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ARCTIC EAGLE

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[quote]sumo390 wrote...

[quote]Nilofeliu wrote...

[quote]Dan Rosse wrote...

[quote]Nathos wrote...

Hey guys (and girls),

look what IGN posted on YouTube!

I know it has been posted on IGN website some time ago, but on YouTube we can thumbs down![/quote]

Damn right.

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What a jerk! Burn…

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I have hated IGN for quite some time now, but this guy just topped everything I´ve seen before. He is only a narrow minded self serving moron who has no clue what he is talking about. It's all about flaming us, instead of actually understanding the situation, and if not agreeing with us, at least respecting our cause....

I wonder how much he got paid to say that....

BURN IGN....[/quote]
I thought there was one article on IGN that said Bioware should release free DLC, if that's true spare that writer lol

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he looks like a pretentious douche 

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By the way...Bioware never said this was the end of Mass Effect. They said this was the end of Shepherd's storyline.

What I imagine they are going to do is relase a whole mess of DLC content to plug up the holes and then release Mass Effect 4 which will continue the story with a different protagonist picking up where Shepherd left off.

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Ivon wrote...

Annaleah wrote...


DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...


WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(゚Д゚щ)


Begins with a 'C'

and ends with 'Man'

Cow Man? :huh:

#24179
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DifferentD17 wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

That thread is around 300+ pages and going strong, I believe


Lol well I can't find it now. I'll keep searching though.

Is this the one you are looking for?
http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423

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dfstone wrote...

I think Ars Technica summed it up perfectly (http://arstechnica.c...ory-control.ars):

Of course, that's their right as authors. Despite the illusion of player control throughout the Mass Effect series, we players have always been passengers on a train ride whose branching tracks had been laid by someone else. Just because all those tracks seem to end in a similar place doesn't mean you can demand that the track-layers change the ride now that it's over.


It seems unlikely these protests will come to anything, in any case. When video game protest efforts like this do work, which happens very rarely, they're usually focused purely on business decisions and not artistic ones (see Project Rainfall's recent successful efforts to get Japanese Wii RPGs released in the West). Bioware obviously put a lot of time and thought into the artistic direction for the ending to this series, and they're unlikely to betray that vision just because a group of vocal fans are upset with it.
Still, the strength of the backlash among a vocal minority of fans shows that, when you give players a degree of control over the way a story develops, some are likely to see that as a right to demand fuller control of everything related to that story.


I would hardly call us a vocal minority. Many of us do not have the habit of posting in the forums and we only joined in to show how outraged we are in respect of Bioware/EA lack of respect for the community. It is also interesting that whenever the playerbase complain about something, they are always called a "vocal minority".

Secondly, we are only demanding what was advertise. We understand that we have no rights over the artistic decisions made by Bioware's teams, but we do have the right to demand what he paid for. It was said many times over that our decisions would matter and have a great impact on how the series would end. This above all has been proven a lie. What would happen if I bought a car and paid for a blue one, but instead got a pink car because the artist behind the car's design claims that only the pink color will match the car's curves? If we buy a product and it is not delivered as promised it is our right and duty as paying customer's to complain about it and to ask for a full refund of the product.

As if it was not enough, Bioware/EA lack of acknowledgement regarding their massive mistake is another slap on the custormer's face and only shows how they lack interest on the faithful fans that have been following them for all those years. ( I for once have been a fan since Baldur's Gate)

I know there is little to no change of the product been modified only because the fans are asking for. And I know I will never get the satisfaction of playing a completed and polished product as the one I paied for. But on the other hand I am getting my satisfaction from watching how many fans are disgrunted with Bioware's behavior on the issue, and also on watching how sales are dropping and EA stock market shares are falling. Hopefully I will see both companies bankrupting for lack of customer's due to their lack of respect of the customer's base.

That would give me plenty of satisfaction..

And for those who are in here with me holding the line. People, if the gaming industry only think of money, don't buy their products ever again until they show you they can and will care for the people behind the money...

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Annaleah wrote...


DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...


WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(゚Д゚щ)


People under reaper control...

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Just testing to see if I managed to get the Child's Play banner into my signature...

Edit: I did! Yay!

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AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

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We need the asians... We need the Japan and Korea Fleet!


we have a north and south korea fleets ? :o did we achive peace between those two over this ? :o


Popular media and games are not allowed into North Korea.  Communism does not allow it.


