, now  we get nothing. And if the Normandy crashes it should have crashed on earth not some random planet.

[Kitten Tactics]

christrek1982 wrote...

Aedera wrote...

So, after this debacle, I am "burned out" on video games and cancelled my Star Wars The Old Republic subscription. I was asked to take a survey today and told them that I cancelled due to the hurt I feel about these endings. Petty. Yes. Will it make a difference. Nope. But I feel a little better...not really. I am still super bummed out about how this played out.

good on you it will make a diffrance if enough people do it

Hell I listed ME3's ending as the reason when I unsubbed from WoW yesterday.  And I was telling the truth.  I haven't have a single desire to play ANYTHING since I beat ME3.  And hey who knows, maybe Blizzard's PR guy is Casey Hudson's best friends or something

[Computim]

Zhijn wrote...

Aedera wrote...

So, after this debacle, I am "burned out" on video games and cancelled my Star Wars The Old Republic subscription. I was asked to take a survey today and told them that I cancelled due to the hurt I feel about these endings. Petty. Yes. Will it make a difference. Nope. But I feel a little better...not really. I am still super bummed out about how this played out.

Heh funny. I did exactly the same 5 minutes ago.

Except i just wrote your not BioWare anymore, your EaWare. And if you ever discover your "Bio" again, ill sub again.

There's gonna be some intra-office hate going on... I almost find it funny cept it's pretty serious.  I can just imagine if one department at my work did something that ticked off the customers in my other department so much they stopped buying my department's product... I'm pretty sure said other department would be sitting in the boardroom having the department heads chewing them a new one.... and with good reason.

[Dj14365]

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

I just read the article and have a sneaking suspicion that the writer didn't do his homework nor did he play the game. He did say in an indirect way that the game had to end in the way it did.

[Matt_gekko88]

Not gonna shave my itchy-beardy-face until BW reacted to us. Ha!

Dj14365 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

I
just read the article and have a sneaking suspicion that the writer
didn't do his homework nor did he play the game. He did say in an
indirect way that the game had to end in the way it did.

Well, that's pretty modern journalism-style.

Modifié par Matt_gekko88, 13 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[KaiserinKai]

Aztlanna wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Problem is, I chose the Destroy ending, aka ending Red. I still got the Stargazer bit.

Ditto this. There's no way in hell my Shep would balk at her mission at the nth hour, even if it means she explodes. She came to destroy the Reapers, and that is what she'll do. It's too bad about the geth & EDI, whom she supported along the way, but there was no way she could condone non-con violation of every sentient being by forcibly rewriting their genetic code. That's abhorrent. And likewise, joining with what you hate & have spent three games vowing to destroy? NEVER. That's aside from the rather pressing question of, "How do you control anything when you're dead?" 

"Sure, grab these electrified levers. It will make you control all the Reapers, I swear." 

"Okay, magical translucent AI-god-child-thing! I believe you, no proof needed." (That's so Shep.) 

Same here. I came to destroy the Reapers and that's what I'm going to do. I felt REALLY bad about the Geth and EDI though...

[Jackal7713]

LethesDeep wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

"When speaking with msnbc.com last week,
Mac Walters, the lead writer of "Mass Effect 3," promised that the game
would offer a definitive conclusion to Commander Shepard's trials and
tribulations. While that's exactly the case, it's not the conclusion
that many people were hoping for. Some have even gone so far as to
launch an online campaign to change the ending."

Wha... what? What makes anyone think that is true?

They said a lot of things about ME3 that ended up being total lies. I don't have the URL available to me at the moment, but somewhere there was an interview with a BioWare writer were he said they weren't gonna use a super-weapon to beat the Reapers... Actually, their whole marketing of the game was built off lies, if you think about it.

The interviews before launch are really misleading. Lying to your customers is never a good thing.

[LethesDeep]

Timerider42 wrote...

How was the symbiosis ending supposed to work? To me it sounded like everything was going to be killed off to make room for some new lifeforms. I mean, how was it supposed to make everyone part synthetic while leaving them who they are?

