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[Zhijn]

Rothgar49 wrote...

BaileysChick wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ood-business/2/ Yet another article

It's nice to know that some journalists do get it, unlike IGN, Kotaku etc...

Well worth the read.

[Kloborgg711]

MintyCool wrote...

In the end 95 percent of you will continue to fester on this forum and buy the next Bioware product.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213

Thanks for your helpful input. Have a nice day.

[Pinkflu]

Just donated $35 to Child's Play. I wonder if any of the press who have been attacking us will report on this movement. Probably not. They'd much rather simply portray us as a bunch of selfish, spoiled whiners. Their problem.

[Aedera]

Just tweeted the amount to Hudson and gamble...though now they may know my twitter handle and my bsn name. Bollocks.

[translationninja]

I think it's starting to work, Kotaku is changing the tune decidedly compared to the previous "Blah entitlement" rant:

http://kotaku.com/58...o-damn-terrible

[Nex_Legis]

ahtf wrote...

Sorry this I actually call spoiled. Sure complain about plotholes, or the lack of a ending, that is things that they should have fixed. But that you cant get exactly the ending you like?? Sure you can complain about that, but thinking that the company is horrible and demanding to get the ending you want is silly. Why not write a letter to whoever directed titanic and complain that the boat sunk.... 


The complains about the choices dosn't mather would also have been solved by actually telling what actually happened in the galaxy, with the krogans etc. 

I never said that I should be able to get exactly the ending I imagined as perfect. Just a rather "happy" one, a total sunshine ending is not possible anyway, considering how much Shepard, his crew and the galaxy lost (Mordin, Thessia, Palavan)... So there is always going to be a bitter part.

I just want diversion, and in my opinion just clarifying things would not suffice, we'd still be faced with an ending where our previous decisions never mattered.


EDIT: So my "little happyness request" is basically only a part of the "decisions don't matter" problem.

Modifié par Nex_Legis, 13 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[Matt_gekko88]

IndelibleJester wrote...

alberta wrote...

It is quite obvious Boiware has received advice from a trouble-shooting PR firm. I follow politics and am very familiar with the trouble-shooting PR firms strategy - which is - wait it out and the uproar will die out on it's own. 

The lead developer just retweeted someone bashing us.

Sigh. I don't mean that offensively, btw. Just bringing it to light.

What?  Link, please

[Game_Fan_85]

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Aside from the BS ending you what else I'm really mad at? That stupid stock horrible photoshop image they gave us of Tali. We have been wanting to see her since ME1 and all we get is a terrible Photoshop and no effort put in (the perfect time to show her face should have been when she took her mask off on Rannoch. But NOOOOO that'd be to easy and would actually respcet the fans.)

Heh, I thought the reveal was on Rannoch but because she did a swan dive in my game ( this Shepard will not miss her) I only saw the back of her head as she took the mask off.  I was waiting to open the art book after finishing 3 but I've had zero desire to do so after the ending...

[IndelibleJester]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

alberta wrote...

It is quite obvious Boiware has received advice from a trouble-shooting PR firm. I follow politics and am very familiar with the trouble-shooting PR firms strategy - which is - wait it out and the uproar will die out on it's own. 

The lead developer just retweeted someone bashing us.

Sigh. I don't mean that offensively, btw. Just bringing it to light.

What?  Link, please

https://twitter.com/#!/robinmayne 

[Tamcia]

Bad endings? We have dismissed that claim.

[ahtf]

Nex_Legis wrote...

ahtf wrote...

Sorry this I actually call spoiled. Sure complain about plotholes, or the lack of a ending, that is things that they should have fixed. But that you cant get exactly the ending you like?? Sure you can complain about that, but thinking that the company is horrible and demanding to get the ending you want is silly. Why not write a letter to whoever directed titanic and complain that the boat sunk.... 


The complains about the choices dosn't mather would also have been solved by actually telling what actually happened in the galaxy, with the krogans etc. 

I never said that I should be able to get exactly the ending I imagined as perfect. Just a rather "happy" one, a total sunshine ending is not possible anyway, considering how much Shepard, his crew and the galaxy lost (Mordin, Thessia, Palavan)... So there is always going to be a bitter part.

I just want diversion, and in my opinion just clarifying things would not suffice, we'd still be faced with an ending where our previous decisions never mattered.

of course your choices would matter, the galaxy looks different because of the choices you made = they mattered. 

The problem now is that the ending don't tell us a thing about what our choices led to= they didn't matter.

Demanding the right for a "happy" ending or rather "happy" i still think is spoiled. And the movie comparision still fits to that complaint.

