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[Sia_Sinblade]

Elios wrote...

heh another thing popped in to my mind a bit a go
Kobayashi Maru
its a no win
so why not pull a Kirk and hack the game
http://en.wikipedia..../Kobayashi_Maru

What would be funny would be if they release an actual DA: O style editor for the game giving the people the chance to create the ending of their dreams.

Not gonna happen. But it would be epic. XD

[Sporothrix]

WarBaby2 wrote...

My my... so much emotion here.

All I can say is: Ever played Xenosaga? Remember the ending? All ended with the destruction of the UMN (galaxy wide transportation network, built by a long gone entity).

For me, it was kinda logical from the start of ME1 that all will somehow end in a similar way...

Are you speaking about fate of galaxy or your friends and LI? If the former, then I don't mind. But it's the latter that people are angry about.

[Someone With Mass]

WarBaby2 wrote...

My my... so much emotion here.

All I can say is: Ever played Xenosaga? Remember the ending? All ended with the destruction of the UMN (galaxy wide transportation network, built by a long gone entity).

For me, it was kinda logical from the start of ME1 that all will somehow end in a similar way...

Yeah, but pretty much all the endings end the same way, and that's what's really bugging me, because one ending like that would have sufficed.

Not to mention that the part about the Normandy feels forced beyond belief. Especially when your companions apparently made their way back and Shepard didn't. In every ending.

There's not letting the player get everything he/she wants and then there's not letting him/her get anything he wants.

[CerberusSoldier]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I do not wish for a Disney ending, personnally. I want war, I want sacrifices, I want difficult choices, etc, etc. I loved the ending of Dragon Age: Origins, for instance. Some of my wardens died, some didn't, depending on how I roleplayed them, and it was awesome. None of the (at least my) endings were perfect.
To have ONLY awful endings in ME3 feels... incredibly disappointing. All of my efforts come down to either having my Sheps dead or forever alone? Really?

Besides the whole thing with the Normandy being stranded makes absolutely no sense.

   


what you do in 3 preparing for the war is pointless

Huh.  Not from what I'm reading.

   



Then why don't you tell me . or should I just assume you have no info

[elarem]

Where is the re-playability in these leaked endings?

When my CE edition arrives on the 9th I won't look on it with wondrous anticipation - it will more likely be a meh so what reaction. Especially if the internet confirms that these really are the only rail-roaded choices that we get!

Thank you Bioware/EA I have learnt these valuable lessons:

--Don't trust what developers say - they promise more than they can deliver. Even more so if there is the possibility that the third act has become a logistic nightmare because of act 2 's story and the choices offered to players.

--Don't buy a science fantasy series where the the last act wants to develop an emo/serious/mature/gritty/fatalistic mirror-to-reality approach - thus forgetting that it is science fantasy and meant to be played for amusement. Six dark endings I could go with if there was the option for Shepard to be with the crashed Normandy crew in just one of them. Why was that too much to hope for?

If the endings are as they are said to be then I shall play through once and choose all the most destructive options that the game allows - it's the kindest thing to do for all the NPCs. The only way that I can send a message to EA/Bioware is to import my remaining saves but not finish the games thus adding to their statistics on games not completed. But I doubt they'd get the message because they've already got my money. Why would they care what I think?

--Don't buy a game until impartial reviews come out, any major bugs have been fixed, and then only purchase it when it is cheap.

By the time ME3 arrives I shall have started my Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition and I am led to believe there are actual differences in the endings depending on choices made in game not just cosmetic ones.

[CerberusSoldier]

I know this come next Monday night at 12 am on the east coast EA and Bioware 's almighty protection of this games pathetically weak ass story ends and it will be free to be put up on you tube .

[Juniper Mucius]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I do not wish for a Disney ending, personnally. I want war, I want sacrifices, I want difficult choices, etc, etc. I loved the ending of Dragon Age: Origins, for instance. Some of my wardens died, some didn't, depending on how I roleplayed them, and it was awesome. None of the (at least my) endings were perfect.
To have ONLY awful endings in ME3 feels... incredibly disappointing. All of my efforts come down to either having my Sheps dead or forever alone? Really?

Besides the whole thing with the Normandy being stranded makes absolutely no sense.

   


what you do in 3 preparing for the war is pointless

Huh.  Not from what I'm reading.

   



Then why don't you tell me . or should I just assume you have no info

You build an army and overcome an enemy, saving the galaxy.  Yeah, Shepard may die or the relays may get shut down, but that doesn't make building an army "worthless".  Saying preparing for war is "pointless" because you don't like the endings is a silly statement.  The fight still matters.

