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#21776
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Ahahaha! I just replayed the ending, since there's this convenient save just when you get beamed up.
And I didn't want the ending, so I goofed around a bit. And as it turns out, you can shoot the Crucible =D
I walked up the control walkway and started shooting at the destroy option and then I got a game over screen saying the crucible was destroyed. I kinda approve of that. Just for giggles.

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Nathos wrote...

I hope to see that someday:

Child: Did that all really happen?

Stargazer: Yes, but some of the real endings were lost in time. It all happened so very long ago.

Child: When can I see the real ending?

Stargazer: ....one day my sweet.

Child: What will be there?

Stargazer: Any ending you can imagine... our game has millions of fans. Each of those endings, can have real closure... that real closure, could please real fans... and every fan will have their special story of their own.

Stargazer: All for the low, low price of $10 or 800 spacebucks

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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Guys, I'm starting to believe this "we deliver the end in a DLC"-story could be true. But, even if I would be glad about a "real" ending instead of the one they gave us (so far), I would be disappointed of BioWare. The ending(s) belong on the disc.



Agreed, and if they do release something like that I bet my left nut it'll be for 800+ msp points

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PhoenixDove1 wrote...

I liked KOTOR, DAO and ME because they aren't mp or mmo. What's with the h**d*n for mp and mmo lately? It's seems as if all their games are going that way. Don't get me wrong they pulled of TOR better than any other mmo but I didn't want mmo to begin with and I sure don't want mp DLC :( for ME3, even if the ending had been awesome.


Apparently Dr Greg believes thats the future of gaming, i strongly disagree,  but thats my opinion.

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It's a shame really that the ending is killing the sales and ratings. I would give this game a 10 out of 10 easy if it had a better ending. I won't rate it on any site at all until we get a decision on the ending. I loved the first two games, so it's really difficult for me to give the third game anything less than a 10. But the ending makes the entire journey seem pointless.

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look at this twitter conversation with Chris:

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@BioEvilChris Would it be too much if I asked you something since you work at BioWare? It's not ****ing about ME3.

@KenRaves Shoot, I may not be able to answer, but I'll try.


@BioEvilChris During the final run, just before the end, are the two squadmates with you killed? I understand if you can't answer.

@KenRaves I don't think we've revealed that yet. Sorry.

@BioEvilChris Totally fine, sir, thanks for your time! Also, I was 95% satisfied with the game - sorry 'bout the flak on the forums I saw.

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Sounds like, something will be revealed.

edit: source: twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179051973658685440

Modifié par KHReborn, 13 mars 2012 - 12:43 .


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KaiserinKai wrote...

Aztlanna wrote...

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Same here. I came to destroy the Reapers and that's what I'm going to do. I felt REALLY bad about the Geth and EDI though...



Me too. I was SO HAPPY when I paragon'd my way to peace between the geth & the quarians, when they finally took back their home world. I felt like all my work and all Tali's struggles had finally paid off. I was thrilled when I got the update that the geth were helping rebuild, helping the quarians adapt to life on Rannoch.

Then, in the endgame, they tell me this harmony is impossible. I was like, did you even read your own script, finale writers?! 


Same here, I was like "Look at the Quarians and the Geth, I already achieved peace between Synthetics and Organics you Bosh'tet!"

The AI god kids logic was made of Fail. "I created syntetics to kill organics every 50k years so that they aren't killed by synthetics!"

Wow Sovereign was right, their reason was beyond our ablility to understand.... BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE!


LOL! No kidding.

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This might sound pathetic but I just booted up ME1 and cried through the whole opening sequence, especially the first Kaidan/Joker one and the mass relay jump. I'm really at a loss as to if I think it's a good or bad ending now. I mean it must have done something right to make me so emotional about a series of videogames... I mean sure I would have much prefered a happy ending, but if they never fix it, I'll never forget how hard that ending struck me. It made an impact and although I won't be able to play it again, I'll certainly never forget it. Dunno if that's what they were going for, but it's success on some level.

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KaiserinKai wrote...

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SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html


I knew it. If this is real, I totally saw this coming. I mean, who the **** cares about mp dlc right now? I sure don't. Actually, I plan on never touching mp (the beauty of playing ME on Xbox and having to pay extra)


Xbox player here too and yea, not paying for Gold just to play a multiplayer I have NO interest in just so I can raise a score that they said you could get without multiplayer but really can't.



There is a reason why I only play single player rpg games that don't have mp at all. That was another thing that made me annoyed bout ME3, but I can deal with it for now...there is something worse than not being able to achieve 5000 ems on sp:devil:

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ReapersSniper wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Guys, I'm starting to believe this "we deliver the end in a DLC"-story could be true. But, even if I would be glad about a "real" ending instead of the one they gave us (so far), I would be disappointed of BioWare. The ending(s) belong on the disc.



Agreed, and if they do release something like that I bet my left nut it'll be for 800+ msp points

I don't want to claim this is happening or anything, but EA is bigger than anyone else on the whole "content exclusively for people who buy the game new".  Would they go so far as to release a game's true ending over the Alliance Network, so that people who buy the game used have to shell out to get the conclusion?

