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[zarnk567]

dfstone wrote...

They had a story, they told it. If you don't like how it ends that not Bioware's problem. I don't think they should change the ending for anyone. They should end it however way they want its their story, we're just along for the ride.

The problem is the Destination of the ride ends with us going off a cliff to a horrible painful death..... but it has SPACE MAGIC:wizard:

Modifié par zarnk567, 13 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[DifferentD17]

sergeym1990 wrote...

This sh*storm is way bigger. It has already been mentioned in creditable press. If Bioware can ignore something like this we can safely assume they dont give a damn about fans.  

And then there won't be fans. or at least the original fans.

[sergeym1990]

dfstone wrote...

They had a story, they told it. If you don't like how it ends that not Bioware's problem. I don't think they should change the ending for anyone. They should end it however way they want its their story, we're just along for the ride.

That contradicts the whole spirir of ME games where your choices do matter. 

[Denethar]

dfstone wrote...

They had a story, they told it. If you don't like how it ends that not Bioware's problem. I don't think they should change the ending for anyone. They should end it however way they want its their story, we're just along for the ride.

You would fit perfectly into their Marketing Department.

[Sunnyhat1]

@Ricky Khan
Just finished @masseffect ... Ending was pathetic and just plain lazy on Biowares part. Thanks for ruining my favorite game :'(

@masseffect
@irickykhani You don't feel the same about all the other games now do you?


Wonder what that's supposed to mean. *twich*

[dfstone]

detolicious.com wrote...
people won't remember the end, they'll remember everything prior to that.

Really?  Thats why there's a 900+ page thread and countless other threads and articles in video game sites about the ending...because everyone isn't remembering it?

[Generic Name]

Reporting in.

That empty feeling returned this morning. . .

[Tainan7509]

SandTrout wrote...

Penny Arcade's head writer actually has posted something on their page. And while he is refraining (wisely) from clearly taking a side on the issue (especially since his partner has not finished yet), he does express something that I interpret as empathy for our cause. I would say that we would be unwise to dismiss the influence that Penny Arcade can exercise, in spite of some of the snide remakes by one of their employees.

At best, we my have a powerful ally, and at worst, I honestly believe they will give us a fair hearing.

What? what does that mean "especially since his partner has no finished yet"?? you mean the story for mass effect?

[Eumerin]

TumblingBumblebee wrote...

I'm starting to grow tired of this =/ I wonder how long we can keep it up...

Indefinitely.

You don't need to stay on the forum.  You don't need to keep reposting.  You just need to remember what a mess Bioware made of ME3 the next time you have the option to buy something from them.  And it's not really a protest, either. It's just recognition of the fact that the ME3 ending was so...  weak...  that spending more money on a Bioware product is likely to end badly for you.

That's how the free market works.

When the ME3 DLC inevitably arrives, you'll probably ignore it not because you're protesting against ME3, but because you don't want to get burned again.  Or because you don't feel any great desire to add bits to the middle of a story that has an ending that appears to have been written by a 15 year old who's trying to be edgy.

That's all that there is to it.

Bioware can dismiss massive threads on the forum or review bombing (which I'm always leery about anyway).  What they can't dismiss are sales that don't take place.  Bioware is a for-profit corporation, and RPGs are very much a niche product in the video game world.  If customers avoid Bioware's products after this point, then Bioware will be forced to acknowledge that the ME3 ending was a disaster.  And you'll avoid Bioware's products not because you want to make a statement, but because the ending to ME3 burned you so badly that you feel you'd rather watch John Carter III instead of purchasing Mass Effect 4.

Bioware may privately believe that it was "artsy" and "too sophisticated" for their customers even after customers turn away.  But they'll be forced to acknowledge that they'd better not do anything like that again.

[zarnk567]

DifferentD17 wrote...

sergeym1990 wrote...

This sh*storm is way bigger. It has already been mentioned in creditable press. If Bioware can ignore something like this we can safely assume they dont give a damn about fans.  

And then there won't be fans. or at least the original fans.

^this^ 

[nitefyre410]

TamiBx wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

ExileArin wrote...

Mike Gamble just tweeted a link to this article http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

Well, I just swung back to anger again ...

Honestly, I think the whole entitlement buzzword is apt.  But where it should be applied is "developer entitlement".  Where they can do no wrong and contemplate the artistic qualities of the mass-produced consumer product they make regardless of how it is received by the consumers.  If the consumers don't "get it" then you don't get a job.

I got back and we have increased 50 pages (I believe we can reach 1000 by tonight) and this happened...this makes me so sad...

