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[tasca1180]

CptData wrote...

Elegana wrote...

"It's about the journey - not the outcome" -Mac Walters, lead writer of ME3.

If it's about the journey and the outcome is ****ty, then your journey was all for nothing. Gamers have played this game series for 5-6 years and all of them have invested time and money into these games. From the leaked script, it actually looks decent and consistent with the previous two games concerning the sacrifice and choices, except on a larger scale. But the endings... the endings came out of nowhere. Throughout all three games, we're preparing to fight the Reapers and the more prepared we are, the more hope we gathered.

Had Mass Effect been a movie series or TV series, then yeah, the endings would have been accepted. But it's not. Its game where many have placed themselves in Shepard's shoe and even became Shepard. They've gotten emotionally attached to their crew and LI. To merely have Shepard die/live isolated and the crew crashed landed on some planet (why the hell was the Normandy even NEAR the mass relay when they're supposed to be fighting on Earth?). That is the worst thing to do. AT LEAST put in a "good" ending that even though billions upon billions people died and planets have been destroyed... at the end of the series, Shepard is with his/her crew.

You want to tie up those loose ends? Then do it Fallout style: Have someone narrate what happened to his crew; here, I'll even write it for you:

"After the Normandy crashed on the moon, we celebrated. We destroyed the Reapers. But reality soon fell upon us: We are stranded. We're stuck on this moon. While some felt sad, knowing we may not see or hear from anyone else, others felt like this was our reward: Paradise. It's a beautiful place, with beaches, flora, and sunset skies. There's plenty of food and wildlife all around us. Its like our own piece of Eden.

We decided to colonize here, but we still sent out our distress signal in case. As months passed, we became more settled in. EDI and Tali (if on your crew) would use old wreckage from the ship to build things. They tried to fix the ship, but we didn't have enough resources. Shepard and his/her (insert LI name and depending on the LI, mention they had kids) were together until Shepard's end. (insert LI name) took it hard, but s/he kept on living (you could say they died soon after, or if it's Liara, she kept on living).

We used to stare up into the sky and wonder how everyone else is doing. We miss our homeworlds and the lives we had, but we're happy here too".

Zoom away and see that it's actually a letter and the author of letter dies in his/her sleep.

There you go, loose end tied up. With a happy ending for Shepard and his crew, while everyone else is recovering for the war.

Could even be done with some cutscenes. Besides that: You're right.

I'm sure the Kaidan thread could convince Raphael Sbarbge to read that for us. 

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

All I can say is ''thanks a lot Bioware'' I've supported you throughout the years. But this decision is outright cruel. You knew very much how your fans felt. Was it really so hard to give them the variations they wanted instead of a miserable you and your crew are doomed ending regardless of what you pick. This should be the ending for if you did poorly at the game, was lazy and didn't do most of the extra content. The last resort to ensure victory. Not the ending that people hardcored every single sidequest and made a great selection of choices for.

I'm still getting the game. But the entire time I'm going to be miserable thinking about this ending when playing it. I wish so badly that I'd never seen the spoilers. I don't play video games to get depressed but at least I wouldn't have the entire game ruined by it, just the end.

I was gonna get the game on all platforms, now I'm wondering whether I should keep the PS3 version preordered. Since reply value is going to be 0 with endings like this.

Modifié par Pr3ying M4nt15 360, 29 février 2012 - 12:59 .

[ArkkAngel007]

incinerator950 wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Here is a wild idea! i know it seems a bit crazy but.......what about we wait until we play the game? I know i know it sounds over the top but listen if we play the game we can judge for ourselves. What? i told you it was crazy

I know, its even crazier that the majority of people who have been playing have been enjoying the game, even to the ending.

Yeah, except for the side missions.  When that gets out to the peasant masses...

[CptData]

tasca1180 wrote...

I'm sure the Kaidan thread could convince Raphael Sbarbge to read that for us. 

And Raph asks Kimberly Brooks to read it for us Ash fans too.

[kingsims]

There should be an ending where the Normandy crashes with Garrus, Tali, Liara, EDI, Prothy, Vega, Ash/Kaiden with Shepard making it as well (The galaxy is still badly destroyed only 5% survive and the mass relays are all destroyed) but shepard and his crew made it. (I don't understand why this ending is not in the game)

Death seems like the best option for shepard with the current endings (This will probably be the correct choice for paragon players) the forever alone ending seems like the worst ending.

Modifié par kingsims, 29 février 2012 - 01:00 .

[CerberusSoldier]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Here is a wild idea! i know it seems a bit crazy but.......what about we wait until we play the game? I know i know it sounds over the top but listen if we play the game we can judge for ourselves. What? i told you it was crazy

   


Oh and further protect the god awfuil story that was clear in the leaked script and now seems to be the same dam one in the game . Nah I am sorry no they deserve what they get . They spent a year basically hiding the story from us and now we find out . No matter what we do in the game it is pointless because the end is death  

[CptData]

kingsims wrote...

