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#21726
Alamandorious

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Zhijn wrote...

Aedera wrote...

So, after this debacle, I am "burned out" on video games and cancelled my Star Wars The Old Republic subscription. I was asked to take a survey today and told them that I cancelled due to the hurt I feel about these endings. Petty. Yes. Will it make a difference. Nope. But I feel a little better...not really. I am still super bummed out about how this played out.


Heh funny. I did exactly the same 5 minutes ago.

Except i just wrote your not BioWare anymore, your EaWare. And if you ever discover your "Bio" again, ill sub again.


Cancelled my subscription the day after I beat ME3.  I told them in the reasons and the survey they sent that I would re-enable the subscription once the ME3 ending was fixed.

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Alright children, I will now take some time to explain some basic facts about polling and PR and general business.

First I would like to tell you all to LAY off the EA bashing, they have nothing to do with mass effect 3 other then publishing it and financing it, what a company does when seeking investment is ask for the money and present a prototype and a budget.

histroy says other wise
look at what they did to westwood studios after aquiring them, completely ruins C&C
look at what they have done to DICE completely aquring them after BF2142
free to play BFs, BC2, BF3 (though BF3 is a bit better than the rest, its no BF2).
Need for speed is basically a wreck now
look at crytek crysis2 is nothing compared to crysis1

do i need to continue here?

also id like you to show from where do you get the whole EA doesnt mess with the development process, since history shows us that is not the case just by the amount of great studios they have ruined over the years.

also you seem to want us to respect EA, what has EA done to earn respect?
oh they have invested in games, yeah so could anyother company if there wasnt an EA

granted we shouldnt we bashing them so much, but they arent exactly innocent (they arent innocent at all)


Sorry to break it to you but noone of those games became worse because EA forced there hand, the general quality of gaming has been droping over the past decade as a rule. And I dont support EA and I dont think they deserve any respect at all from us the fans but all im saying is we need to lay the blame where the blame belongs. Bashing EA because everyone else does it just makes us all look stupid.

Bioware ruined the ending, not EA.

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Dj14365 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

I just read the article and have a sneaking suspicion that the writer didn't do his homework nor did he play the game. He did say in an indirect way that the game had to end in the way it did.


Wow. Kathy Bates comparison? Really? Nice, there.

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KaiserinKai wrote...

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Problem is, I chose the Destroy ending, aka ending Red. I still got the Stargazer bit.


Ditto this. There's no way in hell my Shep would balk at her mission at the nth hour, even if it means she explodes. She came to destroy the Reapers, and that is what she'll do. It's too bad about the geth & EDI, whom she supported along the way, but there was no way she could condone non-con violation of every sentient being by forcibly rewriting their genetic code. That's abhorrent. And likewise, joining with what you hate & have spent three games vowing to destroy? NEVER. That's aside from the rather pressing question of, "How do you control anything when you're dead?" 

"Sure, grab these electrified levers. It will make you control all the Reapers, I swear." 

"Okay, magical translucent AI-god-child-thing! I believe you, no proof needed." (That's so Shep.) 

Same here. I came to destroy the Reapers and that's what I'm going to do. I felt REALLY bad about the Geth and EDI though...


Just more proof that our choices didn't matter :(  and sad for Joker, I helped him and EDI get together.

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panamakira wrote...

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Don't blame BioWare. They feel horrible about all of this, judging by Chris Priestly's tweet last night. EA strong armed them into this. EA is notorious for doing that to good game companies that end up working with them.


What did Chris tweet?


That his fingers hurt, his heart was sick and his soul was hurting. And that he had a headache.

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I think the choices in the ending are fine. It is the end cinematic I have problems with, its to short. And give's no closure. I brought the Quarians their homeworld, the Krogan their cure. I would very much like to see how they are doing after the reapers are gone. How the earth is rebuild. And most of all how is my crew doing. And if it turns out everything is lost the I would like to see so. I don't want to be left in the dark like it is now.

It is something like if The Lord of the Rings would end with Frodo and Sam walking in Mount Doom. Leaving you to figure out the 'real' end.

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http://twitter.com/#...791363255611392

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[quote]TamiBx wrote...

[quote]SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html[/quote]



If this is real...........................really Bioware..............<_<

#21734
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Dj14365 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

I just read the article and have a sneaking suspicion that the writer didn't do his homework nor did he play the game. He did say in an indirect way that the game had to end in the way it did.

I think people will understand that the Fanbase is very upset. The main thing is that Bopware/ EA don't look good with this kind of article coming out, via national media. This isn't a gamers only blog or website. This is a national news website. If MSNBC interviews some of us fans that are upset with the endings and airs that, then thats a real mess for Bioware/EA.

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TamiBx wrote...

soske aizen wrote...

why does the media think beter means happy is the context of what where saying really that hard to grasp


If there is one thing I have learned in the past year is that the media will distort anything you say, and draw conclusions from things you didn't mean. Also, they won't try to show any of your good sides; they like controversial stories, judging people and making a big fuss out of everything. So...it's not that they don't get our point; they don't want to. 

