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[KHReborn]

ExileArin wrote...

Mike Gamble just tweeted a link to this article http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

Well, I just swung back to anger again ...

Funny the first picture in this article shows the books: "Choose your own adventure". Kinda ironic.

[Militarized]

Aztlanna wrote...

Bountyhunter80 wrote...

About the ending (my theory):

People, look at the ending again. The discussion between the old man and the child.
Man: "Some of the details have been lost. It happens so very long ago"

Isn't like DA2 and how people become a legend? A legend live on, when people telling his stories (but of course many details vanish).

So the endings make no sense because Grandpa doesn't know or can't remember exactly what happened? And we, as players, ought to be satisfied with this explanation. Followed by, "BUY DLC!" 

Speaking for myself, no thank you.

Don't forget that he easily remembered all the sexy time and cursing to tell his grandchild *facepalm* 

[Aedera]

ExileArin wrote...

Mike Gamble just tweeted a link to this article http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

Well, I just swung back to anger again ...

Kind of my reaction too...still just can't believe how such an amazing staff could think this ending is what they want the last image of the mass effect trilogy to be.  Such a disappointment. 

[Darth Taurus]

jerobolod wrote...

Gallion33103 wrote...

Pretty much how i feel too man. A very large majority in this thread feel the same way. It might just be a game, but its a game with (or was) a epic story. A story that for 5 years and a huge number of playthroughs (at least for me) only added to the attachment of the game and its story. Only to have it end...in a different colored explosion.

Thanks man. It's a little better for me knowing that I'm not the only one who feels the same.

Copperwings wrote...

Thank you Jero... that summed up exactly how I feel with more eloquence
than I could ever possibly manage... thank you *hugs*

You're welcome. I've no idea how I managed to pull myself together enough to write all of that so eloquently. 

*hugs*

We are all on the same ship. Good to have you on board!

[laughing sherpa girl]

23000 disgruntled voices representing a possible 2.3 million customers and they still hold the notion and stance we're all whiners?? Thats absolutely frikken amazing. By the end of the day we'll have over 1,000 pages in this thread, and no one is actually making any real attempt to just add more pages.. I cannot believe the abominable arrogance and stupidity of the way bioware is handling this.. If i were in japan and seeing this, i wouldnt buy a single copy.

[Ormeriel]

So not only has Bioware screwed the ending, but they are also being insulting toward their customers.

Perfect. Let's cancel that swtor subscription now.

Edit: Subscription canceled and I added a comments when doing it, mentioning Mass Effect 3 and how insulting Bioware was in handling that issue. They don't get any money from me anymore.

Modifié par Ormeriel, 13 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[tausra]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...
I like that idea. A scene like that could be quite a tear-jerker if played right. You would get a very emotional scene of your LI fighting back tears and holding Shepard's hand as she's telling him about all of the great things he is missing out on. After a recap of the important parts, depending on how prepared your fleet was, the scene would then branch off in one of two paths:

1. If you weren't prepared enough, you hear the heart monitor flatline and see her go through various stages of grief. Take Liara, for example. If Shepard promised her in LotSB that she would never lose him again and told her that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her in ME3, she could comment about that in the anger stage. Then, it transitions to a fancy military funeral. All of your crew are mourning your loss. Some of them say a few words about Shepard, with the last being from your LI. As your LI gives the longest and most emotional eulogy, the camera slowly pans out to reveal a massive crowd of people Shepard helped. Finally, it cuts to black in sync with the first round of a 21 gun salute and the credits roll.

2. If your forces are strong enough to rescue you in time, the camera is framed so you can see her face and her holding Shepard's hand. You see her look up and gasp as Shepard squeezes her hand and you watch her expression turn to one of pure happiness and relief. Shepard sits up with a bit of effort. She momentarily forgets Shepard is injured and gives him a big hug with tears streaming down her face. He winces a bit and she apologizes. She says something like, "I thought I lost you again," to which he would respond in a labored voice, "I always keep my promises." After some more touching moments/dialogue, there is a scene in which Shepard and crew are in a big ceremony being presented the highest award in existence and Shepard gives one last inspirational speech, recognizing the magnitude of the toll that had to be paid for their victory but that it wasn't made in vain, etc. It could either end there or you could finish with a short fan-service scene between a retired Shepard and his LI... little blue babies playing on Thessia, building a house on Rannoch, etc.