Our choices should matter somehow, and we deserve to know how they matterd. But demanding that they should matter in a way you specifically want is just spoiled.

Modifié par ahtf, 13 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[Wolfgang_Ocelot]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Ok even if this is shepard being indoctrinated or whatever and the "true" ending is him taking that breath, this still is very sloppy on Biowares end.

The theory goes that if you chose to destroy the reapers, they could not complete the indoctrination and if there really was an expansion planned from the begining, it will continue from Shepard's breath.  The indoctrination took place in a dream state whilst he was knocked out in laying in rubble in London so none of it really happened.

As I said already if it was planned to be a 2 part game as a huge surprise, it would be one of the most amazing things ever but if that was the case I would have expected something indicating this.  If I had some kind of hint that the game was going to continue in an expansion (much much preferred to some short sh!tty DLC imho) it would have been breathtaking.

Again the more I think about it the more the indoctrination makes sense to me.  One thing I wondered when playing ME3 after realising early on that T.I.M had to be indoctrinated was how did Shepard avoid it all those years with all the contact he had with the Reapers and their minions?  All the exposure to multiple artifacts?  The Prothean beam we now know was not actually Prothean?  It would make sense.  Why oh why BioWare, if this is all true did you not tell us at the end?  If it was meant to end the way it did and Shep DID become indoctrinated, an epilogue telling us THAT would have been pretty fu**ing nice too.

and again this would be nice, but it should have been the ending. It should have been made to look like the ending and when shepard takes his breath he gets up and we continue on in the battle until the real ending comes along.

But the reason it's sloppy is because they ended it like this, probably knowing full well people would be mad and demanding dlc for the new endings so they could rake in the cash from us again. if so then they will like I said never see another dime from me again a loyal paying customer since 2006, and have been playing their games since 2002.

I started with bauldr's gate 2, and if they go this route then it will end with ME3 for me.

They better make their DLC pretty dam worth it.

[infinitekilan]

Nex_Legis wrote...

ahtf wrote...

Sorry this I actually call spoiled. Sure complain about plotholes, or the lack of a ending, that is things that they should have fixed. But that you cant get exactly the ending you like?? Sure you can complain about that, but thinking that the company is horrible and demanding to get the ending you want is silly. Why not write a letter to whoever directed titanic and complain that the boat sunk.... 


The complains about the choices dosn't mather would also have been solved by actually telling what actually happened in the galaxy, with the krogans etc. 

I never said that I should be able to get exactly the ending I imagined as perfect. Just a rather "happy" one, a total sunshine ending is not possible anyway, considering how much Shepard, his crew and the galaxy lost (Mordin, Thessia, Palavan)... So there is always going to be a bitter part.

I just want diversion, and in my opinion just clarifying things would not suffice, we'd still be faced with an ending where our previous decisions never mattered.

Spoiled? I hardly think so. Read the latest Forbes article. We shell out hard earned cash to the tune of $70 BILLION a year. It's not like people are just giving us these games out of the goodness of our hearts, and we're throwing a fit because it's not what we wanted. We pay for products they claim to be quality, and promise us so many things, then don't deliver on those promises. All we are asking is for them to keep true to their word.

[KHReborn]

Did anyone twittered them the forbes articels?

[TSC_1]

Just donated to Child's Play... and dropped Tycho from PA a link to the ChipIn page on Twitter.

[imelik]

USKnight25 wrote...

Ikalise wrote...
When one of us sees a new DLC or game from Bioware, many will remember the endings of ME3 and say, "no thanks, I do not want to get my hopes up again..."

The sad thing is, if they offered to fix this and I had to pay for it, my money is already theirs. Expansion, DLC, $10, $40... I'd pay it to see the ending Shepard and the Galaxy deserved. It would make these games live again, for me.

The other side of the coin is that if this was planned from the start, I hate them. If this is the legit ending, I hate them. Baldur's Gate to Mass Effect 3. It was great ride, Black Isle/Bioware.

I did my part, too bad you didn't do yours. Story I crafted... /spit

I am with you. If there is a Dlc to fix the ending, i will get it, paid or not. But if i have to pay for it i will not buy another BioWare game ever again. And that comes from someone who has KOTOR, DA:O (PC & 360), Jade Emprie, ME1 & ME2 (PC & 360) and ME3 (PC). All CE with most of the DLC. I ahve spent hundreds of hours on ME trilogy alone, plus the other games and because of the ening of this game and the way in witch they handle it can mean losing a fan of their games and the developers.



So Bioware, get your bloody act together !

[SassyJazRzmataz]

Keep holding the line guys. I'll check in after work.