[WarBaby2]

misoretu9 wrote...
you speaking about fate of galaxy or your friends and LI? If the former, then I don't mind. But it's the latter that people are angry about.

Well, I will be angry if the deaths that will happen are meaningless...

In Xenosaga, the people that did die in the ending, died with a bang... and it was logical in the context of the story.

One thin is true, though. XS only had one ending to begin with. ME, with a multitude of possible endings, there should be a possibility to have a perfect happy ending.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I do not wish for a Disney ending, personnally. I want war, I want sacrifices, I want difficult choices, etc, etc. I loved the ending of Dragon Age: Origins, for instance. Some of my wardens died, some didn't, depending on how I roleplayed them, and it was awesome. None of the (at least my) endings were perfect.
To have ONLY awful endings in ME3 feels... incredibly disappointing. All of my efforts come down to either having my Sheps dead or forever alone? Really?

Besides the whole thing with the Normandy being stranded makes absolutely no sense.

   


what you do in 3 preparing for the war is pointless

Huh.  Not from what I'm reading.

   



Then why don't you tell me . or should I just assume you have no info

You build an army and overcome an enemy, saving the galaxy.  Yeah, Shepard may die or the relays may get shut down, but that doesn't make building an army "worthless".  Saying preparing for war is "pointless" because you don't like the endings is a silly statement.  The fight still matters.

That is incorrect. Regardless of what Shepard does up to the ending, he always defeats the Reaper Cycle and the rest of the current galaxy is pretty much boned.

[Icinix]

What are you talking about? The "ending" (singular) is great!

All those choices in ME1, ME2 and ME3 that shape the galaxy so when the Reapers are defeated your choices will have their affects shown and affect how the Reapers are defea-----


Oh. I see. They blow it all up and isolate everything and maroon your friends and kill your Shep (I am aware of the potential exception) regardless of readiness / assets / choices.

Well...thats..unfortunate.

To be honest though - at least its a complete / definite ending.

But I think it does resonate a larger issue in the entertainment world - writers fears of endings. They either leave it all wide open and don't have an ending, or they just wipe the slate clean and leave the ending as a new beginning.

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

It never stated that there wont be a happy ending, only that it would be sad and not perfect which considering the war setting and enemy faced, makes good sense. The idea that shepards victory over the repears would be pyrhic is infact one of the main themes in ME3. The whole opening of ME3 you see in the demos and/or will see in the released game with the attack on earth is a testiment to it. Don't get me wrong i want the "happy ever after" ending for shepard as much as the next player but "C'est la guerre" as the french say! These ending are the ones that fit with the ME story, and i prefer an ending that fits to story rather that a duex ex machinia ending were every thing is works out perfectly.

[Elegana]

"It's about the journey - not the outcome" -Mac Walters, lead writer of ME3.

If it's about the journey and the outcome is ****ty, then your journey was all for nothing. Gamers have played this game series for 5-6 years and all of them have invested time and money into these games. From the leaked script, it actually looks decent and consistent with the previous two games concerning the sacrifice and choices, except on a larger scale. But the endings... the endings came out of nowhere. Throughout all three games, we're preparing to fight the Reapers and the more prepared we are, the more hope we gathered.

Had Mass Effect been a movie series or TV series, then yeah, the endings would have been accepted. But it's not. Its game where many have placed themselves in Shepard's shoe and even became Shepard. They've gotten emotionally attached to their crew and LI. To merely have Shepard die/live isolated and the crew crashed landed on some planet (why the hell was the Normandy even NEAR the mass relay when they're supposed to be fighting on Earth?). That is the worst thing to do. AT LEAST put in a "good" ending that even though billions upon billions people died and planets have been destroyed... at the end of the series, Shepard is with his/her crew.

You want to tie up those loose ends? Then do it Fallout style: Have someone narrate what happened to his crew; here, I'll even write it for you:

"After the Normandy crashed on the moon, we celebrated. We destroyed the Reapers. But reality soon fell upon us: We are stranded. We're stuck on this moon. While some felt sad, knowing we may not see or hear from anyone else, others felt like this was our reward: Paradise. It's a beautiful place, with beaches, flora, and sunset skies. There's plenty of food and wildlife all around us. Its like our own piece of Eden.