(learned this the hardest way; I go to a college that got quiet controversial at the end of last year...if you live in the US, you might know what I'm talking about)

penn state?

#21736
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J5550123 wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html


Not many people will be buying that if its real.


I think i've got a concussion as a result of how hard i've just facepalmed.

#21737
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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

Nathos wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

Hey if we can have space magic, we can have unicorns and rainbows as well..


Reminds me of this.


It was the Protheans!!!


I thought it was translator microbes that were injected into a person's foot at birth


Nah, Babelfish.


T.A.R.D.I.S. enough said :P

#21738
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Kyzee wrote...

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Raged enough to come to the forums. Maybe I'm late to the party, but this was something I posted at a different site and I feel it very strongly about it:

It's like you've had this long, emotional friendship, and this guy/girl is your best friend. You've been through thick and thin, and you feel you had a hand in shaping their personality. They've got their bad parts, but through the long haul it's been good and you think you've got it made and have everything figured out.

Then they die...or move somewhere that you'll probably never be able to contact and meet them again...and this all happens so suddenly that you have no chance to say goodbye. A part of you is ripped out. You've not just lost a friend, you've lost part of yourself.

That is the feeling I got as the end credits rolled. I mean, I'm still pissed as **** about it. Worried about it all day at work, and it's a goddamn video game. I'll never get to spend the rest of my (Shepard) life with Liara. Never gonna know how the Krogans react to being free of the genophage. Never going to see how Garrus and Tali make it work. Never going to give the eulogy at Anderson's funeral. None of that. I've lost a friend. That friend being the world of Mass Effect. Suddenly, emotionally, and violently.

On the one hand, Bioware has transcended the normal experience. They've made us care about the world. We've not just gone with it, we've shaped it along the way. We've made tough decisions that we figured would have a lasting and massive effect (yuk yuk yuk). They've made us care about the characters we've helped shape and taken along with us for the ride. They've made us care about the character we control, even though he/she has little to no history and lore outside of what we pick in the first game. Taking that away so suddenly has shown us just how deep our feelings for it go, and left an emotional void that no game I have ever played has left. Not a single one. That is a great achievement, and though there will undoubtedly be more trilogies and games like Mass Effect, I don't think any of them will ever touch people (like me) so deeply.

On the other hand, they royally...royally ****ed up the experience with the ending. I would pay for an actual ending. I would pay above and beyond the game's price for an actual ending. I'll freely and willingly give Bioware more money for a real ending. I don't care if it was spoiled and ruined by a leak. Give me that ****ing ending. Let me choose a Paragon, Neutral, and/or Renegade path that follows my character after he lives. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a scenario where Shepard dies. I just don't believe there should have been a "no chance of survival", Deus Ex: HR style ending.

Let me marry Liara. Let me have kids. Let me visit Wrex after he's united the Krogan. Or let me blow the **** out of everything and not give a damn. Give me something. Give me something personal, like you've done at every point up until this. Not this ****.
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Can't find the original post, but I had to applaud this. Sums up my feelings exactly.





Finger on the wound. Give us at least one option where Shep & Squad have a future. even if I won't pick it in the end, I'd lke to know the option is there.



ps: bit weird, said love interest exits the normandy when in squad during final mish. beam me up?

#21739
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Bioware really needs to start reacting to what's going on because the bad PR is getting out of hand. Take a look at http://www.amazon.co...0/dp/B004FYEZMQ the price is already dropping and not just on people trying to get rid of it used but new as well. Not to mention it has a lot of pretty damaging reviews. I almost feel bad because the game is amazing save for the last little bit.

#21740
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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...791363255611392


Am I supposed to feel bad for Chris? Thats exactly hot the rest of the BSN feels.....:blush:

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SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html


Lol~ Good on them. I'd like to see the millions of dollars they make off their fans by upsetting some of them.

#21742
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THX-1136 wrote...

I've been following the thread for the past 4 days; figured I'd throw in my 2-cents:

Honestly, after giving the ending a couple days to gestate
in my mind, I prefer it to the whole “indoctrination theory”. While being just
barely alive [with a perfect ending] and then the crew off on some random
planet is a pretty unsatisfying ending, I don’t see how indoctrination is any
better—to me it’s even less of an ending. So where are we then if Shepard’s
indoctrinated? The reapers are still fighting the allies on Earth = no actual
conclusion to the war, even less of a conclusion to the story? Idk…

But I can also appreciate the self-sacrifice endings and
found them really beautifully done, especially with Clint Mansell’s score to
back it up. Actually, I will go so far as to say I rather liked the ending up
until the very end with the relays’ destruction, the Normandy’s crash landing,
and—especially—the grandfather “story-time” thing.

With that said, I certainly would’ve loved for there to be a
more positive ending included, and I found the needless destruction of the
galactic civilization, the random-a** planet the crew lands on, and the plot
holes to be really frustrating. For me, I would’ve ended it with the Illusive
Man confrontation and then the crucible goes off, letting Shepard be saved by
the Normandy. Again: just my thoughts on the matter; still fully supporting this campaign.

