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[sumo390]

Nilofeliu wrote...

From http://robotgeek.co....ect-3-backlash/

Rumors of a sharp price drop due to cancelled orders and the backlash have surfaced, and a quick check of Amazon.com has revealed that new copies of the game are available at retailers for around 45$ brand new. The Collector’s Edition for PC has dropped to under eighty dollars. The Metacritic score is sitting at 3.5 overall- with plenty of spoilers in the reviews, so I highly suggest against investigating. I can only imagine that Bioware’s silence either reflects them holding something back, or the company being in full-on panic mode. It would be a shame for the company to sink based on one game- especially one so storied, that gave us so many great moments in gaming. Day One DLC is forgivable. Graphical glitches can be patched. However, the trust of your customers is a precious resource that can’t easily be fixed or regained. Forbes has articles on the subject- first painting gamers as basically totally homophobic, whiny ****s. Other sites have claimed the same thing due to the actions of a few, but going on the Bioware forums shows an almost total absence of homophobia and racism. However, over time, the Forbes story has been updated again and again, with the writer slowly coming around to sympathize with those who feel betrayed. The Forbes Articles (light spoiler warnings!) are linked here.

So it seems we are finally changing something. ME3 prices are dropping, EA shares are falling. Even the article's writer acknowledge that this may be the end of Bioware, for once the trust is trully lost, it can never be regained.

EA/Bioware should be ashamed of themselves, not only for coming up with a poor ending (not to mention the game glitches and all) but especially for ignoring the playerbase and customer's concerns and complaints.

If I go to a shop and buy a 50 inches TV I won't be satisfied with a 48 inches only because the TV's designer thought it would look better on my living room.

We bought the game because of what was advertise. We bought the game because it was said many times over that our choices mattered and would affect the game endings somehow. They even went as far sas saying we would have 16 different endings. To get 3 endings which by instance are the same, is to receive a product we did not order. And all we have so far is Bioware saying "you already bought it, so it's your fault you don't like it"

Let's keep the holding my friends and comrades. We are nearly there....

And even if we get nothing in return, just watching Bioware/EA losing money and hopefully bankrupting will give me the closure and satisfaction the game didn't give....

And many people haven't even finished the game yet. Imagine the numbers that could join the cause.

[RussianOrc]

P_sutherland wrote...

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

We need the asians... We need the Japan and Korea Fleet!

we have a north and south korea fleets ?  did we achive peace between those two over this ? 

that should go to the history books....

[sumo390]

[quote]Nilofeliu wrote...

[quote]Dan Rosse wrote...

[quote]Nathos wrote...

Hey guys (and girls),

look what IGN posted on YouTube!

I know it has been posted on IGN website some time ago, but on YouTube we can thumbs down![/quote]

Damn right.

[/quote]

What a jerk! Burn…

[/quote]

I have hated IGN for quite some time now, but this guy just topped everything I´ve seen before. He is only a narrow minded self serving moron who has no clue what he is talking about. It's all about flaming us, instead of actually understanding the situation, and if not agreeing with us, at least respecting our cause....

I wonder how much he got paid to say that....

BURN IGN....[/quote]
I thought there was one article on IGN that said Bioware should release free DLC, if that's true spare that writer lol

[Timerider42]

Ivon wrote...

faint voices calling out Shep's name, Anderson & Squadmates you took with you

"Breath part of scene"

fade to credits

That + not blowing up all relays = perfect.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

dfstone wrote...
they're unlikely to betray that vision just because a group of vocal fans are upset with it.

Yeah, better betray your fans with marketing, plotholes, incomplete ending and such.
Oh wait, "gamers are dumb/immature/kids/etc".

There is no other market where things like this can always go through like the Video Game market.

Because it's like an addiction, so devs can get away with it and our money.

[tausra]

Only 33 pages to go! Think we can do it in 4 hours? I think we can!

[DifferentD17]

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

[rethas]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

I don't get it....
A lot of people keep saying that everything Shepard and crew did was rendered meaningless, but I just don't see it.

The Reapers have been stopped and the races that would have been destroyed are now safe.

Shepard's death and/or the destruction of the Mass Relays does not change the fact that he succeeded. Shepard won.

Are the survivors in a tough spot? Yes, but they will survive over all.

Shepard wasn't doing all this to save the people of today, he was doing it to save the people who come in a year, 10 years, 100 years, 1,000 years, 10,000 years, 50,000 years will never have to fear the Reapers again.