There should be an ending where the Normandy crashes with Garrus, Tali, Liara, EDI, Prothy, Vega with Shepard making it as well (The galaxy is still badly destroyed only 5% survive and the mass relays are all destroyed) but shepard and his crew made it.

Death seems like the best option for shepard (This will probably be the correct choice for paragon players) the forever alone ending seems like the worst ending.

As I said before:

"Sometimes Death is far more merciful than life."
Which definitely applies on Shepard if s/he survives while the Normandy strands somewhere thousands of lightyears away.

[incinerator950]

It's amazing how you people paint Shepard as someone who can't cope with loss, and have no survival intentions or instincts on Earth.

Shepard /= You

[Yagamoth3433]

Well assuming the endings are true can the next game set in the ME universe take a page out of WH40k and allow me to lead a great crusade to conquer the galaxy in humanities name while slaughtering all sentient non human life. I mean if we are going for the 40k style bittersweet endings then we might as well take it to the next level and start and unending galaxy wide war which throws every race into an unending meat grinder.

[CerberusSoldier]

kingsims wrote...

There should be an ending where the Normandy crashes with Garrus, Tali, Liara, EDI, Prothy, Vega, Ash/Kaiden with Shepard making it as well (The galaxy is still badly destroyed only 5% survive and the mass relays are all destroyed) but shepard and his crew made it. (I don't understand why this ending is not in the game)

Death seems like the best option for shepard with the current endings (This will probably be the correct choice for paragon players) the forever alone ending seems like the worst ending.

  



It has nothing to do with paragon or renegade choices . The endings all in end death

[Icinix]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Here is a wild idea! i know it seems a bit crazy but.......what about we wait until we play the game? I know i know it sounds over the top but listen if we play the game we can judge for ourselves. What? i told you it was crazy

Because we know now.

Also *puts on tin foil hat* I would hazard a guess that BioWare did the space editions and allowed a few ending leaks as such so that hopefully by the time the game comes out - the loudest and angriest fans on the BSN would have burnt out their energy - so the vast majority of gamers wouldn't be affected by the negative hype so much on release.

The first week or two of sales is massive - but if the negativity is expended before less forum minded gamers start buying / collecting their game - there will be less general negativity to be heard and less likely to turn people off of purchasers AND most game sites won't report on this crazy uproar because the game has not been released yet and they're still under quiet orders for their reviews.

YAY!

*removes tin foil hat*

Actually - to be honest - this general knowledge has been around for a while, its just been confirmed now. We can hold off and judge once we've played the game - but for a lot of people - if they do that and allow themselves that shred of faint hope - it will make the damage even worse.

Better to deal with the bitter certainty now - and expect it - deal with it and move on.

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

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Modifié par steph285, 29 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[CerberusSoldier]

incinerator950 wrote...

It's amazing how you people paint Shepard as someone who can't cope with loss, and have no survival intentions or instincts on Earth.

Shepard /= You

   


The ending of this proves Shepard is no hero but the vanguard of his own and the galaxy's death

[OmegaBlue0231]

I switched my preordered to the standard from the CE. Not worth the extra cash for those endings.

I'm still going to play it, just for less money.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

I mean how bitter. I get what they've done, Paragon is basically Shepard sacrifices himself, the best ending which goes against everything the series has taught you to fight against by having you merge with the reapers, or Blue Control an ending which delays the inevitable, either way most the galaxy is screwed.

Then you have the Renegade ending which is quite obviously destroy being Red which is basically the only way to have Shepard live and is basically pointless anyway.

All endings basically give you small degrees of success on a horrible ending. I really hope in context I will appreciate it but I honestly dont know how. Mass Effect is my favourite game, and maybe I've gotten way to emotionally attached to the overall story ark. To know Shepard dies basically for nothing (seriously who the heck would think a merge ending was good? where you see the crew with red eyes?)

Modifié par Pr3ying M4nt15 360, 29 février 2012 - 01:06 .

[Elios]

well now we know why there is multiplayer lol forget any replay value from the single player game

[CptData]

incinerator950 wrote...

It's amazing how you people paint Shepard as someone who can't cope with loss, and have no survival intentions or instincts on Earth.

Shepard /= You

It's not that Shepard can't take a loss or two. I'm pretty sure he can take the loss of the galactic society or so, since he knows the galaxy now has a chance to prosper without the Reapers.

However, Shepard basically loses ANYTHING. There's nothing left of what he had before. No friends, no family, no love, Earth is burning ... he's pretty much alone in the end.
And that's something hard to swallow.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

incinerator950 wrote...

It's amazing how you people paint Shepard as someone who can't cope with loss, and have no survival intentions or instincts on Earth.