 Typical ME space magic . It creates new DNA then uses a pulse of energy that rewrites all organic DNA and changes synthetics so they have to have DNA too.

Really this kind of ending is totally feasible in the ME universe and doesn't break the player's suspension of disbelief at all. I mean, none of the tech is actually explained, it's not like BioWare wrote and narrated an in-game encyclopedia to explain everything in an internally logical- oh, wait.

[karambiatos]

nilcox wrote...

Alright children, I will now take some time to explain some basic facts about polling and PR and general business.

First I would like to tell you all to LAY off the EA bashing, they have nothing to do with mass effect 3 other then publishing it and financing it, what a company does when seeking investment is ask for the money and present a prototype and a budget.

histroy says other wise
look at what they did to westwood studios after aquiring them, completely ruins C&C
look at what they have done to DICE completely aquring them after BF2142
free to play BFs, BC2, BF3 (though BF3 is a bit better than the rest, its no BF2).
Need for speed is basically a wreck now
look at crytek crysis2 is nothing compared to crysis1

do i need to continue here?

also id like you to show from where do you get the whole EA doesnt mess with the development process, since history shows us that is not the case just by the amount of great studios they have ruined over the years.

also you seem to want us to respect EA, what has EA done to earn respect?
oh they have invested in games, yeah so could anyother company if there wasnt an EA

granted we shouldnt we bashing them so much, but they arent exactly innocent (they arent innocent at all)

[TamiBx]

soske aizen wrote...

why does the media think beter means happy is the context of what where saying really that hard to grasp

If there is one thing I have learned in the past year is that the media will distort anything you say, and draw conclusions from things you didn't mean. Also, they won't try to show any of your good sides; they like controversial stories, judging people and making a big fuss out of everything. So...it's not that they don't get our point; they don't want to. 

(learned this the hardest way; I go to a college that got quiet controversial at the end of last year...if you live in the US, you might know what I'm talking about)

[SoulReaver49]

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

[PhoenixDove1]

Alamandorious wrote...

3rd-apex wrote...

stupid question... when has Bioware ever given us control over the ending? In ME1, Saren (either by you killing him, or by him killing himself) died, Sovereign Died, and you decide the fate of the current council. All three things happen in any ME1 game. All the endings are virtually the same. It's just a matter of how paragon or renegade you want to go with it.

In ME2, you have to destroy the Collector base, or keep it. The only difference between each end-game play through is how many people live to tell about it. How is that a different ending at all? Really.

In ME3 we get to decide between 3 different options. If we have a high enough EMS we get to see a clip of shepherd taking in a breath of air, showing that he lived. Once again... not a whole lot of choice. So, why complain about something we were never given, and never promised? Everything you do prior to the endings. DOES matter because your decisions RADICALLY effect your EMS. It just doesn't matter in the context of the ending, because Bioware can't make 16 totally different endings dependent on the hundreds of choices you can make in the game.

I am happy that I got 3 options instead of 2, and more meaningful variables of who lives and dies on earth and, to a degree, throughout the galaxy, versus who lives and who dies on my ship.

The deciding factor was we had to work to get everyone to survive.  Potentially, there was an ending where no-one survived except Joker, but you -really- had to work at it to get it lol.  It exists ^^

The other part to that is even your ship upgrades helped or hindered you in the end.  Also the way you beat it was different depending on which characters survived or not.  Granted the train tracks are laid and in these games and we're just choosing which ones to take, but we are choosing and in the end of ME 2 we felt that our decisions mattered and in fact you could play the game several different ways and would see different endings, different dialogs and get a completely different feeling from it, specially if you imported.  That's what is missing in ME 3 endings, among other things.  It's a lot of little things that added to one big severing of a limb without anesthestic.

[panamakira]

Eirileth wrote...

Don't blame BioWare. They feel horrible about all of this, judging by Chris Priestly's tweet last night. EA strong armed them into this. EA is notorious for doing that to good game companies that end up working with them.

What did Chris tweet?