We decided to colonize here, but we still sent out our distress signal in case. As months passed, we became more settled in. EDI and Tali (if on your crew) would use old wreckage from the ship to build things. They tried to fix the ship, but we didn't have enough resources. Shepard and his/her (insert LI name and depending on the LI, mention they had kids) were together until Shepard's end. (insert LI name) took it hard, but s/he kept on living (you could say they died soon after, or if it's Liara, she kept on living).

We used to stare up into the sky and wonder how everyone else is doing. We miss our homeworlds and the lives we had, but we're happy here too".

Zoom away and see that it's actually a letter and the author of letter dies in his/her sleep.

There you go, loose end tied up. With a happy ending for Shepard and his crew, while everyone else is recovering for the war.

Modifié par Elegana, 29 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[DifferentD17]

elarem wrote...

Where is the re-playability in these leaked endings?

When my CE edition arrives on the 9th I won't look on it with wondrous anticipation - it will more likely be a meh so what reaction. Especially if the internet confirms that these really are the only rail-roaded choices that we get!

Thank you Bioware/EA I have learnt these valuable lessons:

--Don't trust what developers say - they promise more than they can deliver. Even more so if there is the possibility that the third act has become a logistic nightmare because of act 2 's story and the choices offered to players.

--Don't buy a science fantasy series where the the last act wants to develop an emo/serious/mature/gritty/fatalistic mirror-to-reality approach - thus forgetting that it is science fantasy and meant to be played for amusement. Six dark endings I could go with if there was the option for Shepard to be with the crashed Normandy crew in just one of them. Why was that too much to hope for?

If the endings are as they are said to be then I shall play through once and choose all the most destructive options that the game allows - it's the kindest thing to do for all the NPCs. The only way that I can send a message to EA/Bioware is to import my remaining saves but not finish the games thus adding to their statistics on games not completed. But I doubt they'd get the message because they've already got my money. Why would they care what I think?

--Don't buy a game until impartial reviews come out, any major bugs have been fixed, and then only purchase it when it is cheap.

By the time ME3 arrives I shall have started my Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition and I am led to believe there are actual differences in the endings depending on choices made in game not just cosmetic ones.

Sadly I agree with all of this.

[Elios]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I do not wish for a Disney ending, personnally. I want war, I want sacrifices, I want difficult choices, etc, etc. I loved the ending of Dragon Age: Origins, for instance. Some of my wardens died, some didn't, depending on how I roleplayed them, and it was awesome. None of the (at least my) endings were perfect.
To have ONLY awful endings in ME3 feels... incredibly disappointing. All of my efforts come down to either having my Sheps dead or forever alone? Really?

Besides the whole thing with the Normandy being stranded makes absolutely no sense.

   


what you do in 3 preparing for the war is pointless

Huh.  Not from what I'm reading.

   



Then why don't you tell me . or should I just assume you have no info

You build an army and overcome an enemy, saving the galaxy.  Yeah, Shepard may die or the relays may get shut down, but that doesn't make building an army "worthless".  Saying preparing for war is "pointless" because you don't like the endings is a silly statement.  The fight still matters.

yes it does
am i the only one that doesnt care what happens to Shepard and co.? screw them
For the greater good or Earth First
what happend to that?
why cant i dick over Earth to save the relays for the rest of the Galaxy
or
why cant i dick over the rest of the galaxy to put humans on the fast track
so what if people die i can live with that the idea of knee-caping the galaxy pisses me off

[incinerator950]

Someone With Mass wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

My my... so much emotion here.

All I can say is: Ever played Xenosaga? Remember the ending? All ended with the destruction of the UMN (galaxy wide transportation network, built by a long gone entity).

For me, it was kinda logical from the start of ME1 that all will somehow end in a similar way...

Yeah, but pretty much all the endings end the same way, and that's what's really bugging me, because one ending like that would have sufficed.

Not to mention that the part about the Normandy feels forced beyond belief. Especially when your companions apparently made their way back and Shepard didn't. In every ending.

There's not letting the player get everything he/she wants and then there's not letting him/her get anything he wants.

The ending isn't supposed to be a fan service.  The only compelling, debatable idea would be not giving everything they want, but making variables that are drastically different.  However, in the scope of it all, this is Bioware we're talking about, and general endings to cliches or illusion variables are incredibly common, no matter how polished they look.

[CptData]

Elegana wrote...

"It's about the journey - not the outcome" -Mac Walters, lead writer of ME3.

If it's about the journey and the outcome is ****ty, then your journey was all for nothing. Gamers have played this game series for 5-6 years and all of them have invested time and money into these games. From the leaked script, it actually looks decent and consistent with the previous two games concerning the sacrifice and choices, except on a larger scale. But the endings... the endings came out of nowhere. Throughout all three games, we're preparing to fight the Reapers and the more prepared we are, the more hope we gathered.