But South Korea?

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MissNet wrote...

I have to say, that our fleets are stronger with each passing day. I've created a map of our forces, geography is pretty impressive. 

If you've got the time, could you slap a pin on Baltimore, MD for me? ^__^

Just got back from thumbs downing that rediculous IGN vid and donating to the Child's Play fund. Gonna go play the game for a bit. Hold the line while I'm gone! c=

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wicked_being wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Annaleah wrote...


DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...


WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(゚Д゚щ)


Begins with a 'C'

and ends with 'Man'

Cow Man? :huh:


Well...he is.......utterly crazy :lol:

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sumo390 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

That thread is around 300+ pages and going strong, I believe


Lol well I can't find it now. I'll keep searching though.

Is this the one you are looking for?
http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423


Yes thank you, don't know why I couldn't find it. I even used the search bar...

#24187
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Forbes - How Bioware Could Find Redemption Using Mass Effect 3 > IGN - Mass Effect 3 - Ending Controversy Opinion Video

More respectful source with a more respectful view. WHO WOULDA THOUGHT?

**** IGN.

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dfstone wrote...

By the way...Bioware never said this was the end of Mass Effect. They said this was the end of Shepherd's storyline.

What I imagine they are going to do is relase a whole mess of DLC content to plug up the holes and then release Mass Effect 4 which will continue the story with a different protagonist picking up where Shepherd left off.


But there there's no story to continue. The mass relays are destroyed.

#24189
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DifferentD17 wrote...


Annaleah wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9476-Mass-Effect-3-The-Process

Don't know if it has been posted.


I want a Garrus japanese body pillow...


Who doesn't? lol


After seen this here, I actually googled it and looked for it on ebay and it doesn't seme to exist...so merch idea, Bioware? I would buy it, but make sure you make a N7 and a Kaidan one (and a Liara and..you get the idea) :P

Oh look, I hate the ending but I still love ME...ha...:crying:

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"1.000 red. The target has uterrly been destroyed, the green shields were not able to hold the fire off from the reaper. Ascending to battle. AH! another Reaper, Call the Ghost busters. We need to let them deal with Casper."

No, seriously. It is good that people dislike. If he is not properly informed, this is what he gets.

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thegamefreek78648 wrote...

I don't get it....
A lot of people keep saying that everything Shepard and crew did was rendered meaningless, but I just don't see it.

The Reapers have been stopped and the races that would have been destroyed are now safe.

Shepard's death and/or the destruction of the Mass Relays does not change the fact that he succeeded. Shepard won.

Are the survivors in a tough spot? Yes, but they will survive over all.

Shepard wasn't doing all this to save the people of today, he was doing it to save the people who come in a year, 10 years, 100 years, 1,000 years, 10,000 years, 50,000 years will never have to fear the Reapers again.

Every race you made an alliance with, every race you saved [if you saved the Krogan and Geth] will live well into the future and that is what the fight against the Reapers was all about.

In real life real hero's often don't live to see them selves be proclaimed as hero's and they never do what they do to be come hero's. They do it to save as many lives as they can, even if it costs them their own because it is the right thing to do.


umm, sorry, but the evern though the reapers are stopped, the races that came to earth are stranded there. They arent safe. Quarian and turyan races have  dietary needs that cant be addressed by any food on eart, and the emp explosion that knocked out the reapers would have knocked out all of earths technologie for creating a solution. SO they will all starve to death.  Plus, its also an argued possibility that when the relays exploded, they like in Arrival, destroyed the sector thery were in, rendering the entire galaxy destroyed. Since all known upcoming Bioware DLCs  are based on a time before these events we cant see Bioware disagreeing with this last summarization. Basically, Everyone is either dead, dieing, or deserted. Your LI ( if it holds any importance too you ) runs away in the middle of the battle and has babies on another planet with Joker.. Right..
At least we now know where Bioware stands. like Joker, the run away prefering to show their cowardice and not fight, leaving upwards of 2.3 million fans to die to their frasnchise.
IGN has joined them in their cowardice. I guess money has more influence than being honest to your subscribers.

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deathscythe517 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Here's what I think is an epic response to that article by Unigolyn and pretty much sums everything up:

DEUS EX MACHINA:

You're getting your literary devices mixed up. The Crucible is not deus ex machina, it is a MacGuffin. It's largely irrelevant except as a plot device. It is the exhaust port on the Death Star.