Every race you made an alliance with, every race you saved [if you saved the Krogan and Geth] will live well into the future and that is what the fight against the Reapers was all about.

In real life real hero's often don't live to see them selves be proclaimed as hero's and they never do what they do to be come hero's. They do it to save as many lives as they can, even if it costs them their own because it is the right thing to do.

Basically if you choose all the different options the outcome is pretty much the same. At least that is a common interpretation.

Red light - reapers die + geth + ais, relays explode lots of people die.
Green light - relays explode lots of people die from various causes.
Blue - relays explode lots of people die from various causes.

The quarians can't get back to their home planet so why did you reclaim it.
The krogans can't get back to their home planet so why did we do so much for them.

Basically if you play full paragon or full renegade you get basically the same potential endings with possible very minor differences.

Hence why it seems to many your decisions don't matter.

Obviously you are entitled to feel they do

[Nex_Legis]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

I would have no problem with these endings if they just threw in one more brighter ending as well. That way people could have their epic self-sacrificing ending and others can see their Shep reunited with the people he/she was fighting for all along.

Each of these endings at the moment feel like failure and not victory. We were supposed to defeat the Reapers but instead Shephard was given 3 choices. All of which are just different means for the Reapers to control us. Either the mass relays are destroyed so everyone is cut off from eachother so they can no longer stand together; or Synthesis happens and everyone becomes other than what they are,(exactly what we were fighting against); or Shephard becomes one of them and the Reapers endure. The war ends on the Reaper's terms and that didnt seem like something Shepherd would allow. The whole tone of this game until the end point was about standing together, fighting for freedom and self-determination, beating the odds and defying the higher powers etc. It was uplifting and inspiring. But the end felt hopless and depressing.

They also kind of shot themselves in the foot for being just too damn good and creating a character we all love and get drawn into. ME3 made me care deeply for this character. I really was with her for every victory and failure. Best game and story i'd ever seen to date. But therefore the ending - seeing Shepherd beaten, broken, bloody and alone (and with the amazing voice acting too) - it was just utterly heartbreaking. Amazing and powerful, but too sad for me to relive again and again in multiple playthroughs. It they had included just *one* brighter ending I could have used that to replay the game.

I really don't mind the endings they came up with but I just wish we'd had one good ending too. I can't replay this game knowing that after *everything* Shep has been through in all these games, she and the galaxy is ultimately doomed.

Would maybe have been nice if in the 'Shepard lives' ending; instead of seeing the normandy crash, we see Shep take a breathe (just like in the actual ending) amid the rubble and then the Love interest and/or other crew member hauls her out, helps her stand so they can gaze up at the Reaperless sky together from London. Would have been the same kind of length as the others but given us hope that there is a way for Shep to be reunited with her friends in just one ending.

/End ramble

Personally, I think the plotholes must also be fixed, but I do agree that we should get a happier ending. People who say we shouldn't always make it sound like we want every ending to be sugar and honey. That's certainly not true.

[sumo390]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

That thread is around 300+ pages and going strong, I believe

[Katsumi Liqueur]

Part of me, saddly, is happy about the end stuff, because Im totally redefining my final thesis on college to talk about US!

[Benirus]

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

Part of me, saddly, is happy about the end stuff, because Im totally redefining my final thesis on college to talk about US!

Called it

[Zhijn]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

I don't get it....
A lot of people keep saying that everything Shepard and crew did was rendered meaningless, but I just don't see it.

The Reapers have been stopped and the races that would have been destroyed are now safe.

Shepard's death and/or the destruction of the Mass Relays does not change the fact that he succeeded. Shepard won.

Are the survivors in a tough spot? Yes, but they will survive over all.

Shepard wasn't doing all this to save the people of today, he was doing it to save the people who come in a year, 10 years, 100 years, 1,000 years, 10,000 years, 50,000 years will never have to fear the Reapers again.

Every race you made an alliance with, every race you saved [if you saved the Krogan and Geth] will live well into the future and that is what the fight against the Reapers was all about.

In real life real hero's often don't live to see them selves be proclaimed as hero's and they never do what they do to be come hero's. They do it to save as many lives as they can, even if it costs them their own because it is the right thing to do.

The last 10 min (after being blown apart infront of the beam) is a lie. Its Shepard being indoctrinated.

So the ending choice A, B or C is whether or not your Shepard will break free from indoctrination. If you break free you see a short clip of waking up among rubbles where you took harbingers blast. Atleast thats best theory atm, but even that is shot to pieces by end credits w/ Stargazer & Child, and the popup "shepard ended the reaper invasion blabla".

