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[Wolfgang_Ocelot]

Cossack72 wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

I just finished the game, and... why the **** have I spent 30 hours of my life playing this ****? Can I pretend that ME3 didn't happen?

You can do what many others are doing for now:

Pretend the last 15 minutes didn't happen and make up your own Shepard's ending in your head.

It's sure as hell what I have been doing since I saw the ending.

[unclee]

As a reminder: Let's keep the insults aimed at Bioware to a minimum. If we devolve into what some of the gaming media has labeled us as then we are less likely to be taken seriously. Let's keep this cool.

Also, as a note, the game still has one more market to be released it. Once it hits Japan on the 15th we can probably expect some sort of statement. They're doing the right thing by not saying anything until the game is out everywhere. I know I stopped coming here and onto other ME related forums just before the games release but kept going to places like Joystiq and IGN. It'd suck for those in Japan if Bioware released a statement regarding the ending before they were able to get their hands on the game and experience it for themselves.

[B.Shep]

jerobolod wrote...

I finished Mass Effect 3 less than 24 hours ago. I've been to BSN a few times as a lurker but I've never actually posted anything here before. Heck I had to do a password recovery on my EA account to log in. Anyway, I didn't know where to post this and here seemed as good a place as any.

I'm from the UK, so I started playing ME3 on Friday. I was aware of a lot of stuff surrounding people not being happy with the ending of the game. I figured it was just people who were upset that ME3, and Mass Effect in general, was over. I didn't delve into it any further than "the end of the game sucks" because I didn't want to be spoiled. I'd just finished the mission on Rannoch when I noticed all of this and bawled my eyes out at the scene with Legion's sacrifice (still one of the most beautiful parts of any science-fiction I've ever experienced). How in the world could this game have that bad an ending, considering everything so far had been perfect? I chalked it up to fanboys whining.

Oh man, I'm so sorry guys. After the game was over I just sat for about an hour and looked at the screen. Watching Shepard stand in front of the galaxy map after the game had helpfully reminded me to buy the DLC that wasn't out yet. I couldn't process my own emotions, heck I still can't. I'm a writer and I'm sitting here feeling the need to get all of this out and I can't figure out how to say it.

I knew, like many other people having read the posts in the forum almost obsessively since yesterday, that there was probably no happy end for Shepard to be found here. I was okay with that to the extent that I could be. As long as the story provided closure, was emotionally satisfying and consistent to the Mass Effect universe as I had experienced it. But it was none of those things. Plot holes aside (and the whole thing is pretty much one, gigantic plot hole) I feel like my heart has been ripped out of my chest. It's not just a game, it's a living, breathing universe that I got to be a part of for five years. This was supposed to be the big finish, the epic ending to the best science-fiction saga of a generation. Instead I'm sitting here without a damn clue what just happened to the people I grew to care about, and what the hell happened to my Shepard who suddenly had a full personality shift when talking to the stupid little kid, or what happened to the world I helped shape, except that I doomed the galaxy with red space magic.

As far as I'm concerned, if there's no Epilogue-type DLC, my Mass Effect story ends with Shepard sitting in the best seats in the house, watching as the Crucible destroys the Reapers without dooming galactic civilisation, and no stupid Catalyst. So maybe I don't get to see Shepard and Liara have their blue baby girls, that's fine, because at least there is a future for everyone else. When I can possibly bring myself to do it, I'll figure something out to try and give myself some closure providing Bioware hasn't trolled me. And to be honest even if they have, it's pretty despicable of them to do that. They must know the trauma it was bound to cause.

What the hell Bioware!?! I defended you for all this time and THIS is how you repay me!?!

Anyway, that was pretty long. Dunno if anyone will read it but I felt like I needed to get it off my chest. None of my friends have finished Mass Effect 3 yet and I get the feeling that even if I warned them what was about to happen I doubt they'd believe me. Just like I didn't believe all the warnings before I finished it, the cycle cannot be broken. If you read all of this, thanks.

I'm going to go and find that hug thread I saw a few hours ago.

