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[Capeo]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

kingsims wrote...

There should be an ending where the Normandy crashes with Garrus, Tali, Liara, EDI, Prothy, Vega, Ash/Kaiden with Shepard making it as well (The galaxy is still badly destroyed only 5% survive and the mass relays are all destroyed) but shepard and his crew made it. (I don't understand why this ending is not in the game)

Death seems like the best option for shepard with the current endings (This will probably be the correct choice for paragon players) the forever alone ending seems like the worst ending.

  



It has nothing to do with paragon or renegade choices . The endings all in end death

Well, strictly speaking Shepard survives three endings.  Two he's trapped in the Citadel forever though, replacing the Guardian from the sound of it.  Only one seems to leave him alive but still stranded away from his crew.

[Icinix]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

wait a second? didn't i see a thread a couple weeks ago talking about a dues ex machina talking about how the reapers where not threatening enough? Correct me if i am wrong

Actually - the Reapers are even less threatening - and they've lost a lot of what has made them the awesome evil beings they were in ME1 and ME2 - now they're just another big bad created robot race.

The issue here is oddly enough, nothing to do with the Reapers but the way in which they're stopped.

You basically have an arrival choice - no matter what you choose - the outcome is the same.  This applies to your readiness, your assets, your choices.  The only thing that really changes is you (the gamers) personal reasoning for choosing one of 3 choices. All three choices in very broad generic terms - put the whole galaxy back to square one.

[Sporothrix]

incinerator950 wrote...

It's amazing how you people paint Shepard as someone who can't cope with loss, and have no survival intentions or instincts on Earth.

Shepard /= You

LOL! It's fictional character. Fictional customisable character which we control. Of course people identify with her or him. So it seems like you're just coming with more and more nonsensical excuses for bad writing.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

It just wasn't needed. This would have been fine.

Ending where Shepard either retires with his love interest (if you try really really hard) but there are consequences to this and a lot of people die, Shepard sacrifices himself but considerably less people die (i.e selfless choice)

With variations like saving / losing the normany crew and civilisations inbetween.

Honestly I think most people would want that, than this cruel ending.

Easy to make a Mass Effect game after Mass Effect 3 because you'd simply jump it 1000 years in the future or something, show how life has evolved since - make it that the relays were replaced either way by other means of travel. Or simply go with a canon ending (since at that point it wouldn't matter).

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Capeo wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

kingsims wrote...

There should be an ending where the Normandy crashes with Garrus, Tali, Liara, EDI, Prothy, Vega, Ash/Kaiden with Shepard making it as well (The galaxy is still badly destroyed only 5% survive and the mass relays are all destroyed) but shepard and his crew made it. (I don't understand why this ending is not in the game)

Death seems like the best option for shepard with the current endings (This will probably be the correct choice for paragon players) the forever alone ending seems like the worst ending.

  



It has nothing to do with paragon or renegade choices . The endings all in end death

Well, strictly speaking Shepard survives three endings.  Two he's trapped in the Citadel forever though, replacing the Guardian from the sound of it.  Only one seems to leave him alive but still stranded away from his crew.

Honestly, because I knew most endings would suck, I was almost hoping that Walters/Hudson/whoever would pull an Akira Toriyama from Dragonball where he essentially said "You know what, since no ending will be plausible anyway, **** it, the powers-that-be are giving Goku god-powers for all eternity, have a great day for being loyal to this character, everyone!"

Just to please the masses.

[CerberusSoldier]

Capeo wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

kingsims wrote...

There should be an ending where the Normandy crashes with Garrus, Tali, Liara, EDI, Prothy, Vega, Ash/Kaiden with Shepard making it as well (The galaxy is still badly destroyed only 5% survive and the mass relays are all destroyed) but shepard and his crew made it. (I don't understand why this ending is not in the game)

Death seems like the best option for shepard with the current endings (This will probably be the correct choice for paragon players) the forever alone ending seems like the worst ending.

  



It has nothing to do with paragon or renegade choices . The endings all in end death

Well, strictly speaking Shepard survives three endings.  Two he's trapped in the Citadel forever though, replacing the Guardian from the sound of it.  Only one seems to leave him alive but still stranded away from his crew.

  



Then he or she might as well be dead because being a live and alone is even worse

[AkiKishi]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

kingsims wrote...

There should be an ending where the Normandy crashes with Garrus, Tali, Liara, EDI, Prothy, Vega, Ash/Kaiden with Shepard making it as well (The galaxy is still badly destroyed only 5% survive and the mass relays are all destroyed) but shepard and his crew made it. (I don't understand why this ending is not in the game)

Death seems like the best option for shepard with the current endings (This will probably be the correct choice for paragon players) the forever alone ending seems like the worst ending.

