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[The_L33T_Man]

Does anyone else think that the endings to Mass Effect are essentially the endings to Deus Ex?

I mean, one of them even has all the tech in the galaxy being fried.

[akipi00]

It is my very first time to post anything on a forum, but I just feel so strongly about the game that I have to say something.This may sound more like a review but i just want to let it all out.
As much as I have been a fan of the series with multiple characters on both ME1 and ME2  it really hurts me to see this game go out in this manner considering how good just about 99% of the game was.
It isn't because Shepard dies, I was going in with the assumption this was a possible outcome.  There are small bugs (texture pop ups, etc) in the game but didn't take away from the presentation at all. I think the best way to put it is in one word that Bioware has used repeatedly to describe this game, choice.
I think i can actually understand how/why Bioware wanted to end the ME universe as they did. The problem was that the connection between 99% of the game and the last 1% was it didn't mesh well together (at least in my opinion).
The three choices you had at the end, destruction, control and synthesis, does embrace the path (choices you made throughout the game) you took to get there. Using the geth/quarian choices as an example. Shutting down the geth is the destruction choice where you kill off all synthetics, synthesis is where you make peace between the two, and control is where you chose the geth.However because of how last minute it felt, after thinking you finished everything such as deploying the crucible, there is this feeling of disconnect. The end isn't able to truly show that the path that you have taken with all the choices made through the game had been presented in front of you durring the conversation with the god kid/catalyst or whatever everyone is calling him.
In an ending such as this, unless everything can come together perfectly, it is extremely hard to present to an audience in a coherent manner. The ending isn't what everyone wanted, I myself wouldn't mind an off into the sunset ending and/or a depressing everyone dies ending (although there is some sense that thats all we got).
However in the ending that Bioware chose, they needed to do more to truly show what the players were choosing in the end. The conversation at the very end with the catalyst is a prime example where this could have been archived, but just fell flat on its face and not even trying. The logic presented, how it was portrayed (or lack there of) really did not help at all. It truly didnt show that your choices were the ones that showed the catalyst that there were other options. The frustration I have is that Bioware was not able to weave a story around the theme of choice in a manner that gripped everyone. In my opinion it was there yet when you have this many people not see it, and even I took some time to see it (about a day) means that Bioware didn't fully achieve a story they wanted to tell everyone. I am almost inclined to say that the 1% I have a problem isn't the ending choices we are given but the lack of cohesive story that clearly defined what you were doing in the end.
In all honesty Bioware wasn't able to pull off the ending which it was aiming for, that is the biggest gripe I have. You have to actually unravel it, where if perfectly portrayed the minute the dialog ended, it should have all clicked. Bioware wrote the story so it's easy for them to comprehend and explained to someone they are showing in a meeting. But if most of the audience cannot seem to grasp it in the first few minutes there is a serious problem in how it was told.
If they weren't able to pull the above ending off for everyone they should have at least added in the Hollywood endings of riding off into the sunset AND where the Reapers achieve what they came to do, harvest everyone. This way there was something made someone
There are also problems/sloppyness with the ending cimematics shown before the credits such as the Normandy and the Mass Relays. There isn't much of an explanation as to why the Normandy looked to be between relays when it should have been at earth, or if the relay explosion only took out the relay or entire solar systems. Why your squad in my case I chose synthesis so I had Joker, EDI, and Liara (my LI) who I also has as my final squad mate. Neither the reasoning why only the destroy has Shepard live, where synthesis would also be able to accommodate this because Shepard is partially synthetic with all the implants she had (I played a female Shepard). It really seemed like they rushed and forgot to review what the actually did for the last bit before the game was shipped.

[illutian]

CirusTheVirus666 wrote...

The_L33T_Man wrote...

Godspeed, Commander Shepard. Maybe you find a more fitting end to one as heroic as you.

I can't watch that video without tearing up

Be right back...crying

[DifferentD17]

They must've seen this coming what true fan that's going to want to play it over and over and over wants such a bleak, sad, full of plot hole ending? Did they not want us to keep playing it?

[IndelibleJester]

I just want an ending true to everything Shepard is and stands for, everything they've made Shepard throughout these games. Shepard deserves a hero's end, or happiness - and the choices therein.

[LoneAffliction]

Agreed. IMO a bleak ending is fine. If thats what that player wants or is shooting for, but for those of us who would like a happy ending we should at least have the option to achieve that somehow. Either make it really hard to achieve or something to that notion i suppose at least just give us the option to achieve it if we play our hearts out for it and we want that for our shepard. Like i said, sad endings are fine just give us some more options for endings here is what id like. Oh and and have it all make sense too.