The narrative of ME3 is not about finding the Crucible, it is about building the greatest alliance ever seen in the galaxy (which the Crucible, as a plot device, allows to happen).

Why the Catalyst AI and his Monty Hall spiel of the Adjust Hue/Saturation is a deus ex machina is that it is the resolution to the narrative. The fact that he is also literally a "god from the machine" is irrelevant, albeit ironic. He is a deus ex machina in the literary sense, i.e. a handwaved contrivance that shows up out of the blue to quickly whisk away all the dangling story threads, and to abruptly end the story.

This is abysmal writing. This is abysmal game design; a Pick Your Own Adventure book where all choices take you to the same final chapter. It is counter to everything this game is. And what is this game?

In a recent Extra Credits, Portnow discussed core elements of a game. The Mass Effect series is really not a third person shooter. It is also really not a roll-the-dice-and-level-up CRPG. Mass Effect is, at its core, interactive fiction. All the memorable moments in these games take place in cutscenes that play out in myriad ways based on prior choices. You are role-playing in the most literal sense of crafting a character's personality based on your choices. The climax of Mass Effect 2 was not shooting the Human Reaper in the eye, the climax of Mass Effect 2 were the cutscenes that played and showed the results of your actions. Did you defy TIM? Did your crewmates survive? If your choices were poor enough, you could defeat the final boss, only to make a desperate leap towards the Normandy with no one to catch you.

The desperate leap in Mass Effect 3 is your dash towards the Beam. The only input that matters at all past this point is the encounter with TIM. That encounter is true to Mass Effect, and honors your previous choices, and provides closure for the secondary antagonist.

But for the main antagonist (Reapers), nothing you did matters. You are given three arbitrary choices to solve a problem that, depending on your actions, may be proven to be a false dilemma in the first place. If you saved both the Quarians and the Geth, witnessed Legion's messianic sacrifice, and humanized EDI - the Catalyst's claim of organic/synthetic conflict being unavoidable is patently false.

The Catalyst AI is completely incongruous with the narrative and the themes of the game. It shows up, provides a complete strawman of a conflict, and then offers three vapid, plot-hole ridden resolutions to this conflict, which abruptly end the narrative in a blinding flash of Space Magic (pick your color!).

CHOICES DON'T MATTER

Again, you're missing the point. No one is complaining about the preceding 30 hours of gameplay. Choices did seem to matter. Your treatment of the Rachni queen from two games ago ended up gaining you a seemingly valuable ally. Saving Wrex can gain a hopeful future for the Krogan. Your choices regarding Legion and the Migrant Fleet in ME2 have incredibly strong consequences in the seeming conclusion of the Geth/Quarian storyline. This is why we loved the game up to the ending.

And the ending completely demolished all of it, and made it completely illusory. Who gives a **** if you saved the Rachni? They just end up giving you Space Points and don't affect your ending at all. Who gives a **** if the Quarians or Geth or both survived? They're all dead anyway. Who cares if you cured the genophage and saved the one leader who could lead the Krogan into a less brutish, more hopeful future? He's either trapped on earth or dead, and the radioactive husk that is Tuchanka cannot sustain their race without supplies anyway.

And even more egregiously, the choices you made in the development of YOUR Shepard don't matter. She acts EXACTLY the same when facing the ultimate antagonist regardless of whether she's a Space Racist Renegade or Never Surrender Paragon or whatever your Shepard actually is, and what (insert pronoun) stands for.

You accept Space Hitler's premise without argument, and dejectedly pick one of the three Slightly Less Turning Everyone Into Paste final solutions he has to offer.

How does it matter in the slightest that I've done the frickin' impossible and united the Geth and the Quarians into a hopeful future, shown that we need not fear synthetic life, seen a nascent artificial sentience freely decide to set "Love and compassion" as their main motivation, and fought for the reactionary, bleak idea of "AI will always rebel" to be proven wrong? Space Hitler shows up, says "AI will always rebel, here are drastic fixes to this undeniable problem". And I go "yessuh"?

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO SAD

It's not sad. You are being incredibly myopic and dismissive of our experiences by reducing it to "y every1 has 2 diezorz?". The ending of the story is not actually sad, it's just anticlimactic, contrived, incongruous, and ridden with plot holes.

