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[ARCTIC EAGLE]

Come on people, we only need about 4,000 more votes to achieve a significant number that being 40,000. Lets make that goal by midnight along with extending this thread to 1,000 pages.
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Modifié par ARCTIC EAGLE, 13 mars 2012 - 08:15 .

[Theory75]

Kyzee wrote...

I think everyone should take a look at this video and reassess their outrage. I know I have.

Damn you, I watched the video and as soon as I heard the music I became sad and depressed...again. I hate what this game has done to me.

[stucksuburbanite]

We all seem to be on the same page here but I just quickly want to put my two cents in. I could reluctantly accept Shepard sacrificing himself at the end of the game if only there was some additional closure as to what happened to the the rest of the galaxy. However, I stress the word reluctant: after the span of three games I've grown more than attached to my Shepard and although his sacrifice is heroic, it's about damn time the Shepard got a happy ending. The end of ME1 was hopeful; the end of ME2 prepared us for the impending Reaper attack. But the end of ME3 is just a straight up punch to the gut. The ending has caused me no small amount of emotional trauma: isn't it bad enough that I get that in everyday life? I don't need a video game to add to that.

[Ziajin]

KRAETZNER wrote...

Ziajin wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

dfstone wrote...

I don't see how this is a sad ending. I see it as a positive ending. This whole game from ME1-ME3 you learned that everything you saw and experienced was all put in place by someone else. The entire ME universe was built on a lie, the technology the way the civilizations grew, how they interacted, the way they traveled the universe it was all put forward.

Humanity didn't learn anything, none of the races did, they just picked up what someone else built for them to find. It was like being a rat in a maze forced to find the cheese and someone kept moving the cheese.

I found the whole story to be very depressing once you had that first conversation with Soverign and he told you about the cycle and later on discovered how the Protheans had been manipulating other species like the Humans and Asari with their beacons.

Now with Shepherd destroying the beacons, the relays and the reapers and freeing the whole galaxy from this eternal hamster wheel it was stuck on, everyone is finally free. I think its a positive ending.

Ignorance is bliss.

You sir, are in the wrong thread. Just saying. This is for the people who agree the endings were terribad and whatnot. Trying to get us to change our mind with your opinion on how the endings were good, will not hold well here.

In other news. Good afternoon everyone! Any news from the front?

I assume you are talking to the one I was quoting?

Yes, I edited my post XD

[s8383783]

Blagh i'm just upset with the whole thing!
The indoctrination theory people and their cult like ways of explaining to me that I just don't understand the endings..that they will show me the epic story-writing light that is Bioware.

Arguments from others claiming me to be an entitled gamer brat, that wants a new ending because it wasn't "Disney" enough

And Bioware saying nothing!
I just..can't....
(Just finished the game btw)

[spacefiddle]

Hah, "didn't understand the ending?" I was disappointed before, now I'm pissed. It's doubly insulting since anyone who's read classic sci-fi by some of the great authors, or is over 25, or knows a damn thing about the genre, knows the ending with Joker and EDI is a cliched ripoff of a Golden Age running joke.

I understand the ending just fine. You made a counter-intuitive choice, and went for the Kubrik High-Falutin' Artsy Nihilist Ending and are all insulted and, a little, honestly hurt that people didn't praise it to high heaven. You completely discounted, forgot about, or ignored the point of view of the players who've been at this for 5 years now in pursuit of that artistic goal, and you're a little embarassed and a little peeved, so rather than engage in discussion, you make spontaneous snippy Twitter posts. Get over it. It happens.

[laughing sherpa girl]

RottenBerries wrote...

The mass relays themselves are irrelevant in terms of the continuation of the galaxy. There will be suffering, yes, but it takes less than 30 years to cross the galaxy using traditional FTL, so it's not the end of the worlds.

Wellllll,,  the simplest discussion here is that it may only take 30 years to cross the galaxy, but, only the quarian ships can manufacture food for their people, the rest?? it would b hard put to put 30 years worth of food on a ship..  For the quarians, creators of the geth,  you can count on their ships being AI and VI controlled.  Its unlikely any of them survived.   EDI obviously survives as one ending shows her leaving the normandy, but how thats possible i have no idea.. More space magic.
Chaos  in the wake of the reapers, reigns.

[TSC_1]

s8383783 wrote...

Blagh i'm just upset with the whole thing!
The indoctrination theory people and their cult like ways of explaining to me that I just don't understand the endings..that they will show me the epic story-writing light that is Bioware.

I actually quite like the indoctrination theory... but only because it provides a very logical place for BW to hook DLC that provides a real ending onto ME3 without having to do any major reworking.