[Fox544]

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Keep the 3 endings. but for the love of Child space god, give us: An ending where Shepard and Liara have beautiful Blue asari babies together, and ending where Shepard fulfills his promise to Tali, and brings her back to her homeworld and get's her that beautiful house for them to live with. The ending where Shepard has a life with Ashley. Just give us closure, we want all possible endings. Whether they're dismal, or Happy.

We want to see Shepard sacrifice his/her life for the greater good of the galaxy and his name is forever remembered by the races.

We want to see and ending where Shepard lives and has a nice peaceful loving life with his or her love interest.

Or the bad ending where the galaxy still falls to the reapers.

Give us more than three color coded choices with virtually the same outcome.

QFE. Completely agree. Not giving us all possible endings is just bad form for a game that based itself on choices.

[aderynbrea]

I actually want to have faith in Bioware on this one. That said, I'm still going to hold the line until I have answers or a response fro BW, at least. The glimmer of some hope for a different ending gives me a little motivation to play the last part of ME3, just so I can get the "Shepard lives" ending. I didn't spend all those hours in MP for nothing....oh wait. I did >.< Damn it!

[tausra]

DifferentD17 wrote...

They must've seen this coming what true fan that's going to want to play it over and over and over wants such a bleak, sad, full of plot hole ending? Did they not want us to keep playing it?

You paid your $60, they don't care about the milage you get out of it.

[JamesYHT]

HOLD the line.

[Troglyte]

Speaking (writing actually) for myself the "3 endings" are not just a load of horse "leavings", it is just cheap and a cheat. Bioware spent real time and money on all three games and it showed, but clearly something very different happend to provide what the past 900 pages of this posting have already said so well.

Darn right, I'll hold the line!

[DifferentD17]

LoneAffliction wrote...

Agreed. IMO a bleak ending is fine. If thats what that player wants or is shooting for, but for those of us who would like a happy ending we should at least have the option to achieve that somehow. Either make it really hard to achieve or something to that notion i suppose at least just give us the option to achieve it if we play our hearts out for it and we want that for our shepard. Like i said, sad endings are fine just give us some more options for endings here is what id like. Oh and and have it all make sense too.

At this point I don't even care if the happy ending makes sense... lol

[DifferentD17]

tausra wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

They must've seen this coming what true fan that's going to want to play it over and over and over wants such a bleak, sad, full of plot hole ending? Did they not want us to keep playing it?

You paid your $60, they don't care about the milage you get out of it.

Buy other EA games...;D

NO.

[Darkspazztic]

Well...bedtime folks.

Hold the line.

For the love of everything decent in this world, hold. the. line.

[Darth Garrus]

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Keep the 3 endings. but for the love of Child space god, give us: An ending where Shepard and Liara have beautiful Blue asari babies together, and ending where Shepard fulfills his promise to Tali, and brings her back to her homeworld and get's her that beautiful house for them to live with. The ending where Shepard has a life with Ashley. Just give us closure, we want all possible endings. Whether they're dismal, or Happy.

We want to see Shepard sacrifice his/her life for the greater good of the galaxy and his name is forever remembered by the races.

We want to see and ending where Shepard lives and has a nice peaceful loving life with his or her love interest.

Or the bad ending where the galaxy still falls to the reapers.

Give us more than three color coded choices with virtually the same outcome.

Oh, no. Please, cut the "space child god". This is the mother of all "Deus ex machina". Give us some real ending.

I really wanted to see BW just saying: "we admit. The endings were a mistake. This time we will give it some thought, and come up with a real ending. You will take from the charge on the Reaper. No drastic cut, no space child-god, and no lack of telling about everyone that you cared about in the game".

Some real endings means sacrificing himself while fighting with his comrades. After reaching a decision point. But with the option of a happy ending. And even if sacrifice is on the menu, shows us what happen to everybody later on. How Shepard is remembered through all the universe. And stop this thing about cutting all technology. This is also very bad. Or maybe just in a "worst case scenario-renegade choice". But show how is the Citadel afterwords. How is Earth and Shepard. Or people's memories of him and his companions.

I don't think it's fair to sell a game and have those things told just in another game, or payed dlc, if that was the idea.

I'm starting to think that they planned something like that. Some DLC to tell more. But it's just wrong. The only DLC they should focus on now is about correcting these terrible mistakes and sorry excuses for endings.

Edit: OK, I really don't want to discuss about keeping or not the endings. I think they should go. But if not, we need something extra with it. Something good for a change.

Modifié par Darth Suetam, 13 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[The Big Palooka]

Ivon wrote...

ashley_actually wrote...

SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

Sywen wrote...

ashley_actually wrote...

I'm 28 and a somewhat grow up person. I spent the day after beating the game curled up on the couch listening to the saddest songs on the ME3 soundtrack. I haven't posted on message boards in years but this thread has been a sanity saviour. 