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THX-1136 wrote...

ReapersSniper wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

SoulReaver49 wrote...

So we have some new multiplayer DLC, which, of course, isn't the DLC that we want.
http://www.cinemable...aled-40370.html


I knew it. If this is real, I totally saw this coming. I mean, who the **** cares about mp dlc right now? I sure don't. Actually, I plan on never touching mp (the beauty of playing ME on Xbox and having to pay extra)


The online isn't even all that great it gets boring after awhile I think theres only like four maps


People seem wrought up on multiplayer DLC when this is floating around:

Omega DLC with Aria; a mission with your LI; weapon/appearance packs; and a "Rescue Shepard" DLC... really hoping this turns out to be true... But these will be a little ways down the tube unfortunately


I've heard of the Omega DLC, but not the others. The link is broken, too, btw :(

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LethesDeep wrote...

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How was the symbiosis ending supposed to work? To me it sounded like everything was going to be killed off to make room for some new lifeforms. I mean, how was it supposed to make everyone part synthetic while leaving them who they are?


 Typical ME space magic :wizard:. It creates new DNA then uses a pulse of energy that rewrites all organic DNA and changes synthetics so they have to have DNA too.

Really this kind of ending is totally feasible in the ME universe and doesn't break the player's suspension of disbelief at all. I mean, none of the tech is actually explained, it's not like BioWare wrote and narrated an in-game encyclopedia to explain everything in an internally logical- oh, wait.


Yeah, and here's my next question - if the starchild/deus ex machina creature had the capability to instantaneously transform the DNA of everybody in the galaxy as it sees fit, why did the Reapers ever need to go to war at all?  Why didn't the god!machine just send out a magic pulse to turn everybody into husks or something and then the Reapers could just come along and shovel them up?  Even if it needed an organic 'sacrifice' for it, it never says that you couldn't be indoctrinated for that role, just for controlling the Reapers.  So BAM, easy peasy.

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LethesDeep wrote...

Yeah, really. I didn't see that comparison flying around the internet during the Fallout 3 ending backlash. It's really just insulting.


The Destructoid folks are... how shall I put this nicely... pretty immature most of the time... and they tend to try to bark with the pak and often be very non chalant.

Kinda sorry the Escapist hasn't picked up on our little endavour yet, though... I am really looking forward to what Yatzee
has to say about the ending.^^

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I tested the multiplayer once. It really makes fun. But the thing with the "Readiness"-rating, which is not achievable by playing only single-player is embarrassing.

But what is also embarrassing: you can buy new stuff for your multiplayer-character - by paying with MS-Points...

Modifié par Matt_gekko88, 13 mars 2012 - 12:46 .


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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Guys, I'm starting to believe this "we deliver the end in a DLC"-story could be true. But, even if I would be glad about a "real" ending instead of the one they gave us (so far), I would be disappointed of BioWare. The ending(s) belong on the disc.


I honestly suspect, and I keep saying this, that they ran out of time.. it's obvious they underestimated being as they had to push the deadline once... the entire final mission seems more like they had to cut a final citadel mission, and a bunch of ending stuff and then piece together stuff that they already had resulting in inconsistencies (crew suddenly on ship, crewmates you were just with on ship, lack of point for the entire 'citadel war assets' stuff since the citadel got jacked anyway.

I'm fine with paying for them to FINISH the story properly.. they have the ability to make this into a moment of indoctrinated unconsciousness on the citadel where he talks to citadel kid.. and then come back to reality, realize he has to get to the council chamber and fire the weapon.. they have countless other possibilities.. just make sure it makes sense and lives up to the same standard of story/canon quality that you had the rest of the game.

I'm not expecting Lord of the Rings "holy crap I have to pee" 4th and 5th 'endings' but I'd like something better than everything I did to this point doesn't mean anything.. and uses space magic to make sense.

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Kitten Tactics wrote...

ReapersSniper wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Guys, I'm starting to believe this "we deliver the end in a DLC"-story could be true. But, even if I would be glad about a "real" ending instead of the one they gave us (so far), I would be disappointed of BioWare. The ending(s) belong on the disc.



Agreed, and if they do release something like that I bet my left nut it'll be for 800+ msp points

I don't want to claim this is happening or anything, but EA is bigger than anyone else on the whole "content exclusively for people who buy the game new".  Would they go so far as to release a game's true ending over the Alliance Network, so that people who buy the game used have to shell out to get the conclusion?


Oh I could definitely see that happening

#21792
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Aztlanna wrote...

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hahaha so true, but the funny thing is, maby its really beyond our comprehension? We dont understand and cant understand so Soverign was totaly right!


In the fiction world, if an author defends his creative choice by implying that his audience is too dumb to get the genius behind the decision, he or she is strung up virtually and set on internet fire. Why is it okay here? 


I was talking about the kids reasoning, as in its actualy so far beyond our thinking that we cant comprehend it, it has nothing to do with us being stupid. I dont really know how to explain what I mean but I would be okay with something like that tbh.

The mysteries of the reapers have been part of the series since game 1 and I would be fine if it stays that way, and for me if the writers wanna keep that mystery im fine with an explination that it is beyond our comprehension.