[beserker7]

I was dissapointed that I did everything on 1 playthrough and could only get 3300 effective since Ididn't do multiplayer before and my galactic readiness was 51%.

The endings for people who didn't do multiplayer first are lame, I mean its Shepard and Anderson both die in all three with only Joker making out getting to be stranded on a planet, newly synthisized, so he can mate with EDI & Liara or something...who wrote that crap Seth Green,lol.

As long as there are ways to get endings where Shepard & Anderson live, i'm ok, but it shouldn't have been such a chore after 3 games and a full playthrough completing 99% of missions. Fans were going to play multiplayer anyway, forcing them to do it first was a bad call, as the story is what people want first. Multiplayer could have had other rewards.

Finally, I think people should give Bioware alot of credit and use your imagination a little. I reason that at this point in time after uniting all races, technology and enough Prothean research remains to fast-track the re-make of the relays. You still have the FTL speed ships, so you could still travel within solar systems and neighboring ones until the new relays were built. You have to pay some price for getting rid of the cycle/reapers. I also consider the boy either the master AI control reaper, as he says he is the one that controls the reapers, etc, so I felt like that was implied and shouldn't be taken as a dream,god-like being,shepard mind's creation or anything. Its not perfect, but Biware did a awesome job on these 3 games concept, art, story writing, gameplay, etc, appreciate that a little more and use you imagination until the next game.

Modifié par beserker7, 13 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[Darth Garrus]

dfstone wrote...

I don't see how this is a sad ending. I see it as a positive ending. This whole game from ME1-ME3 you learned that everything you saw and experienced was all put in place by someone else. The entire ME universe was built on a lie, the technology the way the civilizations grew, how they interacted, the way they traveled the universe it was all put forward.

Humanity didn't learn anything, none of the races did, they just picked up what someone else built for them to find. It was like being a rat in a maze forced to find the cheese and someone kept moving the cheese.

I found the whole story to be very depressing once you had that first conversation with Soverign and he told you about the cycle and later on discovered how the Protheans had been manipulating other species like the Humans and Asari with their beacons.

Now with Shepherd destroying the beacons, the relays and the reapers and freeing the whole galaxy from this eternal hamster wheel it was stuck on, everyone is finally free. I think its a positive ending.

Breaking the wheel and choosing a cage is not being free. Being free is keeping the wheel as a tool for you, but using it on your terms. Returning to the cage is not choosing freedom, is running away from responsibility and the burden of self discovery and interacting with others. How accepting imprisonment on Earth is freedom? How accepting that there is no way to win is freedom? It´s the contrary to freedom. And Earth just made contact after it developed the ability to travel to space. By themselves. Abandoning it is freedom?

Like I said before. That´s not what the ending means. The ending means that there´s no escape from emptyness. It means accepting that things can´t be changed, and that you should bow down before the powers that be.

[lwilhelmsen]

All I have to say about the ending at this point is.... Don't go into the light of the conduit in London! I suppose the longer I think about it the less horrible it is, but the biggest issue is that it feels that all our hard work and decisions don't matter. I know this has been said before, but I wanted to add my 2 cents. IT would be nice if BioWare added some closure and allowed the universe to go on as it was. I think what got me the most is that I worked SO hard to get peace between the Geth and the Quarians, the Turians and the Krogan, and it just didn't seem to matter. That and the universe was SO cool that the way in which it was changed made it less cool.

[Esker02]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Hard to keep up with this thread, so if this was already posted, sorry.  Adam Sessler of G4 talking about the ednings, dlc, same sex, etc

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721696/mass-effect-3-the-ending-dlc-and-same-sex-relationships-sesslers-soapbox/

One of the less knee-jerk critic reactions to our outporing. However, I have to wonder why so many of the "vidyagame critics" out there are pretty generally against what we're doing.

I mean, I get it. If video games are an artform, then artists have to be allowed to be artists, and popular opinion shouldn't be able to intercede on that vision. That said, RPGs are unique. They put us in the artist's chair, particularly when the RPG is specifically billed as impacting the story. I think, at a certain point (particularly when the saga spans multiple titles), the artist's vision defense became a two way street... in a certain way, the problem is that we felt like, indeed we were told, that we were crafting our story, only to have that stripped away from us at the last moment. In a sense, Sessler's argument, and the argument more generally, can be turned right back around in our favor.

I would see a very big difference, for instance, in requesting an alteration to the ending of ME3, a story driven RPG that we have been writing for three full titles now, as opposed to say, requesting an alteration to the ending of Halo 3, or Gears of War. Just my thoughts..

[cotheer]

Elanor1 wrote...

RebelByDesign wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

ShaneP wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

ShaneP wrote...

