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[SkaldFish]

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Hard to keep up with this thread, so if this was already posted, sorry.  Adam Sessler of G4 talking about the ednings, dlc, same sex, etc

www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/721696/mass-effect-3-the-ending-dlc-and-same-sex-relationships-sesslers-soapbox/

One of the less knee-jerk critic reactions to our outporing. However, I have to wonder why so many of the "vidyagame critics" out there are pretty generally against what we're doing.

I think there is a bit of disconnect between the gamer community and journalists because of what their jobs entail.  They need to keep up good rapport with these companies in order to get exclusives, free games and merchandise, press event invites, advertising, etc.  So in a case like this, critics siding with us would be going against the company that put tons of money in their pockets (advertising) and could cause problems in the future.  

IOW, they can't really be critics.

[rethas]

They are being very criptic on the Twitter.

Read the reply to Allison Norfolk.

I can't link it as this laptop is a toaster and will die, I am sure someone can folllow this up with a link.

If they have something big planned why would you let your fanbase fester, just seems odd.

Amazing marketing and hype building in some senses, but really a vert dangerous double edged sword.

[thedistortedchild]

VerdantSF wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

I was reading through the replies here:

http://penny-arcade....the-series-mass

I had to screencap this reply. Humorour yet accurate of the confusion the endings leave us with.

Soooo acurate!

Still laughing... At last after so long.. Good job people...

This... so much THIS.  How could this get past the creative team?!  How were there not enough dissenting voices in various meetings to stop this from becoming the actual ending?

This is awesome!  Definately feel the same way.

[Alamandorious]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

I'm just going to repost a bit because I don't want it to get lost, I think it's important.

I had a feeling, when playing the demo, that the kid wasn't real from the beginning. The way he was introduced (when Anderson wasn't around/looking) and his ability to soundlessly disappear from the vent, in addition to the way he said "you can't save me" all led me, when I played the demo, to conclude the kid was some kind of hallucination. I put that feeling aside and ignored it when I played the game proper but now it's coming back to me.. I don't think the child was ever real. ESPECIALLY because he's the only child we ever see in the series (barring Rachnai exploding babies).

Or it could just be they weren't ready to include children in a mass genocide scenario beyond the plot piece.  Very touchy subject; I'd be squeemish about it, too.

[ArmyKnifeX]

TSC_1 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

More and more interesting.

That is interesting, do you think they will comment officially soon?

Sure would be nice.

I'd also like to reiterate what others here are saying: be nice to BW. They aren't the enemy. There is no enemy, here. We just want to work with BW to come to a mutually satisfactoy outcome. Let's not attack them. Let's make it clear that, while we have complaints, we aren't hostile towards them.

I'd... I'd just like to say that I read your post, because of your picture, in Anderson's voice. It worked so well.

[rexil]

Nilofeliu wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...
I don’t think I have ever been so vocal over a work of fiction before.

Me neither... but taking a stance once in while feels good, doesn't it?^^

I´ve done that once before with Star Wars Galaxies and the NGE. We all know how that ended, and honestly, I don't see much difference from what is going on here. I will not give up nor silence myself, but I do not hope for anything at all right now.

Actually, I do hope for one thing. I wish there were a group of programers that could in fact mod the game, so we could not only have our endings, but as many "side quests" as we want in the Mass Effect universe. If by any chance Bioware gave us a modding tool such as the one from DA:O, I would be happy enough...

They can't dot that, they don't own ME engine, Epic Games does.

[unclee]

TSC_1 wrote...

More and more interesting.

The first link kinda goes against what we're trying to accomplish here though, by saying people are "demanding" a new ending. As far as I know, this isn't about demanding anything. It's a group of concerned gamers who love the ME franchise, but we're not demanding anything. That's the kind of talk that gets us demonized in the gaming media.

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

TSC_1 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

More and more interesting.

That is interesting, do you think they will comment officially soon?

Sure would be nice.

