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[TheRealMithril]

The server is getting slow. I bet they never had this much traffic before.

[THX-1136]

Andyrew_ wrote...

I'm probably going to get flamed or ignored but the question now is how will 270,000 people stand up and admit that they may have misunderstood the ending?

Hmm I'm convinced right now... so I'll go ahead and say "I was wrong about the ending"

Though, I never rejected it. I really like the self-sacrifice scenes--beautifully done, really really powerful. But I will say that:

1) the whole lost on a jungle planet is still a weird thing to end on even with indoctrination, and that

2) if it was really only a 'half-ending', meaning the war with the reapers is not yet finished, like the indoctrination theory suggests, that's also kind of frustrating...it means that the series didn't get a proper conclusion

Modifié par THX-1136, 13 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Gowienczyk]

Prince Lex wrote...

Guys, I've read the theory and watched the videos on the indoctrination theory, and I like it (the theory, not the "ending"). With that breathing scene and the poetic paragon/renegade switcheroo, it actually makes sense.

However, just so I'm clear on this, that would mean that the scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson never happened right? Because Shep gets knocked out before he gets to the beam?

This makes it seem unlikely to me, the scenes with Anderson and the Illusive man doesn't seem to fit with "it was a dream".

Anderson represents Shepard's conscience. TIM represents Shepard's "devils advocate", his/her fears about the reapers and also represents as Harbinger's first attempt to change Shepard's mind in the "vision".

the whole lost on a jungle planet is still a weird thing to end on even with indoctrination,

It is Shepard's conscience thinking idly on the people he/she cares about, or could be percieved as those individuals trying to wake Shepard up from his/her unconscious state.

Modifié par Gowienczyk, 13 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Ziajin]

Benathorn wrote...

Andyrew_ wrote...

When the press statement hits, let me know and i will join in

LPKerberos wrote...

Andyrew_ wrote...

I'm probably going to get flamed or ignored but the question now is how will 270,000 people stand up and admit that they may have misunderstood the ending?

The same as we started the storm with. A thread. I will gladly open a thread that is dedicated to an excuse to Bioware for misstrusting them like this. People can join if they want.

I would join this as well. Bioware deserves an apology ,if this turns out to be their original plan, and I would gladly give them one.

Sadly, I wouldn't apologise. Then again, I havn't been flaming BioWare for this at all. I'm extremely disappointed in them for all of this. Even if it IS a misunderstanding and that this WAS their original plan to shove us into a dark room without a flashlight after giving us a super amazing one and then taking it away. But only to give it to us later. I still won't apologise. It's not good tactics to do that. They said this game would be the "Epic conclusion" to Shepards story. There was very little epic about it.

They hyped us with letting us (think) that all the decisions, friends, and connections we made throughout the trilogy would come into fruition in the end, and it (slightly) did, but not to the extent that it was hyped up to be, especially at the very, very end of the game. So, no, no apology. Especially if they're purposely keeping us in the dark.

[Thermorium]

Prince Lex wrote...

Guys, I've read the theory and watched the videos on the indoctrination theory, and I like it (the theory, not the "ending"). With that breathing scene and the poetic paragon/renegade switcheroo, it actually makes sense.

However, just so I'm clear on this, that would mean that the scene with the Illusive Man and Anderson never happened right? Because Shep gets knocked out before he gets to the beam?

This makes it seem unlikely to me, the scenes with Anderson and the Illusive man doesn't seem to fit with "it was a dream".

Depends, i guess. If the indoctrination theory is correct, killing Anderson in the sequence coujld drastically lower shepard resolve in fighting the reapers/indoctrination. Just my 2 cents, and i might be making things up now =P

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

The hallucination ending just all makes sense... as much as I do/do not want to admit it. If true, BioWare is so damn sneaky.

[garf]

Benathorn wrote...

Andyrew_ wrote...

When the press statement hits, let me know and i will join in

LPKerberos wrote...

Andyrew_ wrote...

I'm probably going to get flamed or ignored but the question now is how will 270,000 people stand up and admit that they may have misunderstood the ending?

The same as we started the storm with. A thread. I will gladly open a thread that is dedicated to an excuse to Bioware for misstrusting them like this. People can join if they want.

I would join this as well. Bioware deserves an apology ,if this turns out to be their original plan, and I would gladly give them one.

I M O They don't. If it's true they sucessfully trolled me. I might be gracious enough to offer a return apology if they were to admit that attempting to troll their customers was a BAD IDEA.  Come on Really? it's like the fan video sent to that talk show host where he has his viewers  give their kids a half eaten sandwich for a christmas present.

[Andyrew_]

I've read quite a few posts on here, I was one of them and correct me if im wrong but the majority seem to think that this "was the ending",  that these three options are the end game and are asking what happens next, the answer to this is that we don't know and it isn't told in this game.

There are other perfectly legit questions coming up outside this and whilst the delivery may be been a little bold, added by the complication that this was said to be the last one, may have led down this path.