Thing is Mass Effect was real life (no joke). Everytime I saw a choice I'd immediately think "yep that's the option I'd pick if this was real."

The choices mattered to us. No matter how hard I tried I couldn't be an ass and go Renegade. Right now I'm sitting at what appears to be Full Rep, with about half a "stick" (|-----****|) of Renegade and the rest Paragon. Why? Because that's me.

In fact I've gone back to redo things because it didn't turn out how I wanted it to...why? Because I did it in the wrong order (ie Blow up Reaper before Stopping Geth fighters).

So geee, I wonder why people are upset. Maybe because we made Shepard "us". Seriously, who here played fresh and was either Ultra Good or Ultra Bad (Para / Rene). HAVING NEVER PLAYED OR SEEN OTHERS PLAYING. Most of you probably played as "yourself" and then went back and played as "not you".

And then in the end we get cheated.

Totally agree with this and I think this is a big part of why the ending bugged a lot of us so much - maybe a bigger part than Bioware could've even realized.  I think many people, myself included, not only designed a character in terms of looks, but in terms of - well, character.  Being forced into an unwinnable choice might be an acceptable fate for most heroes, but we had the option of designing a character as an avatar of ourselves.  That's what makes it a role-playing game.  Shepard's failures are our failures.

We wanted to win.  And because the final options were so apparently arbitrary, without any narrative structure holding them up (like, for instance, choosing how to handle the genophage, where you have clear external forces defining what your options are and why, and what the consequences of your actions will likely be) - I suspect a lot of us were able to instantly come up with other solutions, or at least a whole lot of questions to ask.  And here, all of a sudden, Shepard drops out of the race and accepts limitations that we can clearly see our way past.

And there you sit, having treated a game like real life, holding yourself accountable for 'your' behavior, whatever that was, and right at the finish line, the game suddenly leaps up into your face shouting BOO, I'M ACTUALLY STILL JUST A GAME, CHECK OUT MY LIMITATIONS.

And we lose the battle, because Shepard gave up on us.

(lol cathartic longpost is cathartic)

[Jackal7713]

Leraje666 wrote...

Well, I find it rather amusing how EA stock has been skowly sliding down over the course of the day:
www.google.com/finance

Thats what happens when Forbes publishes bad things about your interactions with customers.

[Wolfgang_Ocelot]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Keep the 3 endings. but for the love of Child space god, give us: An ending where Shepard and Liara have beautiful Blue asari babies together, and ending where Shepard fulfills his promise to Tali, and brings her back to her homeworld and get's her that beautiful house for them to live with. The ending where Shepard has a life with Ashley. Just give us closure, we want all possible endings. Whether they're dismal, or Happy.

We want to see Shepard sacrifice his/her life for the greater good of the galaxy and his name is forever remembered by the races.

We want to see and ending where Shepard lives and has a nice peaceful loving life with his or her love interest.

Or the bad ending where the galaxy still falls to the reapers.

Give us more than three color coded choices with virtually the same outcome.

Oh, no. Please, cut the "space child god". This is the mother of all "Deus ex machina". Give us some real ending.

I really wanted to see BW just saying: "we admit. The endings were a mistake. This time we will give it some thought, and come up with a real ending. You will take from the charge on the Reaper. No drastic cut, no space child-god, and no lack of telling about everyone that you cared about in the game".

Some real endings means sacrificing himself while fighting with his comrades. After reaching a decision point. But with the option of a happy ending. And even if sacrifice is on the menu, shows us what happen to everybody later on. How Shepard is remembered through all the universe. And stop this thing about cutting all technology. This is also very bad. Or maybe just in a "worst case scenario-renegade choice". But show how is the Citadel afterwords. How is Earth and Shepard. Or people's memories of him and his companions.

I don't think it's fair to sell a game and have those things told just in another game, or payed dlc, if that was the idea.

I'm starting to think that they planned something like that. Some DLC to tell more. But it's just wrong. The only DLC they should focus on now is about correcting these terrible mistakes and sorry excuses for endings.

Yeah true, I honestly couldn't believe it all boiled down to a Space reaper god child wizard telling you, you have to pick between three options. and that there is no rejecting these options.

Honestly it was a complete break from Shepards character, no way in hell would he do that. He'd find a way like he always does.

[Almostfaceman]

I suggest we all sign this thread folks, it's a great summation of what we all have been saying.

[aderynbrea]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Leraje666 wrote...

Well, I find it rather amusing how EA stock has been skowly sliding down over the course of the day:
www.google.com/finance

Thats what happens when Forbes publishes bad things about your interactions with customers.

HAHA! So true! Though, there is a steady increase too. Don't know what that could be though

[PhoenixDove1]

Anyone with a twitter account? Has Mike Gamble, Casey Hudson or any other employee posted anything recently?

