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[morph4037]

Annaleah wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Is the hallucination thread still going? My fiancee was playing ME2 and EDI said there were literally pieces of Sovereign in the Normandy. Scary...

WHO friggin put pieces of Sovereign on the ship?! щ(ﾟДﾟщ)

Begins with a 'C'

and ends with 'Man'

Cow Man?

*snip*

Indeed, he is behind everything... look at those udders, conspirative udders.

Male cows don't have udders...

SPACE MAGIC!!!! 

[Generic Name]

So this thread just vanish for anyone else for about a minute?

[cantido21]

Commander chinFuzz wrote...

cantido21 wrote...

To my disappointment I found that EA stock is up currently....

https://www.google.c...=ob&q=NASDAQ:EA

You know what'd be impossible but funny as hell? Everyone buy EA stocks.

But it'd only work if we got 51% of the overall stock options. Then WE'D own EA.

And being the owners of the company, we say 'remake the ending' they say

"Yes sir."

(Just wanted to lol)

How wonderful the day would be, but I don't see us rasing 2.7B at this point...

[Rob8228]

I posted this last night, but I figure more people might see it now, if the haven't already.

So I am not sure who has read thee codex, I am looking at it now. I am not sure if this was mentioned, but it plays right into indoctrination theory.

Codex--->The Reapers--->Indoctrination:

• Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences.Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's to amplify it's signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

This sells me on indoctrination theory, and tells me that the right choice is destroy everything, if that part is even real. I feel pretty strongly about getting a DLC from the point of Shepard's breathing now. Whether or not that sequence actually happened is another question. 

Modifié par Rob8228, 13 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Phaenan]

When I heard about the voices against the endings, I thought it couldn't get worse than the original Fallout 3 epilogue: the sacrifice of the protagonist. That wouldn't be so bad if it was just one of the endings, and several games had this kind of ending. They can even feel good for the player: I know I loved how one of my Warden died slaying that Archdemon wyrmling.
But now that I saw the endings for myself, I've got to say, I'm a tad frustrated. I ain't going to shout and kick around like a banshee, but still: it was a frustrating experience.
Why did I bother gathering every single bit of war effort, I wonder. That score seems to do jack aside for the Renegade / Destroy ending. Having my squad - including my LI - miraculously teleported on the Normandy instead of going through the end with my Shepard was the icing on the cake. How on Earth - pun intended - was that possible? The three options I was given at the end were, well, my idea of a "bad ending". The kind of ending you get when you didn't achieve enough through the game. Shepard dead, galaxy thrown back to pre-space travel age. That wouldn't be so bad if it was just an option and we had a way of getting less bitter endings. I wouldn't mind everybody and their dogs dying in an ending, I wouldn't mind a reaper victory ending, but I also "wouldn't mind" being able to save face after getting attached to the characters for the past 5 years or so.
Unfortunately, I look at my other "Shepards" waiting in line for their ME3 experience and - as it stands - I wonder what'd be the point. They'll die anyway, their LI will randomly end up on some lost planet no matter what, and the galaxy will still be left without mass relays no matter what I try. I hoped the "neutral" synthesis ending would give me that, but even then nothing really change for the protagonist and his/her LI. 
Come on, 5 years and 100+ hours of gameplay for that?
Meh.
Really, meh.
Where is my ending with Tali on Rannoch. Even if the relays have to be destroyed right after they get there !

[IndustrializedTaco]

Kyzee wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

 proof endings were changed





After checking these boards, bioware forums, the twitters of various people involved with the game, audio file rips as well as some information I've gathered from other sources, I decided to talk with someone who used to run their own review website who still has ties to some people in the video game industry. That includes Bioware (they had sent him early review copies of the first ME). Anyway that's not what's important. The point is what I'm about to say you can take with a grain of salt if you want. I'm not here for attention or because I'm a fanboy of bioware. I'm simply here to help you all make sense of this situation. It will make a lot of sense and put the little things you've all found together. The reasoning for the ending change was they needed more time to implement it (this was supposed to be the reason for the delay) but Kinect implementation and the desire by some people (perhaps EA) to have an ending where things are left to interpretation messed with this. The ending was quickly altered which is why things don't "fit" and there are plot holes. Anyway, below is how things were supposed to happen.