The part that's sad and what's tearing me apart is that this is not a case of people writing themselves into a corner. This is not a case of glorified hacks like Ronald D. Moore or Cuse/Lindelof making **** up as they go along, to find themselves at the end with no way to tie all the crap together in a cathartic way.

This is a beautifully written game, for the majority of the experience. Bioware has bona fide talent within their ranks. And the story, up to the very end, is redeemable in dozens of ways. Even the contrived, out-of-the-blue Star Child could be made into an interesting character by presenting it as a shackled AI who was given a specific, limited goal born of fear (stop AI from wiping out organic life forever), and it arrived at the grotesque solution of Reapers not because AI is evil, but the constraints never allow it to look past the false dilemma it's attempting to solve.

Most importantly, this is not a TV show or a movie. This narrative is, by design, told in a unique medium which is NOT doomed to give us a singular ending. Our Shepards can be varied, yes, but there is a finite amount of paradigms that lead you to the end, and they could all have a cathartic, poignant, and persistent ending. Let the Renegades ascend to rule the galaxy. Let the Paragons defeat primitive fear and xenophobia.

I do not care if the Relays have to go down, but don't do it in such a thoughtless way as to destroy everything meaningful I accomplished. I do not care if my Shepard dies. In fact, I expected her to go down in a blaze of glory, in the greatest battle that shall ever be fought, for the most meaningful (to her) victory a soldier could ever earn. She did not get this. I did not get this.

TENS OF THOUSANDS of people didn't get this. We are not asking for a Disney ending. We are not asking for a dance party with Ewoks. We are just asking for our Big Damn Heroes to go out on their own terms, win or lose.


Just thought I'd share, put it wonderfully.

Bumping this for new audiences

#24193
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 proof endings were changed





After checking these boards, bioware forums, the twitters of various people involved with the game, audio file rips as well as some information I've gathered from other sources, I decided to talk with someone who used to run their own review website who still has ties to some people in the video game industry. That includes Bioware (they had sent him early review copies of the first ME). Anyway that's not what's important. The point is what I'm about to say you can take with a grain of salt if you want. I'm not here for attention or because I'm a fanboy of bioware. I'm simply here to help you all make sense of this situation. It will make a lot of sense and put the little things you've all found together. The reasoning for the ending change was they needed more time to implement it (this was supposed to be the reason for the delay) but Kinect implementation and the desire by some people (perhaps EA) to have an ending where things are left to interpretation messed with this. The ending was quickly altered which is why things don't "fit" and there are plot holes. Anyway, below is how things were supposed to happen.

The original ending was SUPPOSED to be extremely varied. Everything remained the same up until the part when Harbinger shoots at you and your team. This is when information that has appeared here already comes into play. There were going to be various outcomes determining how you reached the citadel and it was HOW you got there that determined what endings would be available to you. The following were the different scenarios from worst to best (based on EMS and war assets)

A: Your whole squad gets wiped out (the two crew members you took with you, Anderson). You struggle to make it to the citadel. Right as you're about to make it to the beam, Harbinger talks to you, saying you've been defeated and he kills you. Joker tries to swoop down to save you, but he also gets shot down.

B: Most of your squad gets wiped out. Still only you are able to make it to the citadel. Once up there, you must confront the illusive man alone. Because of this, unless you have high reputation and either talk him down or renegade interrupt and shoot him, he kills you and tries to control the reapers, but fails as he discovers he was indoctrinated. 

C: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together and make your way to the control panel where you confront TIM. The same thing plays out where you can talk him down. With high enough reputation, you can "save" Anderson but its not necessary for you to make it to the next part. Anderson dies after TIM is shot or kills himself like in the ending we got.

D: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together while you're two squad maters, who clearly survive, are holding off the reapers from following you to the citadel. Everything continues the same here as "C" until after TIM is shot and killed and the final conversation that Anderson and Shepard have (which is much longer than what we got). You get the shorter convo in C.

