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[spacefiddle]

RottenBerries wrote...

The mass relays themselves are irrelevant in terms of the continuation of the galaxy. There will be suffering, yes, but it takes less than 30 years to cross the galaxy using traditional FTL, so it's not the end of the worlds.

Look up the plot of Hyperion / Fall of Hyperion / Endymion / Rise of Endimion by Dan Simmons.

[ziyon conqueror]

Seriously, they should make a better and/or happier ending for ME3. There's always a better way. Granted, having the mass relays around still limits certain technological development but they should stay until the galaxy develops hyperdrive or warp drive. Happily ever after is my preferred option after so much darkness and hardship throughout the series. Shepard deserves it.I mean, no parties, celebrations or fireworks. That's just plain wrong.

[WarBaby2]

halloween20 wrote...
yep...

only comments the give sounds like: "nice that u love the game <3"
nothing more...

Ah... ignorance is bliss... we'll see how long they can hold this up when game scores and prices are dropping further.

[ajunta_]

JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

Ziajin wrote...

Theory75 wrote...

Just got back home and first things first: had to check this thread.
I guess still no official word from BW or any kind of update on the situation ?

Course not. But I do believe they've referred to our little movement as a 'mainstream' opinion now

Well of course this is mainstream! When I shop for a car I expect the gas tank to be missing. Same thing goes for games.

I only wonder why they won't give some kind of statement to "mainstream" people, them (I mean, us) being a majority by definition. What a hipster thing to do.

[Matt_gekko88]

@ makenzieshepard: Thank you very much. In addition to that I'd like to repeat my post:



Lets do some Space-Magic for the kids!

Modifié par Matt_gekko88, 13 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[JerkyJohnny14]

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorour yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

So true.

[spacefiddle]

B.Shep wrote...

beserker7 wrote...

I was dissapointed that I did everything on 1 playthrough and could only get 3300 effective since Ididn't do multiplayer before and my galactic readiness was 51%.
 

B.Shep: you misread.  He had 3300 *effective* at 51% readiness.  That means he achieved well over 6000 war assets rating.  Not only did he not miss any sidequests, I think he may have created some

Modifié par spacefiddle, 13 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[GroverA125]

Rappeldrache wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Tracy-Shepard wrote...

I feel betrayed... I want a new ending too...

Most of us feel that way, I feel I can't trust Bioware anymore. They have completely succumb to the rEApers.

Here the same .....

To be honest: Even if the release a DLC with "more & better endings". I think I wil not buy as quickly a Bioware-Game again .... before they release it.

That's the thing. Bioware are at the crossroads now. They forced themselves into it, and now they have to choose how they're going to finish this. They can attempt to resolve the matter, try to fix their relations with the fanbase, salvage all the people they can, and of course accept that they bit a little too much off than they could chew. The other path is to try to shake off their decisions, avoid the subject for the coming years and try to cover the tarnish that they've left themselves with, giving us "shiny things" to distract us along the way.

No matter how long they wait, this won't go away. The longer they wait, the more of their people lose their faith. If they keep the silence and prove themselves untrustable, then it this is surely Bioware's final breath before they are finished utterly. GAME is going down, because they believed that they didn't need to adapt to the newer. cheaper means of acquiring games, and they paid for it. The gaming world is changing, and it has been for years now, slowly but distinctly. A company who fails to address the demands and wishes of it's only source of income, the consumers, will surely fall in the oncoming years.

While I am upset that Bioware have done this to us, I'm also upset because things are looking grim, and if they keep pushing the limits of acceptable, then they will die out, and all of their efforts will sum down to them being referred to as the Lancias of the gaming industry: remembered only for the shortcomings, and forgotten in the history books. I want Bioware to understand that in the end, they'll get bitten back for biting us, and then we'll all have to watch as they sink and say "I spent my Childhood/College/University years playing their games, and then they died..." while listening to all the hate they are recieving. It's like watching the third episode of Star Wars, watching Anakin Skywalker slowly turn to the dark side and doom everything he lived for...

[zergi]

imagine that part where shepard blacked out he was dreaming (the ending we saw) lol and a future dlc would pick it up lol

[TSC_1]

Hm. Interesting.

[Nilofeliu]

SkaldFish wrote...

N7 Theo wrote...

BioWare tweeted to somebody that claimed the liked and understood the ending. They said they should treat understanding the ending like a badge of honor, and that they basically avoided the mainstream concerns.

BioWare, we all understand that the endings were poorly written/executed. I will wear this as a badge of honor, but this obviously does not avoid mainstream concerns.

If they understand the ending, I'd sure like to hear their explanation. But it would have to be free of material they insert themselves to fill in the gaps and rationalize away the inconsistencies. What I've seen elsewhere from those who try to "help" us by patiently "explaining" the ending (we's jest kinda slow an' don't rilly thank suh gud, yuh know...) amounts to building a coherent story by assembling what we get from the game into a larger framework of their own design, erasing all the inconvenient pieces that contradict their new infrastructure.