I'd also like to reiterate what others here are saying: be nice to BW. They aren't the enemy. There is no enemy, here. We just want to work with BW to come to a mutually satisfactoy outcome. Let's not attack them. Let's make it clear that, while we have complaints, we aren't hostile towards them.

^THIS. Everyone, this. Please treat BW with respect and civility. We are just proving those articles right if we don't.

[Tyion133]

Alamandorious wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

I'm just going to repost a bit because I don't want it to get lost, I think it's important.

I had a feeling, when playing the demo, that the kid wasn't real from the beginning. The way he was introduced (when Anderson wasn't around/looking) and his ability to soundlessly disappear from the vent, in addition to the way he said "you can't save me" all led me, when I played the demo, to conclude the kid was some kind of hallucination. I put that feeling aside and ignored it when I played the game proper but now it's coming back to me.. I don't think the child was ever real. ESPECIALLY because he's the only child we ever see in the series (barring Rachnai exploding babies).

Or it could just be they weren't ready to include children in a mass genocide scenario beyond the plot piece.  Very touchy subject; I'd be squeemish about it, too.

Well... If we take The Arrival DLC into the equation then Shepard could have been indoctrinated when he/she lost consciousness while fighting next to the Reaper Artifact.

[lordnyx1]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

I'm just going to repost a bit because I don't want it to get lost, I think it's important.

I had a feeling, when playing the demo, that the kid wasn't real from the beginning. The way he was introduced (when Anderson wasn't around/looking) and his ability to soundlessly disappear from the vent, in addition to the way he said "you can't save me" all led me, when I played the demo, to conclude the kid was some kind of hallucination. I put that feeling aside and ignored it when I played the game proper but now it's coming back to me.. I don't think the child was ever real. ESPECIALLY because he's the only child we ever see in the series (barring Rachnai exploding babies).

I'd suggest checking the little sign next to the vent the next time you go through there before going through the door, it may mean nothing or it may mean everything.

[Larask]

I am pretty sure this has been posted already, but it hard to review all the pages I have missed so here it goes. Another Forbes article defending us and responding to what Colin (IGN) said:

http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

[Alamandorious]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

More and more interesting.

That is interesting, do you think they will comment officially soon?

Sure would be nice.

I'd also like to reiterate what others here are saying: be nice to BW. They aren't the enemy. There is no enemy, here. We just want to work with BW to come to a mutually satisfactoy outcome. Let's not attack them. Let's make it clear that, while we have complaints, we aren't hostile towards them.

I'd... I'd just like to say that I read your post, because of your picture, in Anderson's voice. It worked so well.

I can't access the link within the twitter page, the one shown in the first one...the where it's 'can you make bioware aware of this'

[KroganBillie]

*Miss post*

Modifié par KroganBillie, 13 mars 2012 - 08:53 .

[ArmyKnifeX]

lordnyx1 wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

I'm just going to repost a bit because I don't want it to get lost, I think it's important.

I had a feeling, when playing the demo, that the kid wasn't real from the beginning. The way he was introduced (when Anderson wasn't around/looking) and his ability to soundlessly disappear from the vent, in addition to the way he said "you can't save me" all led me, when I played the demo, to conclude the kid was some kind of hallucination. I put that feeling aside and ignored it when I played the game proper but now it's coming back to me.. I don't think the child was ever real. ESPECIALLY because he's the only child we ever see in the series (barring Rachnai exploding babies).

I'd suggest checking the little sign next to the vent the next time you go through there before going through the door, it may mean nothing or it may mean everything.

Considering I'm playing through ME1 and 2 again, it'll probably be another 40 or so hours before I get there. What does the sign say?

[Polat995]

If we weren't respectful, this topic would be locked...

