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[Ampmaster]

Aztlanna wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Same here. I came to destroy the Reapers and that's what I'm going to do. I felt REALLY bad about the Geth and EDI though...

Me too. I was SO HAPPY when I paragon'd my way to peace between the geth & the quarians, when they finally took back their home world. I felt like all my work and all Tali's struggles had finally paid off. I was thrilled when I got the update that the geth were helping rebuild, helping the quarians adapt to life on Rannoch.

Then, in the endgame, they tell me this harmony is impossible. I was like, did you even read your own script, finale writers?! 

Exactly! I know this sentiment has been echoed so many times before but why in the nine circles of hell can't we shove THOSE examples into the starchild's face? Show him co-existance is possible, end the cycle that way? Then punt his creepy little ass off the highest point in the citadel just to prove a point...

[LethesDeep]

Kyzee wrote...

Dj14365 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

MSNBC has now published a story about fans hating the endings.

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

I just read the article and have a sneaking suspicion that the writer didn't do his homework nor did he play the game. He did say in an indirect way that the game had to end in the way it did.

Wow. Kathy Bates comparison? Really? Nice, there.

Yeah, really. I didn't see that comparison flying around the internet during the Fallout 3 ending backlash. It's really just insulting.

[THX-1136]

zarnk567 wrote...

this is not a bitter sweet ending to a game..... this is just a kick in the nuts, mixed with SPACE MAGIC.

Not really what I was saying, and I agree with your point. But I meant that ME3 as a whole was bittersweet in that the rest of the game and the entire ME series was amazing, and now it's basically all over.

[Dorfgonewild81]

nilcox wrote...

Alright children, I will now take some time to explain some basic facts about polling and PR and general business.

First I would like to tell you all to LAY off the EA bashing, they have nothing to do with mass effect 3 other then publishing it and financing it, what a company does when seeking investment is ask for the money and present a prototype and a budget.

They then either get the money or they dont, they also get so called milestones to hit, meaning say a working alpha after 4 months of development, what EA or any other publisher wont do is demand a game be finished at a specific time. And after they fork over the money they got virtually no saying in how the development goes, look at duke nukem which was in production for 10+ years. So lay of the EA bashing and focus on bioware.

Secondly to all the poll debating about we being a vocal minority.

In PR, politics, what have you, there is no such thing as a silent MAJORITY. thats it, there is no such thing as a silent majority, the people voicing concerns are to be considered just that, when dealing with stuff such as that you focus on the problem, and not that there might be 85% people who enjoyed it or what ever. We are not a vocal minority because there is no such thing as a silent majority.

A little PR wisdom for you:  You never address a crowd in a demeaning manner; no matter what the cause.  Any PR person knows that.  Starting your "lesson" with that, diverts people away from your message and more towards resentment. 

Now as for EA not having anything to do with it, EA has a lot to do with it.  Developers have to routinely report in to the publisher, show where the product stands, its direction and give time tables and justifications to time/money.  With the Bioware docs on the board for EA, they are stuck in a postion of having to appease their bosses, almost no matter what.

As for the PR politics, you are very right here.  In this type of situation, the normally labelled "vocal minority" are considered the loudest in the room and you must find a way to quell them.  Thats why so much of this is garnering attention from media outlets.

/rantoff

Anyways, I think we are here for the same reason and lets keep this train rolling shall we?  

Hold The Line!

[Tiikay_]

Xion66 wrote...

What makes me sad, is that the few tidbits of info we got from the developer' side has been of sadness and feeling offended at us trying to take their baby from them.

I wish they could see, that we are here not because we hate bioware or the team that made ME3, we are here because we love the work and the universe they built, we value these games as much or more than our favourite books, movies. If anyone doubts that gaming could be art, this rally around ME3 shows that videogames can light up the biggest of passions.

We are not here because we hate ME, we are here because we believe Bioware can listen to our points of view and see the truth in our words, we are here because we trust them, and we are here because we love Mass Effect.

So Bioware please, don't look in anger, but in humbleness and reach out for the fans who until the very end believed you would and still will do right by them.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[KaiserinKai]

TamiBx wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

I knew it. If this is real, I totally saw this coming. I mean, who the **** cares about mp dlc right now? I sure don't. Actually, I plan on never touching mp (the beauty of playing ME on Xbox and having to pay extra)

Xbox player here too and yea, not paying for Gold just to play a multiplayer I have NO interest in just so I can raise a score that they said you could get without multiplayer but really can't.