  



It has nothing to do with paragon or renegade choices . The endings all in end death

Well, strictly speaking Shepard survives three endings.  Two he's trapped in the Citadel forever though, replacing the Guardian from the sound of it.  Only one seems to leave him alive but still stranded away from his crew.

  



Then he or she might as well be dead because being a live and alone is even worse

That's a very Captain America ending.

[E-Type XR]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

It just wasn't needed. This would have been fine.

Ending where Shepard either retires with his love interest (if you try really really hard) but there are consequences to this and a lot of people die, Shepard sacrifices himself but considerably less people die (i.e selfless choice)

With variations like saving / losing the normany crew and civilisations inbetween.

Honestly I think most people would want that, than this cruel ending.

Easy to make a Mass Effect game after Mass Effect 3 because you'd simply jump it 1000 years in the future or something, show how life has evolved since - make it that the relays were replaced either way by other means of travel. Or simply go with a canon ending (since at that point it wouldn't matter).

Or, BioWare has decided to create an IP with only 30 years to choose from. Essentially, the only period that they can realistically maike games in from hte First Contact War (it wouldn't sell if it didn't feature humans) till the end of ME3. OR they give them sleves 30, then a a few million, maybe billion year gap for everything to be rebuilt.

[DragonRageGT]

Quick question:

Are all these assumptions about the ending based on the leaked scripted posted in some Russian website long ago? Or is there anything new after that?

[xrudix]

Well, poor written endings were obvious. After I found out that no matter what you did, you will start on earth with trial, which was cut, even if you were playing pro cerberus.

[incinerator950]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

kingsims wrote...

There should be an ending where the Normandy crashes with Garrus, Tali, Liara, EDI, Prothy, Vega, Ash/Kaiden with Shepard making it as well (The galaxy is still badly destroyed only 5% survive and the mass relays are all destroyed) but shepard and his crew made it. (I don't understand why this ending is not in the game)

Death seems like the best option for shepard with the current endings (This will probably be the correct choice for paragon players) the forever alone ending seems like the worst ending.

  



It has nothing to do with paragon or renegade choices . The endings all in end death

Well, strictly speaking Shepard survives three endings.  Two he's trapped in the Citadel forever though, replacing the Guardian from the sound of it.  Only one seems to leave him alive but still stranded away from his crew.

  



Then he or she might as well be dead because being a live and alone is even worse

I hope you bring a gun with one round if you ever survive an ad hoc crash or get stranded.

[CptData]

Somehow I started to call the entire ending stuff dealing with the Normandy the ...

Masspull
Basically a new trope similar (also in an opposite way) to the "Asspull trope" but it has to be done like in ME3:
Regardless of whatever happened before a certain point in the story, at that very point there's a tiny plot happening no one was expecting. That very plot is pretty much useless in the big picture, but it spoils the main plot to a point it's no longer enjoyable.

Since this happens in Bioware's Mass Effect 3, it's called a "Masspull".

Modifié par CptData, 29 février 2012 - 01:26 .

[xrudix]

DragonRageGT wrote...

Quick question:

Are all these assumptions about the ending based on the leaked scripted posted in some Russian website long ago? Or is there anything new after that?

This is from strategy guide and from people, who has space edition of mass effect and already finished it.

[tasca1180]

I really don't understand what the writers were thinking. They know how attached people are to their LIs and the squad. For many people (not everyone, obviously, but myself included) the whole development of relationships was the biggest draw to this series.

So why could they not let the Normandy crash on earth? That way, you'd have one (difficult to achive) ending in which Shepard survives on earth and can meet the others again. The relays will still be blown and everyone is set back to the middle ages.

I simply don't get how anyone could think that the way they handled the endings is a good idea.

[nightcobra]

bioware: this time every action shepard takes affects the outcome more than ever.

Costumer: great, what are the outcomes?

Bioware:
Shepard dies
Shepard gets stranded forever alone
Normandy blows up
Crew gets stranded in an unknown planet

Pick your poison.



Customer: is there a happier ending?

Bioware: there is a ....secret ending

Customer: which is?

Bioware: shepard merges with a reaper and the cycle begins anew.

Customer: oh F* Off.

Bioware: *troll face* u mad?

[Elegana]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

bioware: this time every action shepard takes affects the outcome more than ever.

Costumer: great, what are the outcomes?

Bioware:
Shepard dies
Shepard gets stranded forever alone
Normandy blows up
Crew gets stranded in an unknown planet

Pick your poison.



Customer: is there a happier ending?

Bioware: there is a ....secret ending

Customer: which is?

Bioware: shepard merges with a reaper and the cycle begins anew.

Customer: oh F* Off.

Bioware: *troll face* u mad?

I thought Merge wasn't a secret ending, but rather, one of the 3 choices but Merge is harder to achieve.