Welcome to the team my friend!
And don't forget to vote on the poll social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/

[Aedera]

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Sadly it seems the staff at Bioware want to sit on their hands and not answer our questions about why they did this to us. So far all we get is them saying we aren't smart enough to comprehend an ending that made no sense.

I don't recall bioware saying anything like that and to be honest, some level of patience is needed.  Game has been out a week.  I dislike the endings as much as everyone but let's try to keep a level head.

[Game_Fan_85]

IndelibleJester wrote...

My face through the end of ME3:



Thought that might cheer some people up.

Shouldn't the kid be balling its eyes out at the begining instead of smilling?

[USKnight25]

imelik wrote...


So Bioware, get your bloody act together !

Perfect link. Thank you for putting the words what I and many others feel.

Hold the Line!

[DifferentD17]

IndelibleJester wrote...

My face through the end of ME3:



Thought that might cheer some people up.

Lol it was just like that, except at the end it was Sheps face when he thought EDI forgot to recycle the air sometimes.

[K-J4y]

Do you think the developers, will respond if only enough poeple complaining?
When the indoctrination-theory proofs itselfs as right, i'd actually call BioWare gods of mind-twisting story telling. Or something like that.

I mean, the game is finished, whatsoever. We can't change it anymore.
Basically I do like the endings, but I also think the final cutscenes ain't the real end. IMO the end starts exactly at Thessia, since then the player isn't deciding major matters anymore. It comes down to all decisions you have made in all Mass Effect parts. These decions accompany the player till the meeting with the catalyst.
I just wanna say, anything is possible isn't it?

[tausra]

They are doing the "business as usual" sham. I would bet money there are people running around making frantic phone calls and trying to figure out what to do. EA has handled more than one controversy, and a likely running this one.

[Gallion33103]

IndelibleJester wrote...

My face through the end of ME3:



Thought that might cheer some people up.

Oh hell lol...thanks man...needed a nice laugh before work.

[WvStolzing]

Aedera wrote...

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Sadly it seems the staff at Bioware want to sit on their hands and not answer our questions about why they did this to us. So far all we get is them saying we aren't smart enough to comprehend an ending that made no sense.

I don't recall bioware saying anything like that and to be honest, some level of patience is needed.  Game has been out a week.  I dislike the endings as much as everyone but let's try to keep a level head.

Those tweets and retweets are pretty suggestive though...

[vboy23]

Pardon the wall of text, but here is my attempt to collate all the news that talks about what is currently happening. I've been trying to read all the posts/links/news that has been shown on the thread and I think this will help newcomers catch up on what is happening. I want this to be an impartial list of all the links (both supporters and debunkers), so if anyone finds any more news please pm me and I will gladly edit/update the list as it grows. I do not take credit for all the links, they have all been from other fans posting their finds/ making the fb page/images/threads/polls/charity.

Most of all, we do not and should not condone any attacks on EA or Bioware. I am politely voicing my opinion that the ending is lacking compared to what has been promised, full of plotholes and inconsistency. I do not ask for a "Happy Ending", just an ending that makes sense and provides closure.



***SPOILERS***  You have been warned





Articles that mentioned issues that were proposed/promised/changed:

http://www.strategyi...uests-neglected

http://www.ign.com/b...ilers.250066288

These two youtube uploads are extended clips of the dialouge between Shepard and Anderson before meeting the Catalyst:
FemShep:

MaleShep:




The ending was good:

http://www.ign.com/v...3-opinion-video

penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/why-the-ending-of-mass-effect-3-was-satifying-and-worthy-of-the-series-mass

http://www.xbox360ac..._medium=twitter


The ending was bad:

http://www.manaobscu...ect-3s-mistake/

http://manatank.com/...y-spoiler-free/

http://www.play-mag....-ending-sucked/

http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

http://kotaku.com/58...as-so-terrible/

http://www.gamerevol...change-it-11639

www.dealspwn.com/mass-effect-3-review-reaping-sow-96051



Retake ME 3:

http://www.vg247.com...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.forbes.co...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.g4tv.com/...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424



