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[DifferentD17]

The Big Palooka wrote...

Well, I'm off for the night. Keep fighting the good fight - and Hold the Line.

Keelah Se'lai

Keelah Se'lai!

[Almostfaceman]

Sign this thread folks if you agree with the OP. 

[NeoQuintessence]

I am certainly disappointed in the endings as well. My reason is that all of them feel so arbitrary in relation to all that Shepherd has done before. They are all simply different shades (and colors, literally) of the same thing, none of which reflect how I have played.

There is also no resolution to many questions about the squad and other allies. What about my love interest (Ashley) and me? What about the quarians and Ranoch? The Geth? The Genophage cure? Etc.

Finally, in any option, essentially, the whole galaxy is screwed. With the mass relays destroyed, no species will be able to get home, colonies that depend on supplies from other places will die, and the great peaces that Shepherd made do not matter at all. I feel like I wasted time getting everyone to cooperate if they are just going to be isolated anyway.

[Darth Garrus]

Going to have some sleep. Back tomorrow, I hope.

Hold the line!!!

[THX-1136]

IG Daily talked about the petition today.

Brings up a good example: Fallout 3--people hated the ending where you were forced to die and so with DLC you could survive the radiation. The possibilities...

Modifié par THX-1136, 13 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[DifferentD17]

I thought this was so funny. The plot of ME is basically the plot of Gurren Lagann.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Larask]

SkaldFish wrote...

Regarding that magnum opus on IGN: Arrogance and condescension just drip from that video. Who has the entitlement issue here? I think it's the guy who feels ENTITLED to verbally abuse those with whom he disagrees.

It's one thing to engage in a real debate and quite another to set up a strawman, pretend it's the issue, and bludgeon it into the ground like Shepard head-stomping a husk. It's easy to be a bully when your targets stand silent behind a webcam lens, I suppose.

How many times do we have to say this? The real issue here is product quality, not user preference. ME 3's ending is of such poor quality that the contrast with the rest of the game is stark. From the perspectives of writing, gameplay consistency & mechanics, editing, plot development, conceptual coherence, characterization, user experience -- every important facet of game dynamics -- it misses the quality mark.

Moreover, this is NOT about an artist's right to freedom of expression or the idea that creativity is not a democratic process. (ALTHOUGH... is that really true? See the footnote*)

We are not saying to a novelist "we just don't like your novel -- rewrite it!"  We're saying "We paid you for a portrait, but you failed to capture the likeness. It needs to be reworked so that it looks like the subject."

Perhaps of equal importance is the simple fact that this is NOT a novel or a painting or a movie. It is an interactive RPG -- unfortunately one that, when interactive role playing is most critically important, completely ignores that role, dictates a completely generic set of outcomes and rushes to a completely incoherent conclusion. Can it really be true that no one at BioWare understands this?

There are objective standards that should have been met. They were not met. The product is defective. As consumers who have purchased the product, we are requesting that those defects be resolved. No amount of dismissive ridicule or name-calling invalidates the legitimacy of that position.

* Those who have so quickly invoked the notion that the public is wrong to evaluate or criticize or suggest (even demand) changes to a "creative work" like ME3 have clearly never been artists or writers. I have an undergraduate degree in art. From day one, it was hammered into us that criticism is the single most valuable gift an artist can receive. Once you've sat through a few hundred critique sessions during which your professors and peers excoriate your work, you begin to develop a thick skin -- and to understand that an artist who cannot graciously accept and respond to criticism -- no matter how harsh -- cannot grow or improve. Literary agents, editors, and publishers provide the same essential training to novelists. This prepares creators of art or literature for the final gauntlet -- the public. It would likely surprise those who feel the need to speak out on behalf of poor artists who are being "unfairly criticized" that Renaissance masters considered it to be not the right but the responsibility of the public -- in their case made up primarily of illiterate peasants -- to critically evaluate their work. How could they believe such a thing? Simple. They understood who their art was for.

Today, we more commonly hear retorts like "what gives you the right to criticize my work?" or "how dare you suggest that I change my personal creative expression!!" My, how things change...

Well said. I couldn't have said it better. And I love the point you make at the end with the *. And it even goes beyong writting and art to be honest. Great job! 

[IndelibleJester]

You know Bioware, if your game wasn't so awesome in the first place, we wouldn't be having this issue.

[OMTING52601]

SkaldFish wrote...
* Those who have so quickly invoked the notion that the public is wrong to evaluate or criticize or suggest (even demand) changes to a "creative work" like ME3 have clearly never been artists or writers. I have an undergraduate degree in art. From day one, it was hammered into us that criticism is the single most valuable gift an artist can receive. Once you've sat through a few hundred critique sessions during which your professors and peers excoriate your work, you begin to develop a thick skin -- and to understand that an artist who cannot graciously accept and respond to criticism -- no matter how harsh -- cannot grow or improve. Literary agents, editors, and publishers provide the same essential training to novelists. This prepares creators of art or literature for the final gauntlet -- the public. It would likely surprise those who feel the need to speak out on behalf of poor artists who are being "unfairly criticized" that Renaissance masters considered it to be not the right but the responsibility of the public -- in their case made up primarily of illiterate peasants -- to critically evaluate their work. How could they believe such a thing? Simple. They understood who their art was for.

Today, we more commonly hear retorts like "what gives you the right to criticize my work?" or "how dare you suggest that I change my personal creative expression!!" My, how things change...