[Aedera]

panamakira wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Don't blame BioWare. They feel horrible about all of this, judging by Chris Priestly's tweet last night. EA strong armed them into this. EA is notorious for doing that to good game companies that end up working with them.

What did Chris tweet?

I didn't find any tweet about EA (which, honestly, probably never happened unless he took it down) BUT I did see one that was rather interesting.  Someone asked about why there were two squadmates dead with you after the laser and what happened to them and he said I don't think we've revealed that yet.  

Yes almighty star child, I am hanging all my hopes on that "yet" at the end...

I have NO idea how to get links to a specific twitter conversation but here is this...

https://twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris 

Another thing he posted was about how his "heart hurt" from the BSN.  To be honest, for the most part, I think our conversations have been fair for the most part and not hurtful or fanboi raging but still can't be easy for the community managers.

[wook77]

TamiBx wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

So... I heard some possible leaks today. Firstly: The old man and the child at the end of the ending, after the credits, are apparently Joker and your Love Interest's child.

Joker and Kaidan: Forbidden Love, the new fanfic

No. Joker talking to the child that your Love Interest has after all of this happens. Which could be Shepard's child, depending on who you romanced and what gender you were.

Ahm...that's sexist. Why does BroShep gets to have a child and FemShep can't? That would make absolutely no sense. I mean, why would Joker care about telling Kaidan's son what happened to Shepard? It would take away the "telling the kid a story about their parent" feeling...because, well, the kid won't be FemShep's kid.

Also...Joker would have to get so old in such a short amount of time! 

The kid wouldn't be BroShep's either - if he romanced Kaidan as I did in my game. That ending disregard's women and LGBT relationships which, just... no. No thank you to that ending rumor at all.

[Jackal7713]

hector7rau wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

Not many people will be buying that if its real.

I think i've got a concussion as a result of how hard i've just facepalmed.

I'm not giving them a dime. Let them understand what happens when you upset your customers.

[ReapersSniper]

TamiBx wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

I knew it. If this is real, I totally saw this coming. I mean, who the **** cares about mp dlc right now? I sure don't. Actually, I plan on never touching mp (the beauty of playing ME on Xbox and having to pay extra)

The online isn't even all that great it gets boring after awhile I think theres only like four maps

[nilcox]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Aztlanna wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Same here. I came to destroy the Reapers and that's what I'm going to do. I felt REALLY bad about the Geth and EDI though...

Me too. I was SO HAPPY when I paragon'd my way to peace between the geth & the quarians, when they finally took back their home world. I felt like all my work and all Tali's struggles had finally paid off. I was thrilled when I got the update that the geth were helping rebuild, helping the quarians adapt to life on Rannoch.

Then, in the endgame, they tell me this harmony is impossible. I was like, did you even read your own script, finale writers?! 

Same here, I was like "Look at the Quarians and the Geth, I already achieved peace between Synthetics and Organics you Bosh'tet!"

The AI god kids logic was made of Fail. "I created syntetics to kill organics every 50k years so that they aren't killed by synthetics!"

Wow Sovereign was right, their reason was beyond our ablility to understand.... BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE!

hahaha so true, but the funny thing is, maby its really beyond our comprehension? We dont understand and cant understand so Soverign was totaly right!

[Nathos]

I hope to see that someday:

Child: Did that all really happen?

Stargazer: Yes, but some of the real endings were lost in time. It all happened so very long ago.

Child: When can I see the real ending?

Stargazer: ....one day my sweet.

Child: What will be there?

Stargazer: Any ending you can imagine... our game has millions of fans. Each of those endings, can have real closure... that real closure, could please real fans... and every fan will have their special story of their own.

[Stakis]

guys whats with the theory that joker is stargazer and the kid is shepard´s son ? that makes no sense, the kid is like 5-10 years and joker is a young guy, so unless he aged 50 years in 10 and his voice changed in the process thats not possible.

[Annaleah]

Aedera wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Don't blame BioWare. They feel horrible about all of this, judging by Chris Priestly's tweet last night. EA strong armed them into this. EA is notorious for doing that to good game companies that end up working with them.

What did Chris tweet?