Badge of honor? Does it say something about being an official sycophant on it? The truth is that the ending can't be understood because it doesn't make any sense.

I will have to object to your post. Understading the endings may be possible. It only depends on how high or how drunk (maybe a bit of both) you are...

It may even be painless to play again in that state...

Still holding the line...

Modifié par Nilofeliu, 13 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

One thing to remember is most people haven't finished the game (those in college/have jobs that require large amounts of extra (non-work day) time). It will probably take 2-3 weeks before most people are in the same boat

[Katsumi Liqueur]

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorour yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

Soooo acurate!

[cotheer]

DifferentD17 wrote...

cotheer wrote...



Is she that bartender on Illius?
If so, i don't remember her saying that they're building their own, but rather that it was her suggestion to do so instead of using the existing relays.

Lol that's what I said.

Sorry, missed bunch of posts while watching Alcatraz.
I find it weird that i remember that conversation 

[beserker7]

B.Shep wrote...

beserker7 wrote...

I was dissapointed that I did everything on 1 playthrough and could only get 3300 effective since Ididn't do multiplayer before and my galactic readiness was 51%.

The endings for people who didn't do multiplayer first are lame, I mean its Shepard and Anderson both die in all three with only Joker making out getting to be stranded on a planet, newly synthisized, so he can mate with EDI & Liara or something...who wrote that crap Seth Green,lol.

As long as there are ways to get endings where Shepard & Anderson live, i'm ok, but it shouldn't have been such a chore after 3 games and a full playthrough completing 99% of missions. Fans were going to play multiplayer anyway, forcing them to do it first was a bad call, as the story is what people want first. Multiplayer could have had other rewards.

Finally, I think people should give Bioware alot of credit and use your imagination a little. I reason that at this point in time after uniting all races, technology and enough Prothean research remains to fast-track the re-make of the relays. You still have the FTL speed ships, so you could still travel within solar systems and neighboring ones until the new relays were built. You have to pay some price for getting rid of the cycle/reapers. I also consider the boy either the master AI control reaper, as he says he is the one that controls the reapers, etc, so I felt like that was implied and shouldn't be taken as a dream,god-like being,shepard mind's creation or anything. Its not perfect, but Biware did a awesome job on these 3 games concept, art, story writing, gameplay, etc, appreciate that a little more and use you imagination until the next game.

Beserker7 i guess you miss some sidequests.
It's possibile to achieve more war assets in the game without playing the co-op.

No I had 6600 plus but because my galactic readiness was at 51% because of not doing multiplayer, my effective was at 3300+. I did everything but 1 citadel quest. Endins are based on effective rating which is total divided by galactic readiness.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Esker02 wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Hard to keep up with this thread, so if this was already posted, sorry.  Adam Sessler of G4 talking about the ednings, dlc, same sex, etc

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721696/mass-effect-3-the-ending-dlc-and-same-sex-relationships-sesslers-soapbox/

One of the less knee-jerk critic reactions to our outporing. However, I have to wonder why so many of the "vidyagame critics" out there are pretty generally against what we're doing.

I mean, I get it. If video games are an artform, then artists have to be allowed to be artists, and popular opinion shouldn't be able to intercede on that vision. That said, RPGs are unique. They put us in the artist's chair, particularly when the RPG is specifically billed as impacting the story. I think, at a certain point (particularly when the saga spans multiple titles), the artist's vision defense became a two way street... in a certain way, the problem is that we felt like, indeed we were told, that we were crafting our story, only to have that stripped away from us at the last moment. In a sense, Sessler's argument, and the argument more generally, can be turned right back around in our favor.

I would see a very big difference, for instance, in requesting an alteration to the ending of ME3, a story driven RPG that we have been writing for three full titles now, as opposed to say, requesting an alteration to the ending of Halo 3, or Gears of War. Just my thoughts..

There's more to it than that, in the case of ME3. I don't think you can lump these things by genre - it's something that's more a part of how humans behave and the way our expectations work. We were told that our choices mattered and that we would see them all come together in the end. This was a lie. We don't like being deceived. We were told the writers had a plan - they did, and for whatever reason it was abandoned and we were left with fantasy schlock out of place in the ME setting.

This is very much like the ending to Lost - where people were told over and over again that "everything matters" and "we have a plan" when the writers, in fact, did not have a plan and not everything mattered. When a fantasy ending came up, it was so completely unexpected as to ****** people off. The same thing is true of Battlestar Galactica and that show's ending.