The original ending was SUPPOSED to be extremely varied. Everything remained the same up until the part when Harbinger shoots at you and your team. This is when information that has appeared here already comes into play. There were going to be various outcomes determining how you reached the citadel and it was HOW you got there that determined what endings would be available to you. The following were the different scenarios from worst to best (based on EMS and war assets)

A: Your whole squad gets wiped out (the two crew members you took with you, Anderson). You struggle to make it to the citadel. Right as you're about to make it to the beam, Harbinger talks to you, saying you've been defeated and he kills you. Joker tries to swoop down to save you, but he also gets shot down.

B: Most of your squad gets wiped out. Still only you are able to make it to the citadel. Once up there, you must confront the illusive man alone. Because of this, unless you have high reputation and either talk him down or renegade interrupt and shoot him, he kills you and tries to control the reapers, but fails as he discovers he was indoctrinated. 

C: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together and make your way to the control panel where you confront TIM. The same thing plays out where you can talk him down. With high enough reputation, you can "save" Anderson but its not necessary for you to make it to the next part. Anderson dies after TIM is shot or kills himself like in the ending we got.

D: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together while you're two squad maters, who clearly survive, are holding off the reapers from following you to the citadel. Everything continues the same here as "C" until after TIM is shot and killed and the final conversation that Anderson and Shepard have (which is much longer than what we got). You get the shorter convo in C.

[The following you only see with outcome "C' and "D"] Shepard looks out at the war going on and activates the crucible. Hacketts says its not working. This is when Harbinger talks to Shepard through TIM as he lies on the ground. Harbinger tries to convince you that you've fail but you can argue with him. Harbinger says that he has your crew in his cross hairs. We see the Normandy arrive (the joker dialogue that was cut) and the rest of your friends help the two squad members you brought with you face off against Harbinger and his reaper minions.
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message detailYou basically have a choice. You can submit to him and he claims he will spare your squad and earth until the next cycle because he is impressed that you were able to make it this far. This is when the motive of the reapers is more clearly established. Harbinger reveals that in the previous cycle, the prothean empire became too vast and they began to control all the other races, which would have prevented all of our races from developing. However, through more discussion, Shepard can uncover their true motives. They fear that they will be rivaled by something more powerful than they are (that this cycle will create AI that can topple the reapers). This implies they are merely fearful for their own survival and that is why they purge all life but they convince themselves they are protecting us.

Either way, you can submit to him and save your people or take your chances. Having 4000 EMS, not submitting to him you would lose everyone, but still eventually get to the three choices we actually got (more on this in a second). Having 5000+ and depending on how you resolved conflicts between characters and races, certain people will live or die. 

After rejecting him (whether you lose everyone or not), you end up in the area where vent boy was but hes not there. It's just you and "Harbinger". He explains that a new solution is needed. The solution he tries to convince you to take is merge (to perseve his kind). But if you have high enough reputation once again, you can open the control and destroy option. Harbinger tries to talk you out of it by discussing how your races are divided and mentioning the geth incident. You convince him otherwise, and it is at this point, the control option opens next where he admits that shepard may have a perspective he never considered. Harbinger tells Shepard that if he destroys them, the relays will be destroyed as will the geth (which is true. This is the only ending where the relays are destroyed).

Now for the four endings.

If you submit to him before the three main choices, the reapers leave earth but end up wiping out every other race who haven't proved themselves worthy. Shepard dies.

If you merge, the reapers leave and like the ending we got, we see all the characters we know with green eyes as a green light brightens the sky. Shepard dies for the same reasons in the ending we got.

The control option, the reapers leave. Everyone cautiously celebrates while joker and your LI look up to the sky and wonder what exactly happened. Life goes on but its hinted that the reaper threat may return. This ending ends on a cliffhanger.