I'd say they haven't changed that far, ROFL. I went through exactly what you're talking about when I published my first book. And my second, and my third, etc, etc, etc. I know plenty of authors who can't handle criticism and I understand why, but I also know they don't last long. I take what I can from criticism and try to make myself a better writer. I think anyone who wants to be successful in a creative medium has to do that. IMO, YMMV, and FWIW.

[DrNegative]

IndelibleJester wrote...

You know Bioware, if your game wasn't so awesome in the first place, we wouldn't be having this issue.

QFT

[Jackal7713]

THX-1136 wrote...

IG Daily talked about the petition today.

Brings up a good example: Fallout 3--people hated the ending where you were forced to die and so with DLC you could survive the radiation. The possibilities...

Well with stocks down and all this media about the movement,  we have caused waves across the net!
Therefore, WE MUST HOLD THE LINE!

[DifferentD17]

To the IGN guy, tell your friends to stop complaining about the Vita then. PSVita basically lied about a free month and game with 3G, but you actually had to buy a month before you got one game and month free.

www.youtube.com/watch

[DirtyBird627]

IndelibleJester wrote...

You know Bioware, if your game wasn't so awesome in the first place, we wouldn't be having this issue.

That's the real issue isn't it, the ending isn't just unworthy of the fans, its unworthy of the series and of Bioware itself.

[Larask]

THX-1136 wrote...

IG Daily talked about the petition today.

Brings up a good example: Fallout 3--people hated the ending where you were forced to die and so with DLC you could survive the radiation. The possibilities...

Nice point that you brought it up. Too sad that we will most likely have to pay as they mention, but if it will give me ME back then I won't have a choice honestly. 

[mauro2222]

Shepard: Will the reapers obey me?
God Child: Misa, yes... I mean yes.
Shepard: Then, I think I made my choice... wait a second.
God Child: What's wrong Ani?
Shepard: ... oh no! This can't be. You are... YOU ARE!
God Child: Misa Jar Jar Binks!!!

[revaew]

DifferentD17 wrote...

I thought this was so funny. The plot of ME is basically the plot of Gurren Lagann.

www.youtube.com/watch

do you ever sleep? its like you comment on almost every page....I wish i had your line holding stamina

[Jackal7713]

mauro2222 wrote...

Shepard: Will the reapers obey me?
God Child: Misa, yes... I mean yes.
Shepard: Then, I think I made my choice... wait a second.
God Child: What's wrong Ani?
Shepard: ... oh no! This can't be. You are... YOU ARE!
God Child: Misa Jar Jar Binks!!!

Oh God shoot it. SHOOT IT!

[Reconjr]

This does not make sense!

[Darkspazztic]

Jackal7713 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Shepard: Will the reapers obey me?
God Child: Misa, yes... I mean yes.
Shepard: Then, I think I made my choice... wait a second.
God Child: What's wrong Ani?
Shepard: ... oh no! This can't be. You are... YOU ARE!
God Child: Misa Jar Jar Binks!!!

Oh God shoot it. SHOOT IT!

KILL IT WITH FIRE!

[DifferentD17]

revaew wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I thought this was so funny. The plot of ME is basically the plot of Gurren Lagann.

www.youtube.com/watch

do you ever sleep? its like you comment on almost every page....I wish i had your line holding stamina

lol I sleep you just won't be able to tell...

"You all know the mission, and what is at stake.

I have come to trust each of you with my life -- but I have also heard murmurs of discontent. I share your concerns.

We are trained for espionage; we would be legends, but the records are sealed. Glory in battle is not our way.

Think of our heroes; the Silent Step, who defeated a nation with a
single shot. Or the Ever Alert, who kept armies at bay with hidden
facts.

These giants do not seem to give us solace here, but they are not all that we are.

Before the network, there was the fleet. Before diplomacy, there were soldiers!

Our influence stopped the rachni, but before that we held the line!

Our influence stopped the krogan, but before that, we held the line!

Our influence will stop Saren; in the battle today, we will hold the line!”

[People4Peace]

I have a question about the suicide charge - death beam run. Do your squad mates die? I've heard conflicting things so I was just wondering if anyone on here knew the answer...or is it just another plot hole? Since this is apparently the scene they "teleport" magically to the Normandy...

Cause if they die (even if they some how make it back on the Normandy) I want to bring squad mates I don't care too much about...

Modifié par People4Peace, 13 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[illutian]

revaew wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I thought this was so funny. The plot of ME is basically the plot of Gurren Lagann.

www.youtube.com/watch

do you ever sleep? its like you comment on almost every page....I wish i had your line holding stamina

It's part of the Shepard Strike's special ability.

[IndelibleJester]

People4Peace wrote...

I have a question about the suicide charge - death beam run. Do your squad mates die? I've heard conflicting things so I was just wondering if anyone on here knew the answer...or is it just another plot hole? Since this is apparently the scene they "teleport" magically to the Normandy...

Cause if they die (even if they some how make it back on the Normandy) I want to bring squad mates I don't care too much about...

Depends on war assets whether you see their dead bodies or not.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

TheFoxBlade wrote...

This reminds me of the "Deception" Crisis of 2012, the whole interweb coming together to rectify problems with inconsistencies at the cost of our sanity, probably, it's like we are all a bunch of superheroes with the power teacher-like perception. Hold the line. It worked last time.

This actually makes me feel a little better: we'll probably at least get an apology.

They did it with Deception.

Of course that was someone else's work...