They could have ended it here but lets face it, we want more Mass Effect and looking at it from this angle, the ending will most likely be something EPIC and something that cannot be expressed in the last ten minutes.

LetheAlethe wrote...

Andyrew_ wrote...

I'm probably going to get flamed or ignored but the question now is how will 270,000 people stand up and admit that they may have misunderstood the ending?

For one, I don't think they did, they just don't like it.

And for two, if 270.000 people really misunderstood it, they're doing it wrong. (and by they, I mean the writers)

[Ziajin]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

The hallucination ending just all makes sense... as much as I do/do not want to admit it. If true, BioWare is so damn sneaky.

Yeah, the hallucination and/or indoctrination theories make the most sense. There's a bunch of videos getting put on youtube with peoples ideas and evidence that helps support them. There's a link on here that shows a guy explaining the indoctrination theory, which is IMO close.

Basically the hallucination and indoctrination theories go relatively hand in hand.

[Khran1505]

For shame, BioWare. For shame.

[illutian]

 I hesitate to post this because this thread goes so fast. So I'll probably repost this in a separate topic.
But I'm sitting here with my toast again...and...I just came up with some stuff of how Bioware should have handled some of the things for ME3.
First off I just say wouldn't have used 'stock photos' "as is". I have no problems with artists using photos as references to get ideas; I do it all the time.
With that...
I would have held a contest for "what you think Tali would look like". I say would, because it should make you think "it won't be in game"; though the Tali-fans would think opposite.
I would say that when you submit your fanart you agree that Bioware and/or EA may use your image in promotional events; NOT ONCE MENTIONING THAT IT C/WOULD BE USED IN THE GAME.
I would have the studio artist(s) use that fanart and HEAVILY base a FROM SCRATCH photo of Tali to put in that picture frame we see. I would have had the 3D department animate Shep in such a way as to have one of the lights in the Model Display Case wash out the photo (glare) enough that you can't make out the face.
I would have said frame be one of those frames that can record a short message, this way you'll know it's your Love Interest based on the recording.
THEREFORE! Bioware gets to rib us by showing us what Tali looks like without actually showing us what she looks like. After all...we didn't say it had to be clearly shown 

After it made it onto the forums either by a Bioware Agent starting a thread and another one coming in to point out how it's a shame a display case light didn't burn out, have one of the CMs come into said thread, quote said post and state how us Tali fans should play through it again...there's a small surprise for "you".

I would then have the Coders setup the game so you can Import a ME2 character and a ME3 character (for New Game+), with the ME3 import caring over weapons and some amount of War Asset Points (Galactic Readiness and Total Military Whatchamacallit). And, of course, who you had as your Love Interest.

If said LI was Tali then during that scene with the photograph a bulb does infact burn out, with Shep saying "damn bulb burned out" (head tilted toward bulb). Freeze there with the Dialog Wheel with only one option (as an action the [insert some text] format) [Set picture down]. When you set the picture down the screen goes black with a special thank you message stating how it was a privileage to have you as fans *yadda yadda*. That also includes credit to the original winner and a link (if doable) to the source image. And "Press Any Key to Continue". Followed by the fade to black and fade in to "player control mode".

Bing badda boom

That is how you thank your fans

Link to Topic: 
http://social.biowar...5/index/9861750 

Modifié par Ivon, 13 mars 2012 - 10:40 .

[Matt_gekko88]

Morning,

anything new on the BW-Front?

[alienman]

Hey guys.

Just a question for all of you.

I know many of you think, or hope there will be a dlc that will have a real / changed ending. I'm fine with that, because as most of you I really disliked the ending. It actually made me a little depressed. My girlfriend has been wondering what's up with me... hehe.. anyway.

My question is; Would you really be willing to pay for a better ending? I mean, to me, this seems worse than offering a 1 day dlc, or even having the dlc on the disc. And if the illusion theory is right it makes it even more "evil". Like it was a business plan all along, to get us this worked up so we will be willing to pay for this dlc.

If they released the dlc for free, I would download it and play if of course, and hoping for a better and logical ending. But if they are forcing us to buy it to experience it I will make my stand here. It just cheapens the whole experience, and it would actually make me feel bad about myself. Falling for a business scheme like this.

I don't want to judge people that are willing to buy it, because you do as you want with your money. For me personally it would cheapen the whole ME experience. If EA was allowed to get away with this... think about what kind of crap this opens up for other game companies.

[Stooshorama]

Long time forum lurker here.
Massively disappointed int he ending as are we all, and sheparding a small, flickering, lambent flame of hope deep in my soul that this was all just a bad dream.
In the shadows.
Holding the line.

[Ziajin]

Andryrew_ I don't think the majority of the people "think that that was the ending" You also have to think that a lot of people have only bought ME3 and ONLY played ME3. They never played ME1 and 2. A lot of us on this RetakeME3 movement have played that, and to see all of our time, our connection with our characters, the LI's and our friends, and seeing NONE of that really come together and to closure in the end, makes it quite visibly, not the actual end.