Regardless, I bought my Xbox360 because of Mass Effect.. 100%
of the reason; saw the very first demo video of game mechanics and then waited
until the game came out to get the system. I can, and will, say that even with
the endings I am beyond happy and grateful to have been able to experience this
universe. I feel that a great deal of my frustration may be because the ending
was so bittersweet only in that it means the end of Shepard’s story in Mass
Effect. That’s the hardest thing to let go of: something that I have cared so
much about for the past 5 years can’t continue anymore (save for maybe some DLC).

[And on that note…]

Besides, if this posting by a "minor Bioware employee" turns out to be true, then the
ending can be saved… Here’s hoping ;)







Couldnt agree more. I am totally for the indoctrination theory, so that the destory choice was Shep beating the Reapers in multiple fields of battle.

#21743
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soske aizen wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

soske aizen wrote...

why does the media think beter means happy is the context of what where saying really that hard to grasp


If there is one thing I have learned in the past year is that the media will distort anything you say, and draw conclusions from things you didn't mean. Also, they won't try to show any of your good sides; they like controversial stories, judging people and making a big fuss out of everything. So...it's not that they don't get our point; they don't want to. 

(learned this the hardest way; I go to a college that got quiet controversial at the end of last year...if you live in the US, you might know what I'm talking about)

penn state?


;)  

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malakim2099 wrote...

mpgeist wrote...

There's one thing I don't get. This AI controlling the citadel is omniscient and the Reapers all-powerful and their goal is to protect organic life from synthetic. Why don't the reapers just destroy synthetics when they're created and tell organics they're next if they don't stop creating synthetics.


Better yet, why didn't the Catalyst AI just override your attempts to stop Sovereign in the first game?  :?

(I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere in the 864 previous pages, but this platform is not devoting significant run-time to filtering that data.)

You really should have had a Captain Kirk "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NO-WIN SCENARIO" option and thrown the Geth/Quarian peace in the Catalyst's virtual face. I was WAITING for that.


You said it. I too don't believe in no-win scenarios. I see only two things: win or lose. Those are your only options.

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TamiBx wrote...

soske aizen wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

soske aizen wrote...

why does the media think beter means happy is the context of what where saying really that hard to grasp


If there is one thing I have learned in the past year is that the media will distort anything you say, and draw conclusions from things you didn't mean. Also, they won't try to show any of your good sides; they like controversial stories, judging people and making a big fuss out of everything. So...it's not that they don't get our point; they don't want to. 

(learned this the hardest way; I go to a college that got quiet controversial at the end of last year...if you live in the US, you might know what I'm talking about)

penn state?


;)  


Grissom Academy... what were you thinking about? ;)

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TamiBx wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html


I knew it. If this is real, I totally saw this coming. I mean, who the **** cares about mp dlc right now? I sure don't. Actually, I plan on never touching mp (the beauty of playing ME on Xbox and having to pay extra)


Now imagine if they release a Mass Effect MMO in the future... It will completely ruin the ME experience.

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TamiBx wrote...

soske aizen wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

soske aizen wrote...

why does the media think beter means happy is the context of what where saying really that hard to grasp


If there is one thing I have learned in the past year is that the media will distort anything you say, and draw conclusions from things you didn't mean. Also, they won't try to show any of your good sides; they like controversial stories, judging people and making a big fuss out of everything. So...it's not that they don't get our point; they don't want to. 

(learned this the hardest way; I go to a college that got quiet controversial at the end of last year...if you live in the US, you might know what I'm talking about)

penn state?


;)  



nngh.... nasty business there...

Modifié par Annaleah, 13 mars 2012 - 12:33 .


#21748
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Guys, think: http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg

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Aztlanna wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Same here. I came to destroy the Reapers and that's what I'm going to do. I felt REALLY bad about the Geth and EDI though...



Me too. I was SO HAPPY when I paragon'd my way to peace between the geth & the quarians, when they finally took back their home world. I felt like all my work and all Tali's struggles had finally paid off. I was thrilled when I got the update that the geth were helping rebuild, helping the quarians adapt to life on Rannoch.

Then, in the endgame, they tell me this harmony is impossible. I was like, did you even read your own script, finale writers?! 


Same here, I was like "Look at the Quarians and the Geth, I already achieved peace between Synthetics and Organics you Bosh'tet!"

The AI god kids logic was made of Fail. "I created syntetics to kill organics every 50k years so that they aren't killed by synthetics!"

Wow Sovereign was right, their reason was beyond our ablility to understand.... BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE!

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TamiBx wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html


I knew it. If this is real, I totally saw this coming. I mean, who the **** cares about mp dlc right now? I sure don't. Actually, I plan on never touching mp (the beauty of playing ME on Xbox and having to pay extra)


Ya, I wanted Co-OP, where you play with say 2 friends (they play the squadmates). Something like L4D/2. If you don't want to play with friends, you don't have to. But multiplayer as it is...Players vs bots = boring.

But...c'mon, how many couples out there are avid ME fans and are (well were till they found out the ****astic ending) playing on two seperate computers in two seperate Game Worlds. How cool would it be to play together.