Had Mass Effect been a movie series or TV series, then yeah, the endings would have been accepted. But it's not. Its game where many have placed themselves in Shepard's shoe and even became Shepard. They've gotten emotionally attached to their crew and LI. To merely have Shepard die/live isolated and the crew crashed landed on some planet (why the hell was the Normandy even NEAR the mass relay when they're supposed to be fighting on Earth?). That is the worst thing to do. AT LEAST put in a "good" ending that even though billions upon billions people died and planets have been destroyed... at the end of the series, Shepard is with his/her crew.

You want to tie up those loose ends? Then do it Fallout style: Have someone narrate what happened to his crew; here, I'll even write it for you:

"After the Normandy crashed on the moon, we celebrated. We destroyed the Reapers. But reality soon fell upon us: We are stranded. We're stuck on this moon. While some felt sad, knowing we may not see or hear from anyone else, others felt like this was our reward: Paradise. It's a beautiful place, with beaches, flora, and sunset skies. There's plenty of food and wildlife all around us. Its like our own piece of Eden.

We decided to colonize here, but we still sent out our distress signal in case. As months passed, we became more settled in. EDI and Tali (if on your crew) would use old wreckage from the ship to build things. They tried to fix the ship, but we didn't have enough resources. Shepard and his/her (insert LI name and depending on the LI, mention they had kids) were together until Shepard's end. (insert LI name) took it hard, but s/he kept on living (you could say they died soon after, or if it's Liara, she kept on living).

We used to stare up into the sky and wonder how everyone else is doing. We miss our homeworlds and the lives we had, but we're happy here too".

Zoom away and see that it's actually a letter and the author of letter dies in his/her sleep.

There you go, loose end tied up. With a happy ending for Shepard and his crew, while everyone else is recovering for the war.

Could even be done with some cutscenes. Besides that: You're right.

[Yagamoth3433]

Out of curiosity am I the only one who finds it odd that all of the endings mentioned have so many similarities? I will be the first to admit that my experiences with script writing are limited however I have never seen a script for anything written like this. Perhaps someone more experienced with the process could comment on this but at first glance it would appear that the script writer was either

A. Lazy
B. Underpaid
C. High as a kite

I am not saying that the script is false or anything of that nature I simply find it extremely irregular from what I have experience and heard of the script writing process.

[wright1978]

elarem wrote...

Where is the re-playability in these leaked endings?

When my CE edition arrives on the 9th I won't look on it with wondrous anticipation - it will more likely be a meh so what reaction. Especially if the internet confirms that these really are the only rail-roaded choices that we get!

Thank you Bioware/EA I have learnt these valuable lessons:

--Don't trust what developers say - they promise more than they can deliver. Even more so if there is the possibility that the third act has become a logistic nightmare because of act 2 's story and the choices offered to players.

--Don't buy a science fantasy series where the the last act wants to develop an emo/serious/mature/gritty/fatalistic mirror-to-reality approach - thus forgetting that it is science fantasy and meant to be played for amusement. Six dark endings I could go with if there was the option for Shepard to be with the crashed Normandy crew in just one of them. Why was that too much to hope for?

If the endings are as they are said to be then I shall play through once and choose all the most destructive options that the game allows - it's the kindest thing to do for all the NPCs. The only way that I can send a message to EA/Bioware is to import my remaining saves but not finish the games thus adding to their statistics on games not completed. But I doubt they'd get the message because they've already got my money. Why would they care what I think?

--Don't buy a game until impartial reviews come out, any major bugs have been fixed, and then only purchase it when it is cheap.

By the time ME3 arrives I shall have started my Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition and I am led to believe there are actual differences in the endings depending on choices made in game not just cosmetic ones.

Yeah woefully bad ending with zero real choice on ending isn't going to make me want to replay the game. It won't make me want to buy DLC either. Very tempted to go destructive in the one playthrough but i'll try and roleplay my Shep as long as Bioware allows me to do that.

[DifferentD17]

So I can only assume these leaks are true, if they aren't in a few hours we should see a thread from a mod saying they aren't that simple. I will still think they may lying, but at it would at least put some people at ease including me ever so slightly.

[CerberusSoldier]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I do not wish for a Disney ending, personnally. I want war, I want sacrifices, I want difficult choices, etc, etc. I loved the ending of Dragon Age: Origins, for instance. Some of my wardens died, some didn't, depending on how I roleplayed them, and it was awesome. None of the (at least my) endings were perfect.
To have ONLY awful endings in ME3 feels... incredibly disappointing. All of my efforts come down to either having my Sheps dead or forever alone? Really?