[TSC_1]

Also, why are we "whiners"? I don't get it. Say you bought a car. You love that car... except the windshield wipers don't work. You go on the internet, and find out that 30,000 other people are complaining about the wipers. Would it be unreasonable for those people to ask the car company to fix the problem? Of course not - happens all the time. That's a part recall.

Why is this different? Because games have narrative and cars don't? Big deal. The customers are really unsatisfied. Seems like you want to correct that.

Modifié par TSC_1, 13 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[ahtf]

infinitekilan wrote...

Nex_Legis wrote...

ahtf wrote...

Sorry this I actually call spoiled. Sure complain about plotholes, or the lack of a ending, that is things that they should have fixed. But that you cant get exactly the ending you like?? Sure you can complain about that, but thinking that the company is horrible and demanding to get the ending you want is silly. Why not write a letter to whoever directed titanic and complain that the boat sunk.... 


The complains about the choices dosn't mather would also have been solved by actually telling what actually happened in the galaxy, with the krogans etc. 

I never said that I should be able to get exactly the ending I imagined as perfect. Just a rather "happy" one, a total sunshine ending is not possible anyway, considering how much Shepard, his crew and the galaxy lost (Mordin, Thessia, Palavan)... So there is always going to be a bitter part.

I just want diversion, and in my opinion just clarifying things would not suffice, we'd still be faced with an ending where our previous decisions never mattered.

Spoiled? I hardly think so. Read the latest Forbes article. We shell out hard earned cash to the tune of $70 BILLION a year. It's not like people are just giving us these games out of the goodness of our hearts, and we're throwing a fit because it's not what we wanted. We pay for products they claim to be quality, and promise us so many things, then don't deliver on those promises. All we are asking is for them to keep true to their word.

Did you even read my post? Or just one word. I think a lot of the complaints are correct. We should have gotten a ending that told us what our relations with our companions led to, how our choices affected the universe. What I think is a spoiled attitude is the demanding that we should be allowed to decide what the the choices led to good/bad etc..

[illutian]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

In the end 95 percent of you will continue to fester on this forum and buy the next Bioware product.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9870213

Thanks for your helpful input. Have a nice day.

They're right.

How many here would pay for a DLC that 'wraps things up'?

Not trolling in the least. But, they know you'll keep buying their stuff. I mean how many of you were urked about the Day 1 DLC, thought it was total BS to have to pay extra for 'presumably key story bits' (Prothean History).......and still bought that Collectors Edition (or should say finalized since you probably pre-ordered months ago like me ). Soon as they saw that, they knew it was 'go for launch' on charging extra for the ending.

[Nex_Legis]

ahtf wrote...

of course your choices would mather, the galaxy looks different because of the choices you made = they mathered. 

The problem now is that the ending don't tell us a thing about what our choices led to= they didn't mather.

The galaxy is different now, because I made decisions at all, but the galaxy is not different according to the choices I picked.
Just adding plot hole fixes where previous decisions do have an impact would still not be enough, as the current ending doesn't make sense in ME-terms.
If BioWare really wanted the space kid to be featured in the game, that's fine with me, but it should be possible to convince it, arguing with Geth/Quarians and Joker/EDI. Obviously that would only work if things actually turned out that way and would lead to the relatively "happy" ending I've imagined.

[RunicDragons]

I approve of this thread... as should everyone.

[RussianOrc]

was there any other gamer campaing like that before?

[djarlaks10]

I just finished the game, and... why the **** have I spent 30 hours of my life playing this ****? Can I pretend that ME3 didn't happen?

[Game_Fan_85]

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

and again this would be nice, but it should have been the ending. It should have been made to look like the ending and when shepard takes his breath he gets up and we continue on in the battle until the real ending comes along.

But the reason it's sloppy is because they ended it like this, probably knowing full well people would be mad and demanding dlc for the new endings so they could rake in the cash from us again. if so then they will like I said never see another dime from me again a loyal paying customer since 2006, and have been playing their games since 2002.

I started with bauldr's gate 2, and if they go this route then it will end with ME3 for me.

They better make their DLC pretty dam worth it.

I've already stated that if this horrid ending was all a ploy to sell the real ending as DLC I will be majorly pi**ed but if it was left that way only to have another game released in 6 months that continues, and again, this was the pkan all along, I will be happy.  It could have been the most amazing cliffhanger ending ever.  The thing that pi**ed me off more is that I know I will the "ploy" DLC if that scenario turns out to be true which then makes me a hypocrit for being so angry about it but I just can't let one of the most incredible gaming experiences I've had in 20 years die the way it has.  

If BioWare knew the pain and depression their ending caused, I wonder if they would do things differently?  Could they have misjudged just how precious our Mass Effect universe and companions are to us?