I wanted to see my ending with Liara and the 'Little blue children'

And I can't remember who posted it, but the implication that the mass relays couldn't be created is incorrect. The fact that the Protheans managed to partially reverse engineer it with the conduit is testament to the fact that the technology could be re-created.

Matriarch Aethyta even suggested the Asari make their own.

Unfortunately I missed her assignment, I'll have to do another playthrough

Just so you know, Matriarch Aethyta is in ME1.

No she isn't?

She's in ME2.

Is she that bartender on Illius?
If so, i don't remember her saying that they're building their own, but rather that it was her suggestion to do so instead of using the existing relays.

[Barbarossa2010]

Annaleah wrote...

I just wish Bioware would say SOMETHING about changing the ending or DLC for the ending... Then I would at least feel relieved and could go back to my life...

Honestly, and I say this being of like mind with you, I wouldn't expect anything from Bioware other than thinly veiled derision.  I've watched their reaction to fan criticisms since Nov 09, Origins, ME2, DA2, and (here in the very near future) ME3.  Their first response is dismissiveness through lower level employees and media lackeys.  Then they'll transition to the "we're listening, great feedback" phase from those directly in charge; then they'll pass directly into the veiled and ambiguous language of organizatonal self preservation, that "Some fans just don't get it."  You'll hear this from Dr. Muzyka, because the other one doesn't hide his emotions so well.

Believe me, I sympathize big time, we are of a like mind on this; but I now know Bioware's MO like the back of my hand when it comes to legitimate and widely held criticisms and controversy, which they are secretly enamored with.  They want to sell copies of their games, even if at the expense of a player base they already have in place.

And they wonder why they can't put up sales numbers like Bethesda!  Go figure.

[JerkyJohnny14]

Ziajin wrote...

Theory75 wrote...

Just got back home and first things first: had to check this thread.
I guess still no official word from BW or any kind of update on the situation ?

Course not. But I do believe they've referred to our little movement as a 'mainstream' opinion now

Well of course this is mainstream! When I shop for a car I expect the gas tank to be missing. Same thing goes for games.

[Dorfgonewild81]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Hard to keep up with this thread, so if this was already posted, sorry.  Adam Sessler of G4 talking about the ednings, dlc, same sex, etc

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721696/mass-effect-3-the-ending-dlc-and-same-sex-relationships-sesslers-soapbox/

One of the less knee-jerk critic reactions to our outporing. However, I have to wonder why so many of the "vidyagame critics" out there are pretty generally against what we're doing.

I think there is a bit of disconnect between the gamer community and journalists because of what their jobs entail.  They need to keep up good rapport with these companies in order to get exclusives, free games and merchandise, press event invites, advertising, etc.  So in a case like this, critics siding with us would be going against the company that put tons of money in their pockets (advertising) and could cause problems in the future.  

[soske aizen]

Esker02 wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Hard to keep up with this thread, so if this was already posted, sorry.  Adam Sessler of G4 talking about the ednings, dlc, same sex, etc

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721696/mass-effect-3-the-ending-dlc-and-same-sex-relationships-sesslers-soapbox/

One of the less knee-jerk critic reactions to our outporing. However, I have to wonder why so many of the "vidyagame critics" out there are pretty generally against what we're doing.

I mean, I get it. If video games are an artform, then artists have to be allowed to be artists, and popular opinion shouldn't be able to intercede on that vision. That said, RPGs are unique. They put us in the artist's chair, particularly when the RPG is specifically billed as impacting the story. I think, at a certain point (particularly when the saga spans multiple titles), the artist's vision defense became a two way street... in a certain way, the problem is that we felt like, indeed we were told, that we were crafting our story, only to have that stripped away from us at the last moment. In a sense, Sessler's argument, and the argument more generally, can be turned right back around in our favor.

I would see a very big difference, for instance, in requesting an alteration to the ending of ME3, a story driven RPG that we have been writing for three full titles now, as opposed to say, requesting an alteration to the ending of Halo 3, or Gears of War. Just my thoughts..

best way to sum it up is we just did one of thos old build your own adventure books and at the end u die no mater what u did

[laughing sherpa girl]

beserker7 wrote...

I was dissapointed that I did everything on 1 playthrough and could only get 3300 effective since Ididn't do multiplayer before and my galactic readiness was 51%.

The endings for people who didn't do multiplayer first are lame, I mean its Shepard and Anderson both die in all three with only Joker making out getting to be stranded on a planet, newly synthisized, so he can mate with EDI & Liara or something...who wrote that crap Seth Green,lol.