The people who want a really sad but cathartic ending with Shepard making the ultimate sacrifice get what they want, as do the ones hoping Shepard finally gets the happiness he deserves. Either way, I would be reaching for the tissue box. There are countless more satisfying ways they could have gone about an ending. It's a shame that the trilogy, like Commander Shepard, didn't get the send off it deserved.

I have promised to never buy tthe end if it's DLC with a price... but I think I would break my own promise for those endings.

[sergeym1990]

ExileArin wrote...

Mike Gamble just tweeted a link to this article http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

Well, I just swung back to anger again ...

So they are ingonring all negative feedback, and focusing on positive.... 

[DifferentD17]

KHReborn wrote...

ExileArin wrote...

Mike Gamble just tweeted a link to this article http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

Well, I just swung back to anger again ...

Funny the first picture in this article shows the books: "Choose your own adventure". Kinda ironic.

Seems to just be ignoring the fact that you can't choose your own ending.

[zarnk567]

I'm more baffled that any writer could look at the story as a whole then look at the endings and go "THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE"

[Militarized]

I replied to his posting with this. Asking him to explain it in that articles context.

[alberta]

Bioware using surrogates to attack us is a massive mistake - they have badly miscalculated out resolve. Day by day I find myself growing STRONGER and STRONGER determined to HOLD THE LINE for ten years if that's what it takes. Attacking us has only made us stronger and more determined then ever. That is a terrible mistake Bioware. Why? Each of us here grew and developed our characters and our galaxy is our own images - years in the making - 100s of hours of love and devotion. THIS is more than a game - MORE than a protest - THIS is a fight FOR each of our ideal to be finally realized in our own image! THAT is worth everything I have to give!

[archangel1996]

boys and girls more and more people join in the survey
we can do it

[ExileArin]

Aedera wrote...

ExileArin wrote...

Mike Gamble just tweeted a link to this article http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

Well, I just swung back to anger again ...

Kind of my reaction too...still just can't believe how such an amazing staff could think this ending is what they want the last image of the mass effect trilogy to be.  Such a disappointment. 

And instead of giving us a straight answer, they just tweet links to articles basically calling us stupid, or only respond to positive feedback. To think that for 8 years, I did nothing but praise BioWare.

[JackofStaves]

KHReborn wrote...

I asked them what they think about the forbes articles... no reaction :/

This should tell people something.  I was a beta player for Bioware's other juggernaut, The Old Republic.  And when the player base started complaining about issues (or perceived issues), their staff was pretty quick to jump into twitter, forums, etc. to defuse the Wrath of Angry Gamers.  Sure, different team, forum moderators, devs, for this game, but still.  Marketing is marketing, and no one wants to cut off potential sales due to bad press.  

The Bioware team playtested it, and although you know some of the development staff changed over the life of the three games, there's no way any of them could miscalculate this horribly, regarding the player loyalties and investment in the ME franchise.  Marketing and development teams aren't dumb (misguided and arrogant, sometimes, but not dumb), so they had to have known there would be a hue and cry.  

I'm waiting for the other N7 armored boot to drop on this one...it ain't over yet.

[Phoenix-Warden]

Ahh, we crack 1000 pages soon. And still no word from EAWare, um, sorry I mean BioWare

[hismastersvoice]

Aedera wrote...

Sigh game over kids...just tweeted by gamble...

@CGaspur: An amazing article about the ending of Mass Effect 3 and how it has affected fans for the better or worse:
http://t.co/kV8uSL5k

I like how all the comments under this supposedly amazing article panned Kucher into a bloody pulp with reasonable arguments.

[zarnk567]

DifferentD17 wrote...

KHReborn wrote...