The destroy ending does destroy the relays, but its implied that with all the races on earth, they, together, will restore what they lost and will attempt to work together. if shepard lives, your LI leading your squad, will be looking for you. You are beamed back down to earth (its assumed shepard was somehow blasted into the beam? this is the only questionable part). It ends with shepard's hand coming out of the rubble and breathing. Still a cliffhanger of sorts, but you can assume they will find him/her obviously.
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http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265

I will take this with a grain of salt, yes, but it does give things a whole new perspective. I am reevaluating everything I've thought until this point.

It makes sense. It really does, I would of liked this over what we got. I thought that this was an EA thing, and not a Bioware thing. I mean Bioware has had fumbles in their past no doubt, but I honestly don't think they would purposefully **** up one of the most popular IP's in gaming.

Modifié par beetlebailey123, 13 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[NPH11]

KRAETZNER wrote...

There is no rebuilding the relays. Imagine present day earth if it was globally nuked, and Emp'd, but on a glactic scale. Lets say your alive on your home planet, and the radiation, left over reaper debris, ice age from debris in atmoshphere, doesn't kill you. The best you can hope for is a Fallout 3 type of existance. If any species survives it will be an isolated event as with the protheans on Ilos.

I don't think the situation at the end of ME3 is at that level of grimness TBQH. The Reapers didn't destroy everything, Mainly major urban centres. Most ships should still be in working order and could be used to clear some of that debris from space if need be. The planet is in bad shape, but I don't think it's reached the levels of global nuclear war causing planetary devestation.

[BratacTealcorg]

I want to be on Rannoch with my Love Tali in our wonderfull house

[DirtyBird627]

Rob8228 wrote...

I posted this last night, but I figure more people might see it now, if the haven't already.

So I am not sure who has read thee codex, I am looking at it now. I am not sure if this was mentioned, but it plays right into indoctrination theory.

Codex--->The Reapers--->Indoctrination:


Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences.Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's to amplify it's signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.
[/list]This sells me on indoctrination theory, and tells me that the right choice is destroy everything, if that part is even real. I feel pretty strongly about getting a DLC from the point of Shepard's breathing now. Whether or not that sequence actually happened is another question. 

I commented last night but wanted to again, this indoctrination theory is about all that gives me hope right now. It seems more plausible everyday. Or perhaps I've just indoctrinated myself into believing it... either way its nice to have until we hear something official.

[Denethar]

I'd compared the ending to this.



Everything right, and then failure.

[BCMakoto]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

DirtyBird627 wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

True or not I think harbinger talking through TIMs corpse would have been so much better than starchild..

I'm not gonna lie... I missed Harbringer's voice... I wanted to know what he was up to! 

It never made sense to me that it wasn't directly involved in someway, I mean it's the leader of the Reapers and we don't even get to face off against it.

Was Harbinger the reaper that "killed" Shepard?

Yes, but unlike in two, he was not a big number. Harbinger, as leader, could have told us so much. What are the reapers, who made them, why?
Not this fricking ghostchild. It would be awesome to see Shepard standing on the citadel, the giant harbinger in front of him, talking.

[Uezurii]

Capeo wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

 

Sorry.  I don't believe any of that.  The leaked script, which is way old, matches the game exactly.  There is none of what is written above in it.

Yes there is. All of this was there. Just like the Anderson and Shepard before the Conduit thing. Shepard had his leg injured and Anderson supported him trough the Conduit. Another one was Shepard running to the conduit with anderson behind him, but anderson get's grabbed by a Husk, and just before shepard can shoot the Husk, the Conduit beams him up.
There is more too. It has been posted in a different thread, will try to find it.

[WvStolzing]

dfstone wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

But there there's no story to continue. The mass relays are destroyed.