Besides the whole thing with the Normandy being stranded makes absolutely no sense.

   


what you do in 3 preparing for the war is pointless

Huh.  Not from what I'm reading.

   



Then why don't you tell me . or should I just assume you have no info

You build an army and overcome an enemy, saving the galaxy.  Yeah, Shepard may die or the relays may get shut down, but that doesn't make building an army "worthless".  Saying preparing for war is "pointless" because you don't like the endings is a silly statement.  The fight still matters.

   









What you do in this game does not matter. If this was a war like Bioware says there is . Then Shepard and crew would lose a ton of ships and people . but they would be standing all together at the end . No what Bioware has done is made the game so you are basically preparing for you and the glaxy's  death . The reapers do not have to do anything because Shepard will make one of 3 choices . One is a sell out all organic life and become what Saren wanted in ME 1 and that is cyborg slaves . The other 2 are worse .  we are not fighting for anything in 3 .  

[incinerator950]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Here is a wild idea! i know it seems a bit crazy but.......what about we wait until we play the game? I know i know it sounds over the top but listen if we play the game we can judge for ourselves. What? i told you it was crazy

I know, its even crazier that the majority of people who have been playing have been enjoying the game, even to the ending.

[CerberusSoldier]

Yagamoth3433 wrote...

Out of curiosity am I the only one who finds it odd that all of the endings mentioned have so many similarities? I will be the first to admit that my experiences with script writing are limited however I have never seen a script for anything written like this. Perhaps someone more experienced with the process could comment on this but at first glance it would appear that the script writer was either

A. Lazy
B. Underpaid
C. High as a kite

I am not saying that the script is false or anything of that nature I simply find it extremely irregular from what I have experience and heard of the script writing process.

   


The endings are exactly the same as the leaked script

[DifferentD17]

I will be so mad if they make a ME4 or a spin off where Liara, Garrus, Tali, Joker, EDI. are all ****d out. I wouldn't put it past them though. I don't know how far they can fall.

[Juniper Mucius]

DaftArbiter wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I do not wish for a Disney ending, personnally. I want war, I want sacrifices, I want difficult choices, etc, etc. I loved the ending of Dragon Age: Origins, for instance. Some of my wardens died, some didn't, depending on how I roleplayed them, and it was awesome. None of the (at least my) endings were perfect.
To have ONLY awful endings in ME3 feels... incredibly disappointing. All of my efforts come down to either having my Sheps dead or forever alone? Really?

Besides the whole thing with the Normandy being stranded makes absolutely no sense.

   


what you do in 3 preparing for the war is pointless

Huh.  Not from what I'm reading.

   



Then why don't you tell me . or should I just assume you have no info

You build an army and overcome an enemy, saving the galaxy.  Yeah, Shepard may die or the relays may get shut down, but that doesn't make building an army "worthless".  Saying preparing for war is "pointless" because you don't like the endings is a silly statement.  The fight still matters.

That is incorrect. Regardless of what Shepard does up to the ending, he always defeats the Reaper Cycle and the rest of the current galaxy is pretty much boned.

My gods you people.  I seriously, seriously frelling hope this is all misleading information.  I pray to every god that has ever existed that you're frelling wrong so I can do nothing but laugh at your ****ing and whining and crying.  

And if you're right?  Congrats, because I don't mind the endings anyway.  But you're all overexaggerating crybabies and it's frelling pathetic.  Grow the hell up.  It's a gods damned video game, not the end of the damn world.  ****y little spoiled brats.  If I ever cry like some of you people about not getting my way in a video game, I hope I have a friend nearby to smack me on the back of the damn head and mock me to hell.  The fact that this is over 80 pages of people ****ing is just a sad, sad statement.  Not for BioWare, but for *people*.  

And so I'm clear, I'm not mocking people for "not having a life" or for "posting on a forum".  I just honeslty can't believe that so many people are crying over this ending.  You know what?  I wouldn't mind a different gods damned ending myself.  You know what I'm going to do, however?  I'm going to play the frelling video game and go from there.  You can sit there on your asses and say, "you're just in denial" all the frell you want.  But you don't have fundamental, confirmed, absolute proof that there is no positive ending.  They could, very possibly, be missing something.  This could be elaborate trolling.  You won't know until the game is in your damn hands and you've beaten it by attempting to do the best possible ending.