Now, if I had only played ME3, and JUST that. I could see myself thinking that it's the end. I don't have the connection to all the characters and progression from the other games. So yeah, the ending would fit fine for that. But the veterans basically got shafted with the endings that were presented to us.

None of our choices in the end either 1) mattered or 2) came to closure. (Especially the LI's which was a huge driving force in the games).

Just sayin.

[Bionic Weapon]

So was that a no then? ( regarding question I asked on previous page)

[Ziajin]

thomash81 wrote...

Hey guys.

Just a question for all of you.

I know many of you think, or hope there will be a dlc that will have a real / changed ending. I'm fine with that, because as most of you I really disliked the ending. It actually made me a little depressed. My girlfriend has been wondering what's up with me... hehe.. anyway.

My question is; Would you really be willing to pay for a better ending? I mean, to me, this seems worse than offering a 1 day dlc, or even having the dlc on the disc. And if the illusion theory is right it makes it even more "evil". Like it was a business plan all along, to get us this worked up so we will be willing to pay for this dlc.

If they released the dlc for free, I would download it and play if of course, and hoping for a better and logical ending. But if they are forcing us to buy it to experience it I will make my stand here. It just cheapens the whole experience, and it would actually make me feel bad about myself. Falling for a business scheme like this.

I don't want to judge people that are willing to buy it, because you do as you want with your money. For me personally it would cheapen the whole ME experience. If EA was allowed to get away with this... think about what kind of crap this opens up for other game companies.

To sum it all up. Yes, I would (guiltily) buy the DLC to get my closure, and happy ending with my LI especially.

[Ziajin]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Morning,

anything new on the BW-Front?

Nope, not really. More new vids on youtube with evidence and explanations that (may) point to a DLC, etc. As well as supporting theories. But other than that, no word from BW or anything.

[Sterenn]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

So was that a no then? ( regarding question I asked on previous page)

No news except a cryptic response on Mass Effect 2 facebook page asking us to keep commenting.

[Prince Lex]

Gowienczyk wrote...

Anderson represents Shepard's conscience. TIM represents Shepard's "devils advocate", his/her fears about the reapers and also represents as Harbinger's first attempt to change Shepard's mind in the "vision".

OK, I think I can swallow that. It's better than crying and being unable to focus on anything. I thought it was weird that anyone else was in the citadel anyway, since as I recall no one made it to the beam.

However, accepting this means that the two crew members you took with you were almost definitely dead right? I never understood this because I took Kaidan with me and he got off the ship with Joker and EDI. 

If the two you take with you definitely die, it's Javik and Vega all the way.

[TheRealMithril]

The question is this. If they are being sneaky, how much did that little bit of 'fun' cost them? I am certainly not enjoying my immersion in the game being ripped apart. It would require a lot from them to bring back the love I once had for ME. I haven't touched the game for several days now. I stopped caring about it. Good work, that was really... hmm.. 'fun'. Thanks for ruining it.

Next time you decide to play the psychological cliffhanger, do it ingame, not game to dlc. This have hurt you bad as well.

[Kezza]

RemorseLessXx wrote...

Yea alot of people are not looking at that video. Im glad you did try to spread it around people need to stop being so negative.

Andyrew_ wrote...

Thanks for the link, its a good explanation and I feel like such a dope.

RemorseLessXx wrote...

Andyrew_ wrote...

I've just stumbled across this in another thread, i'm not sure if its been posted here, but



Cannot believe I missed this.... !

Should watch this video as well

I must admit that I hadn't seen this until today and I must admit I like it

[RemorseLessXx]

I think it said was only made 13 hours ago so that may of been why.

Kezza wrote...

RemorseLessXx wrote...

Yea alot of people are not looking at that video. Im glad you did try to spread it around people need to stop being so negative.

Andyrew_ wrote...

Thanks for the link, its a good explanation and I feel like such a dope.

RemorseLessXx wrote...

Andyrew_ wrote...

I've just stumbled across this in another thread, i'm not sure if its been posted here, but



Cannot believe I missed this.... !

Should watch this video as well

I must admit that I hadn't seen this until today and I must admit I like it

[illutian]

TheRealMithril wrote...

The question is this. If they are being sneaky, how much did that little bit of 'fun' cost them? I am certainly not enjoying my immersion in the game being ripped apart. It would require a lot from them to bring back the love I once had for ME. I haven't touched the game for several days now. I stopped caring about it. Good work, that was really... hmm.. 'fun'. Thanks for ruining it.

Next time you decide to play the psychological cliffhanger, do it ingame, not game to dlc. This have hurt you bad as well.

Yep, it's the old adage "took the joke to far".

[Denethar]

Several of Sweden's biggest stores has lowered the price by 7-12 dollars (conversion rate makes it look a bit odd in amount). Not sure if Bioware cares about that at all, but still....it's something.