Sure there is.  Because of how they ended Shepherd's storyline leaves them completely open to take the series in any direction they want.  They can start a brand new Mass Effect series based on completely different tech/plotlines.   If they ended it with happy bunny unicorns and rainbows and everyone lived happily ever after what would be the point in creating any new Mass Effect games?  It would just be more of the same...same universe, same plotlines, same general tech etc.  Now they have the freedom to move the franchise anywhere.

Yeah, that's why the Star Wars franchise died after RotJ...

[Wolfgang_Ocelot]

Will be putting up a video review of the game this week, after taking into account all the issues you guys and I had. Shall be fun putting up my first review.

Hopefully by the end of the day we will have 1000 pages.

Well I'm off to classes Hold the line while I'm gone.

[Zhijn]

Just a thought.. In Arrival when we blew up the relay it took out planets on massive scale, like over the top area got wiped.

So looking past the indoctrination theory in ME3 and Shepard actually blew the relays to hell and beyond. Wouldnt Earth and every other planet within relay range get torn apart?. All of this dont make sens anymore!. =/

[Cossack72]

An ending where the relays are deactivated, not destroyed, would be a good compromise.

It'd be bleak because all the people in the systems with relays would be trapped until they reactivated them

But the fact that they can be reactivated provides hope that things will eventually return to normal.

Modifié par Cossack72, 13 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[DifferentD17]

BratacTealcorg wrote...

I want to be on Rannoch with my Love Tali in our wonderfull house

A lot of us want an ending with our LIs, but I'm sure a lot would settle (including me) for a better ending in general.

[Annaleah]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

DirtyBird627 wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

True or not I think harbinger talking through TIMs corpse would have been so much better than starchild..

I'm not gonna lie... I missed Harbringer's voice... I wanted to know what he was up to! 

It never made sense to me that it wasn't directly involved in someway, I mean it's the leader of the Reapers and we don't even get to face off against it.

Was Harbinger the reaper that "killed" Shepard?

Yeah you can tell because it's the reaper with lights on the front shaped like a smiley face

[zarnk567]

Zhijn wrote...

Just a thought.. In Arrival when we blew up the relay it took out planets on massive scale, like over the top area got wiped.

So looking past the indoctrination theory in ME3 and Shepard actually blew the relays to hell and beyond. Wouldnt Earth and every other planet within relay range get torn apart?. All of this dont make sens anymore!. =/

exactly, so Shepard just did what the reapers set out to do..... 

[ShaneP]

I wanted to see my ending with Liara and the 'Little blue children'

And I can't remember who posted it, but the implication that the mass relays couldn't be created is incorrect. The fact that the Protheans managed to partially reverse engineer it with the conduit is testament to the fact that the technology could be re-created.

[DirtyBird627]

Cossack72 wrote...

An ending where the relays are deactivated, not destroyed, would be a good compromise.

It'd be bleak because all the people in the systems with relays would be trapped until they reactivated them

But the fact that they can be reactivated provides hope that things will eventually return to normal.

That's just the thing isn't it, the endings provide us with absolutely no hope for anything good. I could live with it, if we knew there was a possibility that things would get better, just need information.

[BCMakoto]

Zhijn wrote...

Just a thought.. In Arrival when we blew up the relay it took out planets on massive scale, like over the top area got wiped.

So looking past the indoctrination theory in ME3 and Shepard actually blew the relays to hell and beyond. Wouldnt Earth and every other planet within relay range get torn apart?. All of this dont make sens anymore!. =/

This is said on EVERY page so far.

[FinalEndeavor]

[IndustrializedTaco]

Annaleah wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

DirtyBird627 wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

True or not I think harbinger talking through TIMs corpse would have been so much better than starchild..

I'm not gonna lie... I missed Harbringer's voice... I wanted to know what he was up to! 

It never made sense to me that it wasn't directly involved in someway, I mean it's the leader of the Reapers and we don't even get to face off against it.

Was Harbinger the reaper that "killed" Shepard?

Yeah you can tell because it's the reaper with lights on the front shaped like a smiley face

Yeah I wanted to take satisfaction of killing Harbinger myself... <_<