 

Bolded for truth  ... I'm really getting sick of this entitlement thing being thrown around.  Its starting to sound like that Bioware feels they are entitled to do what they want ..ask people to buy and they  except everyone to fall in line and do it.. 

Honestly this is the industries own fault they have been spared alot of the back lash that a company like  Square Enix has gotten.  They have been coddled by the gaming media and now we are starting to see the fruits of that with this type of arrogance.    

Pride always cometh before the fall they need to step carefully here ... 

[Darkspazztic]

dfstone wrote...

They had a story, they told it. If you don't like how it ends that not Bioware's problem. I don't think they should change the ending for anyone. They should end it however way they want its their story, we're just along for the ride.

Except we aren't "just along for the ride".

Yes, they've made the game.  They've told the outlines of the story.  But we've shaped the universe they gave us.  Hell, they *told* us to shape it.  That is what a lot of us have a problem with.  We shaped it, then they crushed it in those final minutes.

[Phoenix-Warden]

KHReborn wrote...

Hey they answered me:

Me: @masseffect Why is there no reaction to your loyal fanbase? You know what I'm talkin about.

BW: @khrebornfx We hear what our community is saying, thank you for your input.

Me: @masseffect But we hear nothing from you! Can we expect something in the near future?

Lets hope for a satisfying answer.

"Thank you for your input"? Wtf? that is all we get after a week???

[karambiatos]

zarnk567 wrote...

This is what Bioware always does when someone insults their writing, they just copy and past a link to someone who says they are good at writing...... and then call us stupid for not understanding their "vision"

AH yes "vision"

[alberta]

Here are the reviews over at Amazon. com of Mss Effect 3:

105 Reviews
5 star: (11)
4 star: (8)
3 star:(13)
2 star:(19)
1 star:(54)

This backs up everything we have been saying all along - independent of what is said on these pages here. HOLD THE LINE!

[Game_Fan_85]

zarnk567 wrote...

dfstone wrote...

They had a story, they told it. If you don't like how it ends that not Bioware's problem. I don't think they should change the ending for anyone. They should end it however way they want its their story, we're just along for the ride.

The problem is the Destination of the ride ends with us going off a cliff to a horrible painful death..... but it has SPACE MAGIC:wizard:

A wizard did it   So that's what Anders was up to after he ran off with Hawke.

[Wolfgang_Ocelot]

dfstone wrote...

They had a story, they told it. If you don't like how it ends that not Bioware's problem. I don't think they should change the ending for anyone. They should end it however way they want its their story, we're just along for the ride.

Are you kidding me? the whole point of ME from day one was "Your choice, your morale, your deciscions reflect on the games universe. What you do here, changes something later on, etc."

It is a game where we were supposed to shape how we dealt with the reapers and saved the galaxy. SO no that is wrong to say. It's as much our story as theirs. It's our shepard, we put our personality, our decisions, ourselves into this character to make him who he/she is. Our actions in the game should have reflected how the game ended, but it didn't. Plain and simple.

[Fuzrum77]

Don't know if this has been posted, but here's a critic review that actually addresses the ending:

http://www.dealspwn....aping-sow-96051

Even the 2nd opinion review agrees.

[zarnk567]

I can't believe I bought an supported Bioware since Baulders Gate 1. just to be treated like a moron on their twitter.....

[zergi]

what was this abomination of a ending? 10 minutes ruined 100+ hours lol

[Dan Rosse]

alberta wrote...

I say again - For the first time I'm optimistic - Bioware's people are now so DEFENSIVE over the world wide fan criticism it reeks of acute desperation.

Yep. Looks like everyone who fought about Console/PC, Paragon/Renegade, CE/Standard Edition forgot about this bullsh- and started to fight together against somethin' that really matters.

[theffernan]

Had to join the forums to post this. Unbelievable disappointment in Bioware to do this. As many others have said it's not about having a "sad" ending, or Shepard dying, but the pure illogical contradictory nonsense and the reduction of all our choices throughout the last 5 years to nothing.

[dfstone]

Denethar wrote...

dfstone wrote...

They had a story, they told it. If you don't like how it ends that not Bioware's problem. I don't think they should change the ending for anyone. They should end it however way they want its their story, we're just along for the ride.

You would fit perfectly into their Marketing Department.

Give me a break.  I don't have postive or negative feelings about it.  The reason I played the game was to see how the story unfolded.  I look at the whole thing and it was an enjoyable ride.  Whatever plot-lines they took it on is their decision.  Doesn't change the fact that these three games comprised one of the most enjoyable video game franchises I've ever played.  The plot-line choices were Bioware's, not mine.  I didn't design this game, and guess what, neither did you.

[LPPrince]

Bioware's definitely aware of this now.

The wait is on for an official response.