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Timerider42 wrote...

How was the symbiosis ending supposed to work? To me it sounded like everything was going to be killed off to make room for some new lifeforms. I mean, how was it supposed to make everyone part synthetic while leaving them who they are?

Space Magic.  Green space Magic.

[Timerider42]

I figured the mandatory not-so-happy part was going to be the millions of people that died and the hundreds of cities that were destroyed. Not that plus the relays exploding, technology being set back, and thousands of ships stranded.

[Xion66]

What makes me sad, is that the few tidbits of info we got from the developer' side has been of sadness and feeling offended at us trying to take their baby from them.

I wish they could see, that we are here not because we hate bioware or the team that made ME3, we are here because we love the work and the universe they built, we value these games as much or more than our favourite books, movies. If anyone doubts that gaming could be art, this rally around ME3 shows that videogames can light up the biggest of passions.

We are not here because we hate ME, we are here ebcause we believe Bioware can listen to our points of view and see the truth in our words, we are here because we trust them, and we are here because we love Mass Effect.

So Bioware please, don't look in anger, but in humbleness and reach out for the fans who until the very end believed you would and still will do right by them.

[J5550123]

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

Not many people will be buying that if its real.

[Aztlanna]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Same here. I came to destroy the Reapers and that's what I'm going to do. I felt REALLY bad about the Geth and EDI though...

Me too. I was SO HAPPY when I paragon'd my way to peace between the geth & the quarians, when they finally took back their home world. I felt like all my work and all Tali's struggles had finally paid off. I was thrilled when I got the update that the geth were helping rebuild, helping the quarians adapt to life on Rannoch.

Then, in the endgame, they tell me this harmony is impossible. I was like, did you even read your own script, finale writers?! 

[TamiBx]

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

I knew it. If this is real, I totally saw this coming. I mean, who the **** cares about mp dlc right now? I sure don't. Actually, I plan on never touching mp (the beauty of playing ME on Xbox and having to pay extra)

[THX-1136]

I've been following the thread for the past 4 days; figured I'd throw in my 2-cents:

Honestly, after giving the ending a couple days to gestate
in my mind, I prefer it to the whole “indoctrination theory”. While being just
barely alive [with a perfect ending] and then the crew off on some random
planet is a pretty unsatisfying ending, I don’t see how indoctrination is any
better—to me it’s even less of an ending. So where are we then if Shepard’s
indoctrinated? The reapers are still fighting the allies on Earth = no actual
conclusion to the war, even less of a conclusion to the story? Idk…

But I can also appreciate the self-sacrifice endings and
found them really beautifully done, especially with Clint Mansell’s score to
back it up. Actually, I will go so far as to say I rather liked the ending up
until the very end with the relays’ destruction, the Normandy’s crash landing,
and—especially—the grandfather “story-time” thing.

With that said, I certainly would’ve loved for there to be a
more positive ending included, and I found the needless destruction of the
galactic civilization, the random-a** planet the crew lands on, and the plot
holes to be really frustrating. For me, I would’ve ended it with the Illusive
Man confrontation and then the crucible goes off, letting Shepard be saved by
the Normandy. Again: just my thoughts on the matter; still fully supporting this campaign.

Regardless, I bought my Xbox360 because of Mass Effect.. 100%
of the reason; saw the very first demo video of game mechanics and then waited
until the game came out to get the system. I can, and will, say that even with
the endings I am beyond happy and grateful to have been able to experience this
universe. I feel that a great deal of my frustration may be because the ending
was so bittersweet only in that it means the end of Shepard’s story in Mass
Effect. That’s the hardest thing to let go of: something that I have cared so
much about for the past 5 years can’t continue anymore (save for maybe some DLC).

[And on that note…]

Besides, if this posting by a "minor Bioware employee" turns out to be true, then the
ending can be saved… Here’s hoping

 

Modifié par THX-1136, 13 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[zarnk567]

this is not a bitter sweet ending to a game..... this is just a kick in the nuts, mixed with SPACE MAGIC.