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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Guys, I'm starting to believe this "we deliver the end in a DLC"-story could be true. But, even if I would be glad about a "real" ending instead of the one they gave us (so far), I would be disappointed of BioWare. The ending(s) belong on the disc.

The one they gave us was the "real" ending, and if we manage to get the change we are desperately hoping for, they will say this was all planned just to save face. No company would admit that they fudged a product up this bad if there is a way to play it off.

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TamiBx wrote...

There is a reason why I only play single player rpg games that don't have mp at all. That was another thing that made me annoyed bout ME3, but I can deal with it for now...there is something worse than not being able to achieve 5000 ems on sp:devil:


You can achieve 5000 ems on sp. Import a Shep, try to make as many allies as you can (I allied everyone), finish all the side missions, and scan every system in every cluster (basically, 100% completion). You'll get over 10000 TMS.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 13 mars 2012 - 12:46 .


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Aedera wrote...

I didn't find any tweet about EA (which, honestly, probably never happened unless he took it down) BUT I did see one that was rather interesting.  Someone asked about why there were two squadmates dead with you after the laser and what happened to them and he said I don't think we've revealed that yet.  

Yes almighty star child, I am hanging all my hopes on that "yet" at the end...

I have NO idea how to get links to a specific twitter conversation but here is this...

https://twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris 

Another thing he posted was about how his "heart hurt" from the BSN.  To be honest, for the most part, I think our conversations have been fair for the most part and not hurtful or fanboi raging but still can't be easy for the community managers.


Oh didn't know he had a heart after all... lol j/k!!! Seriously, we are not to be blamed for this, it is just a mere consequence of the developers choice. Once again, Idk how they created that ending thinking that we would love

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Kitten Tactics wrote...

ReapersSniper wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Guys, I'm starting to believe this "we deliver the end in a DLC"-story could be true. But, even if I would be glad about a "real" ending instead of the one they gave us (so far), I would be disappointed of BioWare. The ending(s) belong on the disc.



Agreed, and if they do release something like that I bet my left nut it'll be for 800+ msp points

I don't want to claim this is happening or anything, but EA is bigger than anyone else on the whole "content exclusively for people who buy the game new".  Would they go so far as to release a game's true ending over the Alliance Network, so that people who buy the game used have to shell out to get the conclusion?


Quite possibly. At this point I'm convinced that there is an ending dlc in the works. After all, if there wasn't they could just say that the ending we got is the ending we get, that wouldn't spoil anyone. Instead they keep saying that they're not ready to spoil people yet, makes me think something is coming.

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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Guys, I'm starting to believe this "we deliver the end in a DLC"-story could be true. But, even if I would be glad about a "real" ending instead of the one they gave us (so far), I would be disappointed of BioWare. The ending(s) belong on the disc.


If they try and make us pay for the DLC, I'll not be purchasing a single thing from them again.

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nilcox wrote...

Alright children, I will now take some time to explain some basic facts about polling and PR and general business.

First I would like to tell you all to LAY off the EA bashing, they have nothing to do with mass effect 3 other then publishing it and financing it, what a company does when seeking investment is ask for the money and present a prototype and a budget.

They then either get the money or they dont, they also get so called milestones to hit, meaning say a working alpha after 4 months of development, what EA or any other publisher wont do is demand a game be finished at a specific time. And after they fork over the money they got virtually no saying in how the development goes, look at duke nukem which was in production for 10+ years. So lay of the EA bashing and focus on bioware.


I'm sorry. I wasn't even going to touch this until you mentioned Duke Nukem Forever. Seriously, not comparable because of how the business relationships started back then are very different to how they are now. Plus then there's how Take 2 smelled blood and tried to acquire rights to the Duke IP in a fire sale when 3DR ran out of money. That's what publishers do when they think they can. What happened in the end, though, was the best fit with T2 arbitrating a deal between 3DR and Gearbox. 3DR can't do anything right with Duke anymore mostly because one man, George Broussard, is a moron. Gearbox gets it done.

Bioware didn't say "Hey lets try and cripple the used market on our games with arbitrarily with-held base features and content that's only enabled with one-time use unlock codes". This has been an EA requirement for accross a lot of studios for their generous support. Cerberus Network Card? Oh please. Publishers pay studios a flat commission up front upon completion and a percentage of royalties after that. They reap the most rewards, though, from high sales numers. Junk like online passes are a gimmick all around. More $$$ to studio if they agree to it, more $$$ in first party sales. So yes. Much more EA bashing.

Though I do agree on the ME3 ending it needs to be determined as to what their involvment trully was before the bash train goes full steam ahead.

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did anyone had the idea to play the last lvl for example in the collectors' equipment? because i'm not sure if my sheperd wore the things i made him wear in the last mission. that would be an interesting thing to try

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Of course, if they DO release a DLC ending, whether that was their plain all along or not, and we all buy it, we're just supporting this sort of thing happening all over again and lining EA's pockets with more money they don't deserve for this sort of stunt.

It'll pretty much tell them it's ok to sell a game without a proper ending, because they can just charge us more later for it and we'll buy it.

Not a trend I want to see or support.