Shepard /= You

Wrong. Shepard's whole MO was that when things didn't go his way, he didnt give up. When no one believed him, he didn't give up. When he lost someone near to him, he didn't give up. What did he do? He fought, and he won.

Except now, what is there to fight? How is he supposed to win? Shepard has exceeded his purpose and can now do nothing beyond pretedermined endings to save himself and to save other people.  Shepard was unique for always finding a way. But now because the writers don't want an ending like that, how can he find a way? There is no way. He either rots for the rest of his life, or dies outright.

With all the Biblical parallels in the Mass Effect series, you'd think someone would've pointed out to Mac Walters that while Jesus got crucified and buried in a tomb and later resurrected, the Disciples didn't all get on a boat, sail out to sea and get marooned on Rhodes or something.

[CerberusSoldier]

Icinix wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Here is a wild idea! i know it seems a bit crazy but.......what about we wait until we play the game? I know i know it sounds over the top but listen if we play the game we can judge for ourselves. What? i told you it was crazy

Because we know now.

Also *puts on tin foil hat* I would hazard a guess that BioWare did the space editions and allowed a few ending leaks as such so that hopefully by the time the game comes out - the loudest and angriest fans on the BSN would have burnt out their energy - so the vast majority of gamers wouldn't be affected by the negative hype so much on release.

The first week or two of sales is massive - but if the negativity is expended before less forum minded gamers start buying / collecting their game - there will be less general negativity to be heard and less likely to turn people off of purchasers AND most game sites won't report on this crazy uproar because the game has not been released yet and they're still under quiet orders for their reviews.

YAY!

*removes tin foil hat*

Actually - to be honest - this general knowledge has been around for a while, its just been confirmed now. We can hold off and judge once we've played the game - but for a lot of people - if they do that and allow themselves that shred of faint hope - it will make the damage even worse.

Better to deal with the bitter certainty now - and expect it - deal with it and move on.

    




No this will never end until Bioware fixes this with a Fallout 3 style ending dlc pack . to fix this garbage

[kingsims]

Halo 3 did this bitter-sweet ending with master chief, the arbiter made it but the chief was presumed MIA which is why you see his funeral at the end with no body (Its a pretty sad ending, chief is all out in space by himself but he won and his tag line "Will make it").

Modifié par kingsims, 29 février 2012 - 01:12 .

[Big I]

Elios wrote...

well now we know why there is multiplayer lol forget any replay value from the single player game

Hell I'm not even sure I'll be able to force myself to play through the endgame even once.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

incinerator950 wrote...

It's amazing how you people paint Shepard as someone who can't cope with loss, and have no survival intentions or instincts on Earth.

Shepard /= You

Well, the only reason I can think for letting Shepard live in the "good"/whatever ending, is to have a carrot for the ME spin-off/MMO if they go for a "sequel" of sorts.

I doubt they'll pull a Revan again, but you never know...

[Sporothrix]

incinerator950 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

My my... so much emotion here.

All I can say is: Ever played Xenosaga? Remember the ending? All ended with the destruction of the UMN (galaxy wide transportation network, built by a long gone entity).

For me, it was kinda logical from the start of ME1 that all will somehow end in a similar way...

Yeah, but pretty much all the endings end the same way, and that's what's really bugging me, because one ending like that would have sufficed.

Not to mention that the part about the Normandy feels forced beyond belief. Especially when your companions apparently made their way back and Shepard didn't. In every ending.

There's not letting the player get everything he/she wants and then there's not letting him/her get anything he wants.

The ending isn't supposed to be a fan service.  The only compelling, debatable idea would be not giving everything they want, but making variables that are drastically different.  However, in the scope of it all, this is Bioware we're talking about, and general endings to cliches or illusion variables are incredibly common, no matter how polished they look.

Incredibly naive. You could say about every other part of the game and say it isn't supposed to be a fan service. Of course it is, because dissatisfied customer won't buy any other product of that company. And there are games where such ending would work, but this one is not one of them.

[CerberusSoldier]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I mean how bitter. I get what they've done, Paragon is basically Shepard sacrifices himself, the best ending which goes against everything the series has taught you to fight against by having you merge with the reapers, or Blue Control an ending which delays the inevitable, either way most the galaxy is screwed.

Then you have the Renegade ending which is quite obviously destroy being Red which is basically the only way to have Shepard live and is basically pointless anyway.

All endings basically give you small degrees of success on a horrible ending. I really hope in context I will appreciate it but I honestly dont know how. Mass Effect is my favourite game, and maybe I've gotten way to emotionally attached to the overall story ark. To know Shepard dies basically for nothing (seriously who the heck would think a merge ending was good? where you see the crew with red eyes?)

   



There is no paragon or renegade enings . The final choice is the ending and it means either slavery or death