[The following you only see with outcome "C' and "D"] Shepard looks out at the war going on and activates the crucible. Hacketts says its not working. This is when Harbinger talks to Shepard through TIM as he lies on the ground. Harbinger tries to convince you that you've fail but you can argue with him. Harbinger says that he has your crew in his cross hairs. We see the Normandy arrive (the joker dialogue that was cut) and the rest of your friends help the two squad members you brought with you face off against Harbinger and his reaper minions.
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message detailYou basically have a choice. You can submit to him and he claims he will spare your squad and earth until the next cycle because he is impressed that you were able to make it this far. This is when the motive of the reapers is more clearly established. Harbinger reveals that in the previous cycle, the prothean empire became too vast and they began to control all the other races, which would have prevented all of our races from developing. However, through more discussion, Shepard can uncover their true motives. They fear that they will be rivaled by something more powerful than they are (that this cycle will create AI that can topple the reapers). This implies they are merely fearful for their own survival and that is why they purge all life but they convince themselves they are protecting us.

Either way, you can submit to him and save your people or take your chances. Having 4000 EMS, not submitting to him you would lose everyone, but still eventually get to the three choices we actually got (more on this in a second). Having 5000+ and depending on how you resolved conflicts between characters and races, certain people will live or die. 

After rejecting him (whether you lose everyone or not), you end up in the area where vent boy was but hes not there. It's just you and "Harbinger". He explains that a new solution is needed. The solution he tries to convince you to take is merge (to perseve his kind). But if you have high enough reputation once again, you can open the control and destroy option. Harbinger tries to talk you out of it by discussing how your races are divided and mentioning the geth incident. You convince him otherwise, and it is at this point, the control option opens next where he admits that shepard may have a perspective he never considered. Harbinger tells Shepard that if he destroys them, the relays will be destroyed as will the geth (which is true. This is the only ending where the relays are destroyed).

Now for the four endings.

If you submit to him before the three main choices, the reapers leave earth but end up wiping out every other race who haven't proved themselves worthy. Shepard dies.

If you merge, the reapers leave and like the ending we got, we see all the characters we know with green eyes as a green light brightens the sky. Shepard dies for the same reasons in the ending we got.

The control option, the reapers leave. Everyone cautiously celebrates while joker and your LI look up to the sky and wonder what exactly happened. Life goes on but its hinted that the reaper threat may return. This ending ends on a cliffhanger.

The destroy ending does destroy the relays, but its implied that with all the races on earth, they, together, will restore what they lost and will attempt to work together. if shepard lives, your LI leading your squad, will be looking for you. You are beamed back down to earth (its assumed shepard was somehow blasted into the beam? this is the only questionable part). It ends with shepard's hand coming out of the rubble and breathing. Still a cliffhanger of sorts, but you can assume they will find him/her obviously.
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Ivon wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Annaleah wrote...


DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...


WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(゚Д゚щ)


Begins with a 'C'

and ends with 'Man'

Cow Man? :huh:


Well...he is.......utterly crazy :lol:


LOL oh gawd.

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[quote]ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

[quote]sumo390 wrote...

[quote]Nilofeliu wrote...

[quote]Dan Rosse wrote...

[quote]Nathos wrote...

Hey guys (and girls),

look what IGN posted on YouTube!

I know it has been posted on IGN website some time ago, but on YouTube we can thumbs down![/quote]

Damn right.

[/quote]

What a jerk! Burn…

[/quote]

I have hated IGN for quite some time now, but this guy just topped everything I´ve seen before. He is only a narrow minded self serving moron who has no clue what he is talking about. It's all about flaming us, instead of actually understanding the situation, and if not agreeing with us, at least respecting our cause....

I wonder how much he got paid to say that....

BURN IGN....[/quote]
I thought there was one article on IGN that said Bioware should release free DLC, if that's true spare that writer lol

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he looks like a pretentious douche 

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It HAD to be done!

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This is one of those what were they thinking moments. It's a shame really. Anyone remember John Romero or Derek Smart? There names would create flame wars whenever they were mentioned. I think Bioware just joined them. ME 3 was amazing right up to the last ten minutes where it went all wrong. I don't think they can recover from this. I really do feel sorry for them.

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To my disappointment I found that EA stock is up currently....

https://www.google.c...=ob&q=NASDAQ:EA

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Web comic from the escapist agreeing with us:
http://www.escapistm...t-3-The-Process

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wicked_being wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Annaleah wrote...


DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...


WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(゚Д゚щ)


Begins with a 'C'

and ends with 'Man'

Cow Man? :huh:


In my mind, it's more dirty :devil:

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AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.


Same here.