I didn't find any tweet about EA (which, honestly, probably never happened unless he took it down) BUT I did see one that was rather interesting.  Someone asked about why there were two squadmates dead with you after the laser and what happened to them and he said I don't think we've revealed that yet.  

Yes almighty star child, I am hanging all my hopes on that "yet" at the end...

I have NO idea how to get links to a specific twitter conversation but here is this...

https://twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris 

Another thing he posted was about how his "heart hurt" from the BSN.  To be honest, for the most part, I think our conversations have been fair for the most part and not hurtful or fanboi raging but still can't be easy for the community managers.

Most of the fanboi/girl raging and trolling I have seen so far has been on facebook and not on BSN but then again I haven't been looking that hard.

[zarnk567]

Jackal7713 wrote...

hector7rau wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

Not many people will be buying that if its real.

I think i've got a concussion as a result of how hard i've just facepalmed.

I'm not giving them a dime. Let them understand what happens when you upset your customers.

what everyone else said..... good to see the multiplayer did not detract from the Single Player....

[PhoenixDove1]

I liked KOTOR, DAO and ME because they aren't mp or mmo. What's with the h**d*n for mp and mmo lately? It's seems as if all their games are going that way. Don't get me wrong they pulled of TOR better than any other mmo but I didn't want mmo to begin with and I sure don't want mp DLC for ME3, even if the ending had been awesome.

[panamakira]

Eirileth wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Don't blame BioWare. They feel horrible about all of this, judging by Chris Priestly's tweet last night. EA strong armed them into this. EA is notorious for doing that to good game companies that end up working with them.

What did Chris tweet?

That his fingers hurt, his heart was sick and his soul was hurting. And that he had a headache.

Hmm....ok that could be a million other things but hopefully it's not related to this. We never invalidated the hard work and passion the devs put into the game. In fact that's the whole reason we're here. We've enjoyed everything for the most part, but to end it in such ridiculuous manner, it's just a disservice to a lot of fans and to the series. And I'm not saying everyone hated the endings and if you liked the endings I wish I did too but hopefully the best they can do for now is address the issue before more people find themselves not trusting them anymore.

I for one regardless am not pre-ordering anymore or buying any ME3 DLC that doesn't fix the endings. I'm going to take the "Wait and See" approach. 

Modifié par panamakira, 13 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[Matt_gekko88]

Guys, I'm starting to believe this "we deliver the end in a DLC"-story could be true. But, even if I would be glad about a "real" ending instead of the one they gave us (so far), I would be disappointed of BioWare. The ending(s) belong on the disc.

[Aztlanna]

nilcox wrote...


hahaha so true, but the funny thing is, maby its really beyond our comprehension? We dont understand and cant understand so Soverign was totaly right!

In the fiction world, if an author defends his creative choice by implying that his audience is too dumb to get the genius behind the decision, he or she is strung up virtually and set on internet fire. Why is it okay here? 

[THX-1136]

ReapersSniper wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

I knew it. If this is real, I totally saw this coming. I mean, who the **** cares about mp dlc right now? I sure don't. Actually, I plan on never touching mp (the beauty of playing ME on Xbox and having to pay extra)

The online isn't even all that great it gets boring after awhile I think theres only like four maps

People seem wrought up on multiplayer DLC when this is floating around:

Omega DLC with Aria; a mission with your LI; weapon/appearance packs; and a "Rescue Shepard" DLC... really hoping this turns out to be true... But these will be a little ways down the tube unfortunately

Modifié par THX-1136, 13 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[HITMAN629]

As far as Im concered this --->

Is the best ME3 ending out right now.

Hold The Line!

[SoulReaver49]

J5550123 wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html

Not many people will be buying that if its real.

No way. People are already not buying the game and are actually causing a bit of financial damage. If people don't want to buy the main game, no way are they (or we, for that matter) are going to buy DLC for a multiplayer that essentially doesn't matter

[karambiatos]

guys if your going to post stuff from twitter please link to the post its self, twitter has the dumbest UI ever conceived

Modifié par karambiatos, 13 mars 2012 - 12:41 .

[baronkohinar]

I, too, have canceled my TOR account citing the ME3 ending. When the form asked for a reason, I informed them I wasn't interested in giving BioWare any more of my money when it was clear they didn't value their fans.

[radethewolf]

WOW  super thread of doom... just wow.

I too shall my voice my displease of this games ending,  and i never post anything.