But in short. The reaper invasion could not have ended if you never went through. Aka there is no ending.

Modifié par Zhijn, 13 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[TemplarLord]

MissNet wrote...

I have to say, that our fleets are stronger with each passing day. I've created a map of our forces, geography is pretty impressive. 

One pin on Bjelovar, Croatia please.

Hold the line!

[Nathos]

RussianOrc wrote...

P_sutherland wrote...

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

We need the asians... We need the Japan and Korea Fleet!

we have a north and south korea fleets ?  did we achive peace between those two over this ? 

that should go to the history books....

[illutian]

wook77 wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Seriously get a grip. Its a frikken GAME. Whaaaa they didn't end it the way I want to...waaaaa! Here's a tissue...go get some sun.

again you fail to see the point that even if it is a game, it's a 64+ dollar investment where we want our monies worth. When we invest hours upon hours of time into something (whether it be games, music, hobbies, whatever) we expect the outcome to make sense. With entertainment media we expect the ending to make sense, and to conclude it. Mass effect did not do this, we wanted all lose ends tied up and for our characters decisions to justify the end. If Shepard dies then at least let it be in a blaze of glory, not some ill attempt to make sheppard break characters and suicide just to doom the galaxy again.

You're being very close minded and typical about it. We beat your argument now you insult us by saying we need sunlight and whatnot. A lot of us have lives thankyou very much, but our social standings are not part of the problem here. And your ill attempt to insult us by doing so is very childish and unamusing. get out.

There is no arguement.  If you read a book and don't like how it ends, do you demand that the author rewrites it?  If you watch a movie and don't like the ending to you demand that they remake it?  The argument is STUPID.

The book argument is a false analogy for many reasons:

1.) I read a book in about 3 hours. That is only 3 hours of investment of my time rather than at least 30 hours for just this game.
2.) I have no input during reading the book. I do not get to make choices for the hero along the way. In ME3, I do.
3.) If I hate the ending of the book, I can take it back to the store and get a full refund. Try doing that to an opened piece of electronics...
4.) A book costs me 10 bucks. This game, even just the last one, cost me over $65.

In addition, with books, especially, there is an inherent promise as to what I'm going to get at the end. When I read a romance, I am expecting a happily-ever-after, even if it's more "happy for now". If I read a fantasy hero farmboy epic - I expect the farmboy to beat the evil bad guys and live to swing his sword another day. If I read a mystery, I expect the mystery to be solved at the end. If I read a thriller, I expect the serial killer to be caught. And so on and so forth.

With video games, there is still that same expectation. People are upset because the marketing of this game was epic endings based on your epic choices - thus completely negating the "book" analogy because, again, a book has no choices for the reader to make.

Not to mention if you're smart like me you do The Book Check
1) Read the back cover (or inside, the summary of the book)
2) Read the last chapter
3) Read an arbitrary chapter near the middle

if all three pass, I buy it. If one of those fails; I move on. Try doing that with a video game that hasn't been released.
BTW: I purchased ME1 & 2 in August...OF 2011, after I read the reviews, after I saw some of the game plays (thank you imelissagale). I figured ME3 would be more of the same, PURE WIN. It was...till I looked up how to get Quarrians and Geth...which lead me to a walkthrough...with a suggested viewing of an ending..........and you can pretty much guess the rest.

Modifié par Ivon, 13 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[Annaleah]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(ﾟДﾟщ)

[illutian]

Annaleah wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(ﾟДﾟщ)

Begins with a 'C'

and ends with 'Man'

[Anakronist]

What boggled my mind the most is that, I destroy all the damn reapers and relays in the galaxy, and I know that ill be pretty boned myself too, although I didn't die, which is mighty weird imo. Then I see the Normandy crash landing on a planet with 0 civilization... A quick sort of "end of story" epilogue thing after the credits... Then "Shepard is a legend" and all of a sudden Im standing in the Normandy again...
The other thing I found funny is that I had Tali and Liara with me on the last mission, but apparently Liara didn't die in the reaper shot fire thing, and apparently she got to the Normandy pretty damn quickly aswell cus she was in the crash... Imo that is pretty damn weird.

[DifferentD17]

sumo390 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

That thread is around 300+ pages and going strong, I believe

Lol well I can't find it now. I'll keep searching though.

[AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ]

P_sutherland wrote...

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

We need the asians... We need the Japan and Korea Fleet!

we have a north and south korea fleets ?  did we achive peace between those two over this ? 

Popular media and games are not allowed into North Korea.  Communism does not allow it.