As long as their are ways to get endings where Shepard & Anderson live, i'm ok, but it shouldn't have been such a chore after 3 games and a full playthrough completing 99% of missions. Fans were going to play multiplayer anyway, forcing them to do it first was a bad call, as the story is want people want first. Multiplayer could have had other rewards.

Finally, I think people should give Bioware alot of credit and use your imagination a little. I reason that at this point in time after uniting all races, technology and enough prothean research remains to fast-track to re-make the relays. You still have the FTL speed ships, so you could still travel within solar systems and neighboring ones until the new relays wer built. You have to pay some price for getting rid of the cycle/reapers. I also consider the boy either The master AI, as he says who controls the reapers, etc, so I fell like that was implied and shouldn't be taken as a dream or anything. Its not perfect, but Biware dida awesome job on these 3 games concept, art, story writing, gameplay, etc, appreciate that a little more.

Bioware has already demonstrated its incompetence in managing a multi player universe with SWTOR.  Now, they make a sad attempt to force everyone into a similarly not so great Multiplayer Universe in ME3. frankly, the best thing i believe we can do, is recognize the situation and Bioware as hopeless, and go do something else. Bitter as it is, its better than trying to achieve any kind of understanding with them. They arent competent enough any more to understand anything.

[B.Shep]

beserker7 wrote...

I was dissapointed that I did everything on 1 playthrough and could only get 3300 effective since Ididn't do multiplayer before and my galactic readiness was 51%.

The endings for people who didn't do multiplayer first are lame, I mean its Shepard and Anderson both die in all three with only Joker making out getting to be stranded on a planet, newly synthisized, so he can mate with EDI & Liara or something...who wrote that crap Seth Green,lol.

As long as there are ways to get endings where Shepard & Anderson live, i'm ok, but it shouldn't have been such a chore after 3 games and a full playthrough completing 99% of missions. Fans were going to play multiplayer anyway, forcing them to do it first was a bad call, as the story is what people want first. Multiplayer could have had other rewards.

Finally, I think people should give Bioware alot of credit and use your imagination a little. I reason that at this point in time after uniting all races, technology and enough Prothean research remains to fast-track the re-make of the relays. You still have the FTL speed ships, so you could still travel within solar systems and neighboring ones until the new relays were built. You have to pay some price for getting rid of the cycle/reapers. I also consider the boy either the master AI control reaper, as he says he is the one that controls the reapers, etc, so I felt like that was implied and shouldn't be taken as a dream,god-like being,shepard mind's creation or anything. Its not perfect, but Biware did a awesome job on these 3 games concept, art, story writing, gameplay, etc, appreciate that a little more and use you imagination until the next game.

Beserker7 i guess you miss some sidequests.
It's possibile to achieve more war assets in the game without playing the co-op.

[TheJediSaint]

TSC_1 wrote...

s8383783 wrote...

Blagh i'm just upset with the whole thing!
The indoctrination theory people and their cult like ways of explaining to me that I just don't understand the endings..that they will show me the epic story-writing light that is Bioware.

I actually quite like the indoctrination theory... but only because it provides a very logical place for BW to hook DLC that provides a real ending onto ME3 without having to do any major reworking.

I personally think that the reason the indoctination theory is so appealing to many people is because it does the best job of gleening meaning from the nonsese that is ME3's final minutes.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 13 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[halloween20]

KHReborn wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

Hello my friends, any news?
Thx!

Just the Twitter team ignoring me, everytime I ask about a statement. But everything else they comment.

yep...

only comments the give sounds like: "nice that u love the game <3"
nothing more...

[DifferentD17]

cotheer wrote...



Is she that bartender on Illius?
If so, i don't remember her saying that they're building their own, but rather that it was her suggestion to do so instead of using the existing relays.

Lol that's what I said.

[Maugrim]

I heard there was some doubt over here about the legitimacy of the donations. I can personally confirm as can others.

Proof that this is legitimate from my own reciepts all I edited out was my order number and mailing address!




You can find more people backing this up here and on the page after that.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 13 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[Kyzee]

Theory75 wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

I think everyone should take a look at this video and reassess their outrage. I know I have.

Damn you, I watched the video and as soon as I heard the music I became sad and depressed...again. I hate what this game has done to me.

Hey, I'm with you on that. This game has traumatized me. But the point was that there's reason for hope, and it makes sense. It's not simply wishful thinking. I think that Bioware may have just done something brilliant, painful as it was. I'm sure I'm going to be attacked for this, but really, folks, I'm trying to be nice and supportive to everyone. H***, the Indoctrination Theory is popular! This viedo just cements it, IMHO.

And so, I'm off to choose the "Destroy" option! 

[The_Canadian_Dragon]

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorous yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

Modifié par The_Canadian_Dragon, 13 mars 2012 - 08:35 .