ExileArin wrote...

Mike Gamble just tweeted a link to this article http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

Well, I just swung back to anger again ...

Funny the first picture in this article shows the books: "Choose your own adventure". Kinda ironic.

Seems to just be ignoring the fact that you can't choose your own ending.

This is just getting ridiculous he quoted penny-arcade..... jesus

[infinitekilan]

ahtf wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...

ahtf wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...

Nex_Legis wrote...

ahtf wrote...

*snip*

*snip*

Spoiled? I hardly think so. Read the latest Forbes article. We shell out hard earned cash to the tune of $70 BILLION a year. It's not like people are just giving us these games out of the goodness of our hearts, and we're throwing a fit because it's not what we wanted. We pay for products they claim to be quality, and promise us so many things, then don't deliver on those promises. All we are asking is for them to keep true to their word.

Did you even read my post? Or just one word. I think a lot of the complaints are correct. We should have gotten a ending that told us what our relations with our companions led to, how our choices affected the universe. What I think is a spoiled attitude is the demanding that we should be allowed to decide what the the choices led to good/bad etc..

My mistake. I apologize.

Thats ok thank you for dooing that! quite unusal on a forum.

I should have read the whole thing, rather than the first couple sentences. I automatically assumed it was trolling/hatespeak since I'm keeping up on babachewie and his outright insulting of those of us who have donated to the Child's Play charity, calling us scum and stupid and what not.

[Denethar]

That tweet from Gamble just scream desperation in so many ways.

[rethas]

alberta wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

alberta wrote...

It is quite obvious Boiware has received advice from a trouble-shooting PR firm. I follow politics and am very familiar with the trouble-shooting PR firms strategy - which is - wait it out and the uproar will die out on it's own. 

The lead developer just retweeted someone bashing us.

Sigh. I don't mean that offensively, btw. Just bringing it to light.

Yes that's all part of the strategy - get yourself surrogates to enduldge in a campaign to belitting the opposition - a very normal strategy in politics.

I am not sure where they are going wih the tone of some of these tweets.

Generally the consumer that buys a bioware game isn't a run of the mill gamer.

In theory the average console owner buys the following titles each year: Call of duty and Madden/Fifa gamer with a handful of other big franchise games.

Histrorically the market for RPGs and especially bioware games have generally been intelligent people, so I really hope the tone of the different tweets from Bioware staff is being misunderstood.

As your community and customers aren't stupid, nor spoiled, nor entitled and if the ending is being misunderstood on this scale perhaps there was a problem with its execution rather than your loyal customers being morons.

In reference specifically to the retweet of the article that calls this idiotic.

Modifié par rethas, 13 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Bountyhunter80]

Aztlanna wrote...

So the endings make no sense because Grandpa doesn't know or can't remember exactly what happened? And we, as players, ought to be satisfied with this explanation. Followed by, "BUY DLC!" 

Speaking for myself, no thank you.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like this ending, too. I played ME and ME 2 too long, that I getting satisfied with such an  explanation, but its the only way  that can clear why many details not matching. 

[USKnight25]

Larg_Kellein wrote...
I took two weeks off work for this game (well, among other things) expecting that it would make med do what only ME1 and ME2 has made me do in 20+ years of gaming: Immediately restart after finishing it. Instead, I turned off my console, took out the disc and shelved the game.

I feel your pain. I can't replay this game... not for quite a while. And never while accepting the ending. When I dust off ME1 in the future, it will be with the understanding that the trilogy ends with me switching off the console and playing "Das Malefitz" while I dream up a proper end sequence.

[Darth Garrus]

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Sadly it seems the staff at Bioware want to sit on their hands and not answer our questions about why they did this to us. So far all we get is them saying we aren't smart enough to comprehend an ending that made no sense.

Glad to see you and all our friends back here today. Have a good holding of the line.

[DifferentD17]

Militarized wrote...

I replied to his posting with this. Asking him to explain it in that articles context.

Lol there is no answer he could give that is satisfactory, unless it's a new ending...