Petition:

http://www.change.or...tes-of-the-game



Survey / Umfrage / Enquête:
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Topics / Themen / Sujets:
ENG http://social.biowar...5/index/9512916
GER http://social.biowar...1/index/9688547
FRA http://social.biowar...9/index/9747320
POL http://social.biowar...7/index/9695107

Group / Gruppe / Groupe:
http://social.bioware.com/group/7058/

Support Signatur: (put this between [ IMG ] [ /IMG ] without free space)
EU http://i748.photobuc...5/eurofleet.jpg
UK http://i748.photobuc...ect/ukfleet.jpg
GER http://img405.images...ermanfleet1.jpg
USA http://i748.photobuc...icanfleet-1.jpg
RUS http://i748.photobuc...ussianfleet.jpg
CAN http://img.photobuck...nadianfleet.jpg


Retake Mass Effect Childs Play charity Drive:
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

Modifié par vboy23, 13 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[morph4037]

andy310 wrote...

 http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/03/12/mass-effect-3-opinion-video

Colin is completly misinformed, we arnt upset because we simply just "did not like the ending"

I agree with him that there is no need to harass the developers, and i hope none of us are that is not the way to win an argument.

Colin is just acting like Billy Bada** to gain attention. Plain and simple.

However, I do agree that devs should not be harassed but for the most part, it's been rather civil. 

[Bountyhunter80]

About the ending (my theory):

People, look at the ending again. The discussion between the old man and the child.
Man: "Some of the details have been lost. It happens so very long ago"

Isn't like DA2 and how people become a legend? A legend live on, when people telling his stories (but of course many details vanish).

[DifferentD17]

imelik wrote...


So Bioware, get your bloody act together !

LOL we are all.......... DISAPPONTED!

[Matt_gekko88]

Tweet

Are they taking us seriously?

[unclee]

K-J4y wrote...

Do you think the developers, will respond if only enough poeple complaining?
When the indoctrination-theory proofs itselfs as right, i'd actually call BioWare gods of mind-twisting story telling. Or something like that.

I mean, the game is finished, whatsoever. We can't change it anymore.
Basically I do like the endings, but I also think the final cutscenes ain't the real end. IMO the end starts exactly at Thessia, since then the player isn't deciding major matters anymore. It comes down to all decisions you have made in all Mass Effect parts. These decions accompany the player till the meeting with the catalyst.
I just wanna say, anything is possible isn't it?

They'll respond sometime after the 15th, once the game comes out in Japan.

[Wolfgang_Ocelot]

Aedera wrote...

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Sadly it seems the staff at Bioware want to sit on their hands and not answer our questions about why they did this to us. So far all we get is them saying we aren't smart enough to comprehend an ending that made no sense.

I don't recall bioware saying anything like that and to be honest, some level of patience is needed.  Game has been out a week.  I dislike the endings as much as everyone but let's try to keep a level head.

It's earlier in the post but it was a tweet where one of the devs said that "You're one of very few who actually understands the ending." Something to that effect, basically saying that we the fans who know the ending is bullcrud don't have the mental capacity to comprehend the ending.

[Will Kenni]

I can't remember who this is in response to, so this is to the forum in general.

I don't think the problem is with a "sad"(of course there is some but..) ending, but more of the fact that it was a "bad" ending. We who played this series kind of expected Shep to die(again, not all of us, but I digress) while he was trying to save the universe, either in a bust down the door, no holds bared kind of way, or in a more stoic and heroic way, a sacrifice for the universe. Any of a multitude of endings which we worked for with our multitude of choices. Instead, we got space magic, Deus Ex Machina, and Out of character portrayal (Don't get me wrong, the whole game leading up to it was amazing. I will be playing again a couple of times).

Since the beginning of the Mass Effect, we have ourselves been indoctrinated that our choices would matter. In fact, like many have stated, that was the "thing" about Mass Effect. But as you played you also grew attached to the characters(maybe there are some people out there who didn't but I wouldn't be proud to know them), and time and again, the story plot seemed to be about hope, never giving up, and unity no matter if you were Para-Shep, Rene-Shep, or Paragade-Shep(Speaking from what I have heard from others. Never played Paragade). We see this all the way up to that ending in ME3.