[vboy23]

*bump for anyone who missed these before I head out and be stuck with my phone to check on this. I would put in the twitter comments when I have a chance later, although its gonna be though figuring out how to sort that one. HOLD THE LINE EVERYONE*

Pardon the wall of text, but here is my attempt to collate all the news that talks about what is currently happening. I've been trying to read all the posts/links/news that has been shown on the thread and I think this will help newcomers catch up on what is happening. I want this to be an impartial list of all the links (both supporters and debunkers), so if anyone finds any more news please pm me and I will gladly edit/update the list as it grows. I do not take credit for all the links, they have all been from other fans posting their finds/ making the fb page/images/threads/polls/charity.

Most of all, we do not and should not condone any attacks on EA or Bioware. I am politely voicing my opinion that the ending is lacking compared to what has been promised, full of plotholes and inconsistency. I do not ask for a "Happy Ending", just an ending that makes sense and provides closure.


***SPOILERS***  You have been warned





About the argument "If you read a book/see a movie and don't like how it ends, do you demand that the author rewrites it?"

As mentioned earlier, "Comparing INTERACTIVE GAMES to books/movies which are practically set in stone?"
also, look up Mass Effect Deception.



About DLC adding a different ending:

Bethesda released Broken Steel DLC which picks up after the main character "dies" at the end of the main storyline.
http://en.wikipedia....ns#Broken_Steel



About rewriting a story:

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle "resurrects" Sherlock Holmes due to public outcry.
http://en.wikipedia....hur_Conan_Doyle



Articles that mentioned issues that were proposed/promised/changed:

http://www.strategyi...uests-neglected

http://www.ign.com/b...ilers.250066288

These two youtube uploads are extended clips of the dialouge between Shepard and Anderson before meeting the Catalyst:
FemShep:

MaleShep:



*I took out the category lists because I dont feel I have the right to classify each article, that is for you to decide*


http://www.ign.com/v...3-opinion-video

penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/why-the-ending-of-mass-effect-3-was-satifying-and-worthy-of-the-series-mass

http://www.xbox360ac..._medium=twitter

http://arstechnica.c...ory-control.ars

http://www.manaobscu...ect-3s-mistake/

http://manatank.com/...y-spoiler-free/

http://www.play-mag....-ending-sucked/

http://www.forbes.co...er-entitlement/

http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/

http://kotaku.com/58...as-so-terrible/

http://www.gamerevol...change-it-11639

www.dealspwn.com/mass-effect-3-review-reaping-sow-96051

http://www.escapistm...t-3-The-Process

http://robotgeek.co....ect-3-backlash/

http://www.forbes.co...ood-business/2/

http://www.gamefront...s-to-gain-steam

http://www.g4tv.com/...sslers-soapbox/





Retake ME 3:

http://www.vg247.com...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.forbes.co...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.g4tv.com/...ffect-3-ending/

http://www.ingame.ms...r-ending-411424

http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/



Report In People!!:
http://social.biowar...index/9762840/1


Petition:

http://www.change.or...tes-of-the-game



Survey / Umfrage / Enquête:
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Topics / Themen / Sujets:
ENG http://social.biowar...5/index/9512916
GER http://social.biowar...1/index/9688547
FRA http://social.biowar...9/index/9747320
POL http://social.biowar...7/index/9695107

Group / Gruppe / Groupe:
http://social.bioware.com/group/7058/

Support Signatur: (put this between [ IMG ] [ /IMG ] without free space)
EU http://i748.photobuc...5/eurofleet.jpg
UK http://i748.photobuc...ect/ukfleet.jpg
GER http://img405.images...ermanfleet1.jpg
USA http://i748.photobuc...icanfleet-1.jpg
RUS http://i748.photobuc...ussianfleet.jpg
CAN http://img.photobuck...nadianfleet.jpg

Retake Mass Effect Childs Play charity Drive:
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play



HOLD THE LINE!!!

Modifié par vboy23, 13 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

I honestly believe we should entrust someone to twitter the mass effect people and apologize for any harsh or immature treatment on our end. This is a frustrating time, but we need to be courteous to the people responsible for bringing us such an amazing game in the first place.

[halloween20]

Feraiin wrote...

JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

halloween20 wrote...
yep...

only comments the give sounds like: "nice that u love the game <3"
nothing more...

Ah... ignorance is bliss... we'll see how long they can hold this up when game scores and prices are dropping further.

Someone ought to post: "Bioware loved the game it was perfect in every way. Its just so magnificient. Now that I have your attention tell me whats up with the end. Will you fix it please?"

That's exactly what I tweeted at Casey Hudson. No reply, but then again, I'm in Europe and he's in Canada and I only wrote that today.

they do what each "big concerns" do. and... they often proved to be true...
"don't say a word on anything while the '**** storm" is still ongoing. Just wait. be patient and the customers forget anything they had complained about... they will buy soon enough our new stuff as if nothing had happened"

[vrumpt]

Thats the second tweet i've seen about thanking somebody for having faith in Bioware still. Maybe they actually do have something up their sleeve, or maybe its just them asking for forgiveness now, for future games they'll release.

[krashofny90]

I definitely felt that they shouldn't have made the ending based on a SINGLE choice but play out by what you have accomplished throughout all 3 games, therefore emphasizing that YOUR decisions made a difference. That is what we BELIEVED Bioware was capable of, excuse me, we KNEW Bioware is capable of accomplishing just that. However, this *call it what you will* ending has drained any and all will from replaying this series at all, it hurts.

[Tyranniac]

 Just wanted to take a moment to say how proud I am to call myself a part of this community right now (Wow... didn't think I'd ever say that...), the amount of support, unity, generosity, intelligence and dedication here is very inspiring, and just about the only think cheering me up after the ending. I have my doubts that this will work out, but I keep hoping.

A few reminders:
1. Stay friendly and civil. We don't want to be percieved the wrong way!
2. Try to avoid conspiracy theories here, it's not what we are about and could harm what we are trying to accomplish!
3. Remember, we want the ending fixed because we love Mass Effect, and we trusted BioWare. Don't judge them before they've made a statement.
4. Keep up the good work!

Hold the line!

[vboy23]

Tyranniac wrote...

 Just wanted to take a moment to say how proud I am to call myself a part of this community right now (Wow... didn't think I'd ever say that...), the amount of support, unity, generosity, intelligence and dedication here is very inspiring, and just about the only think cheering me up after the ending. I have my doubts that this will work out, but I keep hoping.

A few reminders:
1. Stay friendly and civil. We don't want to be percieved the wrong way!
2. Try to avoid conspiracy theories here, it's not what we are about and could harm what we are trying to accomplish!
3. Remember, we want the ending fixed because we love Mass Effect, and we trusted BioWare. Don't judge them before they've made a statement.
4. Keep up the good work!

Hold the line!

+1 This. Definitely.

[thedistortedchild]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

lordnyx1 wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

I'm just going to repost a bit because I don't want it to get lost, I think it's important.

I had a feeling, when playing the demo, that the kid wasn't real from the beginning. The way he was introduced (when Anderson wasn't around/looking) and his ability to soundlessly disappear from the vent, in addition to the way he said "you can't save me" all led me, when I played the demo, to conclude the kid was some kind of hallucination. I put that feeling aside and ignored it when I played the game proper but now it's coming back to me.. I don't think the child was ever real. ESPECIALLY because he's the only child we ever see in the series (barring Rachnai exploding babies).

I'd suggest checking the little sign next to the vent the next time you go through there before going through the door, it may mean nothing or it may mean everything.

Considering I'm playing through ME1 and 2 again, it'll probably be another 40 or so hours before I get there. What does the sign say?

I'm curious as well, and I probably won't be playing again. What does it say?

[Avilan II]

 ...And another article.

www.webpronews.com/mass-effect-3-ending-frustration-spawns-social-media-campaign-2012-03

[Eumerin]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...
I don't think that's true. Just remember that the "Slippery Slope" argument is a logical fallacy.

Er...  what?

Given that it's not hard to find slippery slopes in the real world (usually after the fact...), I think you need to elaborate.