[Thore2k10]

I could imagine Bioware being on Red Alert right now, with prices dropping so fast and even shares of EA falling...

if they do some more work on this game, theyll be back!

[Nathos]

Annaleah wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(ﾟДﾟщ)

Cerberus!

[Nex_Legis]

Zhijn wrote...

The last 10 min (after being blown apart infront of the beam) is a lie. Its Shepard being indoctrinated.

So the ending choice A, B or C is whether or not your Shepard will break free from indoctrination. If you break free you see a short clip of waking up among rubbles where you took harbingers blast. Atleast thats best theory atm, but even that is shot to pieces by end credits w/ Stargazer & Child, and the popup "shepard ended the reaper invasion blabla".

But in short. The reaper invasion could not have ended if you never went through. Aka there is no ending.

Exactly. But if BioWare actually thought of the last part as a hallucination, I'm not sure if that's really better.

[vboy23]

Pardon the wall of text, but here is my attempt to collate all the news that talks about what is currently happening. I've been trying to read all the posts/links/news that has been shown on the thread and I think this will help newcomers catch up on what is happening. I want this to be an impartial list of all the links (both supporters and debunkers), so if anyone finds any more news please pm me and I will gladly edit/update the list as it grows. I do not take credit for all the links, they have all been from other fans posting their finds/ making the fb page/images/threads/polls/charity.

Most of all, we do not and should not condone any attacks on EA or Bioware. I am politely voicing my opinion that the ending is lacking compared to what has been promised, full of plotholes and inconsistency. I do not ask for a "Happy Ending", just an ending that makes sense and provides closure.

*edit* Forgive me for not putting in the hyperlinks. For some reason, the forum editor wont paste the codes straight from notepad to the form.
***SPOILERS***  You have been warned





About the argument "If you read a book/see a movie and don't like how it ends, do you demand that the author rewrites it?"

As mentioned earlier, "Comparing INTERACTIVE GAMES to books/movies which are practically set in stone?"
also, look up Mass Effect Deception.



About DLC adding a different ending:

Bethesda released Broken Steel DLC which picks up after the main character "dies" at the end of the main storyline.
http://en.wikipedia....ns#Broken_Steel



About rewriting a story:

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle "resurrects" Sherlock Holmes due to public outcry.
http://en.wikipedia....hur_Conan_Doyle



Articles that mentioned issues that were proposed/promised/changed:

http://www.strategyi...uests-neglected

http://www.ign.com/b...ilers.250066288

These two youtube uploads are extended clips of the dialouge between Shepard and Anderson before meeting the Catalyst:
FemShep:

MaleShep:



*I took out the category lists because I dont feel I have the right to classify each article, that is for you to decide*


http://www.ign.com/v...3-opinion-video

penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/why-the-ending-of-mass-effect-3-was-satifying-and-worthy-of-the-series-mass

http://www.xbox360ac..._medium=twitter

http://arstechnica.c...ory-control.ars

http://www.manaobscu...ect-3s-mistake/

http://manatank.com/...y-spoiler-free/

http://www.play-mag....-ending-sucked/

http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

http://kotaku.com/58...as-so-terrible/

http://www.gamerevol...change-it-11639

www.dealspwn.com/mass-effect-3-review-reaping-sow-96051

http://www.escapistm...t-3-The-Process

http://robotgeek.co....ect-3-backlash/



Retake ME 3:

http://www.vg247.com...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.forbes.co...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.g4tv.com/...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424


Report In People!!:
http://social.biowar...index/9762840/1


Petition:

http://www.change.or...tes-of-the-game



Survey / Umfrage / Enquête:
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Topics / Themen / Sujets:
ENG http://social.biowar...5/index/9512916
GER http://social.biowar...1/index/9688547
FRA http://social.biowar...9/index/9747320
POL http://social.biowar...7/index/9695107

Group / Gruppe / Groupe:
http://social.bioware.com/group/7058/

Support Signatur: (put this between [ IMG ] [ /IMG ] without free space)
EU http://i748.photobuc...5/eurofleet.jpg
UK http://i748.photobuc...ect/ukfleet.jpg
GER http://img405.images...ermanfleet1.jpg
USA http://i748.photobuc...icanfleet-1.jpg
RUS http://i748.photobuc...ussianfleet.jpg
CAN http://img.photobuck...nadianfleet.jpg

Retake Mass Effect Childs Play charity Drive:
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play



HOLD THE LINE!!!

Modifié par vboy23, 13 mars 2012 - 07:01 .