[GSS115]

Hmm You know after all of this I think that "Mass Effect" has a new meaning.

[TSC_1]

Ugh. It's been 48 hours, and I still feel like I've been kicked in the gut. I've even lost my appetite. Honestly.

[kato42]

I hated the endings.  The game was great right up until then, but then the three endings ruined it.

I was looking forward to playing it through again with my Femshep, and now... I don't know.

I may repeat what others have said, but I can't wade through hundreds of pages of posts.  In fact unless you've been following this from the start, I suspect no one can.  So I suspect fere will read this post.


Here are my complaint about the ending(s) -

1. They are functionally the same with very minor variations.  That is weak.

2. The Normandy - inexplicably is in FTL - gets her engines blown off and crashes on an unknown world.  Despite the fact that it should have been fighting at Earth, not in FTL.  At least if her engines exploded in the final event, she should have crashed on Earth with the survivors of the Reaper attack on Earth, and the survivors of the fight in orbit.

The first is a problem because it means that really, everything you did up until then; destroy the Geth, broker peace between the Geth and Quarians, cure the genophage, don't cure it, whatever, is really irrelevant.  You end up railroaded into an ending, what the OP called a bittersweet ending, no matter what.

And the problem with the Normandy is itself dual.
First - It doesn't make sense!  What was the Normandy doing in FTL and outside of the Local Cluster?  Just a short while before it was giving support for the attack on a Reaper, and then it runs?  No, makes no sense, not cool.

Second - Shepard dying was at least acceptable, I didn't have a problem with that, although it would have been nice if he could have come out of this alivem, settled down with his love interest, and lived out the rest of his life in some form of peace - he had earned it for pity sake!  But still, I can accept his ultimate sacrifice.  Its in character.

But with everything else they had been through, the rest of the party and crew ends up stranded on some nameless unknown planet where they don't have enough resources and a small gene pool meaning they are screwed for starting a new colony as well?  What the hell is that?  They should have been allowed to go home, help rebuild, and try to live out the rest of their lives in peace.  They too had earned it.

Yeah, the rest of the galaxy is better off, and that's good.  With the exception of the choice of destroying the Repaers, it seemed that people shouldn't suddenly lose their advanced tech.  So even if eezo cores overload in The Event and the mass relays explode, new FTL ships could be built, and in time new mass relays could be built (it might be a while, but it could be done) - so the rest of the galaxy could pick itself up in time, decades to some degree, probably centuries for the full restoration of galactic civilization.

Its just so damned depressing that the people instrumental in pulling it off get screwed even if they don't die!  And on top of that, because of something that makes no damn sense!

[Darth Garrus]

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Keep the 3 endings. but for the love of Child space god, give us: An ending where Shepard and Liara have beautiful Blue asari babies together, and ending where Shepard fulfills his promise to Tali, and brings her back to her homeworld and get's her that beautiful house for them to live with. The ending where Shepard has a life with Ashley. Just give us closure, we want all possible endings. Whether they're dismal, or Happy.

We want to see Shepard sacrifice his/her life for the greater good of the galaxy and his name is forever remembered by the races.

We want to see and ending where Shepard lives and has a nice peaceful loving life with his or her love interest.

Or the bad ending where the galaxy still falls to the reapers.

Give us more than three color coded choices with virtually the same outcome.

Oh, no. Please, cut the "space child god". This is the mother of all "Deus ex machina". Give us some real ending.

I really wanted to see BW just saying: "we admit. The endings were a mistake. This time we will give it some thought, and come up with a real ending. You will take from the charge on the Reaper. No drastic cut, no space child-god, and no lack of telling about everyone that you cared about in the game".

Some real endings means sacrificing himself while fighting with his comrades. After reaching a decision point. But with the option of a happy ending. And even if sacrifice is on the menu, shows us what happen to everybody later on. How Shepard is remembered through all the universe. And stop this thing about cutting all technology. This is also very bad. Or maybe just in a "worst case scenario-renegade choice". But show how is the Citadel afterwords. How is Earth and Shepard. Or people's memories of him and his companions.

I don't think it's fair to sell a game and have those things told just in another game, or payed dlc, if that was the idea.

I'm starting to think that they planned something like that. Some DLC to tell more. But it's just wrong. The only DLC they should focus on now is about correcting these terrible mistakes and sorry excuses for endings.

Yeah true, I honestly couldn't believe it all boiled down to a Space reaper god child wizard telling you, you have to pick between three options. and that there is no rejecting these options.

Honestly it was a complete break from Shepards character, no way in hell would he do that. He'd find a way like he always does.

Exactly! It was just not the same game, not the same character. And nothing we did before seemed to matter. It was a big break from everything.