[ratzerman]

So I see this wasn't just a bad dream I was having last night.

[CerberusSoldier]

tasca1180 wrote...

I really don't understand what the writers were thinking. They know how attached people are to their LIs and the squad. For many people (not everyone, obviously, but myself included) the whole development of relationships was the biggest draw to this series.

So why could they not let the Normandy crash on earth? That way, you'd have one (difficult to achive) ending in which Shepard survives on earth and can meet the others again. The relays will still be blown and everyone is set back to the middle ages.

I simply don't get how anyone could think that the way they handled the endings is a good idea.

  


If you thought the endings were bad . then I guess finding out that thet turned TIM into Saren 2.0 and even give him the same exact end of you can kill him or force him to kill himself

[DifferentD17]

I don't know why my Shep wouldn't be psychologically unstable, He/she has kicked ass and he/she has only had one real casualty.

[CerberusSoldier]

ratzerman wrote...

So I see this wasn't just a bad dream I was having last night.

  

Oh no a few dozen threads being closed and all Bioware can say is the endings are being discussed in this thread . So guess what that means they are real

[CerberusSoldier]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Icinix wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

wait a second? didn't i see a thread a couple weeks ago talking about a dues ex machina talking about how the reapers where not threatening enough? Correct me if i am wrong

Actually - the Reapers are even less threatening - and they've lost a lot of what has made them the awesome evil beings they were in ME1 and ME2 - now they're just another big bad created robot race.

The issue here is oddly enough, nothing to do with the Reapers but the way in which they're stopped.

You basically have an arrival choice - no matter what you choose - the outcome is the same.  This applies to your readiness, your assets, your choices.  The only thing that really changes is you (the gamers) personal reasoning for choosing one of 3 choices. All three choices in very broad generic terms - put the whole galaxy back to square one.

I don't know about everyone but i like the endings. :/ I feel a story like this does not deserve a happy ending. I understand why people are mad but from my perspective this endings are actually great for my shepard. My shepards have always been created with a very complicated and messed up mind state. I got into mass effect 2 thinking wow my shep's psychological state is pretty bad right now. When they announced ME3 i actually *not a sadist* but wanted my shep to die but save the galaxy or something in those terms. Accompained by the mansell music the endings i have read seem like they are the perfect endings for my sheps....I might get ahead of myself but its almost beautiful....i know im weird but that is just how i feel.  




well then I guess you will have fun. The ending is god awful

[nightcobra]

@elegana, i'll go with the excuse that typing with a cellphone is hard enough(in my model there the edit button is unusable)

[Icinix]

Funny enough I think the Fable 2 end game choice would have been the best way to approach the whole ending. Personally I would have rather have seen these three miserable endings.

1) You can take destroy them - but in doing so - you'll sacrifice yourself, the Normandy a good chunk of the fleets etc - but the Relays and general galaxy is intact.

2) You can merge the synthetic with the organic - eternal life for all in the galaxy - but at the cost of the relays and any real individuality of person - although since you have eternal life, travelling between worlds and being permanently connected with everyone else in the galaxy makes isolation a moot point.

3) The Crucible is able to emit a pulse and fire the relays simultaneoulsy - removing the Reaper threat - but the pulse also makes the relays inert, but the fleet, Shep and the Normandy are all on Earth and all alive - but the worlds of the Galaxy are isolated from each other.

Just my thoughts.

[Icinix]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Icinix wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

wait a second? didn't i see a thread a couple weeks ago talking about a dues ex machina talking about how the reapers where not threatening enough? Correct me if i am wrong

Actually - the Reapers are even less threatening - and they've lost a lot of what has made them the awesome evil beings they were in ME1 and ME2 - now they're just another big bad created robot race.

The issue here is oddly enough, nothing to do with the Reapers but the way in which they're stopped.

You basically have an arrival choice - no matter what you choose - the outcome is the same.  This applies to your readiness, your assets, your choices.  The only thing that really changes is you (the gamers) personal reasoning for choosing one of 3 choices. All three choices in very broad generic terms - put the whole galaxy back to square one.

I don't know about everyone but i like the endings. :/ I feel a story like this does not deserve a happy ending. I understand why people are mad but from my perspective this endings are actually great for my shepard. My shepards have always been created with a very complicated and messed up mind state. I got into mass effect 2 thinking wow my shep's psychological state is pretty bad right now. When they announced ME3 i actually *not a sadist* but wanted my shep to die but save the galaxy or something in those terms. Accompained by the mansell music the endings i have read seem like they are the perfect endings for my sheps....I might get ahead of myself but its almost beautiful....i know im weird but that is just how i feel.

Oh sorry you misunderstand - I have no issue with the ending.

I have issue with the fact its the same ending no matter what we choose.