In that ending, we see no hope, the man who always pushed on no matter what gives up rather easily, and any unity we might have given the universe is destroyed. If that was what Bioware was going for with this ending, good on them. I just pray they never make another ending like this. In this world we have enough reminders that life is hard, life is not fair. I don't think we need a reminder in a fantasy setting. Yes, this is war, yes there are sacrifices, which we already have taken and seen many, Shepard being the last of it, maybe a few more as the dust settled. But do we need it rubbed in our faces? That seems to be the message they are conveying. Give up hope, you will always end up losing. Give up if faced with something greater than you, never look for another path. Any attempt to unify people is futile, as in the end they do not matter. This seems to be the message in any ending currently. I read in a book once, it was called "Legend" "War, such a small word for such a depth of agony."(Correct me if I'm wrong with that citing),and I think we all get that.

However, these are just my thoughts on it, from reading posts and looking around. But I can tell you one thing. Our time here is not a waste, our time here is unified. We share our pain and our joy with others, our triumphs, our fears. Humanity needs humanity, and this union has proven the hearts can be strong. We have gained from this, no matter the outcome by touching others and being touched on by others. So we follow what Mass Effect taught us before the endings. Hold together, unify, and defy the "impossible".

Modifié par Will Kenni, 13 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Darth Taurus]

Reporting in on this tread people! We need new recruits!

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9762840/1

[ebevan91]

Ugh, ME3 has taken over my life the past few days.

I didn't bother to study for any of my exams and didn't even do my laundry. I just realized that I've been sitting at the PC ever since I woke up like 5 hours ago, I've had BSN open since then.

All I want, is an epilogue of some sorts that actually makes sense. Or at least an explanation from Bioware as to what happens at the end.

[Fall from Honor]

I really hope the dream/indoctrination theory holds true, in that case it would still be a cruel twist, but kind of fitting. Otherwise I am going to stick to playing the game up to the ending and leaving that very confusing and unsatisfying mess of an ending unfinished. Quite sad actually, since I truly enjoyed the game up to that point.

[USKnight25]

jerobolod wrote...
I've been to BSN a few times as a lurker but I've never actually posted anything here before.

Same here, my friend. Lurked once or twice over the years, but never compelled to voice my opinion. It feels comforting to know that so many others are angry like me. That so many others can't pull themselves to do a second playthrough or have been feeling blue, like me, for DAYS over this atrocity.

But I can donate. And I can support. And like I said in the donation thread:

Hope lives in our world and should live in Mass Effect, too.

[infinitekilan]

ahtf wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...

Nex_Legis wrote...

ahtf wrote...

Sorry this I actually call spoiled. Sure complain about plotholes, or the lack of a ending, that is things that they should have fixed. But that you cant get exactly the ending you like?? Sure you can complain about that, but thinking that the company is horrible and demanding to get the ending you want is silly. Why not write a letter to whoever directed titanic and complain that the boat sunk.... 


The complains about the choices dosn't mather would also have been solved by actually telling what actually happened in the galaxy, with the krogans etc. 

I never said that I should be able to get exactly the ending I imagined as perfect. Just a rather "happy" one, a total sunshine ending is not possible anyway, considering how much Shepard, his crew and the galaxy lost (Mordin, Thessia, Palavan)... So there is always going to be a bitter part.

I just want diversion, and in my opinion just clarifying things would not suffice, we'd still be faced with an ending where our previous decisions never mattered.

Spoiled? I hardly think so. Read the latest Forbes article. We shell out hard earned cash to the tune of $70 BILLION a year. It's not like people are just giving us these games out of the goodness of our hearts, and we're throwing a fit because it's not what we wanted. We pay for products they claim to be quality, and promise us so many things, then don't deliver on those promises. All we are asking is for them to keep true to their word.

Did you even read my post? Or just one word. I think a lot of the complaints are correct. We should have gotten a ending that told us what our relations with our companions led to, how our choices affected the universe. What I think is a spoiled attitude is the demanding that we should be allowed to decide what the the choices led to good/bad etc..

My mistake. I apologize.

[Eirileth]

I'm still very depressed about all of this. But can't back down. Hold the Line. Keelah Se'lai.