The primary difference between those pieces of art and this one is that we, the player, are both a part of the artwork and artists with the tools (the game) that we're given. We craft this art in conjunction with the true creators of it. The audience is as much a part of the work and a creator of the work, in this case, as any other element.

Trying to say that we, the fans, the audience, the players, should not be upset over the way the "real artists" tried to end this game is like telling someone they shouldn't be upset over the way photoshop improperly applied a filter to their image. Just like photoshop, which has a number of art elements (in the user interface), it is a tool for creating art. In the case of mass effect, much of the complexity associated with the art (the crafting of the game) has been abstracted for the end user, and the goal is the creation of your own (not necessarily unique, but your own) story that you can claim as yours. When the people responsible for abstracting this complexity have failed, it is well within our rights as co-creators AND audience to demand a fix.

[JerkyJohnny14]

WarBaby2 wrote...

halloween20 wrote...
yep...

only comments the give sounds like: "nice that u love the game <3"
nothing more...

Ah... ignorance is bliss... we'll see how long they can hold this up when game scores and prices are dropping further.

Someone ought to post: "Bioware loved the game it was perfect in every way. Its just so magnificient. Now that I have your attention tell me whats up with the end. Will you fix it please?"

[TSC_1]

Also interesting.

[DifferentD17]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I heard there was some doubt over here about the legitimacy of the donations. I can personally confirm as can others.

Proof that this is legitimate from my own reciepts all I edited out was my order number and mailing address!




You can find more people backing this up here and on the page after that.

You should be proud.

Your email is showing though... Just saying.

[Lord Jaric]

I don’t think I have ever been so vocal over a work of fiction before. I thought that the whole series was great with only some minor problems here and there. But to end the series the way they did was so well beyond my tolerance level for a work of fiction, which is pretty damn high mind you. That I exactly feel like I have to speak out about it.

Hell I even liked the kid and the dream sequences. The last one made me think it was starting to represent the future of humanity or something like that.

I can only see myself replaying the games for the different journeys even though I know the destination sucks

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 13 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[Elanor]

TSC_1 wrote...

Hm. Interesting.

Facepalm. They even don't want to  admit that we are disappointed. Pathetic.

[JerkyJohnny14]

TSC_1 wrote...

Hm. Interesting.

No they never said we were ragers, just "mainstream". Clearly they are immune to name calling claims.<_<

[beserker7]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

beserker7 wrote...

I was dissapointed that I did everything on 1 playthrough and could only get 3300 effective since Ididn't do multiplayer before and my galactic readiness was 51%.

The endings for people who didn't do multiplayer first are lame, I mean its Shepard and Anderson both die in all three with only Joker making out getting to be stranded on a planet, newly synthisized, so he can mate with EDI & Liara or something...who wrote that crap Seth Green,lol.

As long as their are ways to get endings where Shepard & Anderson live, i'm ok, but it shouldn't have been such a chore after 3 games and a full playthrough completing 99% of missions. Fans were going to play multiplayer anyway, forcing them to do it first was a bad call, as the story is want people want first. Multiplayer could have had other rewards.

Finally, I think people should give Bioware alot of credit and use your imagination a little. I reason that at this point in time after uniting all races, technology and enough prothean research remains to fast-track to re-make the relays. You still have the FTL speed ships, so you could still travel within solar systems and neighboring ones until the new relays wer built. You have to pay some price for getting rid of the cycle/reapers. I also consider the boy either The master AI, as he says who controls the reapers, etc, so I fell like that was implied and shouldn't be taken as a dream or anything. Its not perfect, but Biware dida awesome job on these 3 games concept, art, story writing, gameplay, etc, appreciate that a little more.

Bioware has already demonstrated its incompetence in managing a multi player universe with SWTOR.  Now, they make a sad attempt to force everyone into a similarly not so great Multiplayer Universe in ME3. frankly, the best thing i believe we can do, is recognize the situation and Bioware as hopeless, and go do something else. Bitter as it is, its better than trying to achieve any kind of understanding with them. They arent competent enough any more to understand anything.

Thats a little harsh. At worst, It means I do  a second playthough with a readiness of 95% or better see the ending I want, then take a break. In the end it likely means 1 less playthrough down the reod, but I think they do understand their fans quite well, if you'd been on some other game forums, you'd see how some developers never listen to customers, I feel like Bioware makes the effort better than most developers to listen to customers been with them since Jade Empire, they have a good track record.

Maybe a DLC that shows the aftermath of the final battle and the rebuilding of galaxy relays/commerce societies and explores the ending a little more would be a good idea?

Modifié par beserker7, 13 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[WarBaby2]

Lord Jaric wrote...
I don’t think I have ever been so vocal over a work of fiction before.

Me neither... but taking a stance once in while feels good, doesn't it?^^

[Nilofeliu]

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorour yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

Soooo acurate!